Wednesday, July 20, 2022

Tony Roach is Back With More Revealed Knowledge! God and Jesus live in the sun!!!!!!! Holey Moely Batman!

 

The home of God and Jesus and the future Kingdom of God...


It has been some time since we have featured one of the "newer" prophets of the Church of God, Tony Roach. Bob Thiel and his mindless utterances are simplistic compared to the wisdom that comes from Tony Roach!

Tony Roach joined the Ambassador College Facebook page today and immediately started spewing his wisdom:


There is a lot that has happened since Armstrong's death... I was able to foretell the day Tkatch would sell the Worldwide Church Of God By counting the days of Daniel mentioned by Daniel and Jesus from When the WWCOG came to Orlando to the NAE and joined excepting the mark of the beast and setting up the abomination that maketh desolate... I won't go into all the detail here but you can read all about it on my page... Most fascinating... Also... The Spring Harvest of Souls has past in 2020 cloaked in a veil of the corona virus.... We now wait on the Fall Harvest of Souls which will be in 7 years.... The tribulations begin Sept 16, 2023... The two witnesses are "The House of Israel? and "The House of Judah"... There is much more you've missed.... With Love Always Tony Roach 

And then there was this about the location of the Kingdom of God and where God's throne is:

I hope you don't mind if I tell you the things you have missed since Armstrong's death... Here is one... The reason Babylon began worshiping the sun and the keeping of Sunday, Xmas, Easter, etc is because Nimrod new the Kingdom of God was on the sun... Here are the scriptures....
Isaiah 33:14 

This by itself is why no one can ever take Armstrongism seriously anymore.  

...Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? (Pagan Churches teaches it is sinners but notice) 
 
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil 

The stupidity continues...Satan used to dwell on the sun till he rebelled...ho hum. 

Satan was on the sun in the Kingdom of Heaven at one time... 
 
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; THOU HAST WALKED UP AND DOWN IN THE MIDST OF THE STONES OF FIRE. 

And, God lives on the sun! 

God is on the sun... You are going to think God's ways are strange... It's already been recorded in Hosea 8:12... I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing. 
 
But here are the facts... 
 
The Babylonians back in Nimrod's era and the tower of Babel... Nimrod set himself up as the sun god and his wife/mother as the sun goddess... They new Jesus and the angels and such were on the sun... This is what began paganism and the worship of the sun and the sun goddess... Sunday... Sun god's birthday; Christmas... Sun goddesses birthday Easter all stemmed from these Babylonian Pagan beliefs... 

Armstrongism is filled with so many myths about Nimrod that it is ridiculous and almost all of them are in error, including the ones Bob Thiel throws out.

Yes you may think this to be strange that Jesus and the Kingdom of God is on the sun... But check out the scriptures... 
 
First God appears to Moses in the flames of a burning bush in Exodus 3:2-4...
When Jesus appears to Ezekiel notice the discription in Chapter one... Notice in verse 13, the creatures appeared as burning coals of fire... 
 
And in verses 26-27.. where it descsribes Jesus it is recorded... 
 
Ezekiel 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
In Revelation 19:11 it describes Jesus' eyes as a flame of fire... 
 
In verse 17 it is recorded... "AND I SAW AN ANGEL STANDING IN THE SUN..." 
 
In Revelation 10:1 it is recorded... 
 
And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 
 
Think about it.... 
 
As you will see Lucifer was once in heaven in the Kingdom Of God.... in the midst of the stones of fire... Check this out... 
 
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; THOU HAST WALKED UP AND DOWN IN THE MIDST OF THE STONES OF FIRE. 
 
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: AND I WILL DESTROY THEE, O COVERING CHERUB, FROM THE MIDST OF THE STONES OF FIRE.
Isaiah 24:15 Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea. 
 
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 
 
Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. 
 
Psalms 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: 
 
Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. 
 
Ezekiel 8:1 And it came to pass in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me. 2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. 
 
God gives us the story of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, in the book of Daniel Chapter 3 when they were thrown in the furnace and survived... 
 
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 
 
1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 
 
Psalms 84:11
FOR THE LORD GOD IS A SUN AND SHIELD 
 
That does not mean you worship the sun!!!!

So many in the COG want the church to be taken seriously, but how can it when simpletons like this are running around. Between Roach, Thiel, Weinland, Pack, and Flurry, the COG has zero credibility anymore. It has become a laughing stock, not from the persecution of the world, but inwardly by its own making. 

Worldwide: the Unchosen: Church Candy…An Interview With LaNisa Frederick


worldwidepod Think #cults are just for white folks? Think again. LaNisa Frederick talks with us about her time in Worldwide in the Cincinnati Central congregation. Her dad was an enthusiastic member but her mother did not attend, causing some interesting family dynamics especially at holiday time. This is LaNisa in her church cheerleading outfit 😂😂 and her dad featured with his church baseball team! 
The Fredericks attended the Cincinnati Central church


 

Tuesday, July 19, 2022

PCG's Lil'Joel Hilliker Reminds Members Bedroom Hair Is Unacceptable In The Morning

 

PCG is rerunning an article by Lil'Joel Hilliker that asks, "Is Your Home Uplifting?" That is a pretty loaded question for someone in the Philadelphia Church of God to be asking considering the horrific treatment of children in the PCG and of their parents. Remember the story about the family that was encouraged to dump their teenage daughter at the mall so the state could take care of her so that the family could devote that money used to care for the daughter to the church? Or, the constant belittling of members that has led to numerous suicides? How quickly they sweep it under the rug.

Never mind that though, this is more important to be able to quote from Herb's book, The Missing Dimension in Sex.

“If you want a happy marriage, be far more particular about all such things after marriage than before. Be careful about your sleeping garments—be sure they are neat, clean, attractive to the other. Be careful about your hair especially on rising in the morning. The very first thing I try to do on rising is to get a comb and brush, before my wife sees tousled and messed-up hair! …

When will the PCG ever leave the 1980's behind, or, in the case of the book, the 1920's when Herbert was having a hard time trying to seduce his frigid wife, Loma? That is the main reason he wrote the sex books in the church. If you did not know better you would think that Herb was still alive and telling them what to believe. There will be people in PCG who will believe what this twit wrote and think they need to do it every single morning now.

He ends with this, which is as far away from a description of the homes of PCG members as possible. 

Everyone needs praise, and needs to feel admired and appreciated. Especially our impressionable children. Sometimes we can get into a bad cycle of correcting them, and always seeing their mistakes. This can be a trap. When you see something praiseworthy, tell them so! You’ll see them blossom like a flower receiving water. 
 
Let’s make our homes training grounds in putting God’s love—the most positive force in the universe—into action, every day.

When has a COG ever praised its members? 

When has a COG, particularly the PCG ever been a training ground for Godly love? 










Steven Hassan on Armstrongism and the issues facing children and second-generation members born into cults.




Steven Hassan discusses Armstrongism as he interviews Tricia Jenkins. He has spent decades helping COG members escape the church.

Tricia Jenkins, Ph.D. is a podcaster and professor of film, TV, and digital media at TCU in Fort Worth, TX. She is the author of three books including The CIA in Hollywood, as well as Superheroes, Movies, and the State. Her new podcast, Worldwide: The Unchosen Church, features stories about growing up in the Worldwide Church of God- a doomsday apocalyptic cult. We talk about issues facing children and second-generation members born into cults. Details about Herbert W. Armstrong’s authoritarian cult group, an influential Christian right group, and its history are fascinating.

RCG: Enabler-in-Chief (Part 3) “Stepford Prime” Edward L. Winkfield

 


Enabler-in-Chief (Part 3)

“Stepford Prime”

 

The Restored Church of God should change its name to The Stepford Church of God to more accurately represent the mentality of the ministry.

 

The original intent of Part 3 was to examine the office of evangelist, which Bradford G. Schleifer currently holds (per Dave). However, while pulling quotes from two other enablers at The Restored Church of God, it became clear that those men deserved more adequate attention than just being a support element for the Brad story.

 

Prepare to enter the Bizarro World of Christian-living sermons inside The Restored Church of God. Messages are presented as “feeding the sheep spiritual food," but in reality are distorted manipulations that pervert the word of God. They act as insulation against concerns about David C. Pack and the continuous prophecy failures.

 

Propaganda disguised as godly teaching. Shackles disguised as biblical tools.

 

A true Christian-living message helps someone to have a greater understanding of the Bible so that they can be better equipped to make the journey to the Kingdom of God. The principles learned can apply to all aspects of their life and help them beyond the intent of the speaker.

 

That is what they used to be inside RCG. Those days are long past.

 


 

Edward L. Winkfield is the Prime Stepford Wife in the RCG ministry. Under Brad, he loves to lead the retch parade of manipulation and Dave-cheerleading.

 

Ed is technically #4 in The Restored Church of God pyramid, but may someday overtake the #3 slot, which is currently held by Ryan P. Denee.

 

For a long time, the Denee name was royalty inside RCG. Considering Ryan is “the last man standing” of that once-glorious dynasty, Dave probably slathers him with just enough butter to keep him around. If the last Denee falls, then Dave would have to wander the halls in search of another family to appropriate for himself.

 

So, if Ryan is higher on the food chain than Ed, why not address him next?

 

He is just not a “damage control” type of guy. In all my time there, I never heard him touch the topic. He lets other men pick up the bullhorns and trumpet for Dave. That is not Ryan’s style.

 

On the other hand, Ed is a pure Dave-enthusiast through and through. He gets the gold medal when it comes to delivering a classic Damage Control Sermon.

 

On March 6, 2021, Edward L. Winkfield delivered a message titled, “Stay Immune to Heresy.”

 

It is one long David C. Pack love-fest wrapped in the package of a Christian-living sermon. For the first half, all the scriptural points seem to be enriching and edifying. Deceptively so, as it was designed to lull you in and catch you off guard.

 

While listening to this as it was delivered at Headquarters, I began to wonder if he was going to weave in a parallel about the Greatest Unending Story series.


Oh boy. I had no idea what we were in for.

 

The true heart of the message was finally revealed at about half way in:

 

@ 43:06 Now let's talk about the prophecy series. Some have left us. Some few, it's not many, but enough to warrant what I wanna say here. Some have left us claiming that the Restored Church of God is off track. My response is: According to who? You? Who died and made you the the determiner of whether God's church is on or off track? What a pompous, arrogant thing to even delve in to. God's church is not off track. Far from it. Far from it.

 

If you witness escalating corruption of biblical knowledge and take issue with it, according to Edward L. Winkfield, you are pompous and arrogant. Not for acting on it, but for even considering it.

 

Your gut may be screaming at you, “What is going on is wrong! We are not the church we used to be!” But that just means you are full of yourself.

 

Paint on a placid face and repeat silently: “The church is on track. The church is on track.”

 

Turn off your brains, folks. You do not want to be pompous and arrogant.

 

***(SPOILER ALERT)***

 

This entire message is an abomination.

 

According to Ed, if you disagree with Dave and the fraudulent prophecy series…

 

You are pompous and arrogant.

You are insulting.

You are the only one who has a problem with it.

You just don’t like the process.

You just don’t like what you are hearing.

You are a heretic.

Your discernment is backwards.

You are unlearned and unstable.

You are twisting the scriptures.

You are going to destroy yourself.

You are rejecting the knowledge of God.

You lack God’s grace.

You are rejecting Dave as a master at prophecy.

You are rejecting Dave as God’s servant.

You think you know more than God’s apostle.

You lack humility.

You are rejecting wisdom.

You don’t know your Bible.

You are a Pharisee.

 

Yes, all of that in one message.

 

@ 44:14 The problem is some few among us choked on prophecy. That's the issue, but it became “the entire church is off track.” That gets my goat when I hear it. First of all, you're insulting me. You're insulting all of my friends. We're hearing the same thing you're hearing. Why don't we have a problem? It's an insult.

 

What members have “choked” on since 2013 has been repetitive nonsense, confusion, and theological trickery.

 

Why don’t YOU have a problem, Ed? I recommend you listen to a great RCG Ambassador Center class called “Critical Thinking.” It would be well worth your time.

 

Turn off your brains, folks. You do not want to insult Ed or his friends.

 

@ 44:47 People choked on prophecy. It's what happened. They either didn't like the process or they didn't like what they were hearing. And they bolted out of the church calling us heretics when they were the heretics. I'm not trying to put anybody down. I’m just not gonna stand here and mince words. They flipped the narrative. We're the heretics. What? No, it's the other way around. It's the other way around.

 

People do not leave RCG just because they “don’t like” the process. Even though the “process,” is a perpetual back-and-forth “it is” “it is not” and “this means X” “no, this means Y” cycle.

 

People do not leave RCG just because they “don’t like” what they are hearing. Even though what they are hearing is falsehood gift-wrapped as God’s will.

 

People do leave RCG because a man who claims to be an apostle and a prophet sets dates for the return of Jesus Christ and fails. Repeatedly. Then enablers like Edward L. Winkfield use Sabbath services as a platform to sell how “on track” RCG is despite all the warning signs.


People leave RCG because the Bible exposes such men to be false. Even David C. Pack in his own “90 Reasons to Follow the Truth” series said to flee a corrupt organization.

 

Turn off your brains, folks. You do not want to be a heretic.

 

@ 46:08 Paul wrote and talked about things that were hard to understand. That's what it [2 Peter 3:16] said. They were difficult to comprehend…But what happened was you had “unlearned and unstable” people who twisted what he [Paul] was saying and what he taught. And not only did they twist what he was saying and taught, they ended up twisting other scriptures and they did it to their own destruction. How familiar does that sound? How familiar does that sound, brethren? And they destroyed themselves. 

 

Another RCG gaslighting moment. This sermon is full of them.

 

Turn off your brains, folks. You do not want to be unlearned or unstable.

 

If anyone doubts that these quotes are real, feel free to listen to a sampling yourself:


(listen to heresy clip 1 at end of the article)


@47:51 We are to grow in grace, it’s saying grace throughout and also the knowledge of God…How do you grow in the knowledge of God? What does it look like? The last five-plus years. It’s exactly what it looks like. Growing in grace, brethren, is required for this series. Bet you never thought of that. Growing in grace is required for this series.

 

If it truly looks like that, then we are all doomed.

 

Growing in gullibility and blindness is what the series requires. Closing your eyes, closing your ears, closing your Bible, closing your brain is what the series really requires, Ed. It looks like you have done that and you love it.

 

@ 51:00 God’s apostle, Mr. Pack, is an elder in the faith. He knows how to handle prophecy. He knows how to do it. He’s been doing it his entire ministry. He knows how to handle prophecy. He’s good at it. He’s a master…that’s a man who knows what he’s talking about…We should be submitting to him as God’s servant. As God’s servant. We recognize where he is in the Government of God. So, we should be submitting to him as God’s servant, not the other way around.

 

Dave is a master at handling the word of God deceitfully, for sure. Here we are sixteen months beyond this message and Dave is still doing it. And Ed is still there.

 

With Tammuz 15 fresh in your mind, do you still think he is a master?

 

If anyone wants to listen to a grown man gush like a high schooler with a crush, click here:


(Listen to heresy clip 2 and end of article)

@ 52:07 We do not know more about prophecy than God’s apostle, than Mr. Pack. And no, I’m not looking for a raise anyone. I’m not, you know, I don’t hafta suck up to the boss. But he knows what he’s talking about. He knows what he’s doing. He knows how to handle the word of God. If we wanna understand what is a difficult series, even difficult for him…ask God for more grace and to understand the things that we’re learning.

 

I understand it pretty well, actually. It was false prophecy nonsense before I left. It is still false prophecy nonsense today. And guess what? It will continue to be false prophecy nonsense until Jesus Christ returns.

 

Critical thinking is shamed. Proving the truth is shamed. Accepting the obvious is shamed.

 

@ 52:46 Be clothed in humility. Humble. We have to be humble ourselves. God gives grace to the humble. If we’re clothed in humility, brethren, we’ll be just fine.

 

If you no longer believe Dave, you are not being humble. Well, I want to be humble, so I better keep quiet. Despite what the Bible says. So, I’ll just continue to sit, turn off my brain, and just be humble all day.

 

@ 56:04 This series is helping us to get to understand God. To grow in the knowledge of God. That’s what it says. You can’t deny it. It says it. That explains it.

 

That is vile. The “god” Dave is presenting to RCG is not the god I want to worship. A cruel trickster dangling the eternal carrot on a stick. The Master who will never really throw the ball. A god that forces his apostle to lie to his people and then threatens them with burning if they do not choose to endure. A god of confusion who never makes good on his promises. A god so inept, he just cannot get his chosen servant to get the math right.


No thank you.

 

@ 1:01:58 Be patient. God will work things out. Wisdom and knowledge is coming through this series. It’s happening. It’s happening. Don’t miss it. Just because what we’re talking about is hard, does not mean the church is off track. Just because you’re confused, “Oh clearly, the church is off track.” No. No.

 

If you no longer believe Dave it is because you are impatient. You are rejecting wisdom. You are rejecting knowledge. Wow. Ed makes this series sound super-duper important. It is a good thing that it has dragged on for so long and fumbled so many touchdowns.

 

I wonder what Ed had in mind when he said, “It’s happening.” You mean “knowledge” like The Night To Be Much Observed turmoil at the time?

 

Dave moved the date of NTBMO that even Herbert W. Armstrong had settled on from the eve of the First Day of Unleavened Bread, all the way to the last. A dumb idea for dumb reasons. For over six months, Dave held on to this. Until it started approaching and then the logistical reality began to settle in.

 

By this point, I had enough of the nonsense and started to more openly joke with people in the office that on the NTBMO 2021, I was going to order a pizza. Because after sunset that night, eating leaven was no longer a sin. I could do an entire article about the absurdity of that premise. But, Dave did another 180 the week before and returned it back to where it always was.

 

Yep, God’s wisdom and knowledge is self-evident in that one.

 

I bring this up because Ed delivered this message during that “doctrinally fluid” space of time. Come to think of it, RCG has been in a continuous doctrinally-fluid state since Elul of 2013.

 

@ 1:09:25 Heretics that have baulked at this series, they don’t know their bibles. They pretend they do. They talk like they do. But if you ask them some specific element or something, they don’t know what they’re talking about….They think they know. They’re like the Pharisees, “Oh, we know.”

 

Once Edward L. Winkfield gave this message, he officially became Stepford Prime. This was the sermon where I personally lost ALL respect for him. Years of admiration and goodwill were erased inside 45 minutes. 

 

He went up to the lectern on that Sabbath to protect the prophecy series and David C. Pack, not to protect God’s people. The whole message is one big psychological beat down.

 

Listening through the rest of the message was painful, even at 2.5x speed. Every verse and every point from here on supports the madness. It is a disgusting use of the Bible.

 

This message was delivered in 2021. We now are living in a post-Tammuz 15 world. I wonder what perverted message Edward L. Winkfield will deliver now. What other godly principle will he pluck from the Bible to warp and throw in the face of God’s people?

 

If I were Stepford Prime, here are things I would present to those in RCG:

 

Pride: “Tammuz 15 was part of God’s process. Those who are upset are just being prideful. ‘It didn’t go the way I wanted!’ The devil was full of pride and see what happened to him.”

 

God’s Will: “We don’t always understand how God is going to work things out. We should seek His will, not fight against it. It was God’s will that His apostle, Mr. Pack, did the math the way he did. If you have an issue with that, take it up with God. It was God’s will to have the church endure this. So, don’t fight against God’s will.”

 

Obedience: “Christ was obedient unto death. He received His stripes without a word. Brethren, having a few days pass on a calendar…is that really a hard stripe? I mean, the weather has been wonderful this year so far. Aren’t you glad the day passed into another beautiful one? Be obedient to the process and to God’s Government the way Christ did. Submit, brethren.”

 

Shall I go on? (Ed, if you use any of these, you will also owe me sixty bucks.)

 

It was painful to watch RCG sink into the mire. It was painful to listen to David C. Pack embarrass himself week after week after week.  It was painful to hear how “on track” we were from the propagandist-enabler, Edward L. Winkfield.

 

The pillow he uses to protect Dave may not be as large as Brad’s, but every pillow helps.

 

I cannot help but wonder: If Ed ever left The Restored Church of God, would this message be a source of his greatest shame?



 


Heresy Clip 1 

Heresy Clip 2

Marc Cebrian