Saturday, May 4, 2013

Dave Pack Talks About Meredith, Weinland, Flurry: "None should follow such men to the kitchen, never mind the kingdom!"







Dave Pack writes in his latest Friday blog posting about the coming reunification of ALL 700 some splinter groups of Armstrongism.  These groups are all scheduled to fall apart later this year, in addition to three splinter group leaders dying as Pack has prophesied.  When these three leaders die, all of their members will unanimously jump ship to Dave's fledgling group with all of their money.

Dave writes:

As mentioned in last Friday’s announcement, many of God’s people are becoming excited about the prospect of coming back together. For decades, brethren have lamented that they are divided into competing groups. Most have probably asked at some point, “Is this scattering God’s will? Why would God allow us to be attending in so many organizations?” .....The feeling of nostalgia for the “old days” remains strong among most of God’s people. They want things “the way they used to be.”
Why in the hell would anyone want to go backwards to the "good old glory days?"  Why be abused all over again?  That mentality does not work in the 21st century.  It will never attract new younger members let alone draw in older ones.

Dave goes on trying to prove his point about reunification:

"...what has not been known until now is that God also recorded that an end-time regathering of His people into one organization would occur. But what has not been known until now is that God also recorded that an end-time regathering of His people into one organization would occur."

No Dave, the blithering idiots of Armstrongism never could understand this unique prophecy until YOU came along and God spoon fed it to you.  We know the drill. YOU are the most IMPORTANT man to ever be born on this earth who now leaders the world's most important church.  You are The Man!

Dave next writes:

Most in the world who write about the Bible do not realize that this Book interprets itself. Mr. Armstrong certainly understood this, and this is why God could reveal through him the true meaning of prophecy that he could make so plain to readers and brethren.

Um, Dave...news flash....any man or woman attending ANY seminary or theological school understand that scripture usually interprets itself.  That has been standard knowledge for thousands of years and is not something that HWA suddenly had revealed to him.

If HWA really had the "truth" revealed to him about prophecy they why have over 200 some documented prophecies he uttered FAILED?  Why has every prophecy by Hoeh, McNair, Blackwell, and Meredith made over the decades failed?  Not one single one has ever come true!  That pattern will not change with you either.  700 some splinter groups of the Church of God now exist because of the epic failures of COG leaders.  When one leader fails a "smarter" man comes along and says he has better knowledge and the sheeple go with him till he fails. They cycle goes on and on.

Of course Dave has the perfect answer to this delima.  All COG ministers and leaders are ignorant, he claims.

While prophecy can be made easy to understand, most ministers in the Worldwide Church of God never took the time to truly master the established correct sequence of end-­time events in order to make it easy and interesting to their pastorates. These men were ignorant (and some woefully so) of even the basics, and were generally left to almost completely avoid teaching a full third of the Bible—the correct understanding and flow of prophecy. Tragically, this is not only true of most ministers and brethren today, it has grown worse because so many in the splinters have ingested false understanding. This would not have happened if they could have weighed it against truth they had proven.

Because these men are all such ignorant fools God had to sent a better man to get the truth out there. That man obviously has to be Dave.

Dave next takes a swipe at three of the biggest Church of God ignorant fools.  at least he got this much right....


If brethren had better understood prophecy—had through the years been hearing the clarity of its many crucial truths for our time—they would not be following raging false prophets like Gerald Flurry or outright fiction writers like Ron Weinland, who mangles EVERYTHING about prophecy! Recent, newer self-appointed “prophets”—those far out on the lunatic fringe of the so-called “COGs”—have done their part to confuse the smaller numbers within their reach.

That, "newer self-appointed “prophets”" is none other than our favorite prophet, Bob Thiel.  First I pick on the poor guy, then Meredith and Winnail do and now Dave does.  Poor guy!

Then Dave takes another veiled swipe at Thiel and the rest of the loser pussy-boy splinter leaders.

False prophets come with many faces. Most in the world specialize in confusing, incomplete, deceitful theories of how the future will play out. The nonsense of these conflicting scenarios is without end. All bring their own interpretations—none correct. False prophets also come in all sizes, both in the world and among God’s people. Think of the splinters. Large—Gerald Flurry. Medium—Ron Weinland. Small—not worth naming. None should follow such men to the kitchen, never mind the kingdom! Yet thousands do. Sadly, almost like Muslim extremists, many followers of such “prophets” over time become permanently “radicalized.” (Thankfully, some false prophets will be exposed sooner than others. Christ will NOT return in 16 days, as Weinland declares. Hundreds with him and thousands who read his material will soon know they were deceived by no more than a common criminal!)

Obviously Dave's face is not part of the series of COG false prophets.  Thiel's group is so small and insignificant that Dave can't even be bothered to mention it!  Too funny!  At least Dave is correct about Weinerdude Weinland.  Jesus is not returning on May 19th.  Weinerdude is nothing more than a common criminal.

Dave is not about to let all the ministers and splinter group leaders get all his flack, you dumb ignorant members are to blame too!  If you were not such ignorant blithering idiots then you would have had the sense to not follow these losers. Instead you would have come to Dave's group where glory reigns and knowledge abounds.  Dumb members, its all your fault!

It is a testimony to many brethren’s woeful ignorance of God’s “sure word of prophecy” that anyone—ANYONE!—would believe such unbiblical butchery as these men spew. The folly of their teachings, combined with their botched predictions, causes most to view their efforts as laughable—a bad joke. But others are swept up in them. What is not a joke is that the truth of prophecy becomes very difficult to recapture for their disillusioned followers, but also for others who are turned off by it all. This is the real danger of false prophets. They blur and undermine the truth of Bible prophecy. Over time, they cause people to forget what is the truth—when they may once have known it well.
Dave now wants all COG members to know that God is directly channeling through him all of this magnificent knowledge.  Be astounded.  Be amazed.  Come home to Dave.  He IS the man!

I have taught prophecy ­extensively—­and ­correctly!—the truth of established understanding—­for over 40 years, probably much, much more than ANY other pastor during this same period. I wanted people to know what lies ahead. So I taught very thorough ­class-­like workshops in every one of my Worldwide Church of God pastorates, covering all the basics and more, verse-by-verse through Daniel and Revelation, with a great many passages included from other ­books. (Here is but a partial list of what I have covered in sermons.)

But grasp this. I am a neither a prophet nor have I any self-prescribed “authority” to bring prophecies. What will be shown over the next weeks is entirely GOD’S prophecy—from HIS WORD—explained and conveyed through the only office He ever uses to bring biblical truth to His Church (Acts 2:42; Eph. 2:20). The Bible warns that “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” (II Pet. 1:20). But God does work through His chosen servants. In fact, He never reveals His Plan through anyone else. Therefore, finding the one He leads becomes crucial.

Dave then blathers on about Haggai and Zechariah. till he gets to this.  Like Weinerdude Weinland, Dave is referring to something significant to take place later this fall.  Is this when he expects the three splinter group leaders to die?

One more date-related point. Haggai and Zechariah are recorded with a series of dates attached to their message. This is unique and different from the writings of all other Old Testament prophets. Like Ezra and Nehemiah, Haggai is also centered around the sixth and seventh months of the sacred year, except that it also involves God saying things through Haggai in the ninth month (Keslev) in the Hebrew year. These months are crucial to recognize and understand because the very name “Haggai” means “My (God’s) Feast, pilgrim Feast or festival gathering.”

Dave then talks about HWA and his series of sermons on Haggai and Zechariah an dhow HWA understood he was Zerubbabel.  Then Dave, by slight of hand, reveals that he is Joshua.

An aside before continuing: Mr. Armstrong in time came to realize that he would die, and without knowing Joshua’s identity. It is not the immediate purpose here to identify Joshua. That will come later. But it is important to realize that Mr. Armstrong knew he was Zerubbabel and that Joshua would follow Zerubbabel and be revealed in his time. As with learning that he was Zerubbabel, and then teaching this to the Church, Mr. Armstrong obviously realized that Joshua would similarly learn his own identity and also similarly teach it to the Church. Of course, merely because of the apostasy, this would not happen in any way that Mr. Armstrong could have imagined. Mr. Armstrong’s last sentence will be touched on later.
After a long series of quotes from HWA and with Dave's  interpretations he gets to this:

Finally, a grave caution. Understand that your leaders will almost certainly race to defeat proper understanding of this prophecy. Some will claim that Mr. Armstrong taught something different about it. But you have seen his quotes. He understood that he was a type of Zerubbabel and left open who fulfilled the role of Joshua. You will learn why. The book of Haggai cannot be discussing the long-ago temple that the ancient Zerubbabel built 2,500 years ago. It is a PROPHECY for US TODAY! Will you let deceitful liars, seeking to hold on to power in their “houses,” defeat your understanding before the prophecy can be explained in all its glorious detail? Or will you REJECT their efforts? Ultimately, it makes no difference whether they believe this prophecy—or even whether you believe it. It will be fulfilled—and SOON.

So all the splinter group leaders are supposed to get pissed at Dave and start preaching against him now?  These pussy-boys are deceitful liars seeking to hold on to their own empires and are not about to let their members take their money and jump ship to Dave.

Dave then close with a hint that the most magnificent news is yet to come from him. Something big and powerful is about to be announced.  It has taken him a LOT of sermons to understand this and to get his point across, yet you ignorant unwashed masses out there are too dumb to understand him.  It's your fault you are in the splinter cults you are in!
This announcement has laid crucial foundation for all that will follow. There is much more to understand. Incredible detail is involved. God explains His Purpose from every possible angle. It took me many sermons—MANY hours!!!—to cover all that is involved. Thousands have heard and understand much more than you are reading. This series of articles is but an overview. Haggai 1:12 declares that “the remnant” not only “obeyed the voice of the Lord their God,” but also “the words of Haggai the prophet.” One must know Haggai’s words to obey them. The time for obedience is NOW for those who learn the truth of this prophecy. Sadly, most of God’s people are not even reading Haggai, never mind understanding or obeying it. This had better change fast.





Bob Thiel Is None Too Happy With Doug Winnail



The non-ordained self-appointed false prophet was none too happy when he read on here Friday afternoon that Doug Winnail slapped him really good the other day.

Thiel writes:

05/03/13 p.m. It has been reported that LCG's Dr. D. Winnail sent out the following and, supposedly, that certain negative aspects of this writing were intended to be directed towards me and the Continuing Church of God (CCOG):
Irrespective of who might have been meant (and since CCOG has the biggest known work of a group that has such a high percentage of "stay-at-home" people, it is not unreasonable to consider that CCOG was a group this was targeted towards),

The biggest "work" of-stay-at home members???????????  Bob, Bob, Bob, your delusions of grandeur are getting the best of you.  You have no work.  You have the worst videos in the ENTIRE history of the Church of God.  You have become a laughing stock on YouTube.  Most of the viewers you are receiving are being directed there by this blog.  You could at least thank me for that!

The non-ordained false prophet has to resorts to a typical HWA comparison:

Like CCOG, the late Herbert W. Armstrong also started out with very few actual congregations, but mainly had a "stay-at-home" church that was served through the technology of the time (that is part of why he called it the Radio Church of God). He had the faith to believe and do the work anyway, despite CG7 being much larger than his group at the time. Surely, various ones have not forgotten that aspect and pattern of COG history.
Now, in the 21st century, I have tried to demonstrate a similar pattern to those with ears to hear (Matthew 11:15; 13:8-9)--we in the CCOG have already demonstrated sufficient magnitude to get the gospel to the world as a witness (Matthew 24:14). We are having significant impact on this God-given mission.
If you really think you are having a big impact with YouTube media in the 21st century you really are bonkers.

Perhaps this would be a good time to mention that the Continuing Church of God has reached millions of people in over 210 countries and territories in the past four months through the internet, radio, personal contact, and the written word.
Bob, once again you are using visions of grandeur to cloud your thinking.  Just because people from 210 countries have clicked on your site does not mean you have made a witness to them.  This blog has reached 200 countries around the world.  It is an easy thing to do.  Do I think I have reached multiple millions of pople as a result?  Not at all.  No more than you have.

Then Bob slaps Doug back with a zinger:

Integrity counts (see also Why Bob Thiel Left the Living Church of God), and I believe that integrity, love, and faith are more important than current size (though I expect, over time, major changes in size of CCOG). It appears that it will be the Continuing Church of God that will lead the final phase of the work, and that this leading has already begun.
Apparently LCG has no integrity as a church nor do the men who are in charge.  Then the visions of grandeur take over and again and Thiel thinks he is doing the final phase of the work.



Dave Pack: I Have Taught Prophecy More Extensively and Correctly Than ANY Other COG Pastor Ever Has



God's most perfect humble creation is back boasting about his magnificence.  Can there be any man on this earth that is as brilliant and magnificent as Dave Pack?  Can perfection be this glorious and tall?

I have taught prophecy ­extensively—­and ­correctly!—the truth of established understanding—­for over 40 years, probably much, much more than ANY other pastor during this same period. I wanted people to know what lies ahead. So I taught very thorough ­class-­like workshops in every one of my Worldwide Church of God pastorates, covering all the basics and more, verse-by-verse through Daniel and Revelation, with a great many passages included from other ­books. (Here is but a partial list of what I have covered in sermons.)