Trial and Error
To further advance his growing Empire of Speculation, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God introduced a solid-gold Accountability Shield to further protect him from all biblical responsibilities. Bible prophecy is a process of trial and error, folks. The Pastor General’s desperation knows no bounds.
“The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 444)” on May 20, 2023, was followed by Part 445 on May 24. Part 444 reset the table, but Part 445 tossed a bunch of 444 into the trash to reset the table again. Though, for real, this one last time.
Per Part 444 on May 20:
• The Kingdom Is Not Coming on May 21.
• "If Correct," The Kingdom Comes on May 23 But Must be Before May 25.
• 1-1-7-1K Kingdom Structure Iddn’t Gonna Change.
• Sabbath and Pentecost Constitute “God’s Weekend.”
• Simpler One Month Kingdom: 18-2-10-3.5
Per Part 445 on May 24:
• No Kingdom on May 23 or 25.
• 1-1-7-1K Kingdom Structure Changes to 1-7-1K.
• No One Month Kingdom, But Is Part of The First.
• The Kingdom To Israel Is Inside The Kingdom of God.
• The One Year First Kingdom of God Is 390 Days.
• “God’s Weekend” Never Mind.
• The Kingdom of God Arrives on Pentecost at Sunrise in Jerusalem
Tired of being quoted verses about false prophets and false teachers, David C. Pack found a verse he could mangle just enough to give him cover for seven-and-a-half years of Prophetic Groundhog Days.
Part 444 – May 20, 2023
@ 00:14 Thought I would explain something to you that might be very interesting and helpful… Prophecy (a third of the Bible) is different than (and really contrasted to) all other doctrines. It’s almost not a doctrine. It’s doctrine. It’s many, many doctrines in one. But, when you study prophecy, you study knowing in part, and it requires a certain trial and error because the amount of it is just so vast. There’s trial and error. You see a scenario. You play it out. It looks good. It has some strengths. Then, eventually, things don't work, and you break it down, and you start again. It's trial and error. You know in part and if God’s guiding, you know a little more and a little more.
He compares prophecy to doctrines like tithing, the Sabbath, and Holy Days. But prophecy is different. He perverts the meaning of 1 Corinthians 13:9, “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part,” and finds another Get Out Of Jail Free Card to play.
During Part 373, David C. Pack explained, “I’m telling, not foretelling.”
During Part 425, he redefined “inspired preaching” to mean “teaching what the Bible says.”
Now, during Part 444, teaching Bible prophecy “requires a certain trial and error.”
Each step defuses the discernment that he is a false prophet and a false teacher. Excuse piled upon excuse piled upon excuse. David C. Pack found another way to “explain away” his persistent failures while also absolving himself of all responsibility for those failures.
He is just a victim of the process, brethren, and not a perpetrator of biblical fraud handling the word of God deceitfully. So, it is okay to continue to pay him to set dates because, by design, one-third of the Bible was always meant to be approached this way.
Part 444 – May 20, 2023
@ 03:10 But prophecy is different. God nowhere says you know about the Sabbath in part. Or tithing in part. Or the Holy Days on unclean meat. There's no other place in the Bible regarding any other subject, any other doctrine where you know in part.
David C. Pack admits that Bible prophecy is basically a guessing game. Except, he seemed torn as to what prophecy is. “It’s almost not a doctrine. It’s doctrine. It’s many, many doctrines in one.”
It's not. It is. It's many. That is another sign of the divided house between his ears.
doctrine
a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group
Bible prophecy is a doctrine, despite how Dave wants to frame it. Setting a date for the return of Jesus Christ and having it fail still constitutes being a false prophet, despite how Dave wants to frame it.
The revelation that understanding Bible prophecy requires trial and error was such a huge relief for Dave he expanded on it four days later.
Part 445 – May 24, 2023
@ 00:29 …regarding prophecy, we know in part. Requiring trial and error. To some degree, you could say, "hit and miss." We have to piecemeal our way to develop the picture. And I contrasted this approach to other doctrines. I think I cited seven.
@ 01:00 Many found I heard this from many, actually, quite a few. I think, including ministers. Members and ministers. Many found this very helpful.
The people at Headquarters who found this new unbiblical concept helpful are the most pitiful in The Restored Church of God. Perhaps they got the same sense of relief Dave did because it gives a plausible excuse for why he cannot get anything right. It removes accountability for teaching fraud but also eliminates the responsibility of the members to obey the Bible and hold their human idol accountable.
The brethren are not being defrauded. They are enduring. That must have soothed the consciences of many still holding on despite knowing they continue to tithe to The Restored Church of Another god.
It is like when a cheating husband gains relief from guilt because he discovers that his wife has also been cheating. Something uncomfortable suddenly becomes a win/win situation.
After listing all the correct doctrines RCG still holds on to, including the truth about hair pieces and tattoos, Dave finds another way to transfer the blame onto others. It is always the fault of those who leave and never about what and how he taught.
Part 445 – May 24, 2023
@ 03:20 We have, we teach, and we know the Truth. All of it. I might ask, Why ever leave over prophetic trial and error when we’ve learned so much more than others who know so little?… Because it involved piecemeal, some hit-and-miss, and trial and error.
You can now add piecemeal to the process. The Bible must be filled with the concept of hit-and-miss. If you can find those verses, please email exrcgwebsite@gmail.com. My version of e-Sword seems to be lacking them.
@ 03:56 All those other doctrines are clear. They’re taught in a very clean and clear way… But not when you're talking about one-third of the Bible. So, as I’ve said all through the Series, people who wanna leave because we can’t get the third right when we’re moving way beyond everybody else on that and already have the rest of the truth, they just don’t wanna obey God. They just don’t wanna obey God.
The Restored Church of God
Two Out Of Three Ain’t Bad™
The idea that one-third of the Bible was not taught in a clean, clear way so that God’s people could discern a false teacher from a true one never enters the discussion.
May God have mercy on David Crowl Pack.
His blindness continually denies any and all responsibility for causing the little ones to stumble. He is NEVER the cause.
If that one sheep wandered off from the flock—good riddance. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. No millstones are engraved with Dave’s name because those who left RCG “just don’t wanna obey God.” Easy-peasy.
Now that "trial and error" has become an official doctrine of The Restored Church of God, the brethren can look forward to an unapologetic continuation of the Series after Pentecost fails to produce anything beyond stuffed green envelopes.
Part 445 – May 24, 2023
@ 45:10 Dawn in Jerusalem is the only time when the entire world dawn in Jerusalem when the entire world is inside Pentecost. Either just crept into it or just about to pass out. It’s “fully come” to the whole planet worldwide.
@ 47:28 So, what the disciples were asking is exactly what we’re asking. Only finally, trial and error, piecemeal, you know, here a little, there a little, hit and miss. We have pinned down, or we're pinning down when I'm done, I'm gonna give you about forty-eight things; we'll have given you that many that point to Pentecost that appear to make it impossible to move away from.
Pentecost—May 28, 2023
Sunrise in Jerusalem: 5:35 AM (May 27 at 10:35 PM ET)
Sunrise in Wadsworth: 5:59 AM ET
@ 1:15:21 What other day would you pick? I mean, if it’s not Pentecost, it’s gonna take a better person than I to ever be able to explain it. It’s just above my pay grade.
Better Future Dave has already phoned ahead to accept the challenge. Do not be surprised when more “clarifying” comes out of Headquarters this weekend.
@ 1:21:58 But, if it’s not Pentecost, then I don’t know what it is.
By the time I sip my morning coffee tomorrow, David C. Pack will have erred again before the entire church. Those who choose to put their green envelopes in the basket are willing to accept they now attend The Trial and Error Church of Another god.
You get what you pay for. Prepare to keep getting more of it.
A famous quote by W.C. Field applies to Parts 444 and 445.
“If at first don’t succeed, try, try again…”
It is the lesser-known second-half that perfectly applies to David C. Pack.
“Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it.”
David C. Pack is a damn fool too arrogant to know when to quit. The brethren of The Trial and Error Church of Another god are proving they agree with a damn fool and want to keep supporting one. Shame upon both your houses.
To cling to a "trial and error" philosophy is to accept perpetual defeat into the vanishing point. It also proves that ERROR is half of the equation. Which Spirit guides that thinking, the Spirit of Truth or the Spirit of Error?
You also cannot have “hit-and-miss” with David C. Pack because he is ALL miss and NEVER hit. Pentecost tomorrow will only be the most recent example.
Even the Prophets of Baal knew when to give up and let Elijah call upon God. They were instantly proven false when the fire burned the water along with the sacrifice. The brook Kishon drank much blood that day.
It took self-aggrandizing prophecy expert David Crowl Pack the vast experience of fifty years to reach his ultimate conclusion of the matter: Bible prophecy requires trial and error.
Moses, Gad, Nathan, Ahijah, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Shemaiah, Iddo, Oded, Huldah, Hosea, Habakkuk, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Daniel, Nahum, Amos, Isaiah, Joel, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Zephaniah, Malachi, and Agabus would all disagree.
Talk about a great cloud of witnesses that David C. Pack is a biblical fraud, a false apostle, and a false prophet. Also, being a blaspheming liar and hypocrite does help his case for legitimacy.
Abraham understood that even with God, there comes a point where there are not enough righteous left in Sodom to keep it from burning.
How many righteous remain in The Restored Church of God?
Do not stick around to find out. Get out while you still can.
For those who have not yet done so, please read Jessica Brown’s Plea to the Parents of RCG and Adelle Ambrose’s Plea to the Young People of RCG.
Marc Cebrian
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17 comments:
Prophetic "trial and error"?!
A few people KNEW when Jesus was born that He was the Messiah. Luke 2:25-38 tells us that.
Moses KNEW that God would show Korah who was holy and who was not. Numbers 16 shows that. (And Moses didn't even seem to ask for God's guidance first.)
Attempts to move away from "trial and error" to "the more sure word of prophecy" are why most COG's wisely have been against date-setting since the early 1970s.
Stick to "Truth," Mr. Pack, and quit subjecting RCG to... well, trials.
Who can blame Pack for changing the meaning of the Bible? It's what all churches do. Sure, he's lying, but so what? That's how the religious industry functions.
Will trial and error raise religion to the level of a science? It will be an improvement.
We will be waiting to hear from Dave after 72 hours. It sounds like he might be getting a little concerned about people leaving. He just can’t understand why they don’t want to stay and listen to BS. Dave, they can get the normal BS at any of the COGS. And they don’t need to sell all to get it.
Trial & Error is how we developed A.I.
- 40 years of fiddling w ANN (artificial-neural-networks)
But, was Dave pack wearing underwear for that message?
There is a spirit working within these churches that has stopped the hearing of people. How else can you sit there week after week and hear lies? Ones that you could otherwise plainly see?
Even Herbie didn't try to pull such a fast one. Herb just lied and said he never said he was a prophet.
Remember 1975 in prophecy?
He dosen't know the truth of doctrine. He is teaching people to live under the Old Covenant.
He CANNOT show them the truth of the New Covenant since he is blind concerning it. A veil is over his eyes.
Please leave his group and find the truth about the New Covenant and the rest that is yours in Jesus Christ... and understand that He finished the work on the cross so you could be free from slavery to sin and the Law.
Sunrise has come to Wadsworth, Ohio. No DCP shouting to the entire world. Rest easy, folks. Likes like another miss rather than a hit. Looks like another error that is part of the trial for the folks attending The Trial and Error Church of Another god.
He finished the work on the cross so you could be free from slavery to sin and the Law.
You mean free TO sin.
"Messianic Guru" personality type has been well known, actually even rising to the level of cliche. Such a person's followers simply convince themselves that it does not apply to theirs.
Cults have been exposed, along with the damage they inflict upon their members, and their brains, their social functionality, and their financial conditions for the past four decades. Once again, cult members find ways in which to convince themselves that their cult is not a cult. Nobody deliberately sets out to join a cult. Present cult members had originally sought out answers to their deepest philosophical questions, and solutions for the trials of daily life, and joined groups which profess to have these and also offer personal warmth and fellowship, a feeling of being part of something bigger and grander than themselves.
We've seen time and again, in areas of religious and political zealotry, that you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that a leader's major premises are wrong, you can expose leaders' wrong-doing, you can demonstrate the damage a philosophy causes, and you can prove bogusness in court, yet the followers will not desert their leaders. There will always be a solid core, simply because there is never a shortage of people who cannot or will not figure things out on their own. They need a strong man to spoon-feed them answers and solutions. Without their guru, they will be lost. They do not realize that they have been reduced to the role of parrot, and actually believe that the mantras they repeat display great wisdom and are the truths most people would never discover on their own.
Back in my days in Herbie's old, classic WCG, I realized that it was useless to "get to know the brethren". Because in most cases, all you needed to do was read the PT and GN, read the booklets, and listen to the sermons, any you would know precisely what any church member's opinions were even prior to you having any conversations with them. There was so much internal gnosticism, so many shibboleths, so many cliches. I watched at Ambassador College, as students shed the personalities which they had during their first few weeks on campus, and instead, adopted and embraced the UAP (Universal Ambassador Personality) as they became immersed in the church and college culture. It was so blatant that merchants, bus drivers, cab drivers, and people on the street could tell by looking that someone they encountered was from Ambassador College.
Once one has changed to this extent, and is now part of a group mindset, it becomes part of their personal support system. It becomes a reason not to leave, in spite of any counter information one might receive. Tunnel vision sets in, and one simply marginalizes and refuses to acknowledge things which should be as plain as the nose on their faces. Once we understand these things, it is very easy to understand why RCG members don't simply walk away from a church which is obviously parasitic to their lives and well-being.
To 10:48 am who said, "You mean free TO sin. No, dear person, I meant freedom from slavery to sin and the Law.... If you are in Christ, He sets you free from living a worldly, sinful, life.
Doesn't mean we never mess up, but one who abides in Christ is not a "sinner." He lives in righteousness by the Holy Spirit.
In the Worldwide Church of God, they blanket using words like ALL, NEVER, ALWAYS. No critical thinking allowed.
We learned this in junior high when writing, not to use those words. It shows and projects great ignorance.
His followers are trauma bonded to a narcissist. It doesn't matter what he does or says or anyone else, until they can identify the emotional vacuum his prophetic nonsense and false sense of authority fills, there is no rational argument or analysis that can break the TRAUMA BOND. Nothing will free you from the con artists and assholes -- from Herb, his henchmen, the wannaba Herbs and their henchmen to the parents who raised you among assholes with no real appreciate for this wonderful life and world but just miserable dicks living for the end of the world -- like understanding narcissistic abuse and seeing the connections between religion, business, politics and dysfunctional narcissistic families. David Pack is a pathetic human being supported by people often for no fault of their own are found in pathetic circumstances, looking for community and purpose. There is no arrogance and evil greater than the belief YOU are an agent of the supreme being, called for a SPECIAL purpose. You are among the most lost and pathetic because you just can't be wrong.
They are supposed to be reading the Bible every day on their own allowing the Holy Spirit to teach each of them.
At a certain age, they are at fault.
"We have, we teach, and we know the Truth. All of it."
No. That is a lie.
John MacArthur, a reformed Calvinist, and Sunday adherent, has more truth than Dave does. And is a far more effective teacher.
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