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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
My purpose in posting these last two refutations of Dave Pack's foray into areas he knows nothing about and whose arguments are not well made or easily tolerated is not to promote atheism over anyone's personal beliefs. I simply wish to show that just as Dave's reasoning and "proofs" in areas of science are bogus and typical of fundamentalists arguments, so are his theological ramblings just as weak and dangerous to those taken in by them.
In both theology and science, Dave is sadly mistaken either repeating long ago debunked information or making it up in his head, especially in his theology, to the impending harm of those who follow or believe him.
Dave Pack is a foolish shepherd and a light weight to those who have learned to think both critically and for themselves.
Why is it that in Armstrongism, if you consult a book or teacher, automatically it is assumed that you accept what they say 100%, making them your new philosophy or guru? It's because that's what we were taught to do with all of the church literature, and the ministry of the so-called COG.
Aron Ra has done a number on Dave Pack, that's all. I seriously doubt that anyone here has made him their new guru, or is patterning their lives after his. But in the dense jungle that is Armstrongism, he may serve as one reference point for the purpose of shooting a back azimuth, and navigating out of the jungle.
Paradoxically, HWA taught borrowing a precept here and there from completely different contexts in the Bible to compile his proof texts, but insisted on single sourcing to him everything beyond that. And Pack does the same thing. If that isn't playing God, I don't know what is. Aron Ra is like a library book or website. Just because you check it out doesn't mean you completely endorse it like we might have "The Book of Revelation Unveiled At Last!"
Ra is an intellectual tornado championing Logic & Science: Must have been what it was like when Porphyry confronted the mother church in 3rd century. Before the Church became powerful and silenced opposition. Wouldn't have happened if that wasn't what the people wanted: Because people get the leaders/rulers/government they deserve. They wanted a theocracy, then had great difficulty extricating themselves from it! Just like the Iranians wanted - a theocracy (sounded good initially) And the Germans wanted a charismatic populist (there'll be a price to pay!)
So it's interesting: The Bible (OT) claims humans resist theocratic rule and lust for secularism. But isn't it opposite: 1500 years of church/state Christendom, Middle Eastern caliphates..Secularism/science education only emerging after protracted oppression?
Aron Ra gives great monologues, like philosohizing symbology, being both simple and short. But if you want to see Aron Ra get a taste of his own medicine, here you go. It's rather long but good.
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My purpose in posting these last two refutations of Dave Pack's foray into areas he knows nothing about and whose arguments are not well made or easily tolerated is not to promote atheism over anyone's personal beliefs. I simply wish to show that just as Dave's reasoning and "proofs" in areas of science are bogus and typical of fundamentalists arguments, so are his theological ramblings just as weak and dangerous to those taken in by them.
In both theology and science, Dave is sadly mistaken either repeating long ago debunked information or making it up in his head, especially in his theology, to the impending harm of those who follow or believe him.
Dave Pack is a foolish shepherd and a light weight to those who have learned to think both critically and for themselves.
Basically, he is a salesman for an ideology, but has inadequate product knowledge. The size of his congregation is his report card.
BB
Foolish shepherd?
I'm pretty sure he's a wolf.
well, I watched a few minutes of the 1st video and that guy is just like DCP, only on the other end of the argument...he spouts untruth just as DCP.
surely you can find someone better....DCP is not that hard to discredit.
Ra is the most impressive rhetorician I've seen!
Totally demolishes the Packman!
Reject BOTH bad guys.
Reject Packman so you do not get lied to and robbed, become destitute and frustrated, and descend into insanity.
Reject Longhair so you do not ignorantly think that you are wise even as you descend into utter depravity.
Why is it that in Armstrongism, if you consult a book or teacher, automatically it is assumed that you accept what they say 100%, making them your new philosophy or guru? It's because that's what we were taught to do with all of the church literature, and the ministry of the so-called COG.
Aron Ra has done a number on Dave Pack, that's all. I seriously doubt that anyone here has made him their new guru, or is patterning their lives after his. But in the dense jungle that is Armstrongism, he may serve as one reference point for the purpose of shooting a back azimuth, and navigating out of the jungle.
Paradoxically, HWA taught borrowing a precept here and there from completely different contexts in the Bible to compile his proof texts, but insisted on single sourcing to him everything beyond that. And Pack does the same thing. If that isn't playing God, I don't know what is. Aron Ra is like a library book or website. Just because you check it out doesn't mean you completely endorse it like we might have "The Book of Revelation Unveiled At Last!"
BB
Dave Pack:"Think of what's at stake in whether there is a God."
The Old "Sky Cake Dodge"
warning:"r-rated", couldn't find a "pg-version" and too lazy to edit a censored version.
DBP
Ra is an intellectual tornado championing Logic & Science:
Must have been what it was like when Porphyry confronted the mother church in 3rd century.
Before the Church became powerful and silenced opposition.
Wouldn't have happened if that wasn't what the people wanted:
Because people get the leaders/rulers/government they deserve.
They wanted a theocracy, then had great difficulty extricating themselves from it!
Just like the Iranians wanted - a theocracy (sounded good initially)
And the Germans wanted a charismatic populist (there'll be a price to pay!)
So it's interesting: The Bible (OT) claims humans resist theocratic rule and lust for secularism. But isn't it opposite: 1500 years of church/state Christendom, Middle Eastern caliphates..Secularism/science education only emerging after protracted oppression?
Aron Ra gives great monologues, like philosohizing symbology, being both simple and short. But if you want to see Aron Ra get a taste of his own medicine, here you go. It's rather long but good.
DBP
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