Monday, December 3, 2012

UCG Members Told To Fast That Earthy, Sensual, Demonic Influences Stay Away From Upcoming Conference

UCG has a conference coming up.  Robin Webber has laid out the agenda for the meeting and has this to say.  Notice that Jesus Christ is not the focus of their conference. Jesus Christ once again is not to be found. Grace is not to be discussed.  The list could go on and on. 

Instead UCG is focused upon the negative.  Evil is out to destroy UCG.  God is an impotent wuss that cannot keep UCG safe.

If UCG were really grace focused and were believers in the Jesus Christ they claim to follow, then they would not need to be sitting around for several days worry about envy, lies, or earthy sensual demonic influences.

We are humbled by the task set before us. More than ever, we are in need of God’s grace, mercy and direction on all our lives. Since my recent selection as chairman, my eyes have more than once visited the admonition found in James 3:13-18: “Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.”

Will you please pray for us towards this end? If you can set aside time to fast this coming week, before the upcoming meetings, that would truly be meaningful. We sincerely seek Almighty God’s direction and not our own. On behalf of the Council and Administration, I implore you as your brother in Christ. As you bow your heads before our Heavenly Father, we will surrender our hearts, roll up our sleeves, and get on with the work.

I had to laugh at that last line.  This is the same thing they have been saying for decades.  They said this same thing while part of WCG as they connived and manipulated in the background while in WCG's employ.  They said it while they were rupturing into COGWA two years ago. 

That last line has never worked because not a single one of them actually believe it!  They have no idea on how to surrender their hearts. They have never worked an honest days labor in their lives where they had to dirty their fingernails or strain some muscles.  More importantly, they have never accomplished a "work."


Anonymous said...

Cult leaders are always masters of theatrics and propaganda, and in this regard, RW deserves an extra gold star. He's a regular P.T. Barnum.

If past history is anything to go by, envy, selfishness, boasting, and lying are alive and well in UCG, so I guess RW does have a point. Only thing is it isn't demonic, the leadership are fully capable of taking care of all these things for themselves, without supernatural assistance. And in this regard also, RW again deserves an extra gold star.

Lake of Fire Church of God said...


Why are the dumb sheep always asked to give up their morning coffee and dunkin donuts, lunch and dinner just because some Armstrongite offshoot cult leaders need more money?

Isn't God bigger than Satan and his earthly, sensual and Demonic influences?

Why do these idiots and their dumb sheep tithe slaves think God wants to see the brethren abstaining from their Dunkin Donuts before the Eternal will act?

What would the typical tithe slave Homer Simpson do without his morning donut? Doesn't God give a rats ass about that?


Anonymous said...

A real God would not need money or humans to make its point...


Douglas Becker said...

The income is stable

Where is this nonsense about "decline" coming from?

Nevertheless, this is just the wrong approach from Robin Webber. All the UCG should have learned from Herbert Armstrong: You need to live large with luxury and impressive materialistic life style. Ronald Weinland sort of got it right (except for the felony conviction).

Here's the deal, for you who are too dense to get it: The reason Herbert W(olf) Armstrong succeeded whereas these bozos fail is because had had a dinner table with $100,000 worth of utensils made of silver and gold. He had a "Temple" built with gold foil above the stairwells. He had paintings from Masters and handed out Steuben Crystal to World Leaders. His conspicuous wealth attracted people so they could live the life vicariously, have fantasy dreams about what it is to live high on the hog (with a sample at the Feast of Tabernacles -- especially if it were at Headquarters) and live in the luxurious imaginings of how much better they could have it in the World Tomorrow.

Listen, you dimwits that run these Armstrongist Cults, driving your Chevy (even after the diabetes and loss of eyesight?) and your dumpy run down Toyota, with suits you got off the rack at the Dollar Store just don't cut it. You don't have bragging rights! You aren't impressive. Herbert Armstrong was right: There weren't men of quality.

If you're going to be a CEO of the Fantabulous Most Important Greatest Work this world has ever seen, you need to ooze Billionairedom. None of this crappy cost cutting conundrum stuff. You need to get with the program: Spend obviously and lavishly. Get the highest quality your membership can't afford. Make them feel guilty that you can't wallow in vast Olympic Style swimming pools filled with $100 bills.

Spend, spend, spend!

And the money will come rolling in, because many are the friends of the rich!

You stupid jerks are using absolutely the wrong approach. Humble is not what your people want! They want arrogance! They want narcissism! They are sick people who are looking to live a fantasy through you!

What a disappointment you all are.

It's no wonder your tiny and tinny little plastic "work" is doomed to obscure entropy.

DennisCDiehl said...

I wish UCG would invite me to their ministerial meeting to have a private chat with the remaining ministry about some concepts I might like to share with them....alas...

I'd promise to be civil and expect the same...Perhaps something on "How Your Eyes Create Your Blindspots."

Anonymous said...

If your job entails you going to a conference to understand Facebook, you probably don't have a real job.

Byker Bob said...

I think it's pretty much customary for Christian organizations to request prayer for activities which they deem especially important. So, that part isn't terribly unusual.

However, perhaps Robin is trying to telescope a message to the council of elders, or other speakers, in the hopes that they'll defer to some semblance of unity. I don't know. It seems obvious that people within the ACOGs will splinter off over virtually anything, and that would raise issues as to whether the Holy Spirit were actually present in those groups, or as to whether the leaders understood Him, or listened to Him.

Personally, I think I'd be inclined to recommend that ACOG members fast and pray about whether God wants them to seek out where He is really doing His work, and to go with one of the organizations that is. Of course, that probably won't be an ACOG, but if they're open minded, then that shouldn't be a problem.


Anonymous said...

what church do you attend BB

Anonymous said...

Robin Webber, the latest man in charge of the man-made United Association, is quoted as writing: "...If you can set aside time to fast this coming week, before the upcoming meetings, that would truly be meaningful..."

Fast again! What good has any of the previous fasts done? And "meaningful" to whom? Certainly not to God for, regarding fasting, He inspired it to be written:

"Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high." Isaiah 58:4

Strife continues. Debate continues. Smiting others?

Regardless, God, it appears, it not interested in people who just want to: "...make your voice to be heard on high...!"

So, for Robin: why fast? Where is the "fruit" of it working doing anything for the United Ass. in the past?

Again, I am reminded of the memo that Victor Kubik read to all of the attendees on the last day of the Indianapolis Conference in 1995:


CAN IT EVER BE? That cohesive, Christ-led entity that we all want so dearly? Or does Indy seal our fate to factions and factions? The hopes are high, the stakes are critical. Indy will be either a dawning of a New World Tomorrow, or the proof of our folly.

PIE IN THE SKY is what the detractors say. Some of them are us, you know. Our “leaders” have already laid foundations and are even laying superstructure. The meek words of just a few weeks ago… “We’ve just started this in case it’s of any help, but we’ll gladly dissolve it” are seemingly replaced with corporate structure lauding the wisdom of “follow me.” Has “unity” already slipped to a cliché, a buzzword of egotists? I’ve seen that once people invest time, money and gain supporters they “have God’s blessing.” After all, they prayed about it.

Dissolution of their structure for a greater cause becomes too great a defeat. The show must go on.

WHAT IS INDY? It’s a chance for a ground up, New Testament organized body of believers.

WHAT WILL INDY BE? I know what you and I want it to be. But do you know what many see it as? Separate leaders of several pre-formed groups pushing their system at each other, followed by the winner selling it to the ministry. The ministry is invited to view the outcome and cast in their lot, depending on who "wins" and if they like the smell of it.

WHO LOOSES IF INDY FALTERS? The churches back home. The little flocks who are staking their faith in Indy. The loyal pastors who have forfeited everything to wait on Christ and to come learn his will for their next step. I hope He’s there. He resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

Just some concerns and fears…I don’t know what it WILL be, I know what it MIGHT be and what it CAN be. I’ll be there in support. Be careful who gets control. Make sure it’s God.

So far, the fruit indicates that God has not been in charge. Men have been in charge.......and the latest man in charge appears to be Robin Webber.

Is anyone really being "CAREFUL?"


Anonymous said...

Perhaps UCG could invite me to give a talk on the eye that sees can't see itself? Prolly not....


Head Usher said...

For Armstrongites every problem in life has a supernatural cause, and a supernatural solution: prayer, fasting and bible study. If these "tools" don't work, what then? Keep doing all the same things you're doing now, and never allow yourself to doubt or lose faith in the supernatural that you will eventually receive different results.

Douglas Becker said...

Maybe they can go to the mountaintop and whip themselves until they bleed. They can cry out. Maybe do a little dance with raised arms.

Maybe their god is vacationing at a 5 star resort and left His cell phone off. Maybe He's having a Heavenly Corporate Board Room Meeting and can't be disturbed. Maybe UCG ministers haven't sacrificed enough. Maybe they can build altars and burn heave offerings.

Or maybe God and Jesus are busy with their own true church and can't be bothered.

Anonymous said...

"UCG Members Told To Fast That Earthy, Sensual, Demonic Influences Stay Away From Upcoming Conference"

If the members' prayers were answered and the entire Council of Evil stayed away, what would be the point of having the conference?

Painful Truth said...

"As you bow your heads before our Heavenly Father, we will surrender our hearts, roll up our sleeves, and get on with the work."

What work? That info-commercial crap they call the "broadcast?" They want people to join a group who they claim as founder, one HWA, who is a dead child molester?

So their god uses pedophiles to preach the gospel. What sick bullshit!

Douglas Becker said...

PT: And not only that but a liar and false prophet.

I haven't found any Scriptures in the New Testament yet to verify that God uses incestuous pedophiles, liars and false prophets to teach Converts the Truth of Jesus Christ, but I'll keep looking....

Anonymous said...

I Corinthians 7:29

"What I mean, brothers, is that the time is SHORT. FROM NOW ON those who have wives should live AS IF THEY HAD NONE;"

That's a pretty darn false prophecy for the ears of those who heard it...

Byker Bob said...

I usually don't respond to questions from anonymous posters, but for the person who asked what church I attend, you can learn more at, or look up the Wikipedia article on Christ's Church of the Valley.

And, yes, I'm still a skeptic, and yes, I carefully manage the impact they have as a group on my life.


Anonymous said...

"if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth [for this] is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there"

Wow! Incredible how applicable the scriptural verse he cited is to the ACOGs themselves seeing how divisive and schismatic they've all become. I guess their actions speak louder than their words!!

Reflecting on the fruits of HWA's WCG and its offshoots it kind of makes me think of Saul and when he tore Samuel's robe and Samuel told him that God would tear the kingdom away from his rule (1 Sam 15:26-28). It's like God left these organizations to fight and splinter among themselves seeing they rejected Him and His Son for idolatrous, womanizing, immoral men. I guess you truly do become the thing you worship.

Anonymous said...

One top-of-the-line item on their agenda needs to be a new official Council picture.

The old one still posted at has Melvin Rhodes in it.

We may never know in this life what sort of "earthly, sensual, demonic influence" he had to confess.