Saturday, September 7, 2013

David C. Pack: If the Apostles Could Be 2,000 Years Off on the Expected Return of Christ, Then You Should Not Be Upset With Me for A Wrong Date

David C. Pack now has placed himself in league with all the Apostles and Jesus' own bothers.  They were all wrong on their dates so he can be too.

The big difference between the Apostles and Davey is that Davey gave a specific date.  All the Apostles were looking at a future date, knowing full well that it was at least sometime in the future with the hope it would be in their lifetime.  Davey said it was happening specifically by August 31, 2013.  Davey was not about some future date, but a specific date that was immediate.

Think of the original apostles. They watched and waited year after year after year for Christ’s Return, absolutely believing this would happen in their lifetimes (I Cor. 15:51; I Thes. 4:15). Yet they were off by almost 2,000 years—a full THIRD of the entire length of God’s Plan! However rare, some few may think about this. Here’s what virtually no one reflects on. There was much more that they were waiting on and believed they would live to see—all of the OTHER events preceding Christ’s Return: the falling away, the Four Horsemen of Revelation, the arrival of the Beast, the False Prophet, the abomination of desolation, Jerusalem surrounded by armies, being taken to safety, as well as the Tribulation, Heavenly Signs and Day of the Lord. For decades, the apostles’ senses told them that all of these things lay just over the horizon—that they would live to see ALL of them fulfilled. Think. ALL of the apostles—every one of them!—got ALL MATTERS wrong in regard to timing—EVERYTHING!—and for almost an entire LIFETIME—again, including being off by 2,000 YEARS. Two were Christ’s own brothers, James and Jude. Two more, Peter and Paul, were leading apostles. It is no wonder that Mr. Armstrong himself was wrong for a time regarding Christ’s

Return—and thus also was necessarily incorrect about the timing of everything prophetic that preceded it. But only his enemies crucified him. Mr. Armstrong lived to see virtually none—NONE!—of the things that he expected to see. I wonder how many brethren—first century or twentieth century—gave up on big prophecies because the apostles—first century or twentieth century—had their timing wrong. These men did not have the prophecies themselves wrong, but merely only the TIMING. Get the difference. 
In Davey speak this translates into: "If they can get a date wrong, so can't I; so live with it!"


Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly, the WCG believed in 6000 years of mans' rule followed by the millennium. Usher's 4004 BC date was often used as the starting point. Add 4004 BC and 2013 AD and it is over 6000 years. Another mistaken belief of the WCG and it's offspring. Mr. Pack is not inspired by God. He is a charlatan, imposter, fraud, Gospel huckster. All he wants is your $$$.

Anonymous said...

"Usher's 4004 BC date was often used as the starting point."

Usher's numbers might not be exactly correct. In more recent years, Roderick C. Meredith said that there could be up to 35 years of "play" in Usher's numbers.

Byker Bob said...

Hillel II and other Jewish sources date Creation at 3761 BC.

It is astonishingly inconsistent that WCG did not rely on that date, considering their belief that unto the Jews were given the oracles to preserve. It's also a shame. Instead of living our lives believing the tribulation and new holocaust would hit in 1972, and then, to preserve the edge, having it regularly postponed every 3-5 years, we would have "known" that absolute 6,000 doesn't hit until around 2239.

These guys are really rank amateurs!


Head Usher said...

Back in the days when I was a new driver and too young to know better, I was pulled over by highway patrol for going over the speed limit. I foolishly argued that I wasn't going any faster than anyone else around me, why did he have to pull me over and no one else? You only say that to a cop once in your life. After the first time, you realize what a mistake that is. If he had been thinking to let you off with a warning, saying something like that will extinguish all such thoughts. The ticket will now be issued, no question. *SMASH* And I think you have a faulty taillight too. This is what Dave is not thinking about. This is what Dave is not reflecting on.

So, this is Dave's exact argument: "Other people are allowed to get away with it, therefore YOU should let ME get away with it too. Whether a person is guilty of a moving violation is not dependent upon how many other people around them were also guilty of moving violations, yet did not get pulled over. Whether a person utters a false prophecy or not is not determined through a comparative process against the failures of other apostles/prophets/poobahs. Did the prophecy come true or not? No? Well then, license, registration, and proof of insurance, please.

In 1 Kings 18, Elijah has a face off against the prophets of Baal, so the story goes. In verse 29, it says, "And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded." But you see, Elijah was impatient, and he "gave up" on this "big prophecy." He just didn't give the prophets of Baal enough time to allow for their timing to be off, which is certainly an understandable error on the part of the prophets of Baal, is it not? Gods are not exactly known for doing things according to the timing that we ask for, now are they? There was absolutely no need for Elijah to start crucifying people, merely on account of being wrong about their timing!

According to Dave's logic, so what? Their timing was off, that's all. Why did Elijah "give up" on this "big prophecy" because the timing was wrong? Just keep waiting around, and eventually Baal will show up to justify all the dancing, leaping, and cutting. Just because Baal didn't respond exactly when you would like cannot be cited as evidence that these prophets of Baal represented nothing and no one! If you just keep waiting, for two, or three, or four thousand years you'll see that the prophets of Baal and Apostle Dave will both be proven right eventually. It's just a matter of timing! Get the difference?

Heck, even Herbert himself was wrong about timing in 1975! So that settles the matter, because Herbert is even more important than Jesus!

So, is Dave an apostle of Yahweh, or an apostle of Baal? Does it even matter?

Do you know why I pulled you over, Dave? It doesn't matter whether you say yes or no, btw. License, registration, and proof of insurance, please.