Thursday, June 20, 2019

Dave Pack: RCG Members Can't Hear!


Tonto said...

By his own words, Pack stands convicted as charged.

DennisCDiehl said...

Nice examples of Projection on Dave's part.

And too...

"I want to make a statement, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."
David C Pack
December 12, 1998

Anonymous said...

A church member who had a copy of the Scofield Bible told me the WCG basically got its teaching from the Scofield Bible.

Here is some information I found about it on the web. Is it true or false? Read it and ponder. One thing I know for sure is that nothing is the way it appears, and the world is flooded with fake scholars.

They wrote a new version of your Bible, Christians. The Scofield Bible. Just 100 or so years ago. The man who created it, Cyrus Scofield, served Jewish interests, which were at that time scheming to use Americans as cannon fodder in a war in which we had no reason to spill our or anyone's blood.

That war was World War 1. The Jews wanted us to fight in that war in order to pay off Britain — so that Britain would give them Palestine. They blackmailed President Wilson— one of the Jews who did the blackmailing, Benjamin Freedman, admitted it years later — to get Wilson to go along with their scheme and send American boys to die.

Scofield was a lawyer and a writer, but of very poor character. He was fired from his position as a US Attorney because of questionable financial transactions, including accepting bribes from railroads, stealing political contributions intended for his political patron, and forging notes and checks. Scofield was a self-described “heavy drinker” and abandoned his wife and two daughters.

But Scofield was rescued from this downward spiral and tapped to change Christianity into a more Jew-friendly creed.

Scofield — and those who suddenly appeared to fund him— created a new narrative, which had not been part of the teaching of any Christian denomination before. That new narrative made war in the Middle East and Jewish “return” to Palestine into “sacred” “holy” and inevitable, “prophesied” things that “had to happen” before Jesus would return from heaven. They printed their Scofield Bible in two columns or halves (depending on the edition), with the original text in one section, and the new Jewish-oriented narrative explaining what the Bible “really means” in the other section right next to it. It has had a massive influence on four generations of Christians, most of whom didn’t know they were being manipulated. Mike Pompeo, our current Secretary of State, has obviously been influenced by it. Cringeworthy Pompeo recently said that Donald Trump was “sent by God to protect Israel.” This is the level of crazy that the Christian Zionist narrative pioneered by Scofield can have on otherwise sane people.

The new Bible gave Jews massive new influence on Christians and Christianity, the kind of influence they hadn’t had for 1500 years. The new Bible went totally against traditional Church teachings, but the Jews’ large-scale 20th-century purchases of media outlets made it easy to hide that fact and make it seem like most people supported the new version of Christianity they’d created.

TLA said...

Admittedly Wikipedia is not perfect, but it is not insane.
Scofield's notes teach futurism and dispensationalism, a theology advanced in the early nineteenth century by the Anglo-Irish clergyman John Nelson Darby, who like Scofield had also been trained as a lawyer.[24] Dispensationalism emphasizes the distinctions between the New Testament Church and ancient Israel of the Old Testament. Scofield believed that between creation and the final judgment there are seven distinct eras of God's dealing with humanity and that these eras are a framework around which the message of the Bible could be explained. It was largely through the influence of Scofield's notes that dispensational premillennialism became influential among fundamentalist Christians in the United States, and these notes became a significant source for popular religious writers such as Hal Lindsey.

Anonymous said...

I don’t know that the RCG members can’t hear so much as that they can’t remember. Dave lays down a barrage of crap, it fails bigtime, and his followers forget all about it. He no longer even needs to command that they forget. By now, it’s part of their nature.

Anonymous said...

It"s a manipulative ploy. People assume that if someone is warning about deceitful leaders, surely that person can't be one of them.

Anonymous said...

All these "leaders" who claim to keep the 10 commandments seem to fail in recognizing that they are continually breaking the one about taking God's name in vain. They do it consistently without any conscience or shame and the members keep allowing it.

Anonymous said...

Most people who are with Pack, Flurry, Weinland, etc. are more concerned about being with the "right" man and organization than following the Truth.

It doesn't matter what they teach or do. It's all about the man and the organization. They are going to be loyal to them.

These false idols continue to dupe the members with clever schemes and arguments. They seek the glory and praise of men. We are to be glorifying and praising God!!!

Anonymous said...

“Dave Pack: RCG Members Can't Hear!”

Current RCG members can't REMEMBER!

David Pack's Restored Church (RCG) was originally going to restore everything that Herbert W. Armstrong had taught at the time of HWA's death on January 16, 1986.

Since HWA was the one who was prophesied to come in the spirit and power of Elijah to RESTORE ALL THINGS, this had been done by the end of his life. ALL the teachings in the Worldwide Church of God had come through Herbert W. Armstrong.

David Pack had even originally taught that the understanding that HWA was the prophesied Elijah who was to RESTORE ALL THINGS was a great wall of defence against doctrinal heresy.

Now, however, David Pack appears to have lost his mind and gone totally nuts. David Pack has now started to teach that he himself, rather than HWA, is the Elijah with the power to “restore” doctrines, such as David Pack's new “common” teaching that everyone must send virtually everything they have to him (cash, savings, retirement plans, houses, possessions, etc.)--“or no salvation if you don't.”

David Pack has also begun to totally garble HWA's prophetic teachings with David Pack's lengthy series of “first dominion” nonsense.

It is understandable that some people would have gone with David Pack based on what he had originally taught. Now, however, people must be nuts to stay with him. They must be doctrinally unstable in the worst way.