The other day. the official Church of God Wonder Boy and God's ONLY double blessed self-appointed prophet came out with a bunch of zingers that show just how deceitfully crafty he is in his claims.
Now before going further, let me state that 1) I have been trained in virology 2) the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Disease twice concluded that my work with herbal, glandular, and vitamin therapy had ‘significant scientific merit’ against the HIV coronavirus in the 1990s, 3) I do have a Ph.D. in a biological field, and 4) I have successfully treated people with a variety of viruses with natural interventions for about thirty years (this is not something that people like Dr. Fauci, who the AP has repeatedly promoted as an expert has done).
A retired Public Health Educator from Indiana sent me this today:
I am addressing this as a Retired Health Educator who for years had to evaluate material to make judgments on the reliability of information before using it to teach others. I am making no judgments on the science here, just the way the information is presented that sends up warning signals.
But first: Is our good Dr. Bob telling us that HIV is a coronavirus? Or does the Doctor/Prophet make a typo?
Secondly:
1) “I have been trained in virology” is not the sort of statement a virologist would make. “I have been trained (or studied, etc) at NAME OF INSTITUTION or “with NAME of SCIENTIST is more likely.
2) A trained virologist would not make a statement that NIAID had “twice concluded” anything without giving us a reference citation to where those conclusions appeared.
3) “I do have a PhD in a biological field” are red flag, weasel words. What “biological field? Again, someone with a valid PhD who is writing about viruses would specify the field.
4) “I have successfully treated...for about thirty years” — where are his citations to any of this from established medical journals, conference proceedings, ANYTHING peer-reviewed? The failure to provide any peer-reviewed information is disquieting.
This is the same kind of deceitful nonsense that Gavin Rumney called Bob out on years ago when Bob claimed to have a theology Ph.D. from a real university, which ended up being a diploma mill out of India. Thiel also claims that he went to Fuller seminary as proof of his super fantastical theological understanding. One class in one semester does not make one a theologian AND he has no degree from Fuller or even Ambassador College, which, most assuredly does not make him a genuine theologian. His so-called education in theology comes from the junk theology of Herbert Armstrong and Rod Meredith which consists of booklets and sermons that proof-text scripture to fit the desired topic being spoken of.
Is there anything truthful about Bob?
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Bobby is such a good liar! He should go into politics. He’s perfect for it.
FROM A LEGITIMATE MEDICAL SITE (Healthline)...
Many types of mental health disorders classified as psychotic disorders can lead to delusions. These include:
schizophrenia
bipolar disorder
dementia
delirium
major depressive disorder with psychotic features
Types of delusions of grandeur...
Any delusion has four main characteristics:
The person having the belief believes it to be true, even when the existing norm and other people know it to be untrue.
The person having the delusion will not listen to any other viewpoints about the belief and will not consider change when evidence challenges the delusion.
The content of the delusion is impossible or implausible.
The delusion impacts the person’s daily life.
Delusions of grandeur can take many forms, such as beliefs of:
Having a special ability, object, or talent
The person with the delusion may believe that they have a secret talent, object, or ability that no one else has or even knows about. For example, they may believe they possess a secret record from Elvis Presley that no one else knows about.
Being a famous person
A person with a delusion of grandeur may actually believe that they are a famous person and that the real famous person is an imposter or decoy.
Having a secret connection
This delusion involves believing in a special and sometimes secret connection or relationship with someone or something important. For example, a person with this delusion of grandeur may believe they are a spy or that they alone are responsible for relaying messages to the president or other world leaders.
Religious grandeur
A person with a religious-themed delusion of grandeur may believe that they are a religious leader.
Bob never posts verifiable resources for anything. Not for his education, his degrees, his publications, peer reviews, his theological education, his historical education, or any of the other topics he claims to be an authority upon. Why is he such a coward to let people see? Then he has the gall to get all bent out of shape when people ask. He is such a fraud.
And then Tonto the are people who are wicked liars.
Liars who protest much about mental illness in attempt to scare off any who tell the truth.
Thankfully Jesus Christ is the one who judges.
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Bob doesn't tell that the truth, so what are you complaining about?
It is our duty to discern truth from lies and Bob Thiel has been proven to be a liar. Christ expects that of us instead of sitting around waiting for him to do the dirty work for us. It is no wonder the church is such a mess when people act like you instead of calling the liars in the church liars.
Does the God of the Bible exist? If he does, he has a purpose for you:
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
When I was working as an EMT-Intermediate a "Dr" stopped at an accident scene to help. He made a point to say he was a Doctor. My partner asked "Doctor of what?" He had to admit he had a PhD in English Lit.
Side note: Even having a real Dr show up at an accident scene is not considered a god send. They are too analytical in their field and a tendency to dawdle. In EMS, it is treat and go and treat while on the move. In other words, they are too slow for the EMS way of getting it done.
1:10. Because I refuse to listen to Thiel’s lies I am turning my back on god? Too funny!
Who's complaining and was responding to Tonto's comment.
Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.
In other words, Bob is a fool because he presumes to be an instructor and despises even the most basic instruction from knowledgeable people who try to help him.
I wonder if Dr Bob would bring up clean and unclean meats to Dr Fauci in a debate on treating covid?
Today Bob's plight reminded me of an old GTA/PT story - the man who claimed some "signs" were calling him into the ministry. The correct interpretation was that the man should be a farmer.
Only a few in the WCG used the prefix of "Dr" in articles, sermons, etc, and only in formal, academic situations followed their names with credentials. While I really don't doubt Bob's USC MS, and his PhD, I question why he uses PhD in his book titles. Is it make his work more believable? Although the value of his ThD may be questioned, wouldn't it be the better claim on religious writing?
And, as others have mentioned, I find the quality of his dissertations a tad less than the standard I would expect for someone of his lofty claims. Or was he being like Dave Pack claimed - Dave wrote that he could write superb, formal, highly polished articles, but he doesn't, as his work must be at the level of the hoi polloi.
Use your brains, people! If Dr. Bob did in fact offer a healing modality far more successful than what Dr. Fauci and others advise, others would have duplicated it and begun offering it, and we would see clear and consistent reports of successes that put Dr. Fauci to shame.
The absence of such evidence means one of two things. Either millions of doctors are deliberately choosing to act against their professional and financial self-interest by failing to cure patients, or Dr. Bob's medical advice is full of crap.
I know which I believe.
Hoss re the story you referred to I think it’s the following, which I heard a while back and added to my list of jokes :-)
A well known evangelist was visiting Christian churches during his travels. He was amazed by one preacher's ineptness, although he knew the man's heart was right. So, as they were visiting later, he asked the man how he had gotten into the ministry. The man replied that he had been a farmer, and that one day, looking up into the sky from his tractor, he saw some clouds in the formation of the letters "PC". He immediately knew that that was his calling, God was telling him to "Preach Christ". The evangelist looked him straight in the eye, and said, "But you were a farmer, right?" The man replied, "Yes, of course!" The evangelist smiled and told him "God was telling you to plough corn!"
The more Bob says the crazier he sounds. This is why those of us in LCG refused to follow him into his little flock. We realized he had mental issues then and now they are just compounded and visible for the world to see. His credibility is shrinking by the day and he is too narcissistic to realize it.
The only differnece between fauci and bob is the group of people that believe their lies.
All of them are delusional.
“I do have a PhD in a biological field”
In Bob's recent post on Bill Gates and synthetic beef, he clarifies biological field:
"Well, I (Bob Thiel) am a scientist (Ph.D. nutrition science) and nutritional clinician..."
So ... when Bob announces in his sermons "This is Dr. Bob Thiel" and has "Bob Thiel, PhD" on his byline, he is speaking/writing as a scientist, not as a prophet, overseer, COG leader? And haven't COGs, like the previous US administration, been largely anti-science?
I was friends with Bob when I was in LCG. While I found him nice, he was not overly friendly.
He wanted to be seen and known by the church leadership. He also wanted to be seen by people as a scholar. While he did have a wide array of different subjects, he did not know those subjects in depth. It was mostly superficial. Just enough facts to overwhelm people into not wanting to ask more questions of him and hear him drone on and on.
I, like many others, found his grasp of theology as being also superficial. He knew how to talk the talk but could never go in-depth, yet it was funny to watch him constantly trying to impress the ministry and leaders of the church. It was quite comical at times. When he was around them they would pat him on his back and stroke his ego a little and then laugh at what he was saying when he left the room.
It was no shock to me to see him rebel against Mr. Merdith and start his own group. We could see Mr. Meredith and others slowly pushing him aside due to his constant demands that they listen to him and change their teaching to fit what he had decided was true.
Bob is an extremely vain person. He needs recognition and constantly stroking of his back so that he feels needed and important. There must be deep issues with his parents as he never talks about them. That may be part of the reason he is so needy for recognition.
He is also very narcissistic. No one is more righteous than he is. You can see it in his videos, especially those of him with his followers in Africa. He needs and expects their adoration.
I know it may sound weird that while I was still friendly with him I could not respect the man. There was something a little off. Today we see that manifested in his preaching and mannerisms.
Your source did not quote Bob's other comment:
"But the AP was not interested in reporting views of people like me, despite the fact that I meet their stated criteria for being qualified on this topic.”"
Bob is a liar. Bob no more meets their "stated criteria" as a medical professional than he meets the criteria of being a real theologian or a prophet. The more Bob speaks the more he lies.
Unlike what is mistakenly written earlier in this thread, Bob has told us where he got his virology training. In his own words:
Now before going further, let me state that 1) I have been trained in virology, via Columbia University and PanAmerican University of Natural Medicine
Wow! If you want to understand how Bob gets some of his weird non-Christian influences, just look at the website of the school he credits with his virology training, PanAmerican University in St. Kitts & Nevis. The school weaves its ideas of "metaphysics" throughout the curriculum, which seems to have influenced/possessed Bob.
No wonder Bob is so crazy! Damn!
I looked at the website for his "university", what an absolute ass crack of a school! Since when does a university give degree titles in "nobility"? I am surprised that Booby hasn't claimed that title yet.
Bob has to be the biggest fraud the church has ever had as a leader. David C Pack and Gerald Flurry pale in comparison.
Diploma mill? What school isn't a diploma mill? They are all propaganda organs.
Diploma mill? What school isn't a diploma mill? They are all propaganda organs.
What a weird comment! Nobody up-thread called any of Bob's schools diploma mills. Looks to me like this is another of Bob's drive-by comments trying to make him look better, as if he wants us to think Johns Hopkins and Harvard and PanAmerican are all the same. Hi, Bob!
The best thing about this blog keeping the heat on Bob Thiel is that it has prevented people from joining his cult. That is what irritates Bob the most. The fact that we point out his lies and exposed his so-called ministry as one of deception. Keep it up, folks!
Thanks for the correction on Bob's PhD; back from Gavin Rumney's critique of Bob's creds I thought only the ThD had a questionable origin. But thankfully Banned is both group-sourced and peer-reviewed, research methods that are an anathema to Bob's methodology.
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But it's not just about Bob. Bob Thiel is typical of the many hundreds of splinters out there. It's about warning away potential victims from all these groups.
many hundreds of splinters out there
We've always gone after blunders and attack "the worst". While it might be misleading to ask "What is the best COG?" what is the "least bad COG?" What COG could we call "best of a bad bunch"? Past or present?
Thanks for the correction on Bob's PhD; back from Gavin Rumney's critique of Bob's creds I thought only the ThD had a questionable origin.
I have taken for granted that he has at least one legitimate degree, from USC. The way things are developing, however, I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the degree is actually from the University of Slaughtering Chickens in Lagos, Nigeria, or perhaps from the Useful Seance College in New Orleans.
Bob is so useless as a prophet that he can't even command a couple of bears to maul one of his detractors. Weak, weak prophet!
What's the definition of a cult?
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