Who was Jesus? Who wrote the Gospels? Why are they written in Greek? Why do they have a Pro-Roman perspective?
After the final destruction of the Temple in 70 AD and the end to the major Jewish war against Rome, the militant Judaism and Messiah is fading and the pacified Messiah as Jesus is rising as the new religion. In time, it will become the religion of the Empire. Militant Messianic Judaism is dead along with its twin, Zealot and Anti-Rome Christianity.
The New and Pacified Messiah, Jesus, encourages the payment of taxes to Rome and turning the other cheek instead of violence. One would hardly know, in the Gospels, that Judea was under Roman rule.
It is a Roman that Jesus credits with greater faith than any Jew and a Roman soldier that declares "Truly this was the Son of God". Roman leaders are almost convinced to become Christians and Paul, as a Herodian, has an abundance of friends in the House of Caesar that Paul sends his greetings to.
And of course, Paul teaches that it is God who puts Roman leaders in their positions of power, and they are there with God's approval and are to be obeyed.
These are not the tales and admonitions of the militant and Zealot Messianic Jews or Christians.
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I believe there are 2 options here:
1--The Bible was written by a bunch of gypsies sitting around a campfire
2-- It would require a Christ to invent a Christ
You can come to the correct conclusion just by reading the book! Happy I could help.
One is two?
"Undeniably the Gospels and the New Testament are very pro-Roman."
It's annoying when someone throws in words like "undeniably", "clearly", "obviously", to try to bolster a weak or controversial claim.
Replace "Undeniably" with "I attempt to argue that".
As with most conspiracy theories, one has to ignore a whole lot of historical and scriptural evidence to arrive at the conclusion that the Flavians invented Jesus and authored the New Testament. Paul's first epistle to the Thessalonians is widely recognized by biblical scholars as the earliest Christian writing available to us, and the outlines of the Christ story are clearly present in that narrative.
Indeed, it is the near unanimous opinion of those scholars that ALL of Paul's "authentic" epistles were written well before the events of 70 CE. Moreover, it is almost certain that much of the source material for the synoptic gospels was also written down prior to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. In those writings, the outline of Christ's life and teachings are clearly portrayed. Paul even recounts the symbolism of the Eucharist in his first letter to the saints at Corinth, and also references his personal dealings with Christ's original apostles in his letter to the Galatians.
Pilate is portrayed in the Gospels as the ROMAN governor of Judea, and the one who sentenced Christ to death. Likewise, any suggestion that the Herodians were portrayed in a positive light in those writings is easily refuted by anyone who is familiar with them. Moreover, Paul's epistles reveal a man who was a highly educated Jew who would have been fluent in the language of the elite during this period, Greek. After all, his audience was Gentile!
Finally, as we all know, the first persecution of Christians by the Romans occurred under the reign of the last Julio-Claudian ruler, Emperor Nero. There was another under the last Flavian, Emperor Domitian; and the persecutions of Christians continued under many of the succeeding emperors of the next two hundred years! Indeed, there isn't ANY evidence that the Flavians made ANY distinctions between Christians and Jews in their conquest of Judea (this was one of the primary incentives for early Christians to separate themselves from Judaism).
Moreover, the early Christian movement did NOT center itself in Rome! That narrative is clearly Roman Catholic projection onto history. For the first three hundred years or so, the Church was multi-polar. Over the next two hundred years, the Western Church gradually came to be dominated by the Bishop of Rome (the Eastern Church rejected Rome's claim to supremacy). Likewise, it is pure fantasy to suggest that the saints in Rome exerted ANY control of their brethren outside of that city during the period of the Flavians. Talk about an anachronism!
When you are thousands of years removed from events, it's easy to come up with alternatives. I just don't know what good is accomplished by these alternatives in peoples lives.
I once knew an agnostic who said "I don't know if there ever was such a person as Jesus Christ, but if there was, He certainly set a marvelous example, one that we'd all be wise to follow!"
Or another guy who said, "If that isn't true, it sure shoud be!"
Does anyone worry whether Buddha existed?
MIller/Jones .....About this Multi polar christianity.......Not even the Bishops of Milan or Lyon recognized the primacy of the one in Rome.......only much later much later.......(and btw certainly not the ones from the Celtic Church that celebrated passover on the 14th of nisan and only became subjugated by the canterbury Rome representative after Whitby Synod.........nck
"Does anyone worry whether Buddha existed?"
Sure. Confirming the biographical details of his story is almost impossible. Was he really once a prince in Nepal? Maybe, but we dont know. He could just have easily have been a literary creation based on some folklore.
Perhaps this info will help our friend Dennis. Sorry, but I will have to post this reply in 3 or 4 parts. But, I think you will see it will be worth it.
Part 1: Chapter 11
How the Messiah's Story Was Written
11.1 How The Messiah's Story Was Written
"Since [as it is well known] many have undertaken to put in order and draw up a [thorough] narrative of the surely established deeds which have been accomplished and fulfilled in and among us,
Exactly as they were handed down to us by those who from the [official] beginning [of Yahshua's ministry] were eyewitnesses and ministers of the Word…,
It seeming good and desirable to me, [I have determined] also after having searched out diligently and followed all things closely and traced accurately the course from the highest to the minutest detail from the very first, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus.
[My purpose is] that you may understand with certainty and security against error the accounts [histories] and doctrines of the faith of which you have been informed and in which you have been orally instructed." Luke 1:1-4
11.2 ON THE SPOT NEWS REPORTING?
One of the biggest criticisms concerning the accuracy of the NewTestament is this. "How could the actual words of the Messiah be recorded since they were written years after the events?" It is not possible in the minds of most in the world for these words to be accurately memorized. The world does not consider valid the idea of "divine inspiration." So, what is the answer? Please remember, though, this is just one of the criticisms. In this chapter, we will explain this dilemma.
We believe this is the first time this dilemma has been explained. You are in for a wonderful, delightful surprise. I hope the joy of this discovery will fill you as it did me when I was first shown this information!
Still looking for church/group/anybody observing the 14th OF NISAN as the first day of 7 days of unleavened bread....................
Part 2:
11.3 A SURPRISING CLUE
What did Luke mean when he said, as we quoted earlier, that he diligently "researched" this information? How could he research anything if there were no accurately written records?
All these hundreds of years, the critics have spurned the writings in what is called the New Testament. It is time to show them, and you, dear reader, how this record was accurately kept.
Surprisingly, the clue that brought the truth to light does not seem like a clue on first observance. But, wow, what a clue it turned out to be! Let me show you the clue here.
"And when they had entered [the city], they mounted to the upper room where they were indefinitely staying -- Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot and Judas the [son (brother?)] of James.
"All of those with their minds in full agreement devoted themselves steadfastly to prayer, [waiting together] with the women and Mary the mother of Yahshua, and with His brothers.
"Now one of those days Peter arose among the brethren, the whole number of whom gathered together WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY." Acts 1:13-15 (Amplified)
Your reaction is probably this -- "What kind of clue is this? That doesn't have a thing to do with recording the Messiah's history."
It is amazing how things come together when looking for the truth of a matter. Thankfully, I had been studying something else that went hand-in-glove with the above scriptures. The "bell" of understanding really went off in my mind when I saw this.
The funny thing is, I had also asked a further simple question. What does it mean, ABOUT a hundred and twenty? Well, I can tell you here it means one hundred fourteen. (I put this in because it is just a simple side light of how thorough the Creator is.) Later, you'll see why I say it means one hundred fourteen.
Part 3: 11.4 JEWISH LAWS OF ORGANIZATION
Remember when Yahshua, as a young boy, discussed the Scriptures with the elders in the Temple? In order for Him to do that, He had to know the laws of Israel quite well. And, He did!
When He began His ministry, it was necessary for Him to operate under certain laws. Let's see how He began to implement them.
His first chore was to recruit members of His group, or party. He did that by calling two at a time; at least, when He first began.
"From that time Yahshua began to preach, crying out, Repent, -- that is, change your mind for the better, heartily amend your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins -- for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
"As He was walking by the sea of Galilee, He noticed TWO brothers, Simon, who is called Peter and Andrew his brother … And He said to them, Come after Me [as Disciples] -- … At once they left their nets and became His Disciples -- sided with HIS PARTY and followed Him.
"And going on further from there He noticed TWO other brothers, James the son of Zebedee and John his brother … and He called them.
"At once they left the boat and their father and joined Yahshua as Disciples -- sided with HIS PARTY and followed Him." Matthew 4:17-22 (Amplified)
So far, He has called FOUR Disciples in pairs of TWOS. (He also later sent them out in TWOS.)
Later in Matthew, ten of the twelve Disciples are first listed. It appears they are listed in pairs of TWO. Check this chapter yourself. But also notice they ended up with a total of TWELVE. We plan to show you why this is -- at least the "why" the world would understand.
First, think about this. If YOU were going to organize a religious "party" in Palestine during the time of Messiah, what pattern would you use? Was there a law to follow? The simple answer to that is YES. Here is the law the Messiah obeyed. You'll see the importance of this later.
"What must be the population of a town to make it eligible for a [small] Sanhedrin? -- ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY…" p. 4, The Talmud, Vol. III, Soncino
I nearly jumped out of my chair when I first read the above. I did not know there was much more to come though.
The simple fact is, the smallest permitted group in Palestine to be recognized was that of a small town. There were laws about how the town must be organized and what it must do to be legal. Yahshua knew the laws of Israel and obeyed them, to the letter and spirit.
11.5 MEMBERS FITLY JOINED TOGETHER
If, then, Yahshua formed His PARTY based on the Jewish town laws, what did His PARTY have to do to be legal?
Here it is, revealed perhaps for the first time, the organization Yahshua and His Disciples followed.
"What must the population of a city be in order that it may qualify for a Sanhedrin [thus be legal]? A HUNDRED AND TWENTY, etc.
What is the reason for that number? -- Twenty-three corresponding to the number of the minor Sanhedrin, and three rows of twenty-three, make ninety-two. Adding the ten "batlanim' of the Synagogue, we have a hundred and two. Then, a further TWO CLERKS, TWO SHERIFFS, TWO LITIGANTS, TWO WITNESSES, TWO ZOMEMIM, and TWO TO REFUTE THE ZOMEMIM [notice a total of TWELVE?], GIVES A HUNDRED AND FOURTEEN IN ALL." (ibid. p. 89)
If you begin to think and if you know anything at all about the Messiah and His Disciples, a lot of points should begin to be clear! But there is more!!!
Part 4:
The organization had to have some other things to make it legal. Some of them, you should understand would not apply to a PARTY organization, since it would not be in a single location like a real town. But, Yahshua included most of these other items. He rendered to "Caesar" what was "Caesar's." He submitted to the "Seat of Moses" as He later instructed His Disciples to do.
"A scholar should not reside in a city where the following ten things are not found: A court of justice…; A CHARITY FUND collected by two and distributed by three; a Synagogue; public baths; a convenience; a circumciser; a SURGEON (Luke?), A NOTARY, a slaughterer and a school-master." (ibid. p. 89-90)
The above information tells a lot of information to us. The Disciples had a FUND, they also had something else of PRIME IMPORTANCE. It is this part I wish to show you.
When you read the New Testament, have you ever noticed how it seems the writers are observing the scenes? Well, in the beginning, that is exactly what the writers did.
11.6 A LEGAL SET OF MINUTES?
The four "Gospels" were originally written as legal minutes of what was happening, as it happened. How do we know this? Here are several important points. Some we will discuss now.
In the requirement of a city were listed TWO CLERKS. They had a DUTY to do. The first FOUR Disciples the Messiah called were the two "sheriffs" and the two "clerks." Based on actual descriptions and works of these four, I believe that Peter and Andrew acted as the "sheriffs" and that James and John were the "clerks." Remember, John wrote a great deal anyway. Also, it is John who did the final canonization of the New Testament.
Anyway, at the very beginning of His ministry, Yahshua had His two clerks and here is what they did.
"(9) To take down notes for the prosecution and defense, v. infra 37a." (ibid., p. 89)
So they were there to record for LEGAL matters which might arise.
There is another requirement though, and this is probably more important. Yahshua had to have a NOTARY. This is exactly the next person He recruited. It is this notary who recorded, full time, everything Yahshua did and said, AS HE DID THEM!!
First, what did a notary do?
"(3) FOR WRITING SCROLLS, ETC." !!! (ibid, p. 90).
That NOTARY for writing scrolls was required by Jewish law!!! Do you understand the importance of this? It gives great credence to the New Testament writings.
A SCRIBE (SOFERIM) APPEARS!
Most of us read over the gems in the Bible without a second thought. There is one gem that must be brought to our attention. Here it is, and is it ever a startling revelation! I just hope you understand.
"Now Yahshua, when He saw great throngs around Him, gave orders to cross to the other side [of the lake].
"And a SCRIBE [grammateus] came up and said to Him 'Master I WILL ACCOMPANY YOU WHEREVER YOU GO.' And Yahshua said unto him, 'Foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have lodging places; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.'" Matthew 8:18-20 (Amplified)
Scribes, who wrote, are mentioned 62 times in the NT.
Part 5: Most of us have assumed the scribe did not follow the Messiah. However it does not say that. What Messiah actually indicated to the scribe was this. In my work, there will be non-stop hours of work. There will be lots of "overtime" for you, as I cannot stop to rest as others do.
Thus, we have here the SCRIBE that recorded ALL that Yahshua did. And from his records, plus those of James and John, the later Apostles wrote. These were the records that Mark and Matthew relied on to write their "Gospels." I don't know about you, but this is perhaps the most exciting find I have made, other than the most important find -- that of the Messiah's Name being blotted out of the records. However, there is more.
11.7 FURTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR RECORDS
Without much comment, here is a quote of most of Appendix III from Hellenism In Jewish Palestine by Saul Lieberman, The Jewish Theological Seminary of America, N.Y., Copyright 1950.
"The Greek word pinace, writing-tablet, is very common in rabbinic literature. From the second century rabbinic sources it is obvious that the pinace often consisted of more than one tablet…
"Thus, pinace, in rabbinic literature is sometimes identical with codex.
"In ancient Jewish sources the … pinaces, codices, ARE USUALLY SYNONYMOUS WITH RECORDS. To examine one's pinax merely signified to examine one's records. The pinax also contained the record of a business man…
"We have pointed out above that an ancient injunction prohibited the publication in writing of the Oral Law. However, rabbinic sayings and decisions were written down in epistles, in private rolls and, above all, on pinaxes, codices(or single tablets which could subsequently be bound in a codex). Most of the Rabbis who are reported to have put down the Halakhoth of their masters on codices flourished in the first half of the third century. But the practice itself is UNDOUBTEDLY MUCH OLDER…
"Now the Jewish disciples of [Yahshua], in accordance with the general rabbinic practice ('the Seat of Moses'), wrote the sayings which their master pronounced not in form of a book to be published, but
as NOTES in their pinaces, codices, in their note-books (or in private small ROLLS). THEY DID THIS BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE TRANSGRESSED THE LAW." (pp. 203-205)
My friends, there is much more that could be said from this information. But I believe this quote from the Apostle Paul is quite relevant at this point.
"And, these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, THAT YOU MAY LEARN IN US NOT TO THINK BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other." 1 Corinthians 4:6
(Last part. It should be noted that it was required by law to record what a prophet said and put that record in the temple archives.)
As far as I'm concerned. This first video exactly fills in the gap between HWA's Work and the 3 videos placed on "Masonry." HWA was the Messenger of the Gods (Mercurius) who is also the announcer of Trade.......Just like Josephus he was used by the powers that be to announce the New World Order......Which was the American Empire that lasted until 2008 when the Finanial Crisis erupted and most nations withdrew their Gold from the US vaults.....The current collapse of the UNITED NATIONS System (with only the US voting in favor of Israel all the time) is further evidence of the ongoing collapse of the American Empire since the United Nations that Herbert W. Armstrong worked for was nothing short than a US Foreign Policy tool for soft diplomacy (rather than the military option) to manager her Empire (underpinned by the oildollar).
Hence HWA / Mercurius (herberts adonishements that EVERY WORLD LEADER WITH A UNIVERSITY DEGREE) understood........You better yield to "free trade (powered by our dollar) or "the unseen hand" will strike you down....
nck
Well, nck, there are those here who would say to you (present company excluded) that Donald Trump is about to change all of that and lead a revival.
Quick question: What nation or system do you see as filling the void allegedly left by the American Empire and United Nations?
The American Empire seems to be tied to the baby boomers. Things have been going downhill ever since Robert Mitchum (a personal and primary idol) died.
BB
Common BB
It would be "the Times of the Gentiles.
Nck
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