Prophet Thiel Lays Down The Law For His Members: Men May Not Shave Their Heads Bald

The non-ordained self-appointed prophet Thiel has laid down the law today on how TRUE Christians in his personality cult are expected to act.

Why the 150-200 some people who left LCG to join up with Thiel allow themselves to be told what to do by this non-ordained wanna-be is beyond me.  If they really believed in the God they claim to then they would know that they are not required to subject themselves to the rantings of a delusional self-appointed false prophet.

The followers that jumped ship from Living Church of God are expected to:

Be pacifists: Most religions, however, that profess Christ chose to allow warfare and other activities that do not show love to one’s neighbor...Love, not war, is what life is supposed to be all about

Its really ironic that the non-ordained prophet starts off with this.  Most COG groups do NOT show love towards their neighbors.  Most never get involved in their communities, care for the homeless, work with prostitutes or take care of the sick.  Almost all COG's are inward focused instead of outward.  The standard thinking in Armstrongism has always been, "God is going to come and fix all of this in the millennium, so why should we."

Expect to be persecuted:  The non-ordained prophet quotes from John 5 to justify the belief that his little cult will be persecuted.

16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love one another.
18 “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. 25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause. (John 15:16-25)

There are no REAL Christans outside of the Continuing Church of God: The non-ordained prophet writes:

Throughout history, there have been true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (Matthew 16:16; Revelation 2 & 3).

Real Christians lived differently than most who professed Christ and they were often persecuted for it.  He then goes on to quote the Sermon on the Mount claiming this is what his group will be emulating. 

 When they do so this will happen:

This affects them at work, at school, and home and all the time. They are not only Christians when they attend church services. They try not to live as hypocrites. Nor do they view pornography, engage in fornication or homosexuality, or live a life of hate.

Many of the top evangelists in the COG view porn.  I has seen it in their homes when they were in Pasadena.  The COG has always been a hotbed of fornication.  The colleges were and a lot of the youth were doing it (and still do.)  Gay people have always been apart of the COG, always heave been and always will be.  They are in LCG and even PCG and RCG, though one wonders why.  As for hate, the COG's seem to hold a monopoly on it.

Real Christians pray 30 minutes each day: Real Christians pray and the Bible teaches this (Matthew 6:5-7). In modern times it has been suggested that Christians should strive to pray at least thirty minutes per day.

In "modern times" was only a directive of Armstrongite ministers.  The best prayer a person can pray is the single word, "Thanks!" or even "Help!."  While thirty minutes might be good for the righteous, a one word prayer many times is better than a bloviating 30 minute, "I want this, expect you to do this or intervene in this" type prayer.

Real Christians "fast."

Fasting was never a requirement of the early Christians.

Real Christians read the Bible (those who could read) and the more honorable ones daily

A word of warning to you slackers out there. The non-ordained prophet says you are not honorable if you do not read the Bible every day!

Real Christians tithe.

 Well of course they do!  How else would the non-ordained prophet sustain his lifestyle? Tithing is something else that is not a requirement for Christians

Real Christians avoid eating biblically unclean meats

There is no "law" telling a Christan what they can and cannot eat.

Real Christians are not dishonest at work or school. They do not lie or cheat. They do not go along with sin in organizations. 

That's rich considering how dishonest most in the upper echelons of the COG ministry have been over the decades.

Real Christians do not read horoscopes, practice witchcraft, or see fortune tellers

Real Christians do not have idols in their homes, wear “lucky charms,” etc.

In other words, if you have a cross on your wall or wear one you are nothing more than a piece of pagan filth.  God forbid if you have a rabbits foot or a four-leaf clover!

Real Christians do not have “filthy communications” come out of their mouths

Some of the foulest mouthed people I have ever heard have been evangelists!  One evangelist, greatly revered in Armstrongism, loves to say the word "fuck."

 Christians are to properly teach and bring up their children

The COG sadly has a legacy and a reputation of child abuse.  Beating kids senseless, child molestation and other abuses were daily occurrences.  The abuse of children in the COG was a direct result of the GTA and his child rearing booklet.  Meredith added to the problem with his strict authoritarian punishments.

Real Christian women dress modestly

I guess it is time to get out the measuring sticks once again!  Three inches below the knee women!  Three inches!

Real Christians do not get tattoos

Another laughable requirement considering the high number of COG members who have tattoo's (including women!)

Now to hair styles for women and men.  These are the same as Armstrongism has held in the past, though the prophet takes it one step further.  Men should not shave their heads bald because they are imitating pagan priests when they do!

Christian women should not have short masculine hair styles

Christian men should not have long feminine hairstyles 

Christan men do not shave their heads bald Since pagan priests tended to totally shave their heads, this does not seem to be a proper regular practice for Christian men (Leviticus 19:27; 21:5).

Really?  Really Bob!

Christians do not get drunk or participate in improper revelries

Another laughable requirement considering how many alcoholics are in Armstrongism.  Feast sites are known around the world for their excessive alcohol consumption.  Bars and restaurants stock up on alcohol before COG's come to town.  What kind of legacy is that?

Then my favorite comment from the non-ordained prophet. He wants his followers to know that they will be persecuted and mocked by people like me for holding to his standards he has set for them.  He justifies this by using scripture to get his point across:

So, Christians are subject to be talked about badly for doing what is right. The Apostle Peter also wrote:

12 Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; 13 but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. 14 If you are reproached for the name of Christ, blessed are you, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. On their part He is blasphemed, but on your part He is glorified. (1 Peter 4:12-14)

Thus, negative consequences from the world for being a Christian is expected.

 Real Christians do not observe religious pagan holidays or birthdays

Half of the so called "true" festivals that Armstrongism keep are carry overs from pagans in the time of the Israelites.  They were reworked for the use of the Israelites in their worship of God.  That's a fact that has been established throughout history.

Armstrongism has always been more concerned about external appearances than they have with grace.  As one person on a COG Yahoo group recently mentioned, the Church of God mind-raped us.  Sadly, many still allow it to this day.

Imprisoned Church of God Felon Still Says Jesus Is Returning May 19, 2013

Ron Weinland, potentially the first of many convicted Church of God leaders, is still claiming Jesus Christ is going to return on May 18, 2013.

The failed prophet had his second witless witness wife post the following on his March 18th blog posting:

Once God’s Church entered this prophetic day, the year of the Eternal, on Pentecost of 2012, Pentecost of 2013 seemed so far away. Our hearts had been set on the return of Christ to occur on May 27, 2012, but that did not happen. Then God quickly and mercifully revealed that His Son would not return until the following Pentecost of May 19, 2013.

The the king of idiotic prophecy uttered that Jesus Christ was returning on Pentecost last year, he had to back peddle really fast when nothing happened.  The failed prophet then claimed that the church had entered into a prophetic "day" in prophecy and would have one year left till his creature he claims is christ returns.

On Pentecost we learned why Christ had not yet returned, as we had entered a prophetic day in which God’s judgment would be executed. It would not be executed throughout that day, but within that day.

The only judgement that happened in this past year was that the Weinerdude found himself in court several times and then convicted for tax evasion.  The judgement handed down to him was 3 1/2 years in prison.

Like any great Church of God Apostle or Prophet the Weinerdude gives himself an out realizing he may just be full of gas once again.

Time will soon reveal if God will now bring such judgment upon the world within this time period of Passover to Pentecost or if there is more to be learned that has not yet been given for us to see. If we do not yet have a completely clear picture of the timing of these end-time events, then we will humble ourselves before God and seek to learn what we do not know. God’s people can see no more than what God gives to be seen, and God has given us much!

I can guarantee you right now that Jesus will NOT return on May 13th and that Weinerdude will still be in prison.  He will then claim they have another year because things were not ready.  Either the dumb brethren were doubtful or God has a purpose in delaying the return of Weinerdude's christ. We  have heard it all before. Idiot's all.

Bricket Wood England Campus: Setting For Scenes In New Movie "Plastic"

Like all the properties that the Worldwide Church of God originally owned, the Bricket Wood campus is being turned into a housing and wildlife estate.  While that work is still in progress the property is being used for filming, just like the Pasadena campus is.

A new movie is being filmed in Bricket Wood called "Plastic."  Part of it was filmed on the old Ambassador Campus.  I also found it interesting in the news article that "A Clockwork Orange" was filmed in the local woods.  I wonder if it was in the Ambassador woodlands.....too funny.

The spotlight shone brightly on Bricket Wood recently as production got underway on a feature film starring Downton Abbey’s Ed Speleers and Game of Thrones’ Alfie Allen.

Plastic, which has been described as a cross between Catch Me if You Can and The Italian Job, wrapped filming last month. Based on various true stories, the picture follows a gang of friends who manage to infiltrate one of the biggest credit card companies in the world and pull off “one of the biggest and most audacious diamond heists ever committed in British history”.

Producing the movie took its team and actors all over the world, with filming hotspots including Miami, Brunei and Manchester. But it was Bricket Wood which became the backbone of making the film and offered an ample canvas for a whole host of integral scenes for the fraud-based film.

Film crews set up camp in Hanstead Park – the site of the old HSBC training centre – which proved a fruitful location for production, with woods, an office block and a university-style building readily available. This is not the first time Bricket Wood has been on the silver screen; a scene in A Clockwork Orange is said to have been filmed in woodland near the village.

It is interesting that most of the movies being filmed on both campuses involve criminal activity in their film subjects.  I don't know much about life at Bricket Wood, but there was certainly enough criminal activity in Pasadena over the decades that would put these films to shame.  What a legacy we have left behind!

For more information on the redevelopment of the Bricket Wood Campus and it's future check this site out: Bricket Wood Portfolio.

The Talking Jackasses in the Philadelphia Church of God

The ministry in the Philadelphia Church of God has never been know to be the brightest of the lot.


The PCG seem to have attracted the worst of the worst from the COG ministry when it comes to legalistic ministurds who shackle their members in oppressive leg-irons.

When Lord Six-Pack threw his hissy-fit and stormed off to Oklahoma things have gotten progressively worse in his personalty cult.  Excessive spending, destroyed families, suicides and more. The ministurds apparently are getting crazier and crazier!

On the Exit and Support Network there is a page that lists asinine things that Philadelphia Church of God ministurds tell their members.  Its no wonder that Gerald Flurry demands that sermon tapes be destroyed.

Here are a few of the "Words of Wisdom" from these frauds:

• One time our pastor said, "You can't study the Bible too much or you'll get wacky." (No chance of that happening to those guys, right?)
• During a weekly sermon, our minister said, "Because I am a minister, I will always be over you in authority in the World Tomorrow." Somehow I can't find that concept in the Bible.
• When we were new in the PCG, our daughter had just been fitted with braces to widen her upper jaw and bring her molars in line so she could actually chew. The local elder found out about the braces and told us quite seriously that we could have had the same result just by "picking up a sturdy stick out of the yard and having her bite on it every day."  
• One time our pastor bellowed out, "I treat my wife like a queen, but she has to remember I AM THE KING!" What about loving her as his own body? Of course, no mention was made of that. 
• To justify spying on members, the minister told all of us, "We need spies in the church to help keep Satan out."
• One of the most ridiculous statements I ever heard was out of the mouth of Craig Winters. It came from a disagreement of what the Bible actually said and what he said it said. The end statement was: "What you need to do is get your head out of the Bible and stick to reading Mr. Flurry's books."
• Wayne Turgeon [Flurry's son-in-law] once told me, "It does not matter if Gerald Flurry was preaching outright heresy, I would still follow him."
• In a Spokesman Club meeting one time, Craig Winters instructed us, "You should not wear slip-on shoes, loafers or penny loafers, and don't wear shoes with tassels. Tie shoes are the shoes that you, as leading men in the church, should wear." We were discouraged from wearing "burgundy shoes" but "black and sometime brown shoes would be okay." Months after this lecture, the local minister and his three sons were all still wearing slip-on" shoes.
• When I said in a counseling session that I was not perfect, our local elder said, "Of course you're not perfect. If you were perfect, you'd be sitting here (pointing to his seat) and I'd be sitting over there." (pointing to my seat)  
• I will never forget the time I sat in services and heard Gerald Flurry yell, "He should have his head shot off! Then we will resurrect him, put his head back on, and teach him a thing or two about government!" (He was referring to a former member who had written GF a letter to ask him to repent.) 

Who knew jackasses could talk!

Dennis On: Dave Pack...Fo-Nay Home!

The Greek word for “voice” is phone (fo-NAY’)

DP...Fo-Nay Home!

"I'm invited?  Great!  See ya soon!"

Dear Mr. Pack, (maybe I will get through if I am respectful)

I have read your entire incredible and best ever letter written to all of COGdom.  You have a very loud voice (Fo-Nay) in print and in your Sabbath Service I am sure.  Unlike the Apostle Paul who felt he was troubled by a weak bodily presence as well, I'm sure that's never been a problem for you either. 

That being said, I'm feeling rather anxious over my eternal future since your "fo-nay"  letter spoke so plainly about my absolute need to return to the true Church begun by Mr. Armstrong and now continued by none other than yourself. 

You said:

"The most important and conclusive letter I have written to the Worldwide Church of God splinters has been posted! I promise this will be the single most crucial one you will ever read. If you do not read it all, it will be the worst decision you have made since God called you. Believe this!"

That was said with a loud fo-nay for sure and you got my attention.  Since me making the worst decision I could make is not reading it and I can think of some really bad decisions I made along the way since being called already, I feel compelled  to get the answers I need to make it through.

Your loud fo-nay went on to threaten my lack of understanding of your way of seeing all things GOD with not only committing sin which can never be forgiven, no, not in this world or in the next, but also a free eternal vacation of permanent non-existence, compliments of the Lake of Fire.  That's a lot of fo-nay to handle all in one sitting. Especially since I bet both your an my enthusiasm back in the day over what we were learning from the WCG as teens probably matched pretty closely.  My kids grew up where you were born and your kids were babysat by my parents as they grew up, so we have ties.

Mr. Pack...never in my life did I ever wish to speak with a phoney fo-nay.  I always , like you, just wanted to know the truth of the Bible.  Now we both know you and I are very good Bible readers.  We were so very well trained at reading the Bible.  On top of that, we got really good at reading the Bible in all sorts of orders and in all sorts of combinations to get out of it what we needed to get out of it.  We "hear a littled and there a littled" ourselves right into any truth that needed to be proved.  We were trained "Cobblemeisters" if ever there were any.  Line up line, precept upon precept, we cobbled our way through everything from "ye are gods..."  to "will a man rob God," and beyond.  We were the "Cut n Paste Church of God," and while many churches are also that, if not all, we were pretty good at it.  Well, you still are. 

Well, throw me in the lake of fire, I know, but I went on  to other perspectives too numerous to mention, but all very Biblical in nature and I really would love to share them with you.  After all, so much is at stake and being wrong seems to have such severe consequences.  The one scary thing about Christianity is that one must be the very correct form of it or else.  No pressure there!

We could talk about Adam and Eve and really get lost in just the first 11 chapters of Genesis wondering if they are literally true or a bit less than that.  We can really have a great time with women's issues, the fall, Original Sin, Noah and his Aardvarks and just were did all our human languages come from? I'd like to discuss evolution of all life and what in the Bible might just be mythically so but not so literally so.

 I'd just love to talk over those Two Trees in the Garden Mr. Armstrong spoke so often about and what they really meant .  Would it not be amazing to finally get the uni-plural rascal called Elohim straight once and for all?  Who are the "let us" and "we" El was speaking to and just what are Elohim in the first place?  Boy, we all about passed out when Mr. Armstrong said, "There were two trees in the Garden of Eden..."  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.  I always felt bad but we both had what was to follow memorized but good.  Finally, we can get it right!  Would that not be awesome?

I really have questions I'd like you to answer for me about the Gospels including the contradictions I think I see, Jesus birth stories and just what did happen when he died?  Rod Meredith won't talk to me about such things and he was the one who taught it all to us.  Harmony of the Gospels he called it.  Whoa..no offense, but I have found there is much less harmony than we had both been taught.   Alas...I appreciated his efforts, but he too was and is a mere Bible reader and he never once allowed me to ask any questions he might no know the answer to.  I know you would not do that to me. Our fo-nays must be clear on these matters if one is to feel the need to tell others how they should and must be in this life.  If we don't speak with a clear fo-nay, we might be perceived as fo-nee.  Get my drift???

Would love to discuss the Apostle Paul and his relationship to the Apostles with you too.  You and Paul both have much in common.  No one knows how the Apostle Paul got to be an Apostle and no one can figure out just who laid hands on him to do so, but with Bob Thiel being a Prophet without hands , we may be able to get to the bottom of this too.  You are an Apostle and I have the same question about that as I have about the Apostle Paul but we can cover that when you invite me to debate and discuss these things before the masses.  I think it is humorous that of the 24 times in the NT Paul is called an Apostle it is Paul who calls himself one 22 times.  Isn't that interesting?  Luke, his side kick called him one twice.  Other than that, I can't find where the original Apostles themselves said he was one.  I think the original rules for being an Apostle were that you had "seen" the resurrected Jesus , but those rules are confusing.  Mary should have been one to then I suppose.  Paul never met Jesus so his "have I not seen the Lord," was in his head as we know.  I think that was fudging the credentials of an Apostle.  I saw Santa once come down the stairs at my house, when I was little. I saw him so I guess I am a Santanist?  No wait...not that!!!  Never mind!

At any rate, one last time.  Since my former association as both member and minister qualifies me as one of those who will all return IF I get your story right , we gotta talk about your story.  I have some questions.  I believe I will know the answers you will give before you actually give them, but I'm not so sure you will know mine.  I don't wish to be in the Lake of Fire.  I don't want to commit any unforgivable sins (Christ must have not qualified enough to forgive that puppy!) and I don't particularly like being threatened with such things without a chance to question you and explain myself... Good questions well put can't be all that frightening can they?

So how about it?  Debate me. Sit with me before your own audience of believers and followers in the comfort of your surroundings.  I will be the one to step into your world.  To be fair, I will bring one person of with me to record accurately what is said so it can be accurately passed on to others like me who are in this danger of unforgiven sin and eternal death.  (I know how you used to redraw church boundaries when the next door minister wasn't looking so there would be more in your Church area, so I gotta keep an eye on ya a bit. ) Unforgivable sins and lakes of fire are not small things for us to ignore for sure, and I'm trying not to  but you gotta work with me on this one. 

Give me two hours during Unleavened Bread to sit with you during services and chat about these things before your church.  I won't bring or eat unleavened bread , pork or Jello the whole time .  To the Jew I will be a Jew and to a Gentile I can be a Gentile.  Now I never understood how one could trust an Apostle and what he really believed who thought that way, but it sounds good.  If you need til next FOT to prepare, we can do that too.

Debate me Mr. Pack.  Invite me to discuss all things Bible together before your own friendly folk who also claim to just want to know the truth of the Bible and if what you tell them about it all is accurate and inerrant in all things.    

And if you won't, or can't or shouldn't...don't you ever again imply that I or any of us who have puked our way through the drama and trauma of the World Wide Church of God are in mortal and spiritual danger, staring both sins that can never be forgiven and eternal damnation in a Lake of Fire, in the face,  for not joining your vision and version of the "Good News." 

If nothing else...think of the good press you will get and potential newbies you may reap if you can crush me in public with your real truth and awesome knowledge of who and what God and Je, Christ are doing on earth today. .

DP..fo-nay home.  We have much to speak freely about, in public and wherever you are comfortable. 

And no, I am not kidding

Dennis

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