Fake COG Prophet Still Butthurt Over Tina Englebart And Role Of Women In The Church

In 2017, Tina Englebart wrote and had published in The Journal, a series of well-written articles on women in ministry and speaking in church. 

She wrote:

Corinthians 14:34-35. Here are the two verses in the King James Version. “Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience [Gr. hupotasso], as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame [Gr. aischros] for women to speak in church” (Emphasis added). 

First, some observations: The italicized phrase “they are commanded” was an addition by the translators; it is not in the original Greek. Further, hupotasso is more correctly translated “submission” rather than “obedience.” And the word translated as “shame” in verse 35 is the Greek word aischros— the same word translated as “ filthy” elsewhere, as in “ filthy lucre” (1 Timothy 3:8). 

Most churches, and most Churches of God, and Mr. Mokarow say this means women must be silent in the church. UCG specifically said in their paper “The Biblical Role of Women”: “‘ Women should not speak,’ ” that is, preach or teach before the congregation” (emphasis added). It is interesting that women are allowed to sing before the congregation, which is not exactly being silent. … 

There is only one law that specifically forbids women to speak in the assembly — and that is the Oral Law of the Jews, later written down and known as the Talmud. 

What a shame that our churches, in imposing the silence injunction on our women, are actually following the dictates of the Talmud instead of the Apostle Paul!

These comments sent our self-appointed prophet, Bob Thiel, into a major meltdown. Thiel likes nothing better than to mansplain to women why they are not worthy of doing anything in the church. Only masculine he-men like him are to do the work of the church.   

Let me make a few points. 

 

First, while Tina Engelbart is entitled to her opinion about what she thinks the Greek means, the reality is that there is no record of Christian women preaching in either the New Testament nor in early Christian writings. While it is possible that the apostate Simon Magus may have had a female preach, and maybe did some other apostates, people who understood koine Greek at the time apparently did not feel that the Apostle Paul was allowing women to preach. 

 

Second, UCG is correct that women should not be preaching. This is confirmed by the following passage that is in the Bible (hence, even allowing for a different translation of 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, this is not something only to be derived from the Talmud as Tina Engelbart indicates): 

 

11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. (1 Timothy 2:11-12). 

 

Third, as far as the Talmud goes, Tina Engelbart needs to consider that the Jews DID allow women to sing and hence the prohibition they had related to women speaking before the assembly did not include singing. That is the same in the Christian church as well. 

 

In the (improperly named) Continuing Church of God we do not believe that women are to preach.

These comments made by Tina were rehashed by the discredited prophet yesterday due to the Pope's recent announcement that women could perform liturgical duties in the church, i.e. serve in positions of service and read scriptures. That disgusted apostate Thiel to no end. How dare women read bible verses to men!  How dare they!

Women have a certain place in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God and that mainly is in the kitchen, performing secretarial duties, singing occasionally, and do a little writing. The Bobster writes these because this is what his wife is doing for him now. Since he only has 99 caucasian members in the entire North American Continent, his wife has to step up to the plate and do Bobster's dirty work as he is too busy waving his hands and bouncing in his chair and/or posting to his countless blog and news sites where he spreads his disjointed message across on.

In the Continuing Church of God we do not believe that women are to preach nor to read services (although if there are no men available, they can read announcements, etc.). 

 

Women have other roles. Some are deaconesses. Some, for the CCOG, edit, manage websites, manage Facebook pages, do translations, assist with festival planning and coordination, maintain our online radio presence, and/or host groups where we have no males. They also sing, provide music, help put together items related to the Study the Bible Course, and do some writing.

It should come as no shock to those of us on this blog that there are women in the church, and some who post here, that are more Biblically literate about scriptures that the Great Bwana is. They put him to shame.

Perhaps it is time for Bobiniah to repent of his mansplaining and let women preach in his church. They would do a FAR better job and might actually be more interesting than Bobiniah leading them to draw in new members for him. But no, women have a certain place in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God and they need to acknowledge that.

United Church of God Members Living In Fear?

 

Victor Kubik writes in his January 7, Personal From The President:

Let me speak plainly. I know that many in our assembly preferred the current U.S. President and hoped that he would be re-elected. I know that there exist many theories and concerns regarding the veracity of the election process. I personally even warned in previous columns of turbulent times before and after the Nov. 3 election. 

 

Many have been anxious, even fearful, of the outcome of a complete switch of political power at the federal level in the United States. People living in the United States generally enjoy what others in the world regard as a prosperous, even luxurious life. We living in America have been the recipients of multiple and sustained blessings—both physical and spiritual—from God. The unparalleled religious freedom in America serves as an extraordinary platform to preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God. Humanly, we don’t want this to change. 

 

Now we have just come through a trying and difficult year of pandemic and economic upheaval. Many hoped for a return to the economic growth and stability of prior years. With the outcome of the election, many feel threatened. 

 

To compound all of this, today’s violence followed news that a runoff election in Georgia had flipped two Senate seats, effectively handing control of the U.S. Senate to the Democratic Party, who already controlled the House of Representatives. For those anxious about the future of the United States, this only heightened their fears. Nothing appears to stand in the way of a godless progressive agenda, further blurring, even eroding, cherished biblical values. 

 

As of Jan. 20, the world will have the uncertainty of a new American president and a dramatic shift in political power that has not occurred since the 19th century. For some, this has further frayed confidence in the national fabric. 

 

But I want to emphasize that we who are humbly privileged to be part of the spiritual assembly of the living God must set aside fear. Regardless of who is president of the United States, president of the People’s Republic of China or president of the Russian Federation, God is still in control!

Not only is it UCG members who are afraid, but even more are also afraid in the Philadelphia Church of God, Restored Church of God, and those 299 caucasian members of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God. Many other OCG groups also whip their members into a frenzy thanks to the conservative leading church leaders. 

COG members have always traditionally dwelled in the conservative areas of politics and if they were allowed to vote would overwhelming would have voted Republican. Several groups openly brag about how they get their news off NewsMax and other right-leaning sites. These are also the same media organizations that they put their advertising on.

The sad thing is that we have professional fear-mongers leading so many of the COG's today that capitalize upon every negative thing they can find. Take away their negativity and they will be whimpering in the corner not knowing what to do as their members might finally be able to enjoy life.

Fear has always been a great motivator in the Church of God. Herbert Armstrong knew how to capitalize upon fear to keep the money flowing in and members compliant. From Ron Weinland, to Dave Pack, to theological bankrupt Bob Thiel, fear is the only thing they can use to keep themselves ever so slightly relevant in the COG movement. 

As Gerald Flurry Descends Further Into Madness He Demands His Follows Fast To Force Their "god" Into Action

 

Heard that PCG has called for a fast so that their god can make true the made-up prophecy that Flurry made of Trump being Jeroboam. If their populace goes with this fast, unaware that they're also wanting to be evicted from their country, at least the US, so that they could go to their Place of Safety based on Flurry's prophecy. Again, they're forcing their god to do this.

This is also a double whammy that Flurry is hoping that something significant will happen either on their most honored Jan 16 HWA death anniversary, never mind that the true God doesn't recognize this for anything since it doesn't even align with His calendar; but PCG is also expecting something to happen on Jan 20, a miracle to keep Trump in office. Gerald Flurry is not so much concerned about Trump staying in office but more about proving him, Flurry, as a prophet. Failure of this prophecy to come to pass will, once and for all, prove Flurry to be a false prophet and would open the door for the exodus of people from PCG.

They will never learn nor will they wake up from this stupid stupor of Armstrong/Flurry worship that they just go along with what they're commanding. They all have really lost their objective thinking and their critical thinking. Are they not thinking that as they go through this fast? Flurry with his minion ministers are also already planning a spin doctor on their messaging in the good chance that Biden is sworn in. May this organization finally implode soon.

Scott Terred

(I give you permission to use my full name)

God's Only True Prophet Suffers Meltdown Today After Being Soundly Rejected By The COG As A Prophet

 

Right on cue, our favorite self-appointed prophet suffered major butthurt today with the post about COG leaders lying. God's most highly favored prophet just CANNOT be a liar, can he....?

Never has the Church of God seen a more insecure prophet in its midst as we have with Bobiniah Thiel. He is in a constant state of butthurt due to all of the rejection and criticism thrown his way. That rejection runs so deep through the U.S and Canada that he can't attract more than 99 followers. Worst of all, the Living Church of God as a church and its membership have wholeheartedly rejected him. When his spiritual daddy, Rod Meredith, turned his back on Bobiniah as a prophet, it was more than he could take. The mental breakdown started with this rejection and has weighed heavily on him ever since.

Bobiniah writes:

Satan does not want people to be in the Kingdom of God.
He wants to dissuade you are others from doing so.
How does he do that?
Through lies and false witnesses.
While you might think you are immune to Satan, remember that the New Testament teaches:

8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, (1 Peter 5:7-9) 

 

Satan does not want you to truly have faith in God or His word.

Satan has to be the most powerful creature in Armstrongism. That dude gets blamed for more stuff than anyone else! Instead of looking inwardly at themselves, their actions and words, COG leaders drag out Satan to cover for their asinine stupidity that they create themselves. Satan is more powerful because they deny the one they are supposed to be following and prostrate themselves at the feet of Moses.

If you think Bobiniah's butthurt is only surface deep, take a look at this:

Some of Satan’s allies at Banned by HWA website continue to post lies about those of us in Continuing Church of God (CCOG) as well as other COGs. 

So Bobiniah, you acknowledge that Meredith was right to lie about Leona Mcnair, that Dave Pack is not a liar, that Ron Weinland is not a liar and most assuredly Gerald Flurry is not a liar. Everything that people post about these guys is just a satanic conspiracy to stop people from joining up with their churches. Thanks for clarifying that.

That is consistent with Satan’s hope as he is called the “accuser of the brethren” which he does do day and night (Revelation 12:10), so it is no great surprise if his lying human assistants spread lies regularly. 

 

If you are not part of a COG (Church of God), Satan hopes you will dismiss the true Christian faith as a false cult–this is something he and his followers have done throughout history.

The TRUE Christian faith is NOT found in the improperly named "continuing" Church of God. That is a fact. While there may certainly be a few sincere followers of Christ in Africa, they are being blinded by the lies and false teachings of Bobiniah himself. Satan isn't doing it, Bobiniah is!

Then to cover all bases, Bobiniah takes a direct slam against all who believe the Bible and understand it so well that they can easily denounce him as a fraud and a false prophet.

Jesus, Himself, said that people who claimed to believe the Bible often denounced God’s prophets:

11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12)

The butthurt is deep today!

Notice the following evil that was posted at Banned by HWA today:

Bob Thiel has lied to us from day one about God speaking to him in dreams, that he is the only COG doing the work, that he is a prophet, that he is Elisha, Elijah, Zephaniah, Joshua, and many other appropriated personalities (about the only thing left to call himself is Legion). Has Bob ever apologized and will he EVErRapologize for lying to us? 

 

Now the above is false witness from Gary Leonard (the webmaster of the above site and the one who posted that).
Satan hopes you will believe lies.
One of the Ten Commandments is, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20:16).
Yet once again, Gary Leonard has borne false witness.
There is no point in me, Bob Thiel, apologizing for telling the truth.
Gary Leonard and those who believe his lies need to repent.

Bobiniah then goes on with his regular slobber fest about Gaylyn Bonjour supposedly "double blessing him" so he could start a new splinter cult. This is Bobiniah's main proof of his authenticity and the reason behind his rebellion and apostasy from the Living Church of God. 

Bobiniah then writes:

Satan hopes that YOU will be lazy and not believe. Satan hopes YOU will not take the time to check out the truth on this. Satan does NOT want YOU to accept that God really has been providing and fulfilling dreams in the 21st century. Satan wants YOU, like most Christians these days, to be Laodicean and not see if these things are so?

Satan has no part in anyone denying Bobiniah as fulfilling any dream that he or other delusional people have dreamed up. Any rational thinking person can see that Bobiniah is not of God. Confirmation bias is a strong tool of deception in the Church of God and has been used effectively by splinter group leaders for decades. Bobiniah is no exception to this.

Bobiniah just cannot get over the fact that I and most others here DO NOT accept him as a prophet. He then attacks those COG members who don't believe in him by trotting out another scripture as proof of their deception.

Well, although all real Christians claim to believe the Bible, some do not take it all seriously.
Like, for example, the following:

6 “Hear now My words:

If there is a prophet among you,

I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;

I speak to him in a dream. (Numbers 12:6) 

 

Notice that the above says that God will speak to His prophet in a dream.
People may say they believe it, but most Christians do not believe that God has done that with anyone in the 21st century.

Someone, please tell me how this has anything to do with Bobiniah? The New Testament and the words of Jesus make it clear that no more prophets are necessary for the church. People are to place their faith and trust in Jesus and not some self-appointed prophet waving his hands in Grove Beach, CA.

Those who believe the false assertions at the Banned by HWA website are among those that love and practices lies. 

 

Those who do so should repent.

Anyway, what Satan continues to hope is that you will believe lies, not believe that God actually has sent fulfilled dreams to those in the Continuing Church of God, and that you will not look into the details to see if it is so–like the Bereans of old did in Acts 17:10-11.

If you are not part of CCOG, Satan wants you to stay away from it.

He does not want you to be dedicated or noble enough to see if what is written here (and in the related links) is really true.

Can you accept the truth or do you prefer the lying assertions from sites like Banned by HWA?

The truth of the matter, Bobiniah, is that GOD wants NO ONE to be a part of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God. Satan is not keeping anyone away. God is! 

I have no qualms about continuing to expose th lies and falsehoods coming out of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God or any of the other splinter cults out there. Continue to say stupid things and we will hold you and them accountable.

If any of you are interested, you can read the entire Thiel spiel here.

 

Why Are COG Leaders Such Horrendous Liars?

 

Have you ever noticed that in the Church of God telling "the truth" is always publicly deemed the honorable and right thing to do, besides that, it is one of the 10 commandments to not lie? Yet, COG leadership is filled with self-appointed prophets, apostles, chief overseers, pastor generals, multiple Elijah's and Elisha's, and scores of other agents of doom and gloom, and through all of their predictions, sermons, and writings do openly and blatantly lie to the church and the world. 

When caught in their lies and their prophecies that fail, do any of these little men ever apologize for lying to us?

Rod Meredith lied about Leona McNair in front of 700 ministers and their wives at a ministerial conference. She sued him and the Worldwide Church of God. They spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to intimidate her and get the case thrown out. Meredith was found guilty and the church had to pay Leona McNair a huge sum of money, besides paying legal fees.  Did Meredith ever apologize to Leona? Did the WCG ever apologize to Leona?

Dave Pack has repeatedly lied about Christ returning for many years now. He has lied about three COG leaders being killed and all of their followers coming over to join the Restored Church of God.  He has lied about his "all things common" teaching, which is not a new covenant command. Will Dave ever apologize for lying to us?

Ron Weinland has lied for many years about his "christ" returning. Even while sitting in prison with his new "bunkmate" Big Bubba, he continued to send out lies to his few faithful. He lied to us when he said he and his dingy wife Laura will be the two witless witnesses. Will Ron ever apologize for lying to us?

Bob Thiel has lied to us from day one about God speaking to him in dreams, that he is the only COG doing the work, that he is a prophet, that he is Elisha, Elijah, Zephaniah, Joshua, and many other appropriated personalities (about the only thing left to call himself is Legion). Has Bob ever apologized and will he EVER apologize for lying to us?

Gerald Flurry lied about God sending him "Malachi's Message" after plagiarizing it from another source. He has lied that he is following in Herbert Armstrong's footsteps. He has lied about HWA's prayer rock, its significance, and that it will be the new coronation stone that Jesus is returning to. He has made so many false prophecies that even the demonic realm stands in awe of him. He has lied about Trump, Biden, Obama, Clinton, and Bush. He has lied that the Philadelphia Church of God WON the lawsuit for Mystery of the Ages. Flurry has told more lies than I think Dave Pack has. Will Gerald ever apologize for lying to us?

That brings us to Stephen Flurry. I am not even going to get into his book he wrote that was one lie from the first page to the end but will feature a few of his current lies that he and his father are promoting about the Trump/Biden shit show.

Stephen and his dad have been working overtime in stating that Donald Trump will remaining office and that Biden will never be President. Stephen doubled  down with this way of thinking on January 1, 2021, when he stated the following:

The God of the Bible is absolutely trustworthy. When He makes a promise, He keeps it. When He issues a prophecy, you can stake your life on it coming to pass!

I have lived my life by this truth for over four decades. And I have seen God deliver miracle after miracle. Never has God failed to do what He said He will. 

 

Back in November, I wrote an article titled “Why Donald Trump Will Remain America’s President.” This article is based on some prophecies in the Bible, and to this day I remain convicted that it is 100 percent reliable. All the evidence may look contrary, but that doesn’t shake my conviction. God will ultimately stop Joe Biden from being America’s next president. Read that article to see what God prophesied. Those prophecies are sure. Keep your eyes on events, and watch what God does!

No prophecy in the Bible concerns this election, never has and never will. That has not stopped the Flurry clan and tabloid papers in England from attempting to legitimize their nuttiness:

This article understandably garnered quite a bit of attention, even from news sources. It was quoted by the United Kingdom’s Daily Express website, which receives around 100 million visits each month—the UK’s most visited website. In an article titled, “Donald Trump Prophecy: Bible Preacher Claims Trump ‘Will Remain President,’” they wrote: “After a month of failed lawsuits and unsubstantiated cries of electoral fraud, Democrat Mr. Biden looks to have his victory certified on December 14 by the Electoral College. … A popular U.S. evangelist and founder of the Philadelphia Trumpet magazine has announced President Trump will retain his seat in the Oval Office by the grace of God. According to Pastor General Flurry of the Philadelphia Church of God, Mr. Biden’s presidency is contrary to ‘Bible prophecy.’” They then quoted several other portions of my article.

Nothing strokes the prostates of COG leaders more than having worldly people looking to them as bearers of truth. They bask in this glory and actively seek it out (i.e. Bob Thiel). In the eyes of gullible church members, they think this is one more proof from God that their leader is right while everyone else looks at them as being completely nutters.

Then Lil'Stevie goers ballistic:

They then concluded, “According to Stephen Whitmore of the Pepperell Christian Fellowship in Pepperell, Massachusetts, all attempts to foretell the return of Jesus Christ are futile and possibly un-Christian.”

The man they quoted claims to follow Christ. Over a hundred Bible prophecies thunder loudly that Jesus Christ is going to return in this generation! But this so-called Christian says it is un-Christian to talk about the Second Coming! That’s about as mad as any statement you could make about the Bible. This man is spiritually mad! He is insulting God!

I love when all of these little man-boys in leadership positions in various COG's try to be masculine powerful he-men. Even Jesus laughs at their futile attempts!

Lil'Stevie then goes on to make the only truthful statement in the entire article:

Who are you going to believe? Are you going to believe God—or a man?

Why are Church of God members such suckers for the crafty words of these men in COG leadership positions? None of them have ever told us the truth!

As this year progresses on Church of God leaders will continue to lie. They will continue to set dates. They will continue to claim nightmares are dreams sent by "god." They will claim to be prophets, apostles and most likely one of them will soon claim to be Christ on earth. They will do this without even blinking an eye and think they are God's true servants.

I Will Tell You When Christ WIll Return!

 

Fake COG Prophet Claims Youtube Is Preventing His Videos From Going "viral"

 

It's another day in Church of God land and somewhere out there, is a splinter group who is screaming PERSECUTION! 

Satan, being the crafty dude he is, is constantly looking for ways to stop COG splinter groups from getting their message out. Satan is particularly ticked off with our very own homemade, self-ordained and self-appointed prophet, apostle, Elisha, Bwana Bob - the great savior of Africa and 299 Caucasian members.

This time Satan is using Youtube to thwart the greatest work that God has ever sent to earth since the dawn of humankind. Satan is ANGRY! ANGRY, I say!  ANGRY! 

Because of that anger, which directed towards Bwana Bob, the end time Bobiniah, the truths of Bobiniah are being throttled back by Satan's TV Network, Youtube.

"Starting a few weeks ago, we began experiencing a type of censorship on both the ContinuingCOG (sermons) and BNP (sermonettes) YouTube channels. 

 

The speed of both uploading and downloading on these two channels has been throttled back to about 3% of its previous available speed. Uploads and downloads that previously took about 30 seconds are now taking 16-20 minutes each. When testing with other youtube channels, we see no speed degradation. It seems that we have been singled out for some special attention. Initially, we thought that this was limited to just the uploading and downloading of videos. If that were the case, it would have little impact on our use of YouTube. However, it seems that this throttling affects the entire channel including the bandwidth required for viewers to watch videos. 

 

What does this mean? Well, it would seem that given the bandwidth limitation, perhaps only 1 or 2 people can view videos on our channels simultaneously without speed / quality issues. Once 3 or more people are watching simultaneously, they would begin to experience speed or quality issues. A typical listener experiencing video quality issues might just stop watching and move on.

There is no reason for this channel behavior other than we are being quietly censored. This is especially pernicious in that this implementation has the effect of limiting viewers of our content while doing so in a way intended to go unnoticed. As such, it is another form of shadow banning. 

"Bill told me he could not believe it at first, but the more he looked into this and did some tests, the more convinced he was that YouTube has intentionally been making it more difficult for people to watch us."

"But I have been convinced that what YouTube has been doing has prevented our videos going ‘viral’ in 2020."

How dare Youtube throttle down the greatest preacher the COG has ever had! For shame! I just cannot understand how they cannot see that the Great Bwana is God's heaven-sent messenger to the world. It is SHOCKING! Do they not realize that NOT ONE SINGLE COG is doing the work now, except for the Great Bwana - He who is called Bobiniah?

As the church that best represents the Philadelphian remnant, we go through doors that Jesus opens (Revelation 3:7-8), while realizing that some doors can also close (Revelation 3:7). 

 

Or, to use an American expression, we try to turn lemons (representing a sour event) into lemonade (representing a sweet result). 

 

The various platforms we are on are all part of our efforts as we work to fulfill Matthew 24:14, Romans 11:23-25, Romans 9:28, Ezekiel warnings, and Matthew 28:19-20. 

 

Despite the fact that places like YouTube are not heeding warnings in the word of God (cf. (Isaiah 30:8-14), we continue to utilize many methods to reach those that we can.

Restored Church of God: If You Are Considering it - RUN AWAY As Fast As you Can

 

Is Your Pride Stopping You From Recognizing And Following The True Prophet?

 

It's another day in our crazy world and the Church of God. Our favorite self-appointed prophet and savior to the African continent has posted one of the most idiotic things possible in the last couple of days.

The Great Bwana to Africa and leader of 299 caucasian members, worldwide, has posted a story about how "pride" is causing COG members and ex-members from recognizing him as a true prophet of God.

 The holistic pill peddling Dr. Thiel also drags out Norm Edwards as a legitimate source of information about pride. Norm, as you may recall, set himself up as the great preserver of truth that he supposedly received under Herbert Armstrong. Norm's theology is as skewed and erroneous as Bob Thiel's and Dave Pack's and should not be considered "truth" by anyone. Norm was also one of the failures on the board of Global Church of God where he and the rest of the inept board members led to the demise of the GCG and the formation of Living Church of God. He also set up a community in Point Austin, MI that turned out to a total disaster with backstabbing, property theft, lawsuits, and more. If any of you remember Homer Kizer, he is the one who went after Edwards. The community Edwards set up for recovering addicts always had problems and was always in financial straits due to the fact that none of the COG groups supported him and very few members did. Port Austin is now being used to house Puerto Rican employees of Huron Casting.

Prophet Bob quotes Edwards to prop his crown up with this:

"With dozens of New Testament Scriptures explaining and encouraging the ongoing prophecy in the New Testament and with no scriptures clearly declaring its end, one must conclude that prophets and prophecy are something that God wants for His Church today!"

"In this 21 st century, most who call themselves Christian neither observe the Sabbath nor seek prophets or prophecies in their congregations. A few teach and practice one or the other. Only a tiny fraction accepts both. 

 

The single biggest difficulty in acquiring any truth, no matter how valuable, is overcoming our own human pride. It is very difficult to accept that we have been wrong about something for many years— especially when we have been right on other things. The lessons of the books of Kings and Chronicles come to mind. Each king’s life is frequently summed up in a single statement— explaining what he did right and where he fell short. If we hunger and thirst for God as King David did (Psalm 63:1; 107:9), we can receive all that he has for us—and obtain a good report (Acts 22:12; Hebrews 11:2, 39)." 

 

"Finally, for members of a church group with a doctrinal statement that is decades or centuries old, growth is rarely quick or even possible. Both religious and civil leaders struggle with prophets today for the same reason they did in the Old and New Testaments. The prophets speak for God, not for the religious or civil leaders of the day. People who always prophesy what the leaders want are probably false prophets. 

 

This writer heard a church leader put forth this argument against prophets in the church: “If there are real prophets today, then we could ask them and know for sure when Christ will come back. But the Bible says that no man knows that time, so there cannot be prophets today.” We should never underestimate God. He is quite able to not answer the questions we do not need answered now. Jesus already explained this leader’s question: 

 

Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth” (Acts 1:6-8)."

"One of the most dangerous things we can do is begin thinking we already have everything important (Revelation 3:17-19). We must forever be humble before God and realize that He is bringing about His will. He is not there to back up our will or the policies of our church group. He also knows when is the right time to teach each truth to each person. Even Jesus could not teach His apostles everything at once: 

 

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now” (John 16:12)."

Bobiniah Bob continues with more quotes from Edwards (you can read them all here) and then adds this to supposedly impress us with his ungodly self-appointment:

Norman Edwards was the editor for Shepherd’s Voice magazine. He is not part of the Continuing Church of God, where, I function as its human leader (and am an ordained prophet; the only known such ordained prophet in any legitimate Church of God group). 

 

While Norman Edwards and I have long disagreed about aspects of church governance and various matters of doctrine, we both agree that many who are in or claim to be in the Church of God (COG) wrongly do not accept that God has any prophets today and that Laodicean pride gets in the way. We also agree that most have severe difficulty identifying one who really is a prophet because of various unscriptural biases and improper criteria that they have.

Do you realize that you are blinded to the role of prophets due to the lies of Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry? Their foolishness is what is causing you to not believe Bobiniah Bwana Elisha Thiel is the only true COG prophet alive today. Shame on you!

The deluded prophet goes on to list 42 points as to why he is a legitimate prophet with the truth. Where would COG leaders and ministers be today without their bullet point lists? Those lists appear because the leaders cannot form concise thoughts into a simple statement. 

How dare any of you use your rational thought process and prove Bobiniah wrong! How dare you! Besides, he now has the Living Church of God and the United Church of God endorsing him as a true prophet! I am sure this is news to both groups since both groups denounce him and have never endorsed him.

Some will come up with their preferred rationale as why not to agree with the position of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) on these matters. Yet not only is CCOG’s position biblical, it should be noted that leaders in the Living Church of God and/or the United Church of God confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on all the above points, despite the fact that their respective churches hold to several of the errors pointed out above. Those who rely too much on a compromised ministry (Ezekiel 34:7-10) to teach them prophecy that is not truly in accordance with scripture need to realize that according to Jesus’ words in Revelation 2 & 3 and Luke 21, only relatively few Christians will be protected from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world. 

 

As Norman Edward’s article points out, it is scriptural to now have prophets according to the New Testament. But many who truly believe that they live by the word of God have discounted or overlooked what the Bible actually teaches and/or have been influenced by others who have done the same or worse. The COG has at least one demonstrably true prophet today, yet most in the greater COG world seem to be able to ignore the truth about that, like most ignored John the Baptist and others in their day. 

 

Pride is a bigger problem for Christians than most realize.

Bobiniah Thiel is right about one thing though:

 

Dave Pack and the worship of the Wadsworth campus that is filled with occult symbolism

 

Dave Pack: Its Time To End His Reign Of Terror

 

Dave Pack, in a desperate attempt to cover his ass after saying so many ludicrous things, has got his little lap poodles in Wadsworth on a seek and destroy mission against those who make fun of him and his lies. Dave's lap poodles have succeeded with Youtube in getting any videos critical of him that use excerpts of his sermons shut down, even though Fair Use laws are applicable. 

Dave and his lap poodles have no control over BITCHUTE though and all of the previous videos critical of Dave Pack and his cult can be found there as they will all be uploaded there soon.

DeeBunker - All things Dave Pack and Restored Church of God

Satan Attacks Dave Pack - Further Delaying Return of "christ"

 

The craziness continues in Wadsworth. I bet "christ" is getting pretty ticked off right now with all the delays.

Update: Upcoming Bible Study  YESTERDAY

By now everyone would have heard Mr. Pack’s Special Comments from this past Sabbath and the announcement made for an upcoming Bible Study that was planned for today.

Please be aware that this message will now be postponed to later this week because Mr. Pack lost his voice during the last two days. This is something to pray about, but also understand God may be orchestrating the timing of when this important message is delivered.

As God’s people we trust that He is in control of prophecy as a whole, and the timing of events.

We will keep you posted about when the message will be delivered this week.

Keep watching world events as they unfold.

Dave Pack Sinks to Another Low: Wants Members Stimulus Checks

 

Every time you think Dave Pack and his cult can't sink any lower, they do. Now they are asking their loyal followers to send Dave their pathetic $600.00 stimulus check. Now that his creature christ has embarrassingly failed to return and this week has not descended yet into terror, Dave is looking to keep the money flowing into Wadsworth.

From an RCG source:

Many members that are U.S. residents have already received or are expecting a second Economic Impact payment from the IRS. Again, those of you who are employed, able, and wish to give a special offering should indicate so when making a contribution. To help the Business and Accounting office distinguish it from regular tithes and offerings, we ask that you please designate it as "special".

As before, your generosity will help offset the impact on members affected by the pandemic and currently unable to give as normal due to economic hardship. We thank you in advance and welcome any questions at bao@rcg.org.

The Holy Child Who Resides In The PCG

In the Church of God history, there have been few sons of leaders that ever made their father proud and where they became second in command in their father's work.  Garner Ted did for a while till he couldn't keep his pants zipped and then turned on his father. Rod Meredith's boys (from both marriages) have been absolute failures when it comes to morality and leadership skills and were so bad Meredith had to bring in Gerald Weston. Dave Pack's boys left the church their father started. Joseph Tkach's son went on to lead the Worldwide Church of God into a new version of the church that no one ever imagined.

This brings us to Stephen Flurry, the most holy child of Gerald Flurry. A man/boy so significant that PCG youth are told the amazing story on how Lil Stevie read Malachi's Message and the heavens opened up for him and his mind was opened to the truth. To this day, Herbert W Armstrong College takes its students and church youth to Robbers Cave where they commemorate this historically spiritual event. They even gaze in awe at the cabin Lil'Stevie stayed in during that glorious time when the angels in heaven rejoiced at the lost child returning to the father.

As God was revealing Malachi’s Message, my children were at Ambassador College in Pasadena, California—my daughter, Laura, in her senior year; my son, Stephen, in his freshman year. That was where I felt they could get the best education on this Earth. But I became increasingly uneasy as I detected the wrong direction the leaders were taking God’s Church. Both of them were alerted to problems in the Church. I convinced Stephen to continue his education at the Ambassador campus at Big Sandy, Texas, closer to where I was in Oklahoma. 

 

That summer, on his way to Big Sandy, my son visited us in Oklahoma. I picked him up at the airport and took him immediately to our July 14 weekend church campout at Robber’s Cave, Okla. (My son was keeping a diary at the time, and recorded these events.) It was a tense weekend, because I had a rough draft of Malachi’s Message with me that I had decided to share with my son. When I gave it to him on that Sabbath, he was the first to see it, and I was very concerned about how he would respond. 

 

Some others in the Church were already suspicious about what I was doing. Stephen was also slightly unsure of where I was spiritually and didn’t read my manuscript immediately (on July 15)—he didn’t want to be accused of blindly following his dad. 

 

We need to remember that Mr. Armstrong had provided strong leadership in the Church for 57 years. We were usually suspicious of anybody who spoke against Church headquarters—that includes me! Anybody who left the Church in that period was considered to be rebelling against God. Also, Stephen’s teachers at Ambassador College had been teaching against “heretics.” 

 

So I waited in vain, and rather tensely, on that Sabbath day for my son to read Malachi’s Message.
Finally, my son read the rough draft of Malachi’s Message on Sunday, July 16, 1989—exactly 3½ years after Mr. Armstrong died! My son was positive in what he said, but he didn’t say much. I could tell he had been sobered by what he read. The sanctuary had already been cleansed, but it took a few months before that rain began to reach beyond the altar, or ministry.

For me to give Malachi’s Message to my son placed a heavy responsibility on him. I knew this was going to be a test for my son. When something like that happens, we have to make the right decision! Clearly, the way God viewed it, that was a far more significant moment than it would have appeared. 

 

Young people, realize: My son really wrestled with that choice—as probably any unbaptized person would have. He loved college, yet here was his dad doing something that many members dismissed as rank rebellion! God made him choose—just as He makes each of us choose. It would have been so easy to turn away from God at that point and to miss all the blessings. But if we make the right choice, God can accomplish tremendous things in our lives! We must always strive to get ourselves out of the way and let God lead us.  

In the summer of 1992, three years after my son made that choice, I received the understanding that Malachi’s Message was actually the “little book” spoken of in the 10th chapter of Revelation. (This truth is explained in our free booklet The Little Book.) I first delivered this revelation at our Philadelphia Youth Camp that summer. That is the only time I have given new revelation to a group of unbaptized young people. I didn’t make that choice, God did!  Gerad Flurry: Robbers Cave And New Revelation

As I mentioned above, students go to Robbers Cave every year to commemorate this historical event. 

Robbers Cave in Wilburton, Oklahoma (Grant Turgeon) 

 

Robbers Cave can provide any number of things for Herbert W. Armstrong College students: a much-needed rest from the rigors of college life, a respite from the bustle of our interconnected society, time for reflection on the site’s integral role in the Philadelphia Church of God’s history, appreciation for creation, strong bonds within the college family, an improved relationship with God, or a life-turning point. Never mind the lack of heating, “actual beds,” or pleasant shower conditions, as some might point out. What's it like at 'Robbers Cave'

In England/Scotland they have "Robbers Cave Sunday"

‘Robbers Cave’ in Galloway, Scotland (Paris Turgeon) 

 

We got back from ‘Robbers Cave’ Sunday evening. It’s odd calling it that because comparatively, it was nothing like our usual Oklahoma Robbers Cave experience. I could go into detail about how we had heat and actual beds, and that I didn’t have to wear flip-flops in the shower, etc., but that seems unfair. I will just say that it was a different experience—a wonderful, beautiful, mesmerizing experience.

Idolatry is nothing new in the Philadelphia Church of God, but the absurdity of this is hilarious. It would be like Bob Thiel having a Feast site in Arroyo Grande where everyone comes to his home and stares at the holy place he has his dreams and thumps his big fat bible. The sad thing is that there are enough stupid people in his church that would do that.

EDMOND—“So what do you think?” the minister asked when his son paused while reading the manuscript. “Well, that definitely will get you fired,” his son responded.” It was July 1989, and the young 19-year-old was on a Y.E.S. camping trip with his father at Robbers Cave in southeastern Oklahoma during the summer break. But this turned out to be more than your everyday summer camping excursion. It became a pivotal moment in the history of God’s Church and marked Robbers Cave State Park as an important historical location for the Philadelphia Church of God.

Right there, in that cabin at Robbers Cave Campsite Number One, the revelation in Malachi’s Message was being shared for the first time. After the death of Mr. Armstrong, the Worldwide Church of God was being torn apart; yet off in remote rural Oklahoma, the first person besides Mr. Gerald Flurry was learning God’s revelation about what was really happening.

“I think I still have the first manuscript I received after we printed the first 1,000 [copies of Malachi’s Message ],” Mr. Stephen Flurry said. “But as for that stack of typewritten papers he handed me that weekend at Robbers Cave, I’m not sure where those ended up.”

“Its content certainly rang true,” he wrote in Raising the Ruins, “it was inspiring in fact—but I couldn’t yet commit to accepting the material without first digging into Mr. Armstrong’s foundational teachings. [My dad] agreed the content would undoubtedly get him fired. But believing it was from God, he fully intended to deliver the message to church leaders in Pasadena.”

The manuscript indeed got then-Preaching Elder Gerald Flurry fired on Dec. 7, 1989. The Philadelphia Church of God was raised up less than five months after Malachi’s Message was first delivered to his son at that wooded campsite. Because of this history-shaping event, Robbers Cave has become a significant landmark for the pcg. Herbert W. Armstrong College has retreated to the campsite almost every year since 2002, and Mr. Stephen Flurry has never missed a campout.

Every year, he returns to the campsite with his family and dozens of others whose lives were also changed by that book he was the first to read nearly 25 years ago: Malachi’s Message.
A Significant Hisotoric Landmark

All of this is made even more pathetic considering Gerald Flurry stole the entire book from Jules Dervaes who was widely distributing it in Pasadena in 1986.  See: The Letter to Laodicea

Just like everyone else in Armstrongism, new and upcoming COG leaders do not have an original concept in their heads and have to plagiarize or rewrite other's booklets and articles. Gerald Flurry is particularly crafty in this.

PCG worships a stupid book that they say has a rightful place next to the Bible, alongside Mystery of the ages. PCG, like most other COG's place their emphasis upon the holy words of their prophets and apostles and shove Jesus onto the back burner where he stays until Passover each year when they reluctantly drag him out so they can crucify him over and over year after year. Then, as soon as Passover is over, he goes back into the closet in the local Masonic Lodge or some school gym, where he remains hidden till the following year where he is seldom ever mentioned again. 

Every day we wake up the COG sinks further into madeness.

COG prophet says that a 'voice' confirmed to him that we are in the final phase of the work

With all of the insanity going down in Wadsworth, Ohio with the imminent return of Christ, we can easily forget that out here on the West Coast we have an equally disturbed little man who is preparing for the final phase of the work, just as Dave is. Both men are being consumed by visions dancing in their heads, both of which interpret as coming from their god.

It has been fun watching our favorite self-appointed prophet to the COG, the Great Bwana to Africa, and savior of 99 white Americans talk about all of the dreams he has as if God delivered them to him. His latest is trit and silly yet he thinks it is spiritually significant to write about it and impress  his African members:

As the Bobiniah travels around back from the depths of Africa (at least we assume it was him, if not, he is being sneaky and using someone else's story) his god intervened at the airport. Such a magical god!  

Just like Jeremiah, our Bobiniah says he must ell his dream, just like the prophets of old did. 

The Bible teaches that unlike with Moses, God speaks to His prophets in a dream (Numbers 12:6-8). 

 

I am writing this section from Doha, Qatar on December 28, 2020. 

 

After going to bed on the night of December 26, 2020, I had a dream. 

 

Because of airline connection issues, I was concerned whether or not I would be able to make the flight to Qatar. 

 

In my dream, there were complications that made it look like I might not make the connecting flight. In the dream the complications were stressful, but without details. In the dream I prayed about this. I also prayed that if this trip and other trips I have made related to behind-the-scenes aspects of the final phase of the work was God’s will, that: 1) if there were stressful problems which looked like might cancel the trip 2) that I would make my connection to Qatar, and 3) that I would pass negative for the airport required COVID test. 

 

(I did not want to be quarantined for two weeks in the event of a false positive. Recently, CCOG evangelist Evans Ochieng got a false positive COVID test which delayed his ability to fly back to Kenya from Malawi.) 

 

Fulfillment? 

 

As it turned out, there were two different people with two different, yet seemingly very serious, health issues on that first flight, which delayed it. It looked like one or both of them (they were not related) may need to be taken off the flight or even treated on the ground as some came aboard the flight related to each of them. While their situations appeared treatable, I was concerned that this may cause me to miss the connection to Qatar, so I began to make contingency plans (as one flight I was on years ago was delayed over 10 hours because of a health-concern of one passenger). Anyway, today was the best time to go on this trip as far as a lot of details were concerned. Plus because how short the trip was, I would have had to completely cancel it if I missed the connecting flight to Qatar. Yet, although my first plane left late, I was able to make the connection. 

 

So, since the first two parts of the dream were confirmed, I strongly suspect that the dream was from God.

Jeremiah was inspired to write:

28 The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream; (Jeremiah 23:28) 

 

That is why I am doing so. 

 

Slightly before midnight, I got my required COVID test.

The next day the prophet is agonizing over the test results and BAM! he has another dream from his god as he was on the final leg of his trip where he was preparing the groundwork for the final push of his church into getting its message to the world...or more of Africa since no one else cares about him.

December 29, 2020

It is now December 29, 2020. I have been wondering about the results of my COVID test as they were delayed. I had been told that they were supposed to take five or six hours, but instead after thirteen hours they have not arrived. 

 

So, I wondered if perhaps something was wrong and perhaps the results would say I had COVID-19. I was NOT worried about the disease itself (as I have successfully treated several with it), but was concerned about God’s will for something I believed His Spirit, consistent with John 16:11-12, led me to do. I did not want to be working on something of my imagination, but wanted to be sure that the groundwork we were doing was what God wanted us to do. 

 

Anyway finally, after much waiting I got the results of my COVID test. 

 

It was negative. And on this trip I was able to accomplish some things that I believe will have long-term impact on the final phase of the work. 

Yes, brethren, this is how Bobiniah's god operates today as it sends dreams to his chosen one.  With the multitude of problems in this world,  the suffering of real Christian martyrs in Iraq, India, and elsewhere, this god chooses to send dreams like this to Bobiniah. This is truly an awesome god! 

So, yes I believe that the dream did come from God. 

 

Should I have not known before it was fully confirmed? 

 

Not necessarily. The VAST MAJORITY of dreams are not from God, even if they have some accuracy. 

 

Notice also what the prophet Jeremiah wrote:

6 And Jeremiah said, “The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 7 ‘Behold, Hanamel the son of Shallum your uncle will come to you, saying, “Buy my field which is in Anathoth, for the right of redemption is yours to buy it.”‘ 8 Then Hanamel my uncle’s son came to me in the court of the prison according to the word of the Lord, and said to me, ‘Please buy my field that is in Anathoth, which is in the country of Benjamin; for the right of inheritance is yours, and the redemption yours; buy it for yourself.’ Then I knew that this was the word of the Lord. (Jeremiah 32:6-8) 

 

So, even though Jeremiah wrote that the word of the Lord had come to him, he was not certain until it came to pass. 

 

Now that that all three parts of the dream were confirmed (which reminded me what happened with Gideon for him to do a certain aspect of God’s work involving him and others: Judges 6:36-40), I consider that God has confirmed that the behind-the-scenes aspects of the final phase of the work we have been working on for many years was God’s will and should continue. 

 

Essentially, this has to do with making mainly low-level contacts with leaders and others on most of the continents of the world which I have long believed will assist in future aspects of the final phase of the work that God wanted done. 

 

While the latest overall trip accomplished much of what we felt needed to happen, one thing I can share was a meeting I had hoped to have with CCOG interested parties from Algeria in Qatar did not happen because of COVID and travel issues–but perhaps God will open the door to Algeria in a different way. Jesus often opens doors (cf. Revelation 3:7-13) in ways we do not always expect.
For those wondering about CCOG and Israel, some behind-the-scenes work has included contacts with Jewish leaders in Israel as well. And, it may be one or more in Israel that will become the first of those that will go from ‘behind-the-scenes’ to public in the next few years. 

Anyone who does not believe in Bobiniah's dreams is NOT a Christian.  

While the elements of this dream will not seem dramatic enough for most who call themselves Christian, God sometimes goes with “a still small voice” (1 Kings 19:11-12). And that “voice” (via a confirmed dream) confirmed for me to continue what I have considered to be long-term aspects of the final phase of the work. 

 

Yes, even if not dramatic enough for many, God said He would use dreams in the last days(Acts 2:16-17) and has been doing so within the CCOG.