Sunday, January 24, 2021

Crackpot COG Prophet Predicting Late 2027 For Start Of Tribulation







The Great Bwana to Africa and 299 Caucasians (worldwide) is back today flouncing and bouncing in a new video trying to prove that by late 2027 the tribulation may begin and we kiss our asses goodbye. With his hands waving and his weak attempt to thrust his big thick Bible at us (thick Bibles always make prophets look more important), the present-day Elisha Bobiniah delivers his latest wild-eyed speculation about 2028 and beyond to 2031.

Between the flouncing and bouncing in his chair and the incessant hand waving, he delivers these cute little specualtions:

Is the USA prophesied to be destroyed by 2028? 

Are there prophetic reasons to believe that the USA will not last two complete presidential terms? Yes. There is a tradition attributed to the Hebrew prophet Elijah that humanity had 6,000 years to live before being replaced by God’s Kingdom. There are scriptures, writings in the Talmud, early Christian teachings that support this. Also, even certain Hindu writings support it.

Here is a summary of ten items to consider: 1. If as the School of Elijah taught, that God inspired Elijah to state that the world as we have known it would last 6,000 years, to be followed by a thousand year sabbatical time, which Jewish tradition (Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin [97a]) and early Christian traditions records (e.g. Irenaeus, a hearer of Polycarp. Adversus haereses, Book V, Chapter 30:4), then we are getting close to the end of that time.

2. And if, consistent with scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments, we can apply the concept that a thousand years is as a day to God (Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8).

3. And if, as generally understood in the Church of God that Jesus was killed and resurrected no later than the Spring of 31 A.D. on Passover.

4. And if we can presume that the “last days” of a 7,000 year prophetic week began AFTER the middle day (day 4), then the last days prior to the “sabbatical” time, which some would refer to as the millennial Kingdom of God would last two thousand years.

5. And if when Peter referred to being in the last days (Acts 2:17-18) and since Hebrews 1:1-12 teaches that “God … has in these last days spoken to us by His Son.”

6. Then adding 2,000 years to a period of time leads to the end of the 6,000 years no later than 2031 (and it could be earlier than that).

7. Since the Great Tribulation is expected to start 3 1/2 years prior to that (cf. Revelation 12:14; 13:5) subtracting 3 1/2 years from the Spring of 2031 would be late in 2027.

8. Understand that the U.S.A. is prophesied to be taken over near the rise of the Beast and start of the Great Tribulation (cf. Daniel 11:39; Jeremiah 30:7; Matthew 24:21-22).

9. Therefore, since the end of two full U.S.A. presidential terms would end in January of 2029, these prophetic understandings point to the end of the U.S.A. prior to two full presidential terms.

10. This is also consistent with certain Hindu and Roman Catholic prophetic writings as well. This video gives more details and quotes which point to the destruction of the United States of America by 2028.










33 comments:

Anonymous said...

Thiel is getting crazier by the day. Mental health issues do that to a person.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again..

Some people will believe his lunacy prophecies and will sit in a corner trembling and waiting for the end to come. Only to find out in a couple of years that they end up empty handed.

DennisCDiehl said...

Bob Babelesyses:

1. If as the School of Elijah taught, that God inspired Elijah to state that the world as we have known it would last 6,000 years, to be followed by a thousand year sabbatical time, which Jewish tradition

Or if as geology, paleontology and cosmology teaches that is BS....
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2. And if, consistent with scriptures in both the Old and New Testaments, we can apply the concept that a thousand years is as a day to God

Or if that was the apologetic as to why Jesus had not yet come by the time the early NT Church was dying off and meant to silence "noticers" called scoffers.
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3. And if, as generally understood in the Church of God that Jesus was killed and resurrected no later than the Spring of 31 A.D. on Passover.

Or if that's just one of several dates speculated about since no one can be sure....
Or even if the Gospel story of Jesus is a mere literary construct and "passion play" of the times...
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4. And if we can presume that the “last days” of a 7,000 year prophetic week began AFTER the middle day (day 4), then the last days prior to the “sabbatical” time, which some would refer to as the millennial Kingdom of God would last two thousand years.

And if we can't presume it at all since the 7000 is a false foundation to build on..... (See pt 1)
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5. And if when Peter referred to being in the last days (Acts 2:17-18Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)) and since Hebrews 1:1-12Open in Logos Bible Software (if available) teaches that “God … has in these last days spoken to us by His Son.”

And if Peter was referring to his time and not yours as "these last days"....

(PS BTW Peter was not written by the Peter you think no at the time you think
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DennisCDiehl said...

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6. Then adding 2,000 years to a period of time leads to the end of the 6,000 years no later than 2031 (and it could be earlier than that).

Then adding 2,000 years ... is a hattrick and something never intended be done. And the NT "coming soon" was meant for them not YOU or US and is a failed prophecy.
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7. Since the Great Tribulation is expected to start 3 1/2 years prior to that (cf. Revelation 12:14Open in Logos Bible Software (if available); 13:5Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)) subtracting 3 1/2 years from the Spring of 2031 would be late in
2027.

Since the Great Tribulation was expected to start when the Romans laid seige to Jerusalem in 70 AD as the Book of Revelation was written to the Jewish Christians stuck in the city THEN.....and Revelation failed too with a Roman win...
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8. Understand that the U.S.A. is prophesied to be taken over near the rise of the Beast and start of the Great Tribulation (cf. Daniel 11:39Open in Logos Bible Software (if available); Jeremiah 30:7Open in Logos Bible Software (if available); Matthew 24:21-22Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)).

Understand that the USA is not prophesied anywhere, much less in the Daniel, Jeremiah, or Matthew....
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9. Therefore, since the end of two full U.S.A. presidential terms would end in January of 2029, these prophetic understandings point to the end of the U.S.A. prior to two full presidential terms.

Since therefore this line of reasoning is getting ridiculous.....
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10. This is also consistent with certain Hindu and Roman Catholic prophetic writings as well. This video gives more details and quotes which point to the destruction of the United States of America by 2028.

This is nothing remotely close to being consistent, real, true or remotely possible in pointing to anything in this chain of BS thoughts linkage because you so desperately want to be important, marveled at and special when you are neither important, marveled at nor special.
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Break one link in a chain, much less 10 and ...well you know.

I do congratulate you on your illogical and non-critical thinking and need to believe in yourself, at making the scriptures mean what they never meant or ever will mean.

Hoss said...

2027 In Prophecy!

But without the Basil Wolverton illustrations...

He's down to following the line of other COGs - I remember when Dave Pack first called on the 6000-year argument. One thing that was lacking in Bob's forecast was the usual wiggle room and wiggle-words to distance him from being a date-setter.

DennisCDiehl said...

As long as I'm at it...

Your mixing together of your right wing views, as if they somehow support your view of the Bible, are further poisoning your already false conclusions about just about everything. You're not a prophet Bob. You're a right wing commentator with a religious egoic twist as to your own self image and importance above the rest of humanity. Stick to your profession, (Naturopath) which also has it's questionable what ifs and "truths".

Many if not most Naturopathic remedies and beliefs are to actual modern medicine as your alternative theology and self image as special part in it is to Princeton Theological Seminary. Woo woo vs True True.

I recently was the volunteer for a Naturopath student for his video doing muscle testing. You know..."resist with your arm....smell this...resist again. It was hilarious to me as the push to see what normal pushback is vs the push to show the students my arm was weakened by the smelling of this or that and then the recovery was contrived. When I pushed back too hard when it was supposed to prove I was weaker, he pushed my arm down ever so much harder to draw the foregone conclusions needed. I'm not stupid.

There was plenty of woo woo in massage therapy and when teaching massage, I pointed it out and cautioned students to not be taken in by every snake oil concept in massage.

For whatever personal reasons and interests, I still seem to have the need to point out the Snake Oil in theology and you qualify.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/top-20-theological-schools-seminaries-us-hein-van-wyk

http://www.mortontavel.com/tag/naturopathic-treatment/

DennisCDiehl said...

I deeply understand the bad habit of thinking that "fringe" anything can make a person feel more correct .

WCG always felt more right in my naive youth because it seemed to buck mainstream religion in ways that seemed more relevant to the times I was living in and not meant for the times the Bible characters were living in. It read the Bible as if it was written yesterday to us today. Everyone else, including the highly trained were Churchianity and "So Called Christians". Seminaries were Cemeteries and Ambassador College was "The West Point of God's Work". Both untrue. But it played well to the need to feel right and special.

When something is labeled and practices as "Alternative" this or that, one needs to be cautions in my experience. It usually means someone has come up with a personal viewpoint outside of and unwilling to accept criticism and peer review to establish validity.

The placebo effect also works very well in religion as well as alternative "medicine" to those who need to believe it which is why you can't tell them anything that might give pause to their conclusions. Anecdotal evidence either in religion of alternative practices is way too often the substitute for actual facts via reproducible, consistent and obvious results.

I used to be a Snake-Oil Salesman in religion as well, so I understand how it works and why. I also did not know I was until I did. That does not make it any less snake oil however.

Anonymous said...

Somebody call a Wahhbulance It's the Great white Bwahhna

Anonymous said...

So Dennis Diehl admits that he was a snake-oil salesmen. Well, he's still a snake-oil salesman, but this time is selling the gospel of atheism.
The tribulation is mentioned in many places in the bible, so Bobs take changes nothing. Neither does Dennis Diehls.
The choice is to believe either Dennis the spiritual menace, or the book of Revelation. Choose wisely.

Anonymous said...

The tribulation starts for me every time I see a post from pill pushing Bob.

Anonymous said...

I have asked my self why people seem to be hopelessly captivated by these prophetic fantasies. Many of us have had this experience and I think struggle yet with processing it. I recently heard a segment on NPR that I think put it into words quite well. It was an interview of a woman who was at one time an anti-vaxxer who was later convinced to have her children vaccinated by the Covid crisis. She observed the following:

1. She began listening to spurious anti-vaxxer material and soon she found that this movement became a part of her identity.

2. She believed, because she was an anti-vaxxer, she knew important truths that other people did not understand. She said it was like she had a secret game code to a video game that permitted her to defeat disease.

3. Her chief source of information was the echo-chamber of the anti-vaxxer movement. She exposed herself to the same fabricated data and ideas ad nauseum.

Does that sound familiar? Ring a bell? It is interesting that the dynamics of deception are the same everywhere. I don't agree with Dennis' take on prophecy entirely. But he has the dynamics of deception right.

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Painful Truth said...

The end of the USA is not the end of the world. At what point does the membership realize this? America will always exist in some form. Succession of the states? Most likely. We are getting there but this is not the end. The end of the USA comes if we have a nuclear exchange. Then the whole world is fucked as man will spend centuries digging out of the ruins and reforming into societies. Then the whole shit show starts over until another asshole thinks he can conquer the world.

Humans never learn and are incapable of ever changing their behavior. Its the way we are.

Retired Prof said...

Jan. 25 at 5:12 AM says "The choice is to believe either Dennis the spiritual menace, or the book of Revelation. Choose wisely."

Thanks for the reminder, but I already did choose wisely. Believe me.

Tonto said...

Thiel writes --- "This is also consistent with certain Hindu and Roman Catholic prophetic writings as well"

WTH???- why would Hindu writings mean anything to Christian revelation, or for that matter Catholic prophetic writings.

Doesn't Thiel believe the Bible in the least??...

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


Anonymous said...

Thiel is not Christian, he is pagan. He is a lapsed Catholic at heart and has spent too much time investigating pagans. Since he denies Christ, I guess paganism is his only outlet.

Anonymous said...

Annon at 5:12
“ The choice is to believe either Dennis...or the book of Revelation. Choose wisely.”

Dennis has a history of supplying reference material to the claims he makes. The book of Revelation was written according to many scholars and reference books about 90 C.E. An army of about 60,000 Roman soldiers had destroyed the temple about 20 years earlier. The temple, the seat of Jewish worship had been torn down and burned. We read that John had a vision and was taken to heaven where he saw strange images. A beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. It was like a leopard, with feet like the feet of a bear, and had a mouth like that of a lion. John saw a great whore riding this beast. Then Revelation goes into an account of how a great tribulation was going to bring the world to the brink of utter destruction. For 2,000 years people have felt the return of Christ was going to be soon. Every time there was a war, severe weather event or disease epidemic, people proclaimed the return of Jesus was eminent. The righteous are always those who claim to be righteous. Those who interpret these strange signs that John saw are the ones being saved. There have been countless men and women who have had these mysteries revealed to them. Yet nothing they have revealed has come to pass.

I do not believe any religious group can predict the future. Do I believe the book of Revelation? I believe it exists. Was John’s vision how he saw the Romans being punished for destroying Jerusalem? Did John see Christ retuning to free the Jewish nation from Roman domination. Is it an end time prophecy for today. Many think they know. Stay tuned.

JimAZ

Anonymous said...

Tonto January 25, 2021 at 10:05 AM

Thiel's a atheist and Christianity is also a foreign religion to him.

Anonymous said...

Retired Prof
"..but I already did choose wisely. Believe me."

Ha, ha, ha. Funeee.
I hope you didn't get baptised Prof.

Andre Nelson said...

"Understand that the Anglo-American nations need repentance in order to delay what is coming (cf. Daniel 4:26).

However, the Bible points to them not sufficiently doing so:

5 …But the Assyrian shall be his king, Because they refused to repent. (Hosea 11:5b)

Just because your nation will not repent, that does not mean that you cannot.

Seek first the Kingdom of God (Matthew 6:33).

The end of the USA is coming soon.

Perhaps by 2028."

-From COGwriter AKA Bob Thiel

Anonymous said...

I hope you didn't get baptised Prof.

Why would you say this, Anon 11:12AM? Practically all the ACOG splinters now agree that huge numbers of unconverted people get baptized, and as a result aren't in danger of the Lake of Fire when they apostatise. Yes, HWA liked to hold the Lake of Fire over members' heads as a threat, but if he was right then more than 95% of those baptized in WCG are headed for the Lake of Fire, and the Holy Spirit looks like it is either useless or a trickster spirit that is no help to the baptised. Either way, the whole idea of a "better resurrection" for the fortunate firstfruits goes right out the window, if baptism is mostly a ticket to the Lake of Fire in this age, but is almost universally a ticket to entering the God Family during the Millennium and White Throne Judgment.

Anonymous said...


“Crackpot COG Prophet Predicting Late 2027 For Start Of Tribulation”


Bobby is guessing, guessing, guessing....

But, so is everyone else.

Anonymous said...

11.22 AM
Ever heard the term "a contract is a contract?" When people get baptized, they have entered into a contract with God, and whether they were converted or unconverted is of no consequence.
Just where in the bible does it say that people during the millennium will "almost universally" qualify for the kingdom?
HwA also claimed that people during the millennium will enter the kingdom as soon as they die. I don't see that in the bible either. This clashes with the first fruits being blessed by living and ruling with Christ for a thousand years.

Btw, the holy spirit is a helper. It doesn't take away self responsibility or freedom of choice.
If Retired Prof got baptised, he is in for a big shock come judgment day.

Retired Prof said...

Anon Jan. 25 at 11:12 AM: "I hope you didn't get baptised Prof."

Nope. I thought HWA, GTA, RCM, etc., were deluded, so I opted out. Now I see it was worse than a delusion. It was a con.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous at 11:22 AM said...“Practically all the ACOG splinters now agree that huge numbers of unconverted people get baptized, and as a result aren't in danger of the Lake of Fire when they apostatise. Yes, HWA liked to hold the Lake of Fire over members' heads as a threat, but if he was right then more than 95% of those baptized in WCG are headed for the Lake of Fire, and the Holy Spirit looks like it is either useless or a trickster spirit that is no help to the baptised. Either way, the whole idea of a 'better resurrection' for the fortunate firstfruits goes right out the window, if baptism is mostly a ticket to the Lake of Fire in this age, but is almost universally a ticket to entering the God Family during the Millennium and White Throne Judgment.”


This reminds me of someone in the WCG in the past who got to wondering if he had been truly converted when he was baptized -- and hoping that he had not been.

In the past, everyone was supposedly truly converted. Now, supposedly almost nobody was truly converted. Now, as in the past, everybody just makes up whatever suits them best.

TLA said...

2031 is an obvious date because it is 2000 years after the start of the Christian Church.
However:
1) Jesus in the gospels says noone but the Father knows the date
2) the early writings all assumed the return would come in their lifetime.
3) Acts has Peter quoting Joel that in the last days Acts 2 v 17 Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Other than Bob, Flurry, Pack, and Weinland we don't see any COG people seeing visions and having dreams.
When 2027 and 2031 pass, then what will Bobby do? Pull a Pack?

Anonymous said...

When Bob's prophecy fails, and it will, he will just find some other pagan avenue to venture into. Maybe he will repent and humble himself and ask Gerald Weston for forgiveness.

Anonymous said...

Thiel repent? LOL!

Thiel humble himself? Double LOL!

Kiss Weston's ass? Priceless!

Painful Truth said...

"Btw, the holy spirit is a helper. It doesn't take away self responsibility or freedom of choice.
If Retired Prof got baptised, he is in for a big shock come judgment day.

January 25, 2021 at 1:12 PM"
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In your opinion. Ever think that YOU are wrong???
Hmm...

Anonymous said...

6.24 PM
"Ever think that YOU are wrong???"

I think that I could be wrong all the time. Which is why I look long and hard at the evidence before coming to a conclusion. Which is why I invest much time reading books and articles from a variety of sources to discern the way the world works.
Btw, your point of view is just your opinion as well. Or do you think that your words are words from the mouth of God??

Anonymous said...

Oh no! Another 6000 year calculation. But maybe this time it's ...............

2083 years from creation of Adam to Terah’s death – Genesis 5, 11
450 years from “chose our fathers” to Caleb getting land – Acts 13:17-20 NASB; Joshua 14:6-15
434 years to 1Kings 6:1 [480 yrs less 40 yrs in the wilderness and 6 years to Caleb getting land]
36 remaining years of Solomon’s reign
393 years of kings’ reigns from Rehoboam through 11th year of Zedekiah [to 585 BC] - 2Chronicles
2604 years from 585 BC to 2020 AD
6000 years total

Anonymous said...

NEO all the points you made can be equally applicable to all other kinds of belief systems that exhibit cultish mentality be it political, religious, medical, etc like evolutionists, pro-abortionists, anti-antivaxxers, etc

Painful Truth said...

Btw, your point of view is just your opinion as well. Or do you think that your words are words from the mouth of God??

January 26, 2021 at 12:31 AM
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Correct. It is my opinion. All of us have one.

Anonymous said...

Blind, self-exalted, false prophet Bob Thiel, by another spirit, not only believes and preaches another false gospel, another Jesus, another millennium aka Mickey Mouse Millennium with another Jesus soon to return and reign on planet earth for 1,000 years with former WCG "little helper" hirelings et al, but he makes mention of "the great tribulation," a phrase nowhere found in the Bible (unless one looks into the Greek words of Revelation 7:14 where the definite article "the" should be inserted) said/wrote the following:
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"...7. Since the Great Tribulation is expected to start 3 1/2 years prior to that (cf. Revelation 12:14Open in Logos Bible Software (if available); 13:5Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)) subtracting 3 1/2 years from the Spring of 2031 would be late in 2027..."
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Thiel's idea of "the Great Tribulation" coming immediately prior to his Mickey Mouse Tribulation, although so many still believe that some coming tribulation is the greatest ever. That is easy to say when one turns a blind eye to the mess the earth is in immediately after Satan is loosed from that bottomless pit. Doesn't Bob Thiel read his Bible? Or, just use that self-exalted blind eye of his?

Here are 2 "great tribulation" verses from AKJV, which don't show the word "the" (Greek is "ek") before the word "great:"

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

But a Frank Nelte in an August 1995 article titled: "THE GREAT TRIBULATION" AND "THE GREAT MULTITUDE" explained that the definite article "the" belongs in Rev 7 (& not Matt 24):
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"...kai eirĂŞka autĂ´ kurie su oidas kai eipen moi outoi eisin oi erchomenoi ek tĂŞs thlipseĂ´s tĂŞs megalĂŞs kai eplunan tas stolas autĂ´n kai eleukanan stolas autĂ´n en tĂ´ haimati tou arniou (Revelation 7:14)

The expression here is "ek tĂŞs thlipseĂ´s tĂŞs megalĂŞs". This is the genitive case, required by the preposition "ek". Notice something though.

THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THE DEFINITE ARTICLE IS USED WITH THIS PHRASE!..."
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What is another bottom line from Frank's article?
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Frank knows Rev 7:14 applies to all who come up in the 2nd resurrection, and those people:
"...have all lived before! They lived when Satan was the god of this world. They lived during the time when the earth was cursed (Genesis 3:17-19; 4:12). They lived during the time when man's mind was only "evil from his youth" (Genesis 6:5; 8:21). They lived when mankind did not really know the way of peace (Romans 3:17), when destruction and misery was the normal way of life (Romans 3:16). They had lived in slavery to Satan through the fear of death "all their lifetime" (Hebrews 2:15)..."
And in other words: "...So while there have been many periods of "great tribulation" throughout human history, and while the one coming soon will be worse than all the previous ones, as far as God is concerned, the entire 6000 year period of Satan's rule over this Earth (INCLUDING the coming 'Great Tribulation'!) is worthy of THE NAME "THE GREAT TRIBULATION"!..."
Is "the Great Tribulation" just mankind's life under Satan's reign?

Time will tell...

John