Tuesday, May 2, 2017

On a Personal Note


Indulge me a bit in sharing how one can go from being a minister in WCG, or any church for that matter, to an informed skeptic and I suppose now atheist which simply means, to me, one who does not emotionally or intellectually need a Deity to explain the world and my own part in it.   It means I do not feel compelled to live in either the Bronze or Iron Age in my thinking and beliefs.
Years ago I took a personality profile test found it so accurate, down to the kinds of gestures I use and why, that I suggest to Joe Tkach that all ministers and leader types take one. This, from my naive perspective, might just prevent sending the same, ill placed and probably not really called to serve anyone but themselves type ministers from going on and on and hurting one congregation after another. WCG had this very bad habit of transferring it's problem ministers rather than confronting them. They said no to testing. Now I know why. People hate the insecurity that comes from knowing they aren't as special as they think they are. I'd challenge any leader of a WCG split, splinter or sliver to take one.  They won't ever....ever.
Being out of the loop, it took me years to figure this out. It took me years to admit that what I was seeing in WCG was happening as my ENFP personality, which is Extroverted, Intuitive, Feeling and Perceptive, also is founded upon the idea that people like me are negotiators, ministers, counselors and even massage therapists,  simply hates conflict. Or as my son said so aptly said once, "dad, you'd take a stabbing lying down." That hurt, not the stabbing, but the fact he was right. It's my loathing of conflict I have found that some, like Dave Pack, leader of the Restored Church of God, and others, who are what I would consider abusive, personality driven and more narcissist than shepherds, actually thrive on. Or as Stanley Rader, personal counsel to Herbert Armstrong once said, "I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right." True narcissism. And so I dismissed in my mind what my heart was telling me was so and went about the business of pastoring people in concepts I still had faith in, even if I could see that the higher up one went in the business of religion, the more your brains turned to shit and you forgot where you put your spirit.
But even more than that, even more than losing faith in a particular church, I knew I was losing faith in faith. I had seen too much that was real and did not match the great promises of the Bible. For all the conflict over healing and doctor care, make-up, and all that I generally labeled as "majoring in the minors," I never asked anyone to do or not do what I would or would not do myself. My conscience is clean when it comes to being an enforcer of stupid things in years gone by. I found that "ask and you shall not have, do not ask and all things are possible", worked just fine in most cases and the years have proven my gut feelings correct in thinking that "someday, none of these things will be issues."
Back to the original thought. I have always been a seeker and open to new things even as a minister. Actually my internal definition of a minister seemed to contain the "keep looking" clause, but that was rare among my peers who felt they had found once and for all, as I did too, but now don't. I think my working mostly alone, apart from the big cities and multiple ministers in one place, probably saved me from scrutiny. The few times I did work with other ministers it was ongoing drama and egomania. I found it entertaining but stupid as well and it took me years to see it was more widespread than I imagined. So even as a minister in a "One True Church," I could see the Bible itself had problems that my Church and all Churches simply do not want to address.  There are many issues, Biblical and secular churches and pastors don't want to address.
Even as a kid in Sunday School, the stories in the Bible generated many questions about how such things could be in reality. Did Joshua really stop the earth from rotating so the Israelites could kill more Amelakites? Answer: NO. Not only is it bad science, but it's a just plain stupid reason to stop the rotation of the earth! Also, no one else on the planet noticed, which made me suspect.
Did 600,000 men, plus women, children and hangers on really trek around the Sinai in a group for 40 years leaving no signs of it? NO, they did not, at least not that many or for that long. I once read a study on how long it would take those in the back of a group that large to get moving once the front of the group started to move. It was weeks! It's mythology adopted to give a small insignificant people, who now get way too much attention, a history. How many times have we almost found Noah's Ark? Always a great story in the news that just goes away. It never happened, at least not in anyway the Bible describes.
Homo Erectus 1.8 Million Years

Over time, I came to see that evolution of all life, including man, is generally true, details to unfold as time goes on. The defensive arguments of the Creationists are lame. Not to them, because they need to believe it, but to me, because I don't. I'm not afraid not to believe the unbelievable. I'd rather be ahead of my times than behind. The 4.5 billion year old meteorites, the 2.5 billion year old banded iron and the 1.8 million year old early human tools in my room inform me more than the Bible and Genesis.
I have had my DNA taken back 100,000 years to Africa (I'm Dutch) and tracing the personal journey my cells, blood and spit have taken to get "me" to America. Fascinating how my saliva proves that in the distant past, "I" traveled through Yemen, Iran, Iraq, the Russian Steppes and left into Europe as Cro-Magnon, routing the Neanderthal who were already there, but lacked the imagination I had to rid the place of them in 18,000 years or so. I love that explanation and journey far more than I do those of the Bible, because it is true.
When I was a pastor and WCG was changing over from Holydays to Holidays, every doubt about the Biblical story of Jesus birth circumstances and the actual narratives came out. I felt that if they could flip over to something so theologically lame as Christmas, I could finally examine my doubts about the whole story. Needless to say, the birth narratives, over which the Church said I studied too much, are not coherent, do not agree, are two different stories, are not known by Mark, John or Paul and find their origins in pagan mythology. All Paul knew of the physical Jesus, who he never met or quoted, was that he was "born of a woman of the tribe of Judah." Nothing special there. Long story.

From there, I discovered that the story of the dying Sons of God in history, such as Osiris, Mithras and Jesus, were retelling of the larger story of the journey the real SUN of God takes around the 12 constellations of the Zodiac every year. It is no coincidence that the SON of God and the SUN are crucified in the Spring on and around the Spring Equinox or that Jesus was the Lamb of God as was the SUN in Aries, the Lamb when it was "crucified". For Jesus to be "with you until the end of the age," means more the age of Aries which ended 2000 years ago with Jesus death and not the end of the world as fundamentalist Christians insist. 
It explained all those 12 tribes, 12 sons, 12 disciples, 12 Apostles etc, that surrounded the "SON" on his one year ministry, according to Matthew, Mark and Luke, but three years according to John. It's no coincidence that in Revelation, God is surrounded by 24 elders, which are the hours in the day. To me this makes perfect sense and the fact that Matthew's Gospel accounts of Jesus ministry through the twelve months of his short ministry, exactly match the story of the SUN through the twelve signs of the Zodiac. Stories in the Bible that make no sense literally on earth, (like the Magi seeing Jesus star in the East and following it West to his house) often make perfect sense when you understand them as astro-theology. The story of the dying Son/Sun of God takes place every year over our heads. Light is the great revealer, but light also hides. You won't hear that story in church! Nuther long story. I suppose years ago I did wonder why in Malachi, the "Messiah" or Jesus as Christians said it pointed to, was said to be "the Sun that arose with healing in his wings." If you know of the Egyptian sun symbol with wings, you'll see how old a concept that was.
So while I find the story of the Bible in the heavens, as below...so above etc, I don't fear the literalism of the Bible anymore, nor would I teach it. This is, in part, why I feel strongly about those that are manipulated by ignorant and pushy pastor types, into supporting something literally that is not literally to be supported. Ideas have consequences and we see that every day with religion gone amuck. Spirituality, as I have always noted, comes from within and doesn't need your money nor for you to show up Wednesday evenings, Saturday or Sunday.
Now to some, the reason I can go on this journey of discovery and enlightenment, while painful at times, is because I was never converted to the truth of past affiliations. I think I was. I was a true believer for a long time. But when I saw how quickly those in "high" places could change and demand change, everything I ever doubted bubbled up and here I am. 
I have both a deep resentment for those that have hurt so many and a gratefulness that I was able to get out and not have the drama of all that followed. The local church I last pastored was already using me as a punching bag in place of those they really resented enough. Remember, I don't like conflict, much less being the imagined target and cause of their anger. I learned to tell people I was never one of them, but one of "you" working for "them." I grew up Presbyterian and well outside a lifelong WCG mentality. I did manage to remind Joe Tkach that he was reinventing the wheel and that what he found so so new in Jesus, was so so old a story to the vast majority of those who came to WCG in the first place. For that I was told later that "HQ thinks you know a lot about Jesus, Dennis...but they don't think you KNOW Jesus." Uh oh.... :) Actually I think I know about Jesus more than they can possibly imagine... at least the Jesus of the Bible. It seems real contemporaries of Jesus know little or nothing of a Jesus who was known everywhere according to the Bible.
And so I have lost faith in just having faith. I like the facts more than I like faith. I understand faith and I agree that sometimes there is nothing to have but faith until facts come forward. But I do not substitute faith for facts. Eventually faith falls to facts.  
 Even a good Buddhist will say that sometimes there is nothing left in life to do but have a good laugh. A good laugh and "faith" sometimes are the same thing. When I had my kids immunized in 1974 when it was not fashionable theologically in WCG, I did so because facts over rode my faith factors. When Herbert Armstrong said in a Bible study that dinosaurs probably couldn't reproduce because they were created by Satan who couldn't either, I went with the cover of National Geographic  I saw on his coffee table in his office that displayed dino eggs. That happened a lot over the years when I listened to one minister or another on various topics they really knew little about. Mixing religion with science is lame.
 I"m still an extrovert, intuitive, feeling and perceptive. I still do "counseling" and I still hate conflict and confrontation. I don't, however, believer I will take a stabbing lying down again.  

Transitions are messy and in looking back, mine certainly was.  As Frank sang, "Mistakes I've made a few. But then again, please don't make me mention them..." or something like that .  Older, wiser and more settled is the end result.  Moving to Oregon was the best thing I have ever done and only the second place I choose to move to in my live rather than have the church tell me to do it.  If I can see Mt. Hood or Mt St Helens on the way home from work which I will do til I drop, it's all good. 
 I suggest you find out what you are and you'll understand your life in much more detail. Humans are hardwired the moment the sperm hits the egg...the rest is conditioning, programming, tribal expectations, fear, guilt and shame that keeps one in line with the group, religion or organization.

I also simply want people to think before they get hurt by those god-haunted types who run on emotion and the need to control. 
Sometimes we have to loose our minds to come to our senses. You can loose a lot of other things along the way when you do that, but being more authentic is well worth it. It's what ENFP's treasure almost above all other things.
Thanks for listening.....

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

Aside from Dennis finally admitting that he's atheist, there isn't anything original here. It's a repack of the same stories he's been sharing here for years. And, it's long.

The Painful Truth said...

Enjoyed that Dennis. It is indeed good to be out of religion and back to sanity.

Retired Prof said...

Dennis says, "And so I have lost faith in just having faith."

The feeling is familiar. All is not lost, though. I have developed a deep and unshakable faith in the value of skepticism.

Anonymous said...

As Dennis knows, Darwin never proposed how life started. He had no idea how complex and "simple" cell is. The fundamental building blocks of "life" are proteins and proteins don't naturally construct themselves even given the necessary amino acids that are need to be linked together in a precise order.

Harold F. Blum, a prominent evolutionist scientist, states that "The spontaneous formation of a polypeptide of the size of the smallest known proteins seems beyond all probability."

Even having the amino acids properly arranged, this construct needs to be exactly folded to become a biological micro machine. Making a protein does not create "life". Where did DNA come from? ETC. If anyone wants to begin to see the "miracle" of life taking place every second in billions of your cells, go to YouTube and watch the Harvard version of what is call in biology "The Central Dogma". It looks like a science fiction movie.

It comes down to this. If life is too complex to have come about by chance, then there is a Designer, a Creator to answer to. The greatest bias against God is the behavior and suffering of Mankind. I don't have an answer for all the suffering not cause by mans decisions, but this site focuses on men behaving badly.

Would you rather have our Creator be a control freak like many of the COG leaders and not let you make your own mistakes?

Byker Bob said...

I first learned of Myer-Briggs years ago through a lady on another forum, who was an independent Church of God member. She started a discussion that had several of us taking the test, and then reporting which of the 16 personality profiles was appropriate to us. And then, I learned 6 or 7 years later that my brother actually is credentialled to administer the tests and to teach Myer-Briggs at university.

However, this work is not without its controversy or detractors. One prominent behavioral scientist likened it to a Chinese fortune cookie. If anyone is inclined to assume that it provides a blueprint for their lives, or governs their lives in any way, it may be wise to read the various critiques (peer review) of this research and the tests before taking it too seriously. Joe Tkach may have shown a certain level of wisdom in not allowing this to get started and take hold amongst the ministry.

Not that it is always the be all and end all for accurate information, but there is a fairly thorough and well documented presentation of these criticisms in the Myer-Briggs article in Wikipedia.

BB

Anonymous said...

Aside from godhaunted Anon 8:31AM being satisfied he can now justify the label of atheist for Dennnis, there isn't anything original in his comment. It's just a repack of the same complaints about one of Dennis' posts. Thank Zeus it's short.

Anonymous said...

Dennis
Regarding your taking stabbings while lying down, there are books on assertiveness on the market, you know. They explain the church taboo concept of rights. They are worth reading, but most are weak on the theory, since they implicitly believe in socialism rather than America's founding fathers view of everyone having a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How can anyone stand up to coercive bullying without the foundational belief in ones right to life.
In church culture, ones life belongs to the church (ie, the church losers and the ministers) rather than to oneself. They label this stealing of peoples lives 'giving, helping, serving' etc.
A den of thieves as Christ called them.

Steve D said...

I teach psychology at a university and the Myers Briggs Personality Inventory is not well grounded in research. IOW, some of what is taught in Psychology and many of these personality inventories are as unsound as what is taught by some churches (cults). But that doesn't mean that all that is taught in psychology is bunk.
I left the WCG after only four years in it and with a worthless degree from AC. It is easy to have bias against all religions because we got burnt in one. My Mom didn't like to go to doctors and was suspicious of restaurants ("They'll poison you.") Why? Perhaps she had a bad experience with each one time. Just because some religions, religious leaders, and their interpretation of Scripture is wrong, doesn't mean that all aspects of all religions are wrong. I still believe that the Bible is inspired by God, and have confidence in this, but I don't have as much confidence in our understanding of it. And, unlike when I was in the WCG, I am able to live with the idea that it is all right if God knows something that I don't and that I can live with the unanswered questions without loosing faith. C of G members have a bias towards accepting whatever is taught; we should avoid the opposite bias that anything that a religious spokesman teaches is also wrong.

Anonymous said...

Best summary yet, Dennis. I identify totally.

Allen C. Dexter

Gerald Bronkar said...

Thanks for your honest and open post Dennis. You were deeply involved for a long time. It is amazing that you were able to find a way out.

It is sad and sickening to see people like Anon 8:31 hide like a coward and take shots at you. Absolutely nothing to offer but sarcastic criticism.

Still Learning said...

Dennis, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. While I disagree with your theology, I admire your courage; it takes a lot of moxie to consistently post articles/comments while knowing that you will be criticized for such and have your motives questioned constantly.

Even though you no longer feel the need for faith/religion to guide your life, it is easy to see that you are a person who cares about others and tries to live in a manner that is helpful to fellow man.

Sweetblood777 said...

Good picture of a Nephilim.

Gen.6:4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zz8_MxcnzY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZGN6EKjvAo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMWklIpg68c

While the makers of these videos express their own opinions, some opinions are better explanations. The Bible, in my mind, adds further evidence.

Black Ops Mikey said...

And Fortune asks, have we all been duped by the Myers Briggs test?

The answer is no. Some of us have known from the very beginning that it was rubbish.

It isn't clear why even major corporations buy into this nonsense, but that's all it ever was, and Carl Jung is not respected in the field of Psychology -- he's deemed more a Philosopher. Note that Stephen Hawking said that "Philosophy is dead" with good reason. Stephen Hawking said that fundamental questions about the nature of the universe could not be resolved without hard data such as that currently being derived from the Large Hadron Collider and space research.

So the Briggs Meyer test is just another manifestation (or maybe infestation) of magic. In this case (and maybe only this case), the WCG administration was right. Frankly, it's crap.

Other tools that have been researched scientifically have some merit, as those who have taken the Johnson O'Conner Foundation tests have found.

The test is a joke and most psychologists don't much discuss Carl Jung because he's something of an embarrassment whose postulates are highly questionable at best.

It's OK though, Armstrongism is all about debunked magic, so go ahead and take the test because it actually fits in so well with the rest of the absurd mythology of the cult.

Anonymous said...

Pope: "I say it is Christian so it is Christian. You have to believe me. Only I have divine inspiration. The manuscripts say what we say they say by who we say wrote them. Only we have access to the original manuscripts. You have never seen them. Just trust me."

Evolutionist: "I say it is science so it is science. You have to believe me. Only I have access to the bones we say we dug up when and where we say we dug them up. Believe it you idiot! Just trust me."

Anonymous said...

"Note that Stephen Hawking said that 'Philosophy is dead' with good reason. Stephen Hawking said that fundamental questions about the nature of the universe could not be resolved without hard data such as that currently being derived from the Large Hadron Collider and space research."

This is complete nonsense. Hawking is an ignorant twit. Worse, physics today IS philosophy and metaphysics. String theory has given up on hard data and rely on pure math. Read Penrose. They have never discovered quarks despite decades searching. You are being told lies. They have never discovered dark matter, dark energy, gluons, and a pile a crap they predicted. Never. They have never discovered a black hole and there is no way it CAN be discovered because it is indistinguisable to a classical massive dark planet. They take all this on THEORY. And lies.

Anonymous said...

Sigmund the plagiarist stole it all. Now there is the big phony in philosophy.

Anonymous said...

Gerald
It's because of your 12.42PM type posts that many of us need to be Anonymous.
Where you one of those that beat up people who voted for Trump?
You sound like a dangerous dude.

Near_Earth_Object said...

The idea that science is right and the Bible is wrong excludes the possibility of divine intervention. I accept evolution as the process that has governed the development of life one earth. I also accept the miracle of turning water to wine.

On the other hand, I believe the Bible contains allegory. I believe the creation event described in the first few verses of Genesis 1 is allegory. The point is theological and not scientific. Note that this same sequence of events was not repeated in the first chapter of the Gospel of John. John served a different purpose. We cannot treat the Bible as if it were and engineering textbook. I side with Peter Enns in his Incarnational Model for the Bible.

Is it important that we understand with great precision what is allegory and what is not? Not really. What is important is that we understand the theological implications, that we receive the message. And that we understand how other people received the message down through history. So we have a book that is an accumulation of accounts of spiritual journeys of other people written with their knowledge base. It informs our own journey.

If you are Dutch, you are likely haplogroup R1b. It is unlikely that you are descended from the Adam of Genesis at all. My guess is that Adam of Genesis lived in the Neolithic and was haplogroup J and what was important in the Biblical context as that he was the lineal ancestor of the Jews. Your "genetic Adam" was a Black man living in sub-Saharan Africa and was haplogroup A. My guess is that this does not impede your ability to understand the separation between man and God recounted in Genesis.

Anonymous said...

Dennis, I am the one who thinks you are a piece of shit. I won't you to contact me so I can cuss your ass out. My E-Mail is DavidRickman4201@Yahoo.Com I'll give you my mobile number latter. You are a Son Of A WHORE.

RSK said...

????
The guy said "sarcastic criticism", not "I know who you are and Ill burn down your house".

Anonymous said...

"Sigmund the plagiarist stole it all. Now there is the big phony in philosophy."

I meant psychology. And he only stole most o it. Close enough.

Byker Bob said...

Compared to some of the stuff that people regularly post to one another, 8:31 and Gerald were practically being subliminal.

BB

Anonymous said...

RSK
I see nothing offensive or provocative in 8.31 AMs comment. Yet Gerald responds with verbal attack:
1 sad and sickening
2 hide like a coward
3 cheap shots at you
4 absolutely nothing to offer
5 sarcastic criticism

Attack, attack, attack. Did I mention that false accusations are verbal attacks. The COG slivers are saturated with it. Ministers have black belts in this type of verbal attack.
My bible by contrast tells me that God abhors violence.

Anonymous said...

9.20 PM
Most of Sigmund Freuds ideas have been discredited, but he is held in high esteem because he is regarded as the person who 'kicked off the football' in psychology.
In fairness, everyone builds on the previous works of others in the field of psychology. This is true in other fields as well.

Anonymous said...

RSK

I'm 8.31 AM. Thank you for your defense. My feelings aren't hurt. I have a very thick skin and expect most humans to act badly.

My point to Dennis and any other non-believer is that they are deceiving themselves thinking the Creator can be replaced by the silly myth of Evolution. The more real science discovers about physics (the perfectly set of constants needed to just create matter) or micro biology, where the interworking of the Cell are filled with amazing complexity, give credence to what Romans 1 states.

To ignore the design that is all around us in our everyday life requires one to be purposely blinded. Because to acknowledge the obvious design, requires one to admit there is a Designer.

RSK said...

Sounds like the typical disparagement of a generally disinteresting opinion to me. What, you dont like people disagreeing with ya? Poor baby.

Anonymous said...

Sigmund didnt just build, he STOLE. Stop making excuses.

anonymous63 said...

Be real
Be true
Be wonderful you

Trying to stuff others in box of 'this is the way I say and you have to walk in it' is equivalent, to me, to stuffing someone in a coffin and trying to nail the lid on. We need to be what and who we are and to most certainly allow others to be the same. We all have such incredible things to offer...if they haven't been killed off by, "laying down and taking the stabbing without complaint". And yes, we need to know who we are. That is sometimes a difficult journey back to the land of real (aka authentic). I don't think there would be so many puckered, sour pusses if people would find that part of themselves that others have been used to 'kill' off, shut down, or stifle.

Gerald Bronkar said...

That's right Anon 3:19 PM and 1:33 AM, I am one bad motherf@&*er. I have left many Trump supporters battered and bruised. You have a wild imagination, and appear to be a sick puppy. I would guess that if you suffer any abuse, you bring it on yourself. You are such a poor victim and you don't even have the balls to identify yourself. Give me a break.

And by the way, my bible tells me that the God of Israel loves violence. I'm not sure which bible you are reading. There is a lot more to the bible than John 3:16, and even that is violent.

Dennis, I am amused that so many follow-up posts focus on the flaws of the personality test you took, and your acknowledgement that you may be an atheist. There was so much more to be admired and appreciated from what you shared. I respect your journey, and especially your ability to break free from the mind-games and delusion of Armstrongism and religion in general. We were all brainwashed to the max. I know of nothing more important than freedom of thought.

I especially related to your quote from William Graham Sumner.

RSK said...

LOL yeah, Gerald is the boogeyman the alt-right fears. Just lookit that profile pic, you know he can throw those thangs!

Seriously, though...

RSK said...

It would be fascinating to see what words would have been put in Jesus' mouth if a Constantine had arisen in say, AD 70.

Anonymous said...

Gerald
Everyone who achieves a degree of success in life finds themselves persecuted by non winners. My bible gives the example of Cain versus Abel. That this is foreign to you with your 'you bring it on yourself,' must mean that you are a non winner.
Why do you keep insisting that people tell you their name?

RSK said...

Whoa now, Near Earth Object! Don't be telling these people they got black folks in they families. Some white people get really worked up about that. :)

RSK said...

Crabs in a barrel, huh? Sometimes that analogy is true. Experienced it myself. Put a hand (or claw) back in, theyll rip it off.

DennisCDiehl said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dennis, I am the one who thinks you are a piece of shit. I won't you to contact me so I can cuss your ass out. My E-Mail is DavidRickman4201@Yahoo.Com I'll give you my mobile number latter. You are a Son Of A WHORE."

Dennis responds:

I'm sorry you feel that way and you're entitled to your feelings. Originally, after calling me a monkey and now "an ignorant pile of dog shit," in a recent email, you said you wanted to talk to me "face to face" about my beliefs. You also noted in your private email to me this evening:

"Dennis, I don't give a flying fuck if you are an atheistard or not.
Any and ALL xwwcg members & Ministers are a piece of shit. If you have a goddammed problem with me contact me at ________________. I'm the one who called you a monkey!!!"


I haven't been associated as minister or member with WCG for 20 years now.. Evidently these are your core beliefs and mine are public and since you're problem seems to be with me and not me with you in any meaningful sense, you can write me anytime but I don't see any reason to call just to have you cuss my ass out as noted. I can get all that I want publicly by just expressing my views and explaining my own journey through my WCG experience.

Thanks for getting back to me though. I wasn't sure if you had seen my response to be fine with calling if you wanted to talk to me about my beliefs. It seems not my beliefs though you want to talk about.

My hope for you is that you can get a handle on your hatred personally because it hurts you, not me. What eats you...eats you....
.

anonymous63 said...

RSK 2:40 PM Yup, they do tend to pucker up with the thought that they aren't as blue blooded, European pure as they think. I find it extremely amusing.

Lived with that pomposity from a substitute parent for part of my growing up, and I hated every minute of it. I now take some sadistic pleasure/comfort in seeing the ... reeducation.

Anonymous said...

Yet Gerald and others complain about posters being anonymous.
"David Richman" and friends is the reason why.

Byker Bob said...

Hoowee! This discussion has gotten funky!

BB

Anonymous said...

David Richman, post your number here so I can call and tell you you're a paki.

Anonymous said...

The thing that's almost as bad as ex ministers are ex members who gave money to that piece o' crap herbie the zionist shithead.

Anonymous said...

Suck it Rickman.

Anonymous said...

Dennis, you can't make a psychopath better. They are beyond help. It's in their DNA (kinda like people o color).

Anonymous said...

I posted here last year, pointing out that as a Christian I get persecuted all the time. Just about everyone here either didn't believe me, or claimed that I provoked others or that I am paranoid. This David Rickman is typical of this persecution.
There have been several David Rickmans in every workplace of mine, as well as some relatives.
Strive for quality in any area of your life, and these trailer-park, redneck losers come after you.

Anonymous said...

"I have left many Trump supporters battered and bruised.:"

What terrorist group are you with, BLM perhaps.

RSK said...

Thats not persecution. Thats just some random Joe running his mouth. Come on now.

RSK said...

The holy spirit confirmed to me that Rickman is a PCG also-ran.

Retired Prof said...

Anon May 3, 10:33 asks, "What terrorist group are you with, BLM perhaps."

Whatever gave you the idea that the Bureau of Land Management was a terrorist group? Out in Nevada it was challenged by one.

Anonymous said...

RSK
"some random Joe running his mouth?"
I think we all know that the bibles 'life and death is in the power of the tongue' is a truism.
How do you this Joe would treat Dennis if they both worked in the same workplace?
Whitewashing or minimising evil is not a admirable trait.

RSK said...

Neither is exaggerating it.

Anonymous said...

My bible says 'choose life or choose death.' There is a natural polarization toward one or the other. Mild evil is not common, it's transitory in peoples lives.

RSK said...

If only the initial scouts of Canaan had known what "your" bible says... oh wait. They exaggerated and everyone had to wander in the wilderness for another 40 years as a result.