Restored Church of God Members Deceived Into Thinking David C. Pack Never Set Any Dates

For many weeks, David C. Pack set about presenting his ultimate prophecy about the great coming reunification of all the Churches of God under his own superfantabulous tent.  That prophecy also included his specific promise that three COG leaders would die by a specific date.  Pack admitted he knew specifically who these three were as did The Sixteen.

When Dave's prophesied event failed to happen, Dave was stunned. How could his god lie to him?  What had he done wrong to irritate his god so much that he failed to keep Dave's utterances?  After a few days of wearing sack cloth and ashes, Dave immediately scrubbed certain dates and promises from his original posts.  Now when any RCG members goes to those letters they can state that Dave NEVER made such promises because it is plainly not there.

We all know for a fact that Dave never got on his knees and repented of his ludicrous prophecies.  Dave is incapable of sin and has admitted over and over that he searches himself for sin and can't find any.  Since his god also did not speak to him, Dave had to edit his prophecies in order to justify his god in not making the great reunification happening.

Dave will never admit he was wrong. He will never admit that he blatantly lied to his members and to the public.  The Sixteen, those loyal ministers who had their "eyes washed" will continue to stand by his side lying for Dave.  Dale Schurter, Larry McElroy and Wadsworth RCG pastor Gregory Kaidannek will continue to defend the false prophet that their "holy" bible tells them to reject.  These men along with David C. Pack are men without honor.
 Bob Theil has a excerpt letter up on his blog from an RCG member who denies that Dave Pack ever set any dates. 

09/09/13 p.m. Apparently, many of those in RCG are in denial about what has been happening. Got the following as part of an email today:

A friend of mine, is now attending with him and says that he didnt say that it would occur on that day. That people are misunderstanding him. I read it and he said it. Now, Dave-Pack had removed it and is saying something different. My friend says to me show me the proof.

This all reminds me of the COG members who to this day also deny that HWA and other COG minsters ever set any dates in 1971, 1972 and 1975.   Members are so blindly loyal that they cannot perceive their leaders to be capable of error.  That attitude comes from having pounded into them the concept that all COG leaders are directly under Jesus Christ in government and God cannot make a mistake.

What these members fail to realize is that their leaders are not loyal to them and could care less if they defend them.  Loyalty is a one way street in Armstrongism. It is from the members upward.  It is not from the top down, as true servant leadership should be.  COG leaders like Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry will continue to lie to the members and be disloyal to them till the day they die.

Dennis noticing some Waggle in the Wiggle

This ain't Rocket Science Folks...Oops, This is Rocket Science Folks

 

 

 

David C Pack's Pre-August 31, 2013 Comments on the simplicity and non-complicated nature of the Haggai Prophecy about Himself and RCG

 

"God Reveals Secrets

Before continuing we must also grasp something repeated from before. I am neither a prophet nor have I any self-prescribed authority to bring any prophecies. What will be shown is entirely GOD’S prophecy—from HIS WORD—explained and conveyed through the only office He ever uses to bring biblical truth to His Church (Acts 2:42; Eph. 2:20). The Bible warns that “no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation” (II Pet. 1:20). But God does work through His chosen servants. In fact, He never reveals His Plan through anyone else. The many sermons I have given, including much of what you have read and will read, bring GOD’S interpretation of phrases, symbols and terms that He uses, not my private opinions. The reader will find that a crucial part of Zechariah holds powerful keys, but was written in code. But nothing within it is complicated. Each verse has a clear explanation if we just allow the Bible—meaning GOD!—to interpret the meaning through other scriptures. The “code” it is written in becomes easily unlocked."

 

 

David C Packs Post August 31, 2013 comments on the complicated and puzzling nature of a the same highly complicated Haggai Prophecy about himself and RCG

"Mr. Armstrong puzzled and puzzled and puzzled over certain much less complicated prophecies. He often said that things he learned came over time—not all right away, or even close in some cases. There are points we learned “late” in what is an enormously complex prophecy. We knew from early on in our pursuit of the truth that this prophecy did not carry with it the kind of time that Mr. Armstrong always had to properly sort through prophecies—ones that, however great in magnitude as we know some are, were simpler to understand."

James Malm's "Logic" Believes That Some Leather Bound Bibles Can Be Unclean

James Malm's Pharisaical bastardization of the law continues unabated.  For some reason, hair and unclean skin has literally gotten under Malm's skin.  He has been blabbering on about this as he attempts to force his few acolytes into no longer using using animal skin products. 

What this idiot fails to realize is that if he really believes his own malarkey then his acolytes will have to get rid of some of their leather bound bibles because some are covered in camel skin.  What is an Armstrongite to do if he can't have his leather bound Moffit or original King James Bible is covered in camel skin?

Animal hair  or wool air is not unclean; however the dead body (including the skin) of an unclean animal IS unclean; therefore furs which are still attached to the skin of a dead unclean animal are unclean.

Hair / wool sheared from the living unclean animal is clean; hence the camel hair cloak of John Baptist.  It is perfectly acceptable to wear a camel hair coat, or something made of alpaca wool.

The hair of the dead animal, IS unclean; through its touching the dead body (skin) of the dead unclean animal.  The dead body is unclean and anything touching it is unclean.

In the case of a clean animal that dies of itself; it is unclean, along with its attached skin and hair or wool.

Herbert W. Armstrong Calls David C. Pack A False Prophet Hee Hee......

Herbert W. Armstrong calls David C. Pack and Gerald Flurry false prophets! 

This letter was written by HWA when the COG's other epic failure happened.  It is a dance by HWA around the fact that the Church of God, through Meredith and others claimed that the world was ending in 1972 and 1975.

Since all the various personality splinter cult leaders screech about how IMPORTANT government is in the church, Flurry and Pack refuse to follow the authority of Herbert Armstrong over them and their false ministries.

The words that Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry conveniently IGNORE:

Herbert W. Armstrong Personal

Tomorrow's World, June 1972

"Emphatically I am NOT a prophet in the sense of one to whom God speaks specially and directly, revealing personally a future event to happen or new truth, or new and special instruction direct from God - separate from, and apart from  what is contrained in the Bible. And I never have claimed to be, "There is no  such human prophet living today!

The Bible is the written Word of God - and, for our time it is COMPLETE! Never have I believed or claimed that God reveals to me new truths not contained in the Bible  -  in addition to, or apart from the Bible...

Let's take a look at the Church of God of the first century, as we find it revealed in the Book of Acts, beginning from the day of Pentecost, 31 A.D.  God then was still communicating new truth, instructions and knowledge directly and personally to prophets.  As the Church progressed, it was the function of a prophet to communicate TO THE APOSTLES special messages which God had personally revealed to them.

Others were inspired in the writing of the books of the New Testament.
So we read, in Acts 11:28 and 21:10-11, of the prophet Agabus.    But today  we have the COMPLETE Word of God, for our time, in the Bible.  
There are no such prophets - EXCEPT FALSE ONES.
June, 1972

Dennis Muses: "Giving up the Ghosts..."

Just What Do You Mean

"God Haunted"?

 

Brutus and the Ghost of Caesar

 

haunt (hônt, hnt)

v. haunt·ed, haunt·ing, haunts

v.tr.

1. To inhabit, visit, or appear to in the form of a ghost or other supernatural being.

2. To visit often; frequent: haunted the movie theaters.

3. To come to the mind of continually; obsess: a riddle that haunted me all morning.

4. To be continually present in; pervade: the melancholy that haunts the composer's music.

v.intr.

To recur or visit often, especially as a ghost.

n.

1. A place much frequented.

2. also hant or ha'nt (hnt) or haint (hnt) Chiefly Southern U.S. A ghost or other supernatural being.

 

 

God haunted is what James Malm, Samuel Kitchen and E.W.King are.  David C. Pack and Gerald Flurry are God Haunted.  All of those who listen to them are God Haunted.

 

Being God haunted, using the above definitions, to often visit the scriptures...any scripture found anywhere on any topic to try and discern what it must mean for you today and to pick a way in which it can control, alter or influence your thinking.  Mistaken and mispoken ministers do this to the congregation knowlingly or, more likely, unknowingly.

 

Being God Haunted is to continually obsess on everything from "God's plan" to "Jesus Christ NOW is _____"  fill in the blank.  It makes you wear or not wear certain clothes or kinds of clothes.  It dictates the foods you eat or don't eat .  It may dictate how you cook that food or even if you do.   Being God Haunted determines  the days you keep or don't keep as sacred or meaningful.  Being God Haunted makes one keep those days in exact and certain ways and times.  It calculates and measures.

 

 

Being God Haunted determines just how you view marriage and "roles."   If it is God/Christ/My Church Leader/Me and then my wife to be followed by the kids and their pets, the woman is going to find out real fast what God Haunted religion is going to do to her individuality.  God Haunted parents ruin kids and teach them that conformity in spite of individuality and the authenticity of each person is all that is required.  God Haunted parents forget they got to make life choices themselves unless they too are the product of God Haunted parents who only demanded conformity to the family ways, now pass it on.  God Haunted parents send their kids to God Haunted Summer Camps or programs where the kids then learn the fine art of either wearing the mask of conformity or the fine art of getting around the rules and having some fun.

 

Gerald Flurry is God Haunted.  His obsession with HWA and the Book of Malachi where in he sees himself as "That Prophet" is classic God Hauntedness.  It's also classic delusional thinking. He's not "that prophet" and he's not even that intelligent.  Gerald is Haunted by the Ghost of HWA who I am not confident was God Haunted in the same ways.  HWA had his ghosts but I don't perceive they were obsessions with how exactly to be and do things to be on God's good side.  Being God Haunted is the fear of doing something Biblically inappropriate or forbidden upon pain of death or being cut off from the Deity.  Purification rites are being God Haunted.  Washings and sacrifices are being God Haunted.  Giving money you really do not have to give is being God Haunted.  Allowing your pastor to badger you into giving up retirements, homes, possessions, stuff, time and effort , with the appropriate scriptures to back it up, against your better stomach twitching judgment, is being God Haunted.

 

Dr. Robert Thiel is God Haunted.  He worries about how God views football, make up and the role of women.  I suppose he has mused on NASCAR too.  I don't know.  But if the question came up, he'd have to search the scriptures for a principle with which to make a judgment on the matter.  That's God Haunted. 

 

Being God haunted agonizes over questions about what constitutes leavening or at what age my child should fast on Atonement.  It never crosses their mind to ask the child or even teen if they wish to participate of their own free will.  They are afraid they might say not this year and then the Deity will be really miffed.  Being God Haunted asks whether God approves of oral sex or not.  As one minister begged when the presenter at a Refresher Program thought this needed to be addressed "in the Church",  "Stop, stop...don't answer that!  You'll lose the entire French Church!"   End of discussion.

 

Being God Haunted begs for an answer to whether you can eat out on a certain day of the week or turn on your lights or stove.  Being God Haunted keeps you near breathless to hear the next "announcement" as to what God is doing this week which obviously  He forgot to include in last week's announcement.  Being God Haunted looks back at what actually happened as opposed to what one said must happen and rewrites the script to keep it ever about to happen.

 

And of course, David C Pack, head of the Restored Church of God, is God Haunted.  Seeing himself as spoken of by the prophet Haggai and Zechariah is classic God Haunted. It is classic mental illness as well I am sure by someone's knowledgeable definition.  I can't judge Dave's religious sincerity.  But he is God Haunted and obsessive about meaning and what God, Christ and the Devil are doing these days concerning his Restored Church of God and himself. . They all are and they search and search the scriptures to find meaning and to define everything they can think up to think on.   He is obsessive about all things HWA.  Being God Haunted never means "I was wrong,"  "I misspoke" or "I got a little carried away with scripture and I apologize."   It always means, "The Prophecy still stands!  We  (not I) were wrong in the "Timing."  And the God Haunted pursuit of the content of God's mind continues unabated and unexamined.

One of the worst explanations of scripture ever given in WCG as to how one should study the bible is found in  Isaiah 28 9-11

…9 "To whom would He teach knowledge, And to whom would He interpret the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just taken from the breast? 10 "For He says, 'Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there.'" 11. Indeed, He will speak to this people Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,…"



This scripture is God, MOCKING the drunken priests of Ephraim and their way of teaching.  It is God, through Isaiah, telling them they talk like babies.  Later God says if that's the way you want it, that's the way God will respond and we'll see how that works out for you.

New International Version
"For it is: Do this, do that, a rule for this, a rule for that; a little here, a little there."

New Living Translation
"He tells us everything over and over--one line at a time, one line at a time, a little here, and a little there!"

These are not compliments and certainly NOT how one should study scripture to get "Gods intended meaning" or to promote "Letting the Bible interpret the Bible." 
 

When I was pastoring in Kentucky, people would tell me that various areas or places "had the Haints."  That meant it was haunted.  It had ghosts and was full of strange and weird things and happenings. 

 

Is there a cure for "the Haints"?  Only time and with experience I suppose.  Some clear thinking people, and I'm not seeing a lot of that in some of the COG membership as they sit week after week being entertained by the fairy tales of a Dave Pack or the lesseer players like Thiel, Malm, Kitchen and King,,  will reach the point of clarity and finally give up the ghosts.

Many won't and really probably can't. 

 

On this topic in the behaviors, requirements and machinations of the key players in the Church of God unending God Haunted drama, it will take time and a deep level of finally coming to see what "by their fruits you shall know them" actually means to the observer of these things.   This is the only real Ghost Buster I know and you'll know it when it shows up.

 

It usually presents itself when you hear the voice in your head, almost mid sentence or mid sermon say...

 

"This is stupid...I ain't afraid of no ghosts"