The Sin of Ingratitude In The Churches of God

 

The letter below was on Exit and Support Network and while it pertains to the Philadelphia Church of God it could just as applicable to most of the other COG's. Members are constantly being berated for not sending in as much money as leaders expect. Members are expected to skimp, live frugally, and give tremendously so that the leadership can live opulent lives never worrying about where the next meal will come from.

Who can forget the member letters from Herbert Armstrong raking members over the coals for some crisis in the church and then immediately demand they give as much as they can for some ridiculous mighty push to get a fake gospel out about a "mighty hand from someplace"?

What is the “sin of ingratitude” to the Philadelphia Church of God?
What “church” could be more ungrateful than they? 

 

As that false ministry preaches to its members about being thankful, it is never about being thankful to God but about being thankful to them and for their “prophet” and for being ‘blessed’ in receiving “the Truth” from their ministers in the form of “spiritual food.” 

 

But what real food can the members ever afford who first lose at least 30 percent of their income through local, state and federal taxes, and then must pay another 30 percent on top of that into this false church, or else must perish in the lake of fire? 

 

All that a member can do is dream about having real food to eat, but eat “spiritual food,” as they may call it, instead. 

 

What kind of a day of rest is the Sabbath when a working member cannot afford to have a good meal on the eve of that day or on that day? 

 

For years I had to deal with the quandary as to whether I should pay for gas to make it to “church services” or be able to enjoy a nutritious meal on Friday or Saturday after surviving on less than a 500 calorie per day diet while I did hard work all week. Of course, I always paid for gas instead of eating. 

 

In all the fake sermons I heard, the members were never thanked for the wealth and opulence enjoyed by those privileged people at HQ. The members were instead craftily manipulated by well-fed ministers who were skilled at using the Bible as an instrument of spiritual torture to guilt members into paying ever more and more, even beyond what tithes and offerings that fake church could extort out of its members, biblically. 

 

And then, we arrive at that “sin of ingratitude” as classically preached about by Herbert Armstrong in the old WCG. How much ingratitude, or lack of gratitude, must that fake church have, in order to always ask its members for more, more, more…? Man, for lack of such a critical element as gratitude, why could those ministers not instead be asking and praying to receive a spirit of gratitude themselves, instead of for more money? 

 

If people be guilty of the “sin of ingratitude,” as most human beings are ungrateful for what become just basic things to them and which things they take for granted over time, and without regarding the God who made all things, then the fake Philadelphia Church of God is guilty for being ungrateful to and for its members for sacrificing all those basic things and more, even God-given freedom, in order to please and appease the heads of that greedy and corrupt religious organization. None compares to them when regarding the “sin of ingratitude.” 

 

Once on some older Trumpet Daily show, Stephen Flurry (SF) commented about the company CEO of Amazon for not even acknowledging that what profit he was now using for some space project he could then participate in had come from all the people who paid in and whom he profited from. Few comments ever sounded so hypocritical as what was coming from SF’s own mouth then. 

 

Anyways, it is one of my greatest regrets to have given anything at all to that fake church, not just because of personal losses, but because I now know what evil I have contributed to, and not any good. What evil I have financed unwittingly has also caused others to suffer loss and injury. God forgives me for that which I did not intend to do, but how could God ever forgive that fake church who purposefully uses the Bible to extort people to the point of injury and while misusing His name in doing so, with all ingratitude? 

 

By Nate [name changed] (former PCG member)
January 22, 2023

Dave Pack: 2023. For Real, this time...

2023. For Real.

 

We are in the first 40-day period ending on February 10, 2023, when the Kingdom of God arrives.

 

The second 40-day period ends on Abib 1 (March 22), when the Day of the Lord starts.

 

During the first 40-day period but before February 10, there is a resurrection of 100 billion people starting the Kingdom to Israel.

 

Before that, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God will become a global mouthpiece. When will Elijah be raised like Moses first to kick this off? Don’t know. It is a wife-restricted secret Dave will reveal in his own time. But man, does he know and knows that he knows.

 

He presented part of a new 60-point list proving how hard he is trying to get the timing right.

 

He mangled Ephesians 5:14-16 privately interpreting that the dead are resurrected into future evil days, rather than the people who need to be wise and circumspect living in current evil days. But hey, I never went to Ambassador College.

 

Elijah will be doing a lot of stuff, but when he starts is still a secret. So, stop asking.

 

You are partially caught up on the ballyhoo and tomfoolery enjoyed during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 415),” given on January 17, 2023.

 

 

How impressed should everyone be with this most-significant Part 415?

 

Part 415 – January 17, 2023

@ 32:41 We’re gonna put some things together that are impossible to dispute. Impossible.

 

@ 50:55 Now, we never understood these things. But we do now.

 

Ha ha ha. Famous last words. That oft-repeated phrase is now satire even when Dave says it.

 

The David C. Pack of today is mocking the David C. Pack of yesterday. Those two will duel for who knew the right what, when.

 

@ 1:06:24 Now, we never saw or understood this. It’s not remotely what anybody has ever understood. And I been looking at this, as you know, for like 20,000 hours. For years trying to put it together. Three Kingdoms. Four. Three. Four. Three. Four. Three. Four.

 

So much for inspired preaching moved by the Holy Spirit. So much for effective time management. So much for healthy work-life balance.

 

For the chosen servant of God to go back and forth perpetually about how many kingdoms there are does not fill me with confidence. A man studying the Bible for 20,000 hours while claiming to be an apostle but still cannot get the picture correct causes me to seriously doubt his prophetic competence.

 

Or maybe I am being a jerk.

 

David C. Pack is just a guy who wants so badly to understand Bible prophecy and desperately wants to believe God is leading him to teach this. He is surrounded by blind compromisers who are as desperate as he is, enabling his continued madness by excusing years of fumbling while ignoring the Book they proclaim to understand.

 

Blind leading the blind. Hello, Mister Ditch.

 

The Spirit of Error is holding a rave on the Headquarters Campus, but the brethren of The Restored Church of Another god are invited.

 

If God chooses you to fully understand Bible prophecy, you will fully understand without botching it for seven-plus years. If anyone does anything for 20,000 hours and still cannot nail it down, it is time for a new career.

 

 

News Flash: Jesus Christ arriving in 2022 is OFF THE TABLE!!!

 

Over sixty “The Greatest Unending Story!” Parts were delivered in 2022, but count them as dross because the Kingdom of God did not arrive last year.

 

How can you know?

 

@ 28:34 This math carries with it a whole set of asterisks. I have it on good authority that hasn’t happened yet, so you don’t have to worry about any year in the past.

 

Wait, is that a coded nod to the thorough documentation provided by exrcg.org?

 

Dave is convinced that 2023 is the year it all happens. For real, this time. He goes as far as to say that it could not have been in 2022. The man sure has a way of knee-capping himself. Time to tear out your Bible notes from last year and start over.

 

@ 28:18 Future years won't work. I don't see any way, and somebody could ask about the math at this point. There're all kinds of problems with years beyond 2023.

 

Insert howls of laughter. Prepare for the familiar “we’re not gonna go another year” phrase to be pulled from the dryer and worn through December.

 

@ 28:44  But last year wouldn’t have worked either. It was impossible. If we'd have understood "midst of the years," we would understand you had an extra intercalary…month. There are two Adars in 2024. There were in 2022. Both are simply out.

 

It is astounding to now ponder that 2022 will not host the return of Jesus Christ. Thankfully, this fantastic news came just in time. In January 2023. David C. Pack explains to the brethren of The Restored Church of God that all dates he set last year were “impossible.”

 

That means God tricked His servant into saying false dates based on false ideas by putting the wrong scriptures together to paint the wrong picture. Or it came from the human mind of David C. Pack, moved by the Spirit of Error to lead the members of RCG to chase their tails for another year.

 

If nothing in the past would have ever worked and ONLY 2023 works, that means that since 2012, David C. Pack has been fraudulently teaching fantasy to God's True Church. He does not use those words, but he confesses them nonetheless.

 

David C. Pack never considers the implications of the words he speaks. He can only think in the present; completely unaware, he invalidates his past and condemns his future.

 

And this is the guy who will be Elijah with “serious teeth” and “like Moses” to shout to the whole world?

 

No thank you.

 

@ 29:02 So, if it didn’t happen this year, it’s impossible that it’s next year.

 

Bookmark this. It will come back to bite Dave on the backside eventually.

 

This is why a vast library of foolish quotes and outrageous false claims are ready to be brought forth at the right moment. David C. Pack is his own worst enemy. His very words are perceived as "an attack from the devil" that "enemies" throw in his face.

 

Hey man, I did not say this junk on the record. That is all on you, bro.

 

 

How did the Packian Triad of Fraud come up with 2023 being so definitive and absolute?

 

@ 29:33 …a Sabbath 40 days back when the Father and Christ come.

 

@ 29:45 One day away from spring because God's gonna start years within a day, and that's perfect when you understand He's shaving years back. You've gotta have a late New Year's, an early spring, no leap years, and no intercalary months. You can’t have any of that.

 

Another utterly different construct of precise circumstances is necessary for proving his point. If you want to say one positive thing about David C. Pack, he knows how to take unrelated facts to Frankenstein proofs for a new date that could sound possible if it were an isolated incident.

 

Part 401 – October 22, 2022

@ 32:01 Three things…become absolute. The First Kingdom is one month…between new moons like all sacred months. Two. It follows harvest. And our last shot at that is Cheshvan. And three. This First Kingdom arrives in a year when a number of knowable metrics have been met. That makes its arrival sure.

 

Part 403 – November 05, 2022

@ 16:13 There are only two times, and the apostles knew this when the Day of the Lord can come. And those two times are Tammuz 1 or Tevet 1. There are no other possibilities.

 

Part 413 – January 4, 2023

@ 1:25:05 …we wait for what no one else knows ‘cause you’ll never ever a nuclear blast wouldn’t change me…from the simple fact that it’s ten days, seven years, a thousand years, and winter. You can’t change that.

 

Oops. This is another attack, I suppose.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word.

Trust him to your own folly.

 

Dave loves coincidences as proof of how correct the new theory is.

 

Part 415 – January 17, 2023

@ 30:03 Now, go online and see how many years you’re gonna wait until that happens again. Or, is it just an incredible coincidence that we’re learning it this year in a year that fits, you know, jot and tittle. I mean, hand in glove…So, future years won’t work for a long time.

 

If only this was the first time that method was used.

 

Part 394 – September 24, 2022

@ 17:57 But it’s impossible to believe that he [Elijah] doesn’t sound on Trumpets. So, is it a coincidence we’re learning this right now?

 

Part 412 – December 27, 2022

@ 1:22:56 It was there all along. But not going to be understood until God removed the last part of the Mystery made everything absolutely plain. Now, a coincidence that we learn it now? I guess you decide…Only God could reveal this. Truly. So, it’s January 1^st, that’s inarguable. That’s just inarguable. Or we wait a year.

 

Brad should sit Dave down in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium and play back his dumb statements so the man can see how he sounds like a lunatic. Perhaps this would spark some desire for self-restraint. A little prudence goes a long way.

 

I would gladly help with this project. I know how deficient the skills in the video department are now at RCG, and I would gladly accept freelance work at $70 per hour. The documentation has already been compiled. Have Carl put it in writing, and then Dr. Ranney can call with a confirmation. He has my number.

 

 

Binary question: Is David C. Pack a professional liar or an ignorant teacher?

 

I do not think he is a liar or a willful con man. Dave buys his own malarkey. Remember, the naked emperor believes he is wearing magnificent clothing. It is everyone else who knows he is nude.

 

Who at the Headquarters of The Restored Church of God knows that David C. Pack is biblically naked?

 

To put it more bluntly, which men see Dave’s prophetic buttocks and genitalia daily and are totally fine with it?

 

Brad. Ryan. Jaco. Tim. Salasi. Jim. Andrew. Frank. Raymond.

 

Three others were excluded. They actually see the spectacular fabric their human idol strides through the Grand Garden in.

 

Part 415 – January 17, 2023

@ 30:22 I could never find a year that it would work. But I didn’t look that hard because I know it’s this year.But I do understand the “midst of the years” was so enlightening. It put bold lines on things. And put a Kingdom in place. Vivid colors. No more pastel. 

 

2023 is the year, and the evidence is locked so tight there is no need to keep proving all things.

 

@ 39:28 You have an absolute solid promise, bright lines, and vivid colors that it has to be before February 10^th.

 

Who’s promise? Notice he did not pin that on anyone specific. Dave might have well just said, “Joe Baloney down the street promises you.” For what that is worth.

 

 

Consider the “stunning understanding” carried about since 2012 that has all amounted to nothing, as admitted in Part 415. Accept Dave’s enthusiasm about 2023 with that grain of salt.

 

Dave will do the same things without guilt. He will say the same things without regret.

 

While attending RCG, I realized David C. Pack was made of Teflon and Kevlar. Failure, shame, embarrassment, and accountability just roll off of him. Nothing sticks or penetrates.

 

When you are coated with a thick shell of profound denial reinforced by Headquarters medical-grade fawning pillows held by a cabal of corrupted hirelings, it is easy to see how the Bible and God are to blame when theories collapse under the immense pressure of time.

 

It seems as though David C. Pack wakes up each day with a blank mind, unsullied by statements of the past. He lives in today only for today. That is his blessing and his curse.

 

No matter how many hours he talks or how many proofs he writes down, David C. Pack will not and cannot ever be correct about the return of Jesus Christ.

 

February 10 will come and go. March 22 will come and go. The absolutely inarguable dates will oil up and slide around as they approach. Watch for that.

 

The Restored Church of God is recycling the RCG Mad Libs booklet. The empty slots that once said 2022 in pencil can now be erased and have 2023 written in ink instead.

 

2023 is when this all goes down. For real.

Marc Cebrian

See: 2023. For Real.

 

 

 

 

Dave Pack: 100 Billion People To Be Resurrected Before March 22, 2023

It’s A Secret

 

Shush. David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God is holding onto a secret. At the end (for real, at the end) of “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 414),” he teased a big reveal was on the horizon.

 

Part 414 – January 14, 2023

@ 1:39:40 And you cannot argue with the sheer massive proof I’m gonna lay on you next time that Elijah rises before February 10^th.

 

But he did not do that. David C. Pack is not a man of his word? Whaaaaaaaaat?!

 

He must have left those notes at home. During Part 415 on January 17, he neglected to present the sheer massive inarguable proof about Elijah rising in February. Oh, well.

 

He still managed to fill his time with wall-to-wall words, speaking with a passionate volume for 94 minutes exuding tones of certainty about two other recycled tidbits. A reasonable person could boil down his major points within twenty minutes and be just as conclusive. But Dave likes to pad and over-explain.

 

Per Part 415, these happen BEFORE the Day of the Lord on March 22, 2023:

 

The Kingdom TO Israel period is back, baby.

The resurrection of 100 billion people is back, too, baby.

 

Beyond this, the rest of the message is a significant display of verbal white noise. And errors.

 

 

The people who attended the Headquarters Winter Social must have been atwitter about the Elijah-period bait, fully anticipating Part 415.

 

They are quickly learning the updated staples for a spiritual diet: Prayer, fasting, meditation, Bible study, and disappointment. That is the RCG way.

 

The big question everyone wants to know is: When shall these things be? Well, Dave is not telling.

 

Part 415 – January 17, 2023

@ 31:47 I said on Sabbath we’re not waiting 27 days. So, let me put it this way, now we’re not waiting 24 days.

 

He talks for 94 minutes and refuses to ever spit it out.

 

@ 48:47 So, it’s not weeks or months. It’s days. How many? I know. I know exactly when this happens, and you're gonna try to get it outta me, and I won't tell you. It’s the last thing I’m gonna say because this is explosive stuff. I absolutely know, and my assistants know, and they're not even gonna tell their wives.

 

He meant the last thing NEXT time. Not today, you believing blockheads.

 

Dave told his wife, though. Apostle's privilege.

 

Over ten years of failed prophetic dates, and NOW he is being coy. When he finally does reveal his new circle on the calendar, how many gasps from the audience will you be able to hear? My guess: none.

 

A round of unimpressed shrugs for everyone.

 

@ 1:22:07 But, that’s horrible days. So, there’s days in front of that. I know how many, and I'm not gonna tell you yet. It's not important.

 

If something is not important, you do not bring it up while telling people you know what it is. If it is not important, there is no need to withhold it, either. You just say it and move on.

 

This not-important secret tease is audience manipulation to give the impression the Pester General knows EVEN MORE knowledge than what he is sharing. He uses a slimy tactic to puff himself up with empty ideas that contain no substance. He suggests more wisdom without having to prove it.

 

This tactic works on kids, by the way.

 

Oh, he certainly has a date in mind. He has the numbers. He has the scriptures to back up his assertion, no doubt. But he needlessly drags it out to build false excitement. Or maybe he is stalling again.

 

All this drama will lead to nothing more than a mild shrug. Declaring another date is not a miracle.

 

@ 1:22:27 I’m quite certain I know. The Bible is most plain. We know all the other spaces. We're gonna know that one, and I absolutely know it.

 

Neener neener nee-ner.

 

“Okay, Dave. I’m thinking of a number between 1 and 10. Tell me which it is.”

 

“I know but I’m not gonna tell you yet. It’s not important. I’m quite certain I know. I absolutely know it.”

 

“Prove it.”

 

"I have to go pee."

 

During Part 416, want to guess how much time Dave will eat explaining something “not important?”

 

Dave provides a lot of humor when you peer at his words from a particular perspective.

 

He loves proving how much he knows without actually saying it. He loves explaining how inarguable his proofs are without presenting them. He loves anticipating acceptance of his teachings as fact before revealing what they are.

 

@ 1:23:09 So, this much you know. It’s at least three and a half days. So, I guess you can take that much off of February 10^th. God help all of us to be ready.

 

God help you if you believe him.

 

Make no mistake, Dave talks plenty about what Elijah will do. Since Dave is Elijah-Elect, that is important to him. But WHEN it starts is left as a secret. For…reasons.

 

 

@ 31:42 I wanna talk about what happens in a period before the Kingdom of God…now we’re not waiting 24 days. And you won't have any doubt of that after the first point, and I'm gonna give you probably about 50 or 60, just not all of them today.

 

Will this new list spoil faster than the other 60-point list pointing to a Tevet 21 Day of the Lord?

 

Part 414 – January 4, 2023

@ 34:36 Is there a way to make all those 60 points agree? Eventually…they have to agree because the Bible never contradicts itself.

 

Dave contradicts the Bible. The Bible contradicts Dave.

 

Lists have not served the members of The Restored Church of God well in the past.

 

Part 409 – December 10, 2022

@ 18:38 The only way we go further is if Christmas and all the proofs were a ruse by God to throw us off…Then, there is no Mount Everest. We just built one, and it's a mirage. And God deliberately, with two long lists, threw us off.

 

A ruse by God. The Mount Everest mirage. Two long lists by God designed to throw off RCG.

 

This blasphemer shows no fear of God. Perhaps Dave begs on his knees in private for forgiveness because he certainly does not do that from the lectern.

 

Throughout the history of The Restored Church of God, the time and effort to compose the lists and then to teach them are pure folly. The utterly worthless points are compiled by a desperate man with the help of compromised lackey sycophants. Being more precise requires a $5 word: myrmidons.

 

Part 415 – January 17, 2023

@ 32:02 So, this has all come clear. God, in His mercy, gave us Abib 1 and 40 days in front of it.

 

 

Another colossal example of David C. Pack’s piss-poor reading comprehension skills ensures a future walk-back. The first point on the updated 60-point list is a private interpretation of Ephesians 5:14-16. It does not bone him as severely as his misunderstanding of Habakkuk 2:2, but it slots right underneath.

 

Dave says there is a resurrection of 100 billion people before the Day of the Lord.

 

@ 16:26 Are we beginning to get a hint that all Israel is here before God and Christ are? Not just a generation. All of them? Is that possible?

 

Whenever he poses questions like this, the answer is always yes. Since his god likes to hint rather than guide correctly, the signposts are clear.

 

@ 47:42 A prophet [Elijah] explains God’s plan to everybody since the Garden. Adam and Eve will be listening. A voice. The voice of the Seventh Messenger tells all people…everybody you could imagine who ever lived.

 

 

@ 1:01:58 You will meet all the saints before you meet the Father and Christ. You’ll also meet Abraham Lincoln before you meet Abraham. And before you meet God and Christ.

 

How did he draw these conclusions?

 

If I were a minister in The Restored Church of God, I would be so ashamed. This is that bad.

 

Ephesians 5:14-16

¹⁴Wherefore he says, Awake thou that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. ¹⁵See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, ¹⁶Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

 

By misreading that verse, Dave discovered the dead will rise INTO evil days, so they must be resurrected before the Kingdom of God arrives.

 

@ 36:01 …when you stand up from being actually dead into evil days, it cannot be the Kingdom of God.

 

This is not what the text says. Dave mistakenly assumes all three verses speak of the same subject: the dead. However, a slow and careful reading of ALL the words exposes the truth.

 

Perhaps hitting the windshield in the car as a child damaged Dave’s brain more than he knows.

 

He completely misunderstands who verse 15 is talking to. Not the dead but the living Paul addresses. The reward for those asleep is light given by Christ. So, therefore, we (the audience) should not be fools but be wise.

 

Dave's piss-poor reading comprehension misses words like "See THEN that YE walk…" This signifies WHO Paul is talking to after referring to a resurrection.

 

The dead cannot walk circumspectly. The dead cannot redeem the time.

 

That seems pretty basic, and I am no Bible scholar. To get that so wildly wrong is beyond embarrassing.

 

@ 37:58 “Mr. Pack, are you saying that over a hundred billion people are here before God, Christ, the Kingdom, and the Temple, and all those things you described are here?” And I’m gonna answer, Absolutely. And I’ve only given ya one point. I’ve got about 25 today and 35 more...

 

We might be forced to conclude that David C. Pack is mentally challenged. But that would insult mentally challenged people. Dave is undoubtedly deficient in vital ways necessary for a preacher of righteousness, and yet, the people of The Restored Church of God continue to let him spew this nonsense, and they lap it up.

 

Not one minister dared to raise his hand, “Excuse me, Mr. Pack. Are you certain that scripture isn’t speaking of two different groups? Verse 14 is talking about the dead who will be resurrected as a learning point for those who are alive during the current evil days referenced in 15 and 16?”

 

“Nah. It’ll be fine.”

 

David C. Pack is a literary halfwit. The man is incapable of reading plain words right in front of his nose. He then builds a construct of foolishness based on that. Why can an antichrist serpent more wicked (almost) than the devil see ALL the words in the verses, but Elijah-Elect cannot?

 

 

He so believed his own delusion he earlier sold his shocking discovery as absolute.

 

@ 34:30 Some of what we’re gonna be covering is some of the most stunning understanding that you can possibly imagine. Simply stunning understanding, and it’s inarguable.

 

The simply stunning understanding that is so inarguable is based upon his inability to comprehend what he reads. That is no joke. That is what is really happening with him.

 

There is some seriously catastrophic blindness at work. It cannot simply be chalked up to stupidity. Yes, he is a biblical moron and a prophetic idiot, but at least he is trying really hard. He is trying, brethren. 

 

Dave built the foundation of his theory on sand. You do not need roaring waves to knock it over.

 

After he misread one verse, the others fell like dominos distorted by the same error.

 

@ 36:34 John 5 says, “All that are in the graves” rise in the same hour. So, all who’ve ever lived rise and go into a period of evil days before the Kingdom of God. Now, I'm gonna prove this in dozens, and I can quote scores of verses, and you'll understand what a horrific, tremendous, horrible battle this was.

 

This battle was already lost, and he had only just begun.

 

You see where he came from, where he was heading, and how he got there.

 

The Ephesians 5:14-16 fiasco does not fit into David C. Pack’s Gallery of Stupid, but it broadcasts where the Spirit of Error has taken up residence and is throwing a huge party.

 

And that is no secret.

 

Marc Cebrian

See. It’s A Secret