Monday, April 4, 2016

Deceitful COG Leader Dares To Lecture Members On Being Deceived

Only in a Church of God will you find a self-appointed deceitful leader dare to claim church members can be deceived.  Of course they are being deceived by everyone but himself.

This comes from a man who is so deceived that he takes a simple prayer of blessing by Gaylyn Bonjour as an apostolic ordination prayer that sets him apart as the ONLY true church leader on the face of the earth today. Where would the church be without Prophet/Apostle Bob Amos Thiel in its midst?????

Prophet Amos Thiel has this to say about deception in the church which he ironically titles: Self Deception Can Be Quit Costly

Jesus taught that Satan was a liar and the father of lies:
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it (John 8:44)
Of course, Satan takes advantage of deception and encourages humans to deceive themselves. Recall what happened to Eve:
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (1 Timothy 2:14)
6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. (Genesis 3:6-7)
But what about Christians? Can Christians fall victim to self-deception?

Jesus warned that most Christians in the end times would be deceived:
14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’ — and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked — 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. (Revelation 3:14-19)

Although most Laodiceans do not believe that they are deceiving themselves, Jesus said that they were. Jesus said that Laodicean Christians needed to repent–they need to change. 
In addition to doctrine and how they lead their lives, there are serious prophetic deceptions that the Laodiceans have fallen for. A list of 30 prophetic deceptions that various Laodiceans believe is in the article The Laodicean Church Era. Believing several of these will insure that Laodiceans will not realize that the Great Tribulation is here until it is to late for most to flee (cf. Revelation 12:14-17). 
Self-deception is common. Try not to fall for it. The word of God is truth (John 17:17), hopefully you will believe it enough so that you will resist Satanically-encouraged self-deception (cf. James 4:7).
In addition to the church era malarkey, Amos Thiel is the king of lies and deception in the church right now.  At least Flurry and Pack just put themselves in their positions, not through someone  blessing them with a prayer that was NEVER meant what Amos Thiel claims.

Bob Thiel has a long string of deceiving utterances since his self-appointment as God's most highly favored.

He tacks on his title the name of "Dr."  Most never bother to check that he got his "Dr." title from an pseudo-university in India.  He also trots forward that he took classes at Fuller Seminary and other places as to give the impression he graduated from these institutions.

Church of God Perspective calls him out on that, as has Gavin Rumney and many others.

Take his “doctor” title. Doctor of what? If I came to you and said I was a doctor and gave medical advice, wouldn’t you assume by my actions I was a doctor of medicine? Likewise, if I went around putting “Dr” on my books, and the books were on religion, would you not assume my doctorate was in theology? And, if those things turned out not to be true, wouldn’t you believe I was a fraud? And, rightly so! [Update: Thiel now claims to have a ThD; see “Doctor” Thiel Responds
Buried deep within his website is the admission that “I have studied graduate level Early Church History from Fuller Theological Seminary and other schools in and out of the USA, and after a lot of writing, was granted a foreign Th.D. in early Christianity. A doctor of philosophy (Ph.D.) degree was earned from the Union Institute and University (1993) where I studied various biological sciences and research methodologies.”Bob Thiel is still a liar and false prophet 

Church of God Perspective has also taken lying Bob "Amos" Thiel to task over his deceitfulness:

Bob Thiel has yet to deliver a real message to anyone, except supposedly about himself. Obviously, this is a narcissistic view of how God speaks to His people. Bob Thiel has yet to speak a message, declare it a message from God and then have it come to pass! 
Here are the “Four Tests” COGWA wrote about with my rebuttal to COGWriter Bob Thiel’s self-aggrandizing article: 
1. Does the conduct of the prophet reflect godly character? 
Absolutely not! COGWriter Bob Thiel’s arrogance in rebelling against his former organization (after praising them so long in public, BTW) is reminiscent of Satan’s rebellion against God. His finger-pointing and judgmentalism towards others proves he is the quintessential Laodicean (the people judge — others, that is). 
2. Do the predictions of the prophet come true? 
What predictions? All Thiel does is rehash a mix of biblical prophecies intermingled with pagan prophecies to create an abomination of predictions. Yet, where is the “thus saith the Lord…”? To be a prophet, you have to prophesy, and he has yet to do so. 
3. Are the words of the prophet consistent with Scripture? 
No. His organization, as well as his parent group LCG, add all sorts of traditions of men to their beliefs, including but not exhaustively forms of government (idolatry of men), criticisms of observing the anniversary of one’s birth, laxity on the sanctity of marriage, church eras, and more. 
Worse, he includes many pagan and un-Christian prophecies as part of his message. A true prophet of God would not need to do this to the extent he engages in it. 
Essentially, his emphasis upon being a “Philadelphian remnant”, a self-contradiction that a school child can see, means he is preaching a different message, a different gospel, than the NT does. 
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit [such as an attitude of judgmentalism], which ye have not received, or another gospel [such as the message of being “Philadelphian” rather than a message of what Christ will do when He returns], which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

2Co 11:4,12-15
4. Do the people benefit spiritually from the prophet’s ministry? 
No. The only benefit is Bob Thiel’s enrichment and supposed elevation of status. The people he leads will be lead into the wilderness of false teaching and idolatry that characterizes so many that Satan has grabbed ahold of before they could see the truth (Cf. Lk 8:5, 11-12). 
Simply put, too many church organizations take on titles of prophet, apostle and even sillier terms jerked out of context from the Bible in order to entice you and I and anyone else who will listen to follow them rather than God.
Bob Amos has sadly fallen for the exact same self deception that infects Gerald Flurry, Rod Meredith,  Dave Pack, Vic Kubik and all the other mini-wanna-be's that have set themselves up as power leaders.  Every single one of them lie to the brethren, preach false heresy and utter idiotic prophecies and warnings.  Not a single one of them even attempts to be a servant that stoops down to wash the feet of their members.  None of them have any humility.  Arrogance and self-aggrandizement is the order for the day.


Connie Schmidt said...

Dr. Thiel is as real of a "doctor" as Dr. Seuss!

Anonymous said...

Dr. Suess has been more beneficial to humanity than Boob Thiel will ever be.

Anonymous said...

First Bob went and found a diploma mill to give him a fake title. Now he's racing to catch up with Dave Pack, current king of fake, narcissistic titles. The differences between Bob and Dave are certainly narrowing. Will Bob ultimately be able to wrest the crown away from Dave? Will this competition cause Dave to step up his delusions yet again to attain new heights of ridiculousness? Regardless of where you place your bets, it's guaranteed to be entertaining to watch, but only from the sidelines.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Suess has been more beneficial to humanity than Boob Thiel will ever be.

Our Aimless Amos has outdone Dr. Seuss. Seuss only wrote How the Grinch Stole Christmas, but Amos Thiel actually steals Christmas from his tithe-slaves.

Gavin R said...

With all due respect Connie, that's an insult to Dr. Seuss.

Bob does have a PhD which is apparently legitimate. The ThD though seems entirely bogus.

As for Dr. Seuss, he brought joy to millions through his books, and embedded some really worthwhile messages in his writing. As for Dr. Bob... um... well...

Byker Bob said...

Here is the bottom line. If Gaylen Bonjour had even remotely thought that annointing Bob Thiel had made Bob special before God in any way, wouldn't it have made the greatest of spiritual sense for M. Bonjour to have immediately forsaken the LCG to follow Bob Thiel? It is astonishing that the implications of this have not dawned on "Dr." Thiel. How can he possibly see his prophethood as being other than a totally imaginary situation?


Anonymous said...

There's a post up on Hemant Mehta's blog, Friendly Atheist entitled "There’s Finally Someone with Less Credibility Than a Self-Proclaimed Psychic". Who that might be is someone named Adrian Lee who's a self-proclaimed christian psychic. One of the comments asks, "Aren't christian psychics just called 'prophets?'" which got me to thinking, what's the difference between a "prophet" like Bob, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, and other COG kooks claim to be, and psychics? And these guys are all professing christians as well. So what's the difference between our COG clown car of kooks and Adrian Lee?

Anonymous said...

The reason these churches criticize birthday celebrations, is that they are anti self esteem. If you want to lord it over the sheep, you do not want them to have mental health. This is why Satan was a murderer from the beginning. He found he could have greater power and superiority over other angels, by tearing them down. The ministers are walking in Satans footsteps.

Anonymous said...

Many people are well programed to feel like a pile of crap. They feel like they have to go to church, tithe or whatever to lessen that guilt.

DennisCDiehl said...

I always enjoyed HWA's comment that "When a person is deceived, they don't know they are deceived." does one ever know if what they believe is correct if they are deceived but can't or don't know it? And if they can't or don't know they are deceived, then are they at fault for something? Maybe that's it. Maybe HWA was thinking "If I am deceived, I don't know I'm deceived so am not really at fault if it all goes South." Then I have heard that the solution is that one needs to have the Faith that they are not deceived. Hmmmm.... Then evidently if you are afraid you deceived, you think about all the scriptures on Faith and think about all the great heroes of Faith and then you can know you aren't deceived I suppose. But what if they were deceived and didn't know it????

I guess if I had Faith it would all make perfect sense

Anonymous said...

3.24 AM talking of 'feeling like a pile of crap,' reminds me of the old Soviet empire. When half of Europe was under communist control, the observation was that you could tell whom were the top government personal and secret police. They were the only ones with their heads held high. Everyone else walked around with their heads bowed down from being beaten down. It's often like that in the churches. The ministers and their wives radiate self esteem, but never the members.

Black Ops Mikey said...

Yes, self-deception can be costly, but... isn't it possible to have self-deception on a budget?

After all, wasn't Thiel's ThD basically free?

Anonymous said...

Armstrongists believe that they already have the truth, so why search for it, right? They are like confirmation-biased zombies. And for those that point out the errors, irony, and deceptions, they will say that are being attacked by satan and his demon-possed minions.
Sheeple: "Our salvation has been attacked. Defend and protect the TROOTH at all costs and call for reinforcements if in doubt, just eat more propaganda".


k-baradanikto said...

Wow. I never realized how much Herbert Armstrong --- the younger Herbert Armstrong --- sounded like Rush Limbaugh. The resemblance is striking.

Anonymous said...

There they are pictured together- Spanky and Wankie. Notice that Spanky is much larger than Wankie...


Anonymous said...

I'm sure that if you asked Bob Thiel about his bogus ThD, he'd be glad to tell you all about it.....


Anonymous said...

I never realized that Bob Thiel was a dwarf!!! In this picture, Rod Meredith himself (who is already very short) is still taller than Bob...

Retired Prof said...

Now that I've read on the internet that Meredith is short, I know it must be true. All those times I saw him preach and all those months I sat in the church history class he taught, my lying eyes told me he was tall.

You see, I have adopted the means of discovering truth followed by people who organize their lives according to faith: the WORD always trumps evidence.