Monday, January 13, 2020
The Way of the Waffling Prophet:
[ˈwäfəl]
The Way of the The Waffling Prophet
Armageddon Will it come on Trump’s watch?
Now personally, I don't believe that Dr Thiel has an insincere bone in his body. I fully believe that he sincerely believes his own press and place in the Biblical scheme of things. I think, like I was myself, that he, and all in the COG way of being, is still stuck in the "The Wonderful World Tomorrow. What It Will Be Like" and "Are we living in the Last Days?" mode. We can all access what the Bible says. It is what it means, for whom and when, that divides everyone into a thousand different churches each led by someone who knows themselves to be more correct than all the others. Personally I have never met anyone that said they attended the false Church and knew they were sadly mistaken about their beliefs.
And too, it is no surprise here that I do not personally believe any human being not then and not now can "pre-dict" the future. From bones and stones to visions and revelations, I simple don't believe it to be how life works. Much Bible prophecy did not come to pass as advertised and all sorts of apologetics have been invented to make them seem as if they did no matter the doubts. Also, and this is especially true with regards to the Birth and Death Narratives in the NT, what seems prophetic is simply OT scriptures mined by writers who needed to tell and upgraded tale and "according to the scriptures" became more true than most like to believe. It was not according to history or to reality. The Book of Revelation is a failed first century prediction that the Romans would be driven out of Jerusalem and the Jews and Jewish Christians would prevail. They weren't and they didn't. None of it is for our times though certainly can be used as if it was. That's the nature of vague prophecy uttered with hyperbole and dramatic content. I once asked a well educated theologian who his comments on Revelation. He said whoever wrote it was on good drugs.
That said...
Now personally, I don't believe that Dr Thiel has an insincere bone in his body. I fully believe that he sincerely believes his own press and place in the Biblical scheme of things. I think, like I was myself, that he, and all in the COG way of being, is still stuck in the "The Wonderful World Tomorrow. What It Will Be Like" and "Are we living in the Last Days?" mode. We can all access what the Bible says. It is what it means, for whom and when, that divides everyone into a thousand different churches each led by someone who knows themselves to be more correct than all the others. Personally I have never met anyone that said they attended the false Church and knew they were sadly mistaken about their beliefs.
And too, it is no surprise here that I do not personally believe any human being not then and not now can "pre-dict" the future. From bones and stones to visions and revelations, I simple don't believe it to be how life works. Much Bible prophecy did not come to pass as advertised and all sorts of apologetics have been invented to make them seem as if they did no matter the doubts. Also, and this is especially true with regards to the Birth and Death Narratives in the NT, what seems prophetic is simply OT scriptures mined by writers who needed to tell and upgraded tale and "according to the scriptures" became more true than most like to believe. It was not according to history or to reality. The Book of Revelation is a failed first century prediction that the Romans would be driven out of Jerusalem and the Jews and Jewish Christians would prevail. They weren't and they didn't. None of it is for our times though certainly can be used as if it was. That's the nature of vague prophecy uttered with hyperbole and dramatic content. I once asked a well educated theologian who his comments on Revelation. He said whoever wrote it was on good drugs.
That said...
Dr. Bob Thiel's way of being a prophet hardly abides at all in the Biblical model of "Thus saith the Lord" or "I was in vision on the Lord's Day..."
Bob is the Prophet of Waffle. Rather than make bold statements such as "Trump fulfills Ezekiel 32", "This Roman leader changed times!", "Petra IS the Place of Safety!" and "Armageddon WILL come on Trump's watch!", he knows better than to do that evidently. Very risky as to one's credibility as a prophet if you keep getting it wrong. Better to leave waffle and wiggle room and at least be able to say "I NEVER SAID IT WOULD HAPPEN! I only asked if it COULD". If need be, this line can be followed by "You people just don't get it!" or "It's SPIIIIRITUAL!" Always have a personal out.
Dr Bob's is to waffle...
Waffle Bob will always have the advantage to say both "We (I) in the Continuing Church of God predicted (which is also not the same as prophesied) this! So see, I am a Prophet!" or simply deny or never mention that which didn't come to pass. Take credit for a good guess and not responsibility for an inaccurate one.
It's easier and less risky to say "Are the fires in Australia as sign of God's judgment?" than "The Fires in Australia are a sign of God's judgment." Someone is bound to point out that much of it is arson.
Dave Pack is the Master of the Non-Waffle Prophecy and still manages to blot the blunders out of his mind and the minds of all those who love bold BS. Bob seems to avoid this problem with the Art of the Waffle.
Dr. Bob posts 20 Waffle Ready things to watch for prophetically in the coming year.
1. Scoffers and the Modern Media
(And BannedHWA)
2. Morality Prophecies Being Fulfilled Daily (Sodom and Gomorrah)
(People behaving as they always have)
3. Internet Censorship
(Of ME, which I seriously doubt as well, though others should be)
4. Weather Sorrows and Troubles
(As usual on earth)
5. Earthquakes
(Your continent floats on a sea of liquid rock dufus)
6. The White Horse of the Apocalypse (Pope Francis, Vatican, Ecumenical Movement)
(Don't forget "This is the LAST POPE and he will change his name to Peter" again.)
7. Strife and the Red Horse of War
(Nothing new here)
8. Trade
(Which of course has been going on since Neolithic times)
9. The Deal of Daniel 9:27 (Donald Trump, Palestinians)
(I thought it was Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Clinton, Bush?)
10. Knowledge Increasing (5G)
(But not what the James Webb Space Telescope might reveal or Hubel has. Knowledge increasing has always been a troubling prophetic trend for the Church.)
11. Debt
(Big time Prophetic topic!)
12. US Dollar Dominance will Decrease (Instex)
(They all do in time)
13. Cash, 666 (Legal Entity Identifier), & Gold (Russia, China, Romania, Poland)
(Not to mention Estonia, Lithuania, Slovenia and Uzbekistan!"
14. Europe Will Work to Reorganize
(Women will clean their houses and men will help occasionally!)
15. Europe Will Have a Great Army (Ursula von der Leyen)
(Hey, what happened to Karl Theodor Von Pretty Boy?)
16. Steps Towards the Formation of the King of the South Will Occur
(Lindsey Graham?)
17. The Time of the Gentiles will Lead to Armageddon (Velt and Road Initiative)
(It's always been the time of the Gentiles. That would be most humans actually)
18. Jews Ready to Sacrifice
(Bring on the Red Heifer!)
19. Fulfillment of Matthew 24:14; 28:19-20
(Gospel of the Kingdom and the Short Work)
(Gospel of the Kingdom and the Short Work)
(Not again! You're just saying that because you think your time is the time. Besides, "short", "shortly" and "soon" mean "long", "longer" and "never" in prophetic talk)
20. 2020 Presidential election.
("What's all this talk about Presidential Erections?" Elections!
"Oh, never mind"
Rosana Rosanna Danna)
Let's face it, if Dr. Bob was Matthew or Luke, who really weren't the real Matthew or Luke BTW, his prophecy of Jesus would sound like this...
"Could God send a Son to die for our sins?"
"Did Jesus cleanse us from Football?"
"Is Bethlehem a reasonable place to be born?"
"Could Mary have stayed with Cousin Elizabeth in Jerusalem instead of a stable?"
"Could Jesus be wrapped in swaddling clothes and just what is swaddle?"
"Could the whole world be taxed by Caesar?"
"Will Wise Men see a star in the East and Go West?"
"Real Star or Just an Angel?"
"Could Mary be the Virgin of Isaiah 7:14?"
"Will she name him Immanuel and does it mean "God with us" or "God IS With us"? "Does it matter"
"Could Jesus be the Messiah of Psalm 22"
"Will Jesus, the possible Messiah of Psalm 22, call himself a worm and not a man?"
(v. 6)
"Will Herod be the Beast of Jerusalem and think to slaughter the innocents?"
"Will Mary and Joseph tell the other parents to grab their children and run Or will they just quietly leave knowing something they don't know?"
Musings on Waffles...
"A waffle is like a pancake with a syrup trap." Mitch Hedberg
"Sounded like a load of waffle to me." "There was some important stuff hidden in the waffle." J.K. Rowling
"Way, way back in the day, like in the 1990s, if you wanted to tell everyone you ate waffles for breakfast, you couldn’t just go on the Internet and tweet it out. There was only one way to do it. You had to go outside and scream at the top of your lungs, 'I ate waffles for breakfast!' That’s why so many people ended up in institutions. They seemed crazy, but when you think about it, they were just ahead of their time." Ellen DeGeneres"
Sunday, January 12, 2020
COGWA and its Disingenuous Revisionism Pulls 25 Year Anniversary Out of 8 Year Old Hat
When it was brought up here recently that COGWA was claiming its youth camps were celebrating 25 years, people were accused of lying.
Anyone who was ever part of the United Church of God at its inception experienced first hand the major upheaval when the vast majority of UCG ministers and a huge number of members left to join up with the newly formed Church of God a Worldwide Association. That date was December 23, 2010
Announcing theChurch of God, a Worldwide Association
Today we are announcing the formation of a new international congregation of believers, the Church of God, a Worldwide Association. Our church organization incorporated on December 23, 2010 and has members, congregations and ministers around the world.
The formation of the Church of God, a Worldwide Association, results from several fundamental disagreements within United Church of God, an International Association. After numerous efforts to engage in biblical resolutions and reconciliation, all efforts failed, and a separation became inevitable.Then on January 11, 2011, COGWA officially adopted their name
January 11, 2011 – The meetings began as Interim Board President Mike Hanisko called upon Kevin Epps for the opening prayer. Mr.Hanisko then announced the result of the ballot for our church name. Of the 118 ballots cast, 78 chose “Church of God, a Worldwide Association.” So our temporary name has now become our official name.Given that COGWA officially was incorporated with their new name in 2011, how can they in 2019 be celebrating 25 years of youth camps? Apparently, taking UCG's years of holding camps prior to them. they consider that part of their scorecard.
Nothing like setting an example for your youth in telling the truth...
From COGWA Facebook page
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