Thursday, March 19, 2020

Wes White on the Relationship of Banned to the Churches of God




Proverbs 22:3 says: A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions.  The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

Because of this Scripture, I gotta tell you that I’m not afraid to read things that are written by people who believe really differently than we do in the Sabbath-keeping churches of God.   Reading things that don’t match up with our religious dogma doesn’t scare me. 

Even when I was a student at Ambassador College in the 1970s, I used to read this magazine called Ambassador Watch.   It was published by dissident students who had left AC because they were…  Well, they were dissidents.  So they left.

It’s now 40 years later and I don’t regret reading those issues.  Sure, they wrote a lot of doctrinal stuff that I didn’t agree with back then… and I still don’t agree with it today.  But they had their facts right regarding things that were going on at the college.  When you look back at all those old issues, you see that they were telling the truth about what was going on at AC. 

Today, there’s a blog site out there called Banned.  It’s run by former members of the Sabbath-keeping churches of God.  Now, do I agree with their new doctrinal positions? No.  I disagree with a lot of their stuff. 

But they do report on things going on in the Sabbath-keeping COGs – things that it doesn’t hurt for us to know about.   Let me elaborate. 

Weeks ago, I saw that Nancy was going to have to cancel the Women’s Conference.  At first, Nancy resisted me on this.  She didn’t want to cancel.  But finally, I put my foot down and said, “Sweetheart, you’re going to have to postpone this thing to later – after this coronavirus passes.”  She did.

And we were ahead of the curve on this.  No, I’m not a prophet.  I was only following Proverbs 22:3.

Then, after Nancy canceled, most of the Sabbath-keeping churches of God started doing either mandatory canceling or voluntary canceling of their Sabbath services.  

But not all of them did this. 

Months ago – long before this coronavirus pandemic -- the Living Church of God scheduled their ministerial conference where 300 of their ministers and their wives were going to have a big meeting covering several days in Charlotte NC.

Now, what do you think the average age is of the ministers in Living?  It’s high.  Like 60 or 70.   Guys who are really going to be in danger if they get exposed to the coronavirus. 

Well, the blog site called Banned kept asking questions about this conference in their postings.  They said, “When is Living going to cancel this thing?  If they don’t, some of their old ministers are going to catch this thing and die.”

And I mean, Banned kept up the drumbeat day after day.  They were like a dog on a bone because they were alarmed by the lack of foresight on the part of Living’s leaders.

Then, the members of Living started taking note of what was being posted on Banned.  And these members of Living would write Comments on Banned.  The members were saying that they were having to find out what was going on in Living… by reading the Banned blog site.  Because they weren’t getting any information from their own church. 

Then, these members started putting pressure on Living to cancel this conference.   Like the writers on Banned, the members didn’t want any of these old guys in the ministry to die.  

The good news is that Living finally – after a lot of pressure – canceled their ministerial conference. 

Because of all this, I believe the following.  And I know a lot of people are going to disagree with me.  But I really believe -- that we owe a debt of gratitude to Banned for exposing LCGs refusal to cancel their ministerial conference.  

I believe that Banned has probably saved the lives of a lot of Living’s ministers -- by causing this groundswell to cancel the conference.

I believe that – while Banned does not agree with the way the leaders of Living are operating that church organization – the people at Banned certainly don’t want to see a bunch of old guys die because of incompetent management at the top of their church organization. 

You may not like hearing me say nice things about Banned.  I’m sure the ministers in your church do everything that can to keep you from reading Banned.      After all, Banned operates in the spirit of the old Ambassador Report.  Banned also operates in the spirit of the now-defunct Journal, but to a much higher degree of effectiveness than the Journal.

I say this because – if you want to know what’s going on in the COGs today – the number one place to go is Banned.  Again, I don’t let my doctrinal disagreements with Banned bother me because Banned is a really good source for information regarding the state of the COGs. 

Banned is exposing the mismanagement, the sins, and the hypocrisies of the Sabbath-keeping COG leadership. 

And I’m telling you:  As Christians -- if we are going to really conduct our lives under the pinciple mentioned in Proverbs 22:3 -- we must look to other sources for information.  I’m sorry to tell you that you cannot rely only on your church organization to tell you what’s going on within your group.  Your church is NOT going to tell you everything that’s happening.  And I’m telling you that this rule applies to every COG group out there. 

This principle of looking to other sources also applies to politics.  Most of the people I know only watch or listen to political programs that agree with their political position.  And this is stupid.  This action is willful ignorance.   If you really want to think of yourself as being an educated person, you must listen to sources with whom you disagree!  Otherwise, you’re just wasting your time yelling into an echo chamber. 

Contact Wes White here


Note from Banned blog author

The entire purpose of this blog has always been to expose the blatant hypocrisy of the Church of God leaders who think they are above reproach and cannot be held accountable for their actions. Those days are long gone with the rise of the internet. Blogs, newsgroups, chain letters, and other devices of communication are what helped break up the old Worldwide Church of God when they were speaking out of both sides of their mouth while making major doctrinal changes and simultaneously denying they were.


After the church imploded and various former ministers of the church set themselves up as new potentates of their new money-making empires, they all had the chance to reinvent the church into something meaningful that truly pointed toward the God they all claim to follow. As we have sadly seen over the last 30 some years, that has never been the case. These men reverted back to the old ways of leadership and never made any attempt to undo the abuses of the past while moving forward with conviction and faith in a unified goal. Money and keeping their lifestyle intact was the primary goal of every one of these groups. Now have well over 400 different splinter groups all claiming they are the "one true way" and that "God speaks exclusively through them and their group." Sadly, every single reader here knows this is not true. Even those in LCG, UCG and other groups that regularly read here know that this is not true of their own groups. That is why so many come here to find out what is going on in their group.

The Church of God is filled with many sincere and dedicated Christians who truly are trying to make a difference in their lives and the world around them. I have never had any problem with that. It is the church leaders, the self-appointed lying hypocrites that continue to abuse and destroy members' lives, these are the ones I find offense at.

Now that the world and the Churches of God are dealing with a major crisis it has been appaling to watch the reaction of some of these church leaders. Instead of following wise decisions of Health Department offices, City and National leaders, these know-it-alls do not have the wherewithal to make a real decision and cancel services, cancel Passover, Bible Studies, and other church events coming up over the coming months. Every single one of these men looks at the closing of services as a means of cutting off income. That is their top priority and nothing more. It is certainly has NOTHING to do with the safety and welfare of their members. All of their pontificating and the "we love you brethren" comments are empty and heartless.

I never had an idea this blog would go on as long as it has or touch so many people. We are close to 7.5 million hits and they keep coming to see what is happening in the church. The sad thing is that there should be NO NEED for this blog if the church leaders were actually men of faith and actually followed Jesus. Imagine what a grand thing that would be! Who will step up to the plate and do that? Bob Thiel? Dave Pack? Gerald Weston? James Malm? Mark Armstrong? Gerald Flurry? Jim Franks? Ron Weinland? Who?  How long do we have to wait?

















21 comments:

Tonto said...

Well, that's it.... Im joining the W W C G! ...


THE WES WHITE CHURCH of GOD !

Anonymous said...

No Tonto! BAD Tonto! You got it wrong wagon burner!

Join the new and improved WWCG. We are open for business!

Stoned Stephen Society said...

Sadly, it appears no change will be possible until all the AC alumni are dead. By then, it may be too late as more gen-x, millenials and their children are finding the voices of reason at Banned. How long will we wait around for reform?

TLA said...

Even the Donald has come to see this is a full blown crisis.
But don't worry - according to prophecy, 90% of the world will die, and then, somehow all these disagreeing groups will rule together with a rod of iron. At least the lions and snakes will be friendly.
How far apart will God need to keep Flurry and Pack and Meredith from each other?
Will Jerry fight Rod for control of the LCG ruling district.

Anonymous said...

The ACOGs are run like a police state. Only the official party line from the 'ministry of truth' is given. Those who question the government are sent to the equivalent of a gulag by being separated from their families via disfellowship, or are at the very least are slandered. Wes White is right about going to other sources.
Interesting how the Soviet commies called their official newspaper Pravda, which in Russian means truth. Herb decided to follow with his 'Plain Truth' magazine.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Unfortunately, the current leadership of the Armstrong Churches of God have followed the example of the founder of the movement (Herbert W Armstrong) in most respects, and we all know how that ended! It has been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. The lay membership of the ACOG movement has always been better than the cadre of Ambassador graduates who were designated to keep them in line - They have always deserved better.

The servant leadership model that Jesus spoke about with his original apostles has certainly not been followed by many of the men who have claimed to be their successors - and this is especially true of the ACOG movement. Instead of caring and nurturing shepherds, many of these folks have looked more like the ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing! Good shepherds don't milk every last ounce of sustenance they can get from their sheep or cast them out of the fold to be gobbled up by the roaring lion. Good shepherds take care of the weak and injured and nurse them back to health. Good shepherds lead their flocks to greener pastures and don't force them to gnaw at the brown and withered roots of fields that have been too long over grazed. The analogies could go on and on - why do you think Jesus chose this one?

Gary, Gavin, Dixon and many many others have done the good work of exposing these false shepherds. It is a necessary and a worthwhile work, and it will go on as long as their are folks out there in Church of God-land who milk and oppress their membership or peddle their bizarre prophecies and conspiracy theories to folks who just want to please God. It is no wonder they tell their members to stay away from sites like Banned, The Painful Truth and Living Armstrongism. Just like the Wizard, they're afraid of the little terrier pulling back the curtain and exposing their shenanigans to the supplicants who came to them for help and guidance.

Anonymous said...

"The sad thing is that there should be NO NEED for this blog if the church leaders were actually men of faith and actually followed Jesus."



The truly sad thing is that the "church" has never had true biblical "leaders". The bible does not teach a hierarchy, nor does it teach a one man "Pastorate" in every congregation. The bible teaches a group of older Christians in a local assembly working to maintain the peace. That's it!

One Christian, or even one group of Christians are not "over" another Christian. That is not, and has never been biblical. Mature Christians understand this.

God's "Work" is an individual work, an individual working with the gifts that God has given him/her. It is not and has never been an organizational work. God, using his Holy Spirit, is perfectly able to organize those whom he is working with, he has no need of human intervention, meaning no need for a human organization!

It's time all Christians everywhere grow up and trust God to work in us individually.

We are not the Borg! Resistance (to wanna be rulers) is not futile!


km

Anonymous said...

"How long will we wait around for reform?

March 19, 2020 at 6:15 PM"


Reform of what? Reform the old WCG into a new and "better" WCG? All we need to reform is our own concept of what the church really is, and allow others the freedom to do the same.

Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!

cog? cog? We don't need no stinkin' cog! (Meaning an organization built be men)

km

Anonymous said...

"servant leadership" what bullshit!

As long as one thinks that God needs just one human "leader", even if he/she is a humble servant, then one will never get it.

If God ever does (which I truly doubt will ever occur) choose a human leader we won't have any doubt. They will preach the real Jesus (yeah, yeah, I know, whose version of the real Jesus?) and perform great works to reveal God's backing.

Leaders? Leaders? We don't need no stinkin' leaders!

Been an acog rebel for well over 30 years and will remain one til the day I die.

km

Anonymous said...

Many thanks Wes White for your post. Yes, believers do turn up here to find out what is going on. I'm one of them. Banned blog provides a honest and useful service to many believers. But the is also a danger, a danger of misuse, a danger of the very hypocrites who have ruined the church for believers turning their attention to this blog to rule and ruin this too.


As Ron Dart used to warn always check up on the so called experts.

Earl said...

KM,

So true. Of course, the COGs will say this is anarchy and that the Bible teaches an organization called literally "the Church of God", presumably the English version lest someone claim this is simply those called of God.

You talk about the Holy Spirit, but the COGs don't trust the Holy Spirit. They do not believe in a Holy Spirit that acts outside of their own human limitations. They believe they have tamed the Holy Spirit by identifying where it is acting and where it certainly cannot be acting.

They don't trust the Sacrifice of Christ and they don't trust the action of the Holy Spirit. How can they possibly trust individual Christians?

Anonymous said...

Earl, I agree, which is why I haven't been a member of a COG for nearing 30 years. Yet I still keep the lesser matters of the law, sabbath, feasts, clean and unclean. It's not my place to judge what others do or don't do!

km

Anonymous said...

Gifted translator William Tyndale translated over 80% of the old and new testament in the king James translation. The Catholics got hold of him, killed, and burnt him. His crime? He refused to use the word church in the new testament. King James ordered that the word be inserted into his translation. After all, how can he be the head of the church, if the word doesn't appear in the Bible.

By contrast, Christ said that His mother, bother, sister, are those who do God's will. No mention of a church here. I don't believe this rules out God raising up an organization for a specific mission. God is not to be limited. But it doesn't take away from what's the core of being a Christian, ie, following Christ.

Anonymous said...

I've had a suspicion that some of the COG groups occasionally send a spy/disruptor to Banned to spread ridiculously false information, hoping that it will discourage readers from taking seriously the 90% truth (wild estimate) that they actually find here.

Anonymous said...

That is an prime example of how paranoid you are Anon 11:00. Accusing others falsely of what you practice yourself.

Light always exposes the darkness. Deliberately or accidently. God moves in mysterious ways. You are up to your eyebrows in spies and spying and fail to realize others aren't. Never have been.

You thought your spies had everyone sussed. Those members are idiots. Cartoonize brethren.

Big mistake.

Anonymous said...

"Even the Donald has come to see this is a full blown crisis."


actually, he saw it early on, probably before most of the others....he stopped flights from China and was called xenophobe, racist, and any other name you can imagine.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Anonymous 3/20 @ 2:08,

Boy, Oh Boy, did you drink the koolaid!

You may want to check this out:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-coronavirus-timeline-dismissed-969381/

Anonymous said...

Agreed 11:00 A.M.

God didn't establish a "church". The English word church comes from a completely different root word and cannot be translated from ekklesia, which is the word found in the New Testament. The word church was purposely substituted to maintain the idea of a structured organization with a human ecclesiastical head. God established an assembly or community of believers. A spiritual body composed of individual saints, who are supposed to receive each other as brethren and work to come into the unity of Christ.

There may be members of Christ's assembly who individually attend one church or another, but the church itself is a human organization built by men. God keeps track of those who belong to Him, and His list isn't synonymous with any church roster.

Concerned Sister

Anonymous said...

"Blogger Miller Jones said...
Anonymous 3/20 @ 2:08,

Boy, Oh Boy, did you drink the koolaid!

You may want to check this out:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-coronavirus-timeline-dismissed-969381/

March 20, 2020 at 6:41 PM"




I can just picture a giant purple pitcher with a big smile on its face walking out of Lonnie's front door. Who has been drinking the Kool-Aid?

The article that he quotes has one date prior to the Jan. 30th China travel ban, Jan. 22nd, all the rest come after the ban. Yeah, the one that the left criticised him for implementing.

I bet Lonnie believes that in the debate that Trump was really asking Putin for Hilary's emails. The left are so blind that they don't recognize sarcasm, just as they don't recognize downplaying a possible emergency to reduce panic.

Now who really are the deplorables?

Amazing!!!

Anonymous said...

ummm, rolling stone IS the kool-aid...

Byker Bob said...

I cancelled my subscription to Rolling Stone when they took an anti-gun stance back in 1991. I wrote in my letter that if John Lennon had partied with Ted Nugent, he would probably be alive today. I know that Jann Wenner personally read my letter because he mentioned some of the details from it in a follow-up editorial he wrote justifying their new policy.

Honestly, that was not the last time that I actually read Rolling Stone, because they do have some great and incisive articles on music and political topics. I just felt as if I needed to launch a protest to them joining the gun grabbers. And, I do also read articles from the other side on the same topics Rolling Stone presents in an effort to obtain a balanced view.

BB