Monday, July 21, 2014

Brian Orchard: COG's Need To Stop Talking About Jesus So Much!

Who would have ever imagined any Church of God would spend too much time talking about Jesus Christ since none of them have ever made any attempt to do that in the last 80 some years.  Its all about the law and commandment keeping instead of anything about Jesus Christ.

Nevertheless, Brian Orchard is NOT happy that Jesus Christ is talked about.  He feels that the entire focus should be on the "Father."

Mr. Orchard said something that surprised me. He said that in the past the Church of God has focused too much on Christ and not enough on the Father, and that COGFC is trying to put the focus on the Father. It surprised me because I do not think that Mr. Armstrong taught the Church too much emphasis on Christ, rather, when he was alive I thought we were properly focused on the Father. Perhaps Mr. Orchard was speaking of only the past 16 or so years since COGaic formed under Mr. David Hulme. I have not attended that organization enough to know if they were negligent in focusing on the Father. But Mr. Armstrong was not negligent. He focused on the Father, and so did the Church of God when he was alive. I think many or most converted members of the Church of God today in various fellowships put primary focus on the Father, addressing our prayers to the Father for example. Avoiding a Spirit of Hostile Competition / Church of God, a Family Community at Six Months

This quote was taken from a blog posting about a recent sermon that Brain Orchard gave about competition in the Churches of God.  If that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is!

This is coming from a man who sat in the 360 apartments along with Victor Kubik, Robin Webber and others as they plotted and schemed to cause division in the church by forming a new splinter group.  Then Orchard plotted again and again over the years as he jumped from one group to the next claiming it was superior to all the previous ones.

Now he feels he needs to lecture the rest of the church about that?


Black Ops Mikey said...

What was the Apostle Paul nattering about in I Corinthians 2:2?

How about Psalm 2:12?

Wasn't Jesus the God of the Old Testament, whose laws the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia obsess over?

A member of the bride of Christ not wanting to know he will be with for all eternity?

The Father? Christ?

Armstrongism is so confused with its Olde Testament Pharisee Christianity.

Byker Bob said...

Clueless. There is no other word!


Black Ops Mikey said...

Byker Bob, the words "moron" and "delusional" also spring to mind.

We should not limit ourselves to one word when there is a whole dictionary and DSM full of terms we could use to describe them.

From his website, Jesus says:

I am deeply disappointed and insulted that these people don't want to get to know me.

Anonymous said...

UCG quit preaching Jesus about eight years ago.

We were getting a diet of sermons about self improvement, personal finance and national finance.

The Sabbath was and idiots version of current events. This UCG minister now has four churches to minister to.

Glad he is gone, but was replaced by an equally clueless rural type that thinks he hit the big time when he arrived at our congregation about four or five years ago.

The whole organization is a sham.

Anonymous said...


What would Jesus Twitter? Well, today Jesus twittered this haiku:

Jesus focus was
Father focus I thought, but
What Jesus focus?

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
:7 If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.
:8 Philip said to Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.
:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
:11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

Black Ops Mikey said...

Uh... nice try, but John 14:28.

There was only One God in the Old Testament.

How does that work?

Anonymous said...

Black Ops Mikey,

I have no idea what Anon 7:01 pm might respond, but you said: "...There was only One God in the Old Testament..." and the following verse certainly agrees with that:

"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go." Acts 3:13