Sunday, September 24, 2023

Origins: Did or Now Do Old Testament El or YHVH or New Testament Jesus Have Wings?

(Note: Pardon length for any short attention span lurkers. It's a big and fascinating topic :)


Dave Pack says yes...


However...Not after the Israelite Priesthood got ahold of them, though winged Gods were the order of the day before the Priesthood of Israel clipped them. 


No images or idols of El or YHVH sprouting wings exist. While El does have depictions in idols, YHVH does not being too sacred a god to depict, or whose name should even be spoken.  Other names were substituted to address this problem such as "Lord" , "Adonai", "Yah" and "Jehovah".


"Yahweh" is the accepted way to pronounce it, if you dare, however. 


The God YHVH



...before the Lord (YHVH) became depicted as Jesus, radiating "wings" of sunlight declaring himself to be the light of the world. 

John 8:12

Again, Jesus spoke to them saying, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light"




So, if you have "seen me, you have seen the Father" no wings for either Jesus or Father EL.

However, Dave Pack speculates...



Part 469 – September 14, 2023

@ 05:14 So, here’s my question: Is it possible God has wings? The Father has wings? Would that make it possible? Certainly, dudn’t say it outright, but would it be possible? Hmm.

 

@ 12:47 Does Christ have wings? Now, the world doesn’t know God or Christ have wings if they do. They are never depicted that way. Angels, yes. And sometimes saints. But not generally

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There is no depiction of the Israelite of El or his lesser, at the time, YHVH, a member of the Divine Council of the Gods having wings once El evolved into YHVH adopted by the Israelites.


Malachi 4 does intrigue using terminology he did however....



A most honest scripture about the nature of God as "The Sun". In this context, "His wings" are the sun rays represented by wings. The reference in Malachi is a memory of the Sun Gods of Egypt


"But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in His wings; and ye shall go forth and grow up as calves from the stall."

Malachi 4:2

Pharoah Akhenaten 

The Pharoah, abandoned polytheism and declared Ra, the Sun God the only true God. After his brief and tumultuous reign, the Priestcraft of Egypt restored polytheism to Egypt.


Pagan winged gods were very commonly depicted. 

Winged God of Assyria


The God Ninurta of the Sumerians


Winged Hittite God


Winged God of Persia



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 The original God of Isra-EL, borrowed from the Canaanites who first worshipped EL is not depicted with wings. Nor is His son, Baal the storm god. Wings seem to have been removed from the gods of the surrounding nations when adopted by the Israelites.

Biblical Israel was polytheistic until it evolved into the more familiar monotheism. Before it did, EL/YHVH was a jealous God who did not take kindly to other lesser gods being brought into His presence.   It was not an argument that there were no other gods. It was merely a demand they not be brought into His presence based on his jealously and need to be worshipped as supreme with no competition from the other existing gods around Israel. 

Who Is El?

El was known as the supreme god of the Canaanites in the mythology of the ancient Near East. He was the father of gods and men and the creator deity. He is sometimes depicted as a bull and known for his tremendous power and strength.

Origins

El was an important god in Canaanite mythology. It is believed that he lived on Mount Saphon, close to the ancient Syrian city of Ugarit. He was very respected and was considered by the people to be all-knowing and all-powerful. He was incredibly wise and compassionate to those that came to him for guidance, but not always.



Offspring Baal (Also associated with Molech) Baal was also depicted as a Bull with the Sun symbol as El.  Bull worship was very common as the age of taurus was 4400 to 2300 BCE.

Mithras slays the Bull Taurus




 Mithras slaying the Bull icons depict the end of age of Taurus and the beginning of the Age of Aries the Ram/Lamb. At the end of both dominant ages, when the Sun is in the Spring Equinox, the god (Constellation) was slain. 

The Bull (Age of Taurus) died when the Sun moved into Aries and the Lamb of God died at the end of the Age of Aries, i.e. Jesus. 

Then began the Age of Pices, the two fish, which were adopted by the Christian Church as symbols of it as "fishers of men". and reminiscent of Jesus miracle of the two fish" 

This age is now ending and the Age of Aquarius, the Water Man is next up. 


Baal in human form


Originally, YHVH was a lesser god in the Council of the gods of El. This is the "US" that El is speaking to in Genesis when El says "Let us make man in our image" It is also the "US" of the Divine Council of the Gods EL is explaining to why man must be expelled from the Garden of Eden. 
Both the Knowledge of Good and Evil and living forever are only for the gods. The two trees in the Garden were "god-fruit" trees and the fruit of them was not for humans. Putting them in the midst of the garden, however, is like putting candy on the coffee table in the living room and warning the kids not to touch them or else. 

(Personally note: If Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil before eating the forbidden fruit, why blame them? Seems they did not yet understand the good of obeying God and the evil of not). 
 
Genesis 3:22

And the Lord God (EL)said, (To the Elohim or members of His Divine Council of the Gods) “Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live for ever”—

...out you go. 

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The following is an analysis of just how El evolved into YHVH and in the process, Any "wings" attached to previous gods of the Levant were clipped. 


First, the name Israel is not a Yahwistic name. El is the name of the deity invoked in the name Israel, which translates: “May El persevere.”2 

This suggests that El was seen as the chief god in the formative years of Israel’s religious practices. In fact, the etiological story explaining the origin of the name Israel occurs in Genesis 35:9-15, where Jacob obtains this name through the blessing of El Shaddai, that is “El of the Mountain.”

Second, there exist numerous parallels and similarities between descriptions and cultic terminology used for El in the Canaanite texts and those used for Yahweh in the biblical sources (see below). At some point, it is ascertained, the cultic worship of Yahweh must have absorbed that of El, through which means Yahweh assimilated both the imagery and epithets once used of El.

Finally, there is strong confirmation of this assimilation in the biblical record itself. 

In the oldest literary traditions of the Pentateuch, it is El who regularly appears and not Yahweh, or Yahweh as El! The patriarchal narratives identify El as the deity to whom many of the early patriarchal shrines and altars were built. For example, we are informed in Genesis 33:20 that Jacob builds an altar in the old cultic center of the north, Shechem, and dedicates it to “El, god of Israel” (’el ’elohe yišra’el ). There is no ambiguity in the Hebrew here: ’el must be translated as a proper name, El.3 The textual tradition from which this text derives, the Elohist, ultimately remembers a time when El was the patron god of Israel.

That El was the deity worshiped at Shechem is also attested in Judges 9:46, which speaks of the shrine of “El of the covenant.” The god of the shrine at Bethel, which literally translates, “house of El,” is additionally El—”I am El of Bethel” (Gen 31:13; cf. 35:7)—and appears to Jacob as El Shaddai (35:11; cf. 48:3). Jacob has another encounter with El at Penuel, which is so named because Jacob sees El face-to-face (32:31). 

Moreover, Isaac blesses Jacob through El Shaddai (28:3), and likewise Jacob blesses Joseph “by El of your fathers” (49:25). “El who sees” is given as the etymology of Beerlahai-roi in Genesis 16:13. And we are informed that Abraham journeys to the old cultic shrine at Beersheba, where he plants and worships a tree and calls on the name “El the eternal” and at the same time Yahweh (Gen 21:33). Contrary to Genesis 33:20, where the Shechemite El is presented unambiguously as the “god of Israel,” in Genesis 21:33, El is apparently already assimilated to Yahweh (see below). Finally, Genesis 14:18-22 speaks of “El the most high,” of whom the Canaanite Melchizedek is priest at Jerusalem.

This assimilation between Yahweh and El, or El into Yahweh, is present in much of the Priestly material as well. In fact, the Priestly source largely advocates this assimilation. In Genesis 17:1, the Priestly writer states that “Yahweh appeared to Abram and said to him: ‘I am El Shaddai.’” And Exodus 6:2-3, in contradiction to J (#11), has Yahweh assert: “I am Yahweh. And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El Shaddai, and I was not known to them by the name Yahweh.” Although the verse suggests an identification between Yahweh and El “of the mountain,” the verse also subtly recognizes an ancient distinction between the god of the patriarchs (El) and the god of the Mosaic era (Yahweh). But the assimilation is clear here: the patriarchs who worshiped El in the past were actually worshiping Yahweh, claims the Priestly writer.

Perhaps it is necessary at this point to ask: Who was El? And why is he even mentioned in the Bible in the first place, let alone as the god of Israel in the older literary traditions of Genesis?

Our knowledge of El predominantly comes from an invaluable corpus of tablets discovered in 1929 in the ancient city of Ugarit, a major city-state of the second millennium BC located on the northern coast of Syria, modern day Ras Shamra.4 The Ugaritic tablets are the best available witness to Canaanite religion and religious practices, and thus also “to the background from which the religion of Israel emerged, and to the Canaanite beliefs that it shared, adopted, compromised with, and sometimes rejected.”5 The Ugaritic literature depicts El as the sovereign deity of the Canaanite pantheon. He is frequently referred to as “Father of the gods,” “the eternal King,” and “Creator of all living beings.” El’s other epithets include: “El the Kind, the Compassionate,” “the Bull,” “the Ageless One,” and “the Father of Years.” He is depicted as bearded, and residing in a tent or a tabernacle, whose throne rests on Cherubim. He is the god of blessings and of covenants.

Many of these epithets and images later become assimilated to Yahweh. For example, Yahweh is often depicted as bearded, as King of the gods, as Compassionate, and as residing in a tent, whose throne, like that of El, rests on Cherubim. There are, in addition to this, numerous El epithets in various strains of biblical tradition—epithets that through a process of assimilation and adoption later become associated with Yahweh. We have already encountered El Shaddai, “El of the Mountain.” Like Yahweh who is associated with the mountain of Sinai and later in eschatological traditions with Zion, so too El resides on a mountain. Other patriarchal narratives attest the use of El Olam, “El the Eternal” to whom Abraham plants and worships a tree at Beersheba, El Elyon, “El the Most High,” the god of Melchizedek (Gen 14:18-24), and El Roi, “El who sees” (Gen 16:13).

These various El epithets are associated with different shrines: El Shaddai with Bethel, El the Most High, the creator of the heavens and the earth, with Jerusalem, El the Eternal with Beersheba, El who sees with Beerlahai-roi, and El the god of Israel with Shechem.6 Many of these shrines and altars to El were established by the patriarchs themselves (e.g., Gen 21:33, 28:18, 33:20, 35:14). It has also been suggested that the name Yahweh might have originally been a cultic epithet of El! The etymology of Yahweh, yhwh, is still unclear, but one proposal is to see it as the causitive imperfect of the Canaanite-Proto-Hebrew verb hwy, “to be.”7

It is propable therefore, as many commentators have contended, that the early Israelites actually worshiped El through his epithet ‘Yahweh.’ This process of assimilation is usually presented the other way around in the biblical literature: Yahweh is worshiped through the epithets of El: Shaddai, Olam, and Elyon.

Contrary to these biblical traditions that suggest an assimilation between Yahweh and El, there are other passages that seem to indicate that Yahweh was a separate and independent deity within El’s council. Deuteronomy 32:8-9 is one of those rare biblical passages that seemingly preserves a vestige of an earlier period in proto-Israelite religion where El and Yahweh were still depicted as separate deities: Yahweh was merely one of the gods of El’s council! This tradition undeniably comes from older Canaanite lore.

When the Most High (’elyôn) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he separated humanity, he fixed the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of divine beings. For Yahweh’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.

There are two points to take away from this passage. First, the passage presents an apparently older mythic theme that describes when the divine beings, that is each deity in the divine counsel, were assigned and allotted their own nation. Israel was the nation that Yahweh received. Second, Yahweh received his divine portion, Israel, through an action initiated by the god El, here identifiable through his epithet “the Most High.” In other words, the passage depicts two gods: one, the Most High (El), is seen as assigning nations to the divine beings or gods (the Hebrew word is elohim, plural “gods”) in his council; the other, Yahweh, is depicted as receiving from the first god, the Most High, his particular allotment, namely the people of Israel. Similarly, in another older tradition now preserved in Numbers 21:29, the god Chemosh is assigned to the people of Moab.

Other biblical passages reaffirm this archaic view of Yahweh as a god in El’s council. Psalm 82:1 speaks of the “assembly of El,” Psalm 29:1 enjoins “the sons of El” to worship Yahweh, and Psalm 89:6-7 lists Yahweh among El’s divine council.

Thus there seems to be ample evidence in the biblical record to support the claim that as Yahweh become the supreme national deity of the Israelites, he began to usurp the imagery, epithets, and old cultic centers of the god El. This process of assimilation even morphed the linguistic meaning of the name El, which later came to mean simply “god,” so that Yahweh was then directly identified as ’el—thus Joshua 22:22: “the god of gods is Yahweh” (’el ’elohim yhwh).

Noteworthy also is the fact that unlike the god Baal, there is no polemic in the Bible against El, and all the old cultic centers of El, those in Jerusalem, Shechem, and Beersheba, were later accredited to Yahweh. Since the large majority of patriarchal narratives that speak of shrines and altars to El are found in the northern kingdom, such as Bethel and Shechem, and, on the other hand, many biblical texts seem to accredit Yahweh’s origin to the southern Negeb, current scholarly hypothesis is that the worship of El in the north and of Yahweh in the south eventually merged. This thesis finds further support in the incident of Jeroboam, who may have acted to reestablish the cult of Yahweh-El at Dan and Bethel via his “golden bulls” (#155). In sum, the biblical literature, spanning as it does hundreds of centuries of cultural and the cultic traditions, preserves divergent views, portraits, theologies, and origins of its god Yahweh. We will come across others.

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So apart from a personal view of no gods with or without wings, I suspect David C Pack is just spinning more time killing foolishness which one, as "The Foolish Shephard" would, of course be expected to do to fit the title, as he does. 











Bob Thiel's "Man Of God" In Africa On The Run From The Police

 


Almost-arrested Radson Mulozowa 

with his kissing cousin wife 

being interviewed by Police


Lets see how Bob Thiel lies about this: 

Here we see a sick Radson Mulozowa begging Police not to arrest him on recent fraud charges as he claims he was too sick to go to prison. So, the Police let him go to the hospital with a warning to see them in 2 Days. Of course, he didn't show up to the Police station, now he's been on the run. 
 
The charges are as follows: 
 
My son Andre and me personally sponsored 130 Bibles to a tune of $1,400.00, plus also gave Radson Mulozowa an extra $600.00 to distribute the Bibles. He showed us the Bibles in his house a few days before we left for the CCOG Feast in Malawi 2021. He promised to give out the Bibles to all leaders in Malawi and Mozambique and one Bible to each household. 
 
Shortly after, I started getting allegations that the Bibles were never distributed. Radson Mulozowa assured me they were distributed but he didn't take pictures as his phone wasn't working and the allegations were false. I believed him because Dr Thiel said Evans Ocheing ordained him and Evans can be trusted as a Man of God.   
 
Fast forward, when I questioned Radson Mulozowa at the Police station during my recent trip to Malawi, he denied that he even knew me and denied I had anything to do with the Bibles. I was shocked he would lie to my face. So, I knew right then he sold those Bibles and lied. I stared at him the whole time and he wouldn't even look at me. Then I showed the authorities the proof of my receipts of money sent to him to purchase Bibles and also funds given to distribute Bibles. Also, the pictures we took at his house with the Bibles. The Police gave him 2 Days to bring evidence. Radson claimed he had a list of people given Bibles at his office. Police told him to come back on Monday with list. He of course never showed up or called. Can we say not good? 
 
Another thing that shocked me was Dr. Thiel's letter to the Police in defence of Radson Mulozowa saying I had no right to investigate the allegations. I really lost totally any respect I had for Dr. Thiel, for this action of trying to defend a criminal so the truth wouldn't come out. 
 
By the way Dr. Thiel knows full well who the American in Malawi was trying to impersonate him. He just doesn't want to admit it, as he always avoids answering questions or carefully guards his words to avoid responsibility. Also, what I find interesting in this videos Radsons' Kissing Cousin Wife that Dr. Thiel has been saying isn't a wife but his Cousin, really Folks!!!!!!!! 
 
The Rabbit Hole gets Deeper!! Terry Nelson


 


 

Saturday, September 23, 2023

Dave Pack Get's His Wings


Kaiju Dave

 

The wacky world of David C. Pack has had some ups and downs as of late while the Series continues to pound nonsense into the heads of the brethren.

 

There have been three messages since Pot Dave called Kettle Gerry a false prophet. “The Greatest Unending Story!” Parts 467 and 468 were on September 9, 2023. Part 469 was given on September 14, with Part 470 scheduled today to accost another "coulda-been a somewhat restful” Sabbath.

 

The Restored Church of God just endured its 47th prophetic disappointment over the past twelve months. You can extend the theological woes to 67 if you count back from Tammuz 1 (June 30) in 2022.

 

On September 16, the Kingdom of God did not arrive on the Feast of Trumpets as was taught for three months by David C. Pack. No matter how far he cheats the goalpost forward, time continually exposes him as a biblical fraud.

 

Part 464 – August 26, 2023

@ 16:04 My purpose now is to thoroughly and completely remove all doubt that the Kingdom of God does come at Trumpets.

 

Part 468 – September 9, 2023

@ 1:01:55 Like Christ comes in the evening, which would match a Jerusalem dawn. I'm not sure I'm right on this, but I can't see it or fit it any other way. We may go right up till Trumpets. But, if we do, then it's just Bang! Everybody's ready. I mean, right up to the moment the sun goes down in Jerusalem this Friday, which would be the middle of Friday for us.

 

@ 1:03:22 Now, I wanted to say that because it kinda sets us up. Does that mean we’re waiting for Thursday night? And the answer’s Maybe. Maybe. Could it be dawn a whole day later? I don’t know how…

 

Brave Dave had no choice but to teach this.

 

@ 1:36:20 Theoretically, the safer thing (and I believe the more cowardly thing) for me to do would be to lay out the picture and don't touch the year. Talk about Trumpets, but don't touch the year with a hundred-foot pole. To me, that would be cowardly, or it would be worldly-wise. Don’t do it ‘cause people can throw stones at ya.

 

@ 1:31:21 God would only promise Christ will surely come if He’d removed all doubt with indisputable metrics. Only 2023 (that I can see) brings surety. Doubting 2023 is practically a faithless attack on God’s word.

 

Pause.

 

If you doubt the teaching of Pastor General David C. Pack that the Kingdom of God arrives on Trumpets 2023, it is practically a faithless attack on God’s word. The stakes are high when it comes to buying into his malarkey. Now having both feet on the other side of that deadline proves that always doubting Dave is the wisest, safest choice.

 

Dave must have forgotten he made that point because five days later, after three long months of holding the line, within the last twenty seconds of his “last” message, Dave straps on his Prophetic Parachute in full view of the entire church who are left sitting in their seats wondering who will fly the plane.

 

Part 469 – September 14, 2023

@ 1:25:23 I still believe the Kingdom is tomorrow. But, I wanna just say something. Just wanna say this ‘cause I absolutely believe the Kingdom is tomorrow…But if we pass Trumpets for some days (I don’t believe that), but if we do, I think I know why. And next week, I'd explain, and you'd understand, and we'd go from there. So, that's my last thought. Hope you’re inspired. I absolutely am stick’n with tomorrow. Good night.

 

Life has three certainties: death, taxes, and Dave Pack failing.

 

As brethren slipped their meager green envelopes into the hungry basket during the offertory, that old familiar feeling returned. “We have yet more time, and this will just keep going. Wow. We can suppose we’re still on track because the Feast of Tabernacles will be in the crosshairs again this year. And Mr. Pack knew nothin’ was gonna happen on Trumpets before anyone else. So, he was right again.”

 

 

Spoiler Alert for Parts 467-469:

 

The Kingdom of God must arrive on Trumpets this year

God does not want David C. Pack to preach the Gospel

David C. Pack is King Elijah

David C. Pack is “one last” Lawgiver

David C. Pack is a Refiner’s Fire and Fullers’ Soap

David C. Pack kindles “the Fire”

David C. Pack will be a winged Kaiju sitting on a cloud

David C. Pack will reap the earth with his sickle

The Sixth King is…? Dave knows but refuses to say

     (Psst. He hinted one of the two options was President Joe Biden.)

 

 

Dave woke up on the defensive side of the bed before Part 467. The brethren have noticed he has grown quite accustomed to cold kickin’ it for his endless pontifications.

 

Part 467 – September 9, 2023

@ 00:10 Good afternoon, everyone. I should clarify. If the years ever went on, I would be standing to preach again. But, I have so many papers for these years, and not every time do I sit down. But, it’s so much easier to sit down…It’s not that I’m old and decrepit, but leaving the glasses here, people say, is very helpful to them.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

In the Church of God landscape, nobody sits more than David C. Pack. He has taken upon himself names and roles that belong to Jesus Christ. David C. Pack is the Branchthe Messenger of the Covenant, the Star of Jacob, Lawgiver, the Shepherd and Stone of Israel, and he is the one named THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Elijah will sit on David’s Throne before Jesus Christ will.

 

David C. Pack is literally showing himself that he will fulfill roles belonging to God. This is a sobering observation held by more and more brethren who leave RCG. How many boxes can brethren check in those verses before it gives them gut-wrenching chills?

 

We await a coming king, David C. Pack, as Elijah, who will work with an invisible Jesus Christ Who remains “in the background.”

 

Part 468 – September 9, 2023

@ 51:52 Christ is absolutely here. But, you can’t see Him. That’s why He arises in your hearts at a certain point. And I wanted that to be clear.

 

David C. Pack has become "the mighty man" he used to warn about. Never has one man become a more prevalent Swiss Army Knife of prophetic fulfillment. After Herbert W. Armstrong learns he mistakenly taught Christ instead of Dave all those years, he will be so ashamed he will crawl back into his grave.

 

 

Part 467 – September 9, 2023

@ 01:34 Let me add something that I neglected to say would be helpful to understand who delights in Elijah.

 

@ 02:38 “…and he’ll prepare the way before Me, the Lord whom you seek shall suddenly come to his temple, even the Messenger of the Covenant whom you delight in.” Every Levite who’s ever lived knows that there is a high priest coming. They know that Elijah the Prophet closes this book.

 

@ 04:02 And Christ had to get outta the way one time because they wanted to make Him a king. He knew that because Elijah would come as a king. And we never really talked about that. But that’s one of the things that Christ understood. “I gotta get outta here ‘cause I know they’ll make me a king.” Now we understand maybe they knew more about how Elijah would be a king how Elijah was the Branch in the past than we do today. Or the most do today.

 

No further proof was necessary to prove the King Elijah declaration. David C. Pack talked just enough to make it true and moved on.

 

The Word of God is Play-Doh for Dave to press through whatever shape fancies him. A verse can be literal or symbolic. A word can be exact, or it can mean the opposite. A bible figure can be Jesus Christ, or it can be David C. Pack. Only David C. Pack is qualified to know which is correct.

 

He perverts the Scripture by mixing a bit of truth with falsehood. Years ago, he warned us that the devil knows the best way to lie is to place it between two truths. David C. Pack has adopted the same methodology for his faux theology, hoping the sleepy-headed brethren do not realize he is lying to their faces. Talking until whatever he says becomes true, he exhausts them with constant changes and manipulating words.

 

Nobody in the New Testament mistakenly thought Jesus Christ was Elijah. The Pharisees asked John the Baptist if he was Elijah. The people wanted to make Jesus a king because they knew a Messiah was coming and Jesus was a descendant of King David. They repeatedly called him "son of David" throughout the Gospels.

 

There is no King Elijah in the Bible. Since only kings sit on thrones and Dave is going to sit on David’s Throne before Jesus Christ does, he had to give himself a preemptive promotion. Presto Chango: Elijah the Prophet is now King Elijah. ‘Nuff said.

 

The result is the same, whether it is because of stupidity, ignorance, arrogance, or the Spirit of Error. David C. Pack teaches corruption and cannot be trusted with anything he says.

 

 

In another example of talking until something becomes true, David C. Pack slipped in that Elijah is a Lawgiver and then moved on as if that did not have paramount implications.

 

Part 468 – September 9, 2023

@ 18:21 But, they’re not gathered to the Father until He comes as Shiloh, world peace. So, there is one last Lawgiver. You know, we talked about that man’s role who is descended from David until the Father comes.

 

If someone went to the restroom, they missed a huge point that was dropped like it was a little No Duh.

 

David C. Pack is one last Lawgiver, but he did not bother to elaborate after this. This was another colossal stealth acquisition to strike from column God and add to column Dave.

 

But do not take my word for it. No one is better qualified to comment on the teachings of David C. Pack…than David C. Pack.

 

Is “That Prophet” Alive Today? The Rise of False Prophets – David C. Pack

 

This never-ending acquisition of more titles better secures the false prophet’s followers under his spell. The man declaring himself That Prophet also claims he is The Lawgiver, The Voice, King,Father, The Messenger, Teacher of Righteousness, The Nail, among many others! Of course, there will be more in the future. Such is the working of a cult leader. But these divine and religious titles have all given him a tremendously powerful grip on those whose worship he seeks! God the Father is the only Lawgiver in the Bible.

p.52

 

Anyone claiming to be That Prophet, The Lawgiver…has literally attacked his flock with blasphemy and rank idolatry. Like any cult leader, his only possible objective is to seek ever greater adoration and worship—and that may currently include you! Such a one is an outright antichrist! This cannot be viewed any other way.

p.66

 

 

Part 469 is where things get Kaiju Sci-Fi. The point of the entire message was that Jesus Christ, God the Father, and Elijah have wings and will be gigantic when the Kingdom of God arrives.

 

Part 469 – September 14, 2023

@ 05:14 So, here’s my question: Is it possible God has wings? The Father has wings? Would that make it possible? Certainly, dudn’t say it outright, but would it be possible? Hmm.

 

@ 12:47 Does Christ have wings? Now, the world doesn’t know God or Christ have wings if they do. They are never depicted that way. Angels, yes. And sometimes saints. But not generally.

 

The Restored Church of God Church Administration Department gathered together the local congregation and employees so they could sit and hear their cherished “apostle” pose a question about God having wings that he immediately admitted is not expressly found in the Bible.

 

This must mean that during Part 470 today, David C. Pack can finally address age-old questions like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. He will also determine whether God can create a rock too large for Him to lift.

 

As an aside to volunteer full disclosure, Dave actually makes a convincing case that God has wings. Anyone who does an eSword word search can read everything Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy did.

 

This was my struggle while attending The Restored Church of God from July 2012 until March 2021. Every once in a while, the blind Dave Pack squirrel finds a Bible nut.

 

For the sake of argument, even if we all let Dave have his moment of biblical sobriety about God having wings, it does not make David C. Pack also accurate in any other regard. The devil can let a truth slip in to sell the bigger lie. The Tree did have knowledge of Good alongside Evil.

 

He may be right about this detail, but he is still wrong about the weightier matters of the Law. David C. Pack is still a false prophet, blaspheming liar, and a hypocrite. Correctly putting verses together about "wings" does not a true servant of God make.

 

 

Part 469 – September 14, 2023

@ 28:27 We know God is coming with great power and great glory, what nobody ever understood (and we’re just still starting), does He come also with mammoth size in a way we never thought? And fly as an eagle to what He does.

 

I have another personal admission.

 

God being so big He fills the sky, helped many verses make more sense to me. Though Dave never brought up the concepts, I can see where an enormous visible God looking down on grasshopper people would cause them to hide in caves to escape the face of Him who sits on the throne and desiring rocks to fall on them.

 

The concept of Jesus Christ being so large He fills one end of the sky to the other so every eye will see Him perfectly fits men's hearts failing them from fear on a global scale. At that point, it would absolutely be a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.

 

If David C. Pack turns out to be right about this, it does not erase the fact that he is a false prophet.

 

 

There is no topic the man can cover about the Father and Jesus Christ that does not somehow tie directly back to him. David C. Pack is now part of his own Trinity.

 

For those chuckling, things turn blasphemously sinister when Dave sees himself in Revelation 14.

 

Revelation 14:14

And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

 

@ 23:26 Now, the question is: How big is this person, this being with wings where the entire planet can hear them? We know he has a big voice and would be spirit. And now [laughs] it's looking like it's impossible to say doesn't have wings, and he says these big things.

 

@ 24:14 Now, he looks like the Son of Man. He can't possibly be Christ. But he looks exactly like Christ in verse 14, and some other angel tells Christ what to do? No, no, no, no, no. So, if someone in verse 14 looks like Christ and is sitting on a cloud…

 

@ 24:50 So, this is one who looks like Christ. We know Christ has wings. So, how does he not have wings? Christ rides clouds. We know that. The Father rides clouds. So, here are saints riding clouds and flying sometimes.

 

@ 1:05:18 I read that the servant David (this would be true of you) is higher, loftier than the kings of the earth. Do you mean his title is? Well, it says that God says when he comes to earth, this man he plants one foot in the in the ocean and one on land. Now, if he can do that, then you can do that. In Psalm 89, it says he puts his one hand in the sea and his other hand over the rivers. That’s talking about David. And he’s not the size of God. He’s bigger than the devil…He becomes the prototype of what we’re all gonna look like. Enormous. Enormous.

 

David C. Pack tells The Restored Church of God members that he will look like Jesus Christ.

 

2 Thessalonians 2:4

Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

How this gets past even the most passive biblically ignorant enablers at Headquarters is a study for psychologists to examine for decades. Even Ryan Denee should have caught this one.

 

For all his bravado, self-assurance, and humble acceptance of his own importance, David C. Pack is as lazy as he is dangerous. A single five-second eSword search utterly destroyed this foolishly blasphemous idea that he is the one “like the Son of Man” sitting on the cloud.

 

If David C. Pack bothered to use The 12 Rules of Effective Bible Study, he could have preemptively spared exposing himself as an extreme incompetent. He has spent years surrounding himself with mindless, wide-eyed drones who will confess even his doodies are amazing and powerful.

 

Hey Brad. The problem with conditioning yourself as a Chief Yes Man is that even when you are tossed a softball, you are too disinterested to realize you could have caught it and helped the team.

 

One verse proved how completely worthless Dave’s long evening walks with his spineless sycophants are. All the “ministers” at Headquarters have surrendered their testicles to the jar Dave stashed under his desk as part of their show of dedication and faithfulness.



Revelation 1:13

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

 

Revelation 1:13 proves “one like unto the Son of man” in Revelation 14:14 is Jesus Christ. David C. Pack now has two options.

 

1) Walk it back and blame the translators, his staff, the “good” men around him, or God

2) He is ALSO “this man” in Revelation 1:13

 

It is a coin toss as to which way he will go. Do not be shocked if he takes a razor blade to Revelation 1 to “explain away” the rest of the chapter. That would take bone-breaking verbal contortions.

 

David C. Pack is a blaspheming liar heeding to the spirit of antichrist. As stated by David C. Pack.

 

 

Dave urged ample caution to the disbelievers in the audience.

 

@ 55:01 So, I thought you would find that, you know, you wanna be just very careful. You dismiss this, then the next thing you do is dismiss the Law.

 

@ 1:21:09 Well, we gotta be careful. Don't add to God's word, particularly if you see it in the Book of Revelation or ya get the plagues. Subtract from it, say, "No, that's not literal," and subtract something from it, and you may find your name gone from the Book of Life. Be very careful when you read something like that.

 

The person who most desperately needs to hear those warnings and cannot is the man who uttered them.

 

If David C. Pack were to become a winged Kaiju, people should run away in terror. In fact, those in The Restored Church of God should be doing that right now.


Marc Cebrian

See: Kaiju Dave