Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all!

For those Armstrongites who will not be eating halal Butterballs, this ones for you:

The Beast Power: "...is some kind of Catholic"

Besides worrying about halal turkeys, Prophet Thiel has bigger fish to fry.  He is on his Beast Power trip with Karl Guttenberg today.  Guttenberg was the German who moved to Connecticut recently that whipped Thiel into an end times frenzy. He is a spy in our midst gaining intelligence secrets from society around him that he can use later when Germany invades the country.

Today, Thiel lists several points on why Gutenberg may be the Beast of Revelation:

Here are 23 items to consider as to why Karl zu Guttenberg could possibly fill the role that he now seems to be advocating:

1. Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg is a leader from middle Europe and has a Franco-German/Assyrian bloodline.
2. He has a military background.  The Beast of Revelation 13 is shown to be a military political leader.
3. He is considered to have some economic expertise.
4. He is an extremely popular politician (he was the most popular in Germany in early and late 2010).
5. He is considered an expert on foreign policy.
6. He was “Minister of Defence” for Germany.
7. He is some type of Catholic.
8. Because he is married to a Lutheran (and she apparently did not convert prior to marriage), he apparently is not super strict about being Catholic (some other news reports I have seen also seem to confirm this in other ways as well).
9. His wife also has political connections, and has made several public  “morality statements”.  Hence suggesting that the Guttenbergs represent the moral high ground in Germany.
10. He seems to have ecumenical tendencies, and that is what the “Great Monarch” of Catholic prophecies and the final Beast of Revelation would likely have.
11. He is a descendant of the Habsburg line of rulers (the Emperors of the Holy Roman Empire were from the Habsburg line).
12. He may be considered to be entitled to use the “King of Jerusalem” title that Otto von Habsburg held.
13. Charlemagne was a Frank-German leader and “Holy Roman Emperor”.  Certain Catholic prophecies indicate that the “Great Monarch” will be a descendant of Charlemagne.
14. His blood line crosses into various countries in Europe (at least Germany, France, Austria, Liechtenstein, and Croatia).
15. He has the right to select the priest for his parish.  Hence, the idea that political leaders should be involved with religion is something he was raised up believing. A leader combining church and state is prophesied in Daniel 11:37-38 and Revelation 13.
16. The understanding that his title means “Baron of the Holy Roman Empire” is interesting as the Book of Revelation describes a power that would resemble a re-emergence of “the Holy Roman Empire” and Catholic prophecy specifically tells of a time when “The Great King will be crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the reigning Pope” (Birch DA. Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before During and After Antichrist. Queenship Publishing Company, Goleta (CA), 1996,, p. 555).
17. The fact that he has been the most popular political leader in Germany suggests that he has a certain charisma that would be consistent with that which is expected for the final Beast leader (cf. Daniel 7:20,11:21-24,31; Revelation 13:3-5).
18. He is believed to careful cultivate his public image, which seems consistent with the cunning (Daniel 8:25) and other practices of the final Beast leader (Daniel 11:36-38).
19. Because a Catholic monarchist relative (Karl Ludwig Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg) of his was involved in a plot against Hitler in 1944 (and killed for it in April 1945), he may be perceived as less of a threat than others with a German background.
20. He is considered to be a smooth talking attractive leader.
21. Some of his entertainment actions suggest that beneath his exterior he may have certain “vile” tendencies (cf. Daniel 11:21). His plagiarism scandal seems consistent with this as well.
22. He is in a type of self-imposed exile and Catholic prophecy indicates that the Great Monarch is supposed to have a period of exile.
23. He has risen to powerful positions quite quickly.  And may do that again.

What is even more worrisome to the Prophet is that Guttenberg's wife wants the German state to take precedence in child abuse cases instead of waiting for the Catholic Church to rectify the situation.  Given the abysmal record of the Catholic Church in handling this child abuse scandals, I guess Thiel prefers that more children be abused while the Catholic Church tries to handle it.

To slightly expand on point 14, notice the following news account that suggests his wife’s attitude is that the state is above the Catholic church:

…Stephanie zu Guttenberg, the head of a leading child protection group and wife of Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, who called on the state to get tougher on abuse rather than leave it to the Church…Guttenberg, who is the German president of the anti-abuse group Innocence in Danger, said the state could not leave it to the Church alone to pursue abuse.
“Priests and clergymen are citizens of the Federeral {sic} Republic of Germany. And if a citizen here commits a crime, then that must be punished through the institutions of the state,” she told reporters at a fundraising event Monday evening. (Minister calls for abuse compensation. The Local: German News in English, 9 Mar 10. http://www.thelocal.de/national/20100309-25745.html viewed 03/09/10)

So, if Baron Guttenberg has a similar attitude to his wife, he may feel that the state has the obligation to be above the Catholic church–a view that seems consistent with one that the King of the North has (cf. Daniel 11:36-38).

 When he became part of the Washington-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies, Baron Guttenberg acquired new contacts in the USA that he is likely to use politically in future. And since there is at least one major Israeli leader in the same think tank, this may influence him enough so that he possibly can fulfill the prophecies Daniel 9:26-27 (which he may do directly, or perhaps only through confirmation indirectly).

Whether he is the one or not the one to fulfill the biblical prophecies to be the final King of the North, I believe that the Baron’s scandal earlier this year and his current self-imposed ‘exile’ appear to be consistent with certain non-biblical prophecies about a leader commonly referred to as the Great Monarch and possibly biblical prophecies concerning the Beast, the final King of the North.

Thiel concludes his article in typical COG fashion. After decades of failed prophecies and outright lies by Meredith and others, Thiel overs his butt by ending his entry with this:

On the other hand, it is possible that Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg could simply be a normal politician, with ups and downs like many others. We will see.

I guess Thiel wants to make sure that when Germany invades the country that they don't head straight to Arroyo Grande to imprison him and his family.  Oh wait, they will be in the Marriott at Petra.  How silly of me!

COGers Worried Over Butterball Turkeys That Have Been Killed According to Muslim Halal Standards

Leave it to Prophet Thiel to have such an absurd posting on his blog today.  I still never cease to be amazed at the stupid things that occupy Armstrognite believers minds.  Imagine a turkey taking precedence over the words of Jesus.  Oh wait, this is Armstrongism, after all......

One of his readers, most likely another LCGer, sent him an article that claims Butterball turkeys are killed according to halal specifications. But then you have to take the source of this news story.  For some reason COGers love to read World Net Daily as a news source.

Anyway, here is the blurb this reader sent to Thiel:

America’s favorite meal may be secretly dedicated to Allah…

Customer service representatives from Butterball, one of America’s most popular Turkey brands, confirmed to WND that the company’s whole turkeys are – without being labeled as such – slaughtered according to Islamic “halal” standards…Multiple phone representatives at Butterball confirmed the turkeys are slaughtered according to halal standards, and one named Tracy (she declined to give her last name) further confirmed the words of Islamic dedication are spoken over the birds.  Has your Thanksgiving turkey been sacrificed to idols? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=370177#ixzz1eRWF91z4

Then the Prophet asks the questions if Christians should eat such meat.

Presuming that WND is correct, this does seem to be a bit unusual.  Perhaps I should add that the above article also states that Butterball is not the only company that allows Islamic prayers over turkeys (there also may be Islamic prayers over other slaughtered animals as well).

Some people find such practices offensive.  And it does show that there is increased Islamic influence in the USA.

But should Christians be willing to eat such meat?

The Prophet responds that it is OK to eat the turkey as long as you do not offend your guests if you tell them that a Muslim prayed over the turkey.  He uses Paul as his defense:

4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.
9 But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. 10 For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols? 11 And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? 12 But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble. (1 Corinthians 8:4-13)
27 If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This was offered to idols,” do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience’ sake; for “the earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness.” (1 Corinthians 10:27-28)

I am glad that is all settled!  Now I don't have to throw out my Butterball turkey!.  As if I would anyway!