AiCOG: Comparing Cults: Armstrongism vs. Mormonism The Odd Offshoots of Christianity

 

Comparing Cults: Armstrongism vs. Mormonism

The Odd Offshoots of Christianity

by AiCOG

Christianity has seen its fair share of offshoots, but few have managed to build full-fledged religious empires out of creative reinterpretations of doctrine quite like Armstrongism and Mormonism. Both claim to be the one true restoration of the faith, both thrive on apocalyptic urgency, and both have an unhealthy obsession with their human founders. If we put them in a room together, they might just form a new sect called the Church of Fraud of Latter-Gay Snakes.

Despite their theological differences, Armstrongism and Mormonism share an eerie number of similarities, especially in how they twist scripture, demand cult-like loyalty, and add extra-biblical revelations. While orthodox Christianity remains rooted in the teachings of Christ and the apostles, these two movements have concocted alternate histories, bizarre eschatologies, and extra-scriptural authorities that would make even the most eccentric televangelist blush. So, let’s take a ride through the land of self-proclaimed prophets, angelic encounters, and prophetic date-setting, all while contrasting these heretical hijinks against real Christian doctrine.

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1. Self-Appointed Prophets and the Art of Self-Promotion

Cults:
Both Armstrongism and Mormonism are built on the charisma (or narcissism) of their founders. Joseph Smith and Herbert W. Armstrong were men of vision—quite literally, in Smith’s case, since he claimed to see angels giving him golden plates. Armstrong, on the other hand, didn't need plates; he simply received "truth" that had supposedly been lost for 1900 years.

Christianity:
Orthodox Christianity, by contrast, isn’t reliant on a single human figure for legitimacy. Jesus Christ alone is the foundation (Ephesians 2:20), not a conman with an overactive imagination or a failed ad-man turned apostle. Real Christianity doesn’t hinge on the latest visionary’s new revelations but on the unchanging truth of the gospel.

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2. Extra-Biblical Scripture: Because One Bible Just Isn't Enough

Cults:
Mormons have the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. Armstrongists don’t technically have a second Bible, but they may as well, given the sheer volume of Armstrong’s writings treated as inspired. Reading Armstrong’s "Mystery of the Ages" is practically a rite of passage for the faithful, much like a young Mormon memorizing passages from Joseph Smith’s works.

Christianity:
Orthodox Christianity, however, sees the Bible as a complete and sufficient revelation from God (2 Timothy 3:16-17). No need for hidden plates, angelic visitations, or restored truths from men who conveniently declare themselves the only ones to receive them.

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3. The Cult of Personality: When Leaders Become Demigods

Cults:
Mormonism has Joseph Smith and a long succession of "prophets, seers, and revelators." Armstrongism had Herbert W. Armstrong, and when he died, the movement splintered into various factions, each with its own leader vying for the title of supreme Restorer of Truth™. The legacy has continued, with figures like Jon Brisby and Stephen Flurry ensuring that devotion to Armstrong remains alive and well.

Christianity:
Meanwhile, Christianity revolves around Christ (Colossians 1:18). No apostolic succession of self-proclaimed prophets is needed. Christians are called to follow Jesus, not the latest leader who claims divine authority.

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4. Restored Truth Syndrome: Everyone Else Got It Wrong Until NOW

Cults:
Armstrongism and Mormonism both thrive on the belief that historical Christianity completely lost the truth for centuries—until their respective leaders conveniently rediscovered it. Mormons claim the church went apostate after the death of the apostles, while Armstrongists believe Christianity went off the rails shortly after the first century, only to be corrected by Armstrong in the 20th century.

Christianity:
But if Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18), how could Christianity have been lost for nearly two millennia? Orthodox Christianity doesn’t suffer from this messiah complex; it trusts that God preserved His word and His church throughout history.

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5. Eschatology: The End is Always Near!

Cults:
Both movements have a flair for the dramatic when it comes to the end times. Mormons have their elaborate prophecies about America’s role in the last days, while Armstrongists have spent decades predicting the Great Tribulation (spoiler: it’s always just a few years away). When dates fail, they just move the goalposts—a strategy that would make doomsday cults proud.

Christianity:
Meanwhile, biblical Christianity acknowledges that while Christ will return, we don’t set dates or indulge in conspiracy theories (Matthew 24:36). The gospel isn’t about fear-based urgency but about faith in Christ.

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6. Works-Based Salvation: Jumping Through Hoops for the Kingdom

Cults:
Mormonism and Armstrongism both preach a form of works-based salvation. Mormons require temple rituals, celestial marriage, and a lifetime of good standing with the church to reach the highest heaven. Armstrongists insist on Sabbath-keeping, holy day observance, and dietary laws, treating grace as something to be supplemented with proper rule-following.

Christianity:
Christianity, on the other hand, teaches salvation by grace through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9). No temple endowments, no required feast days—just faith in Jesus Christ. The gospel is simple, but that doesn’t sell as well as an intricate system of legalistic hoops.

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7. Secretive Doctrines: Because a Good Cult Always Has Hidden Knowledge

Cults:
Mormons have secret temple ceremonies with handshakes that resemble something out of a Freemason playbook. Armstrongists have their "deeper understanding" of prophecy and hidden knowledge about the identity of modern-day Israel. Both groups pride themselves on having access to truths that outsiders just don’t get.

Christianity:
Christianity has no need for secret knowledge. The gospel is openly preached to all (Romans 10:9-10). There’s no need for secret handshakes, coded language, or obscure prophetic interpretations that only the enlightened few can grasp.

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Conclusion: Christianity Versus Counterfeits

Armstrongism and Mormonism share a lot in common—man-centered leadership, extra-biblical revelations, legalism, and esoteric doctrines. They twist the Bible to fit their theological narratives and demand loyalty to their self-proclaimed prophets. While they differ in specific doctrines, they both function as counterfeit versions of Christianity that elevate their founders and institutions over the simple, powerful message of the gospel.

Orthodox Christianity, by contrast, has no need for secret doctrines, apocalyptic fear-mongering, or new revelations from modern-day prophets. It stands firm on the gospel of Jesus Christ, who alone is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). No Armstrong, no Smith—just Christ.

Perhaps the next time a pair of young men on bicycles or a zealous Armstrongite tries to hand you a booklet, you can hand them a Bible and remind them that the real restoration happened 2000 years ago—and it was finished on the cross. ✝

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The Exodus: A Meaningful Story But Let's Not Take It Literally?

“Yet all agree that the Pentateuch is not a single, seamless composition but a patchwork of different sources, each written under different historical circumstances to express different religious or political viewpoints.”
― Israel Finkelstein, The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Sacred Texts

“biblical history did not take place in either the particular era or the manner described. Some of the most famous events in the Bible clearly never happened at all.”
― Israel Finkelstein, The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Sacred Texts

 –Dr. Steven DiMattei

PhD New Testament studies

http://contradictionsinthebible.com/steven-dimattei/

"Despite its provocative and even misleading title, “Contradictions in the Bible” is a website devoted to bringing biblical scholarship to the public, what experts in the field now know about the Bible’s various textual traditions, the historical and literary contexts that produced these texts, how they came to be assembled together, and even the competing aims and agendas of their diverse authors. Thus, this website’s primary aim is to reclaim the topic of Bible Contradictions for its proper field of study—biblical scholarship. In other words, biblical scholars have known and written about the Bible’s Contradictions for centuries now—what has traditionally been labeled as source-critical scholarship, that is the study of the Bible’s numerous, and often competing, textual traditions! "

"In its present form, the book of Exodus is a composite of the Yahwist, Elohist, and Priestly sources. These biblical traditions, which record the story of the Israelites’ enslavement in and exodus from Egypt, maintain that the Israelites were oppressed by an unnamed Pharaoh, used as forced laborers in the Pharaoh’s building projects, and were subsequently liberated by Moses, under Yahweh’s guidance, with signs and wonders.

Yet despite these traditions, historical specifics are never described, and neither are there any extent extra-biblical sources nor archaeological data to corroborate these narratives:

No Egyptian records of a large number of, nor any, Israelites in Egypt during the alleged time periods proposed by our biblical sources

No  literary nor archaeological records of a mass flight of 600,000 males (Ex 12:37) accompanied by women, children, servants, and livestock in what would have been a heavily fortified Egyptian presence from Egypt to Canaan

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No archeological record of settlements in the Sinai peninsula in and around the time of Rameses II, or the whole New Kingdom period (15^th-11^th c. BC) for that matter—especially true of Kadesh-barnea where this one million plus troop allegedly encamped for 38 of the 40 years spent in the peninsula!

No trace of Egyptian influence on Hebrew material culture and language as the result of four centuries of direct Egyptian contact."

...At the other end of the spectrum, there is significant archaeological data confirming the re-importance of the city of Rameses as well as the foundation of Pithom (Ex 1:11) in the 7^th century BC. In fact, all the major places in the wilderness narratives have settlement layers in the archaeological record for the 7^thcentury BC, especially Kadesh-barnea where the Israelites allegedly remained 38 of their 40 years in the peninsula—at least according to one tradition. In other words, the authors who sculpted the Exodus narrative were familiar with the geopolitical world of the Egyptian delta and the Sinai peninsula as it stood in the

7^th century BC!"

Additionally, such stories need to be assessed from within their own historical and literary culture, and not from modern reader’s agendas, presuppositions, or whims. For example, the biblical plague narrative itself was influenced by older ancient Near Eastern literary—and not historical—traditions. There are a number of Sumerian tales that narrate how the goddess Inanna brought forth three plagues upon the land, the last of which was turning all the water of the land to blood. Various plagues and skin diseases, such as boils, are prominent curses among numerous different covenantal treaty documents in the literature of the ancient Near East. Hail is visibly one of the plagues sent by Inanna as well, and swarms of plant eating locusts are a popular divine punishment in Assyrian vassal treaties and other texts from Mesopotamia. Moreover, in the ancient Near Eastern world one of the most significant ways a scribe could argue for the supremacy of his national deity over and against another nation’s god was to present his god, in the present case Yahweh, as ultimate sovereign over the forces of fertility, life, and death—and this is exactly what the whole plague narrative accomplishes. These stories must be understand and read as products of their own literary and historical contexts.

Thus, far from being a work of historical fact or the recollection of an historical event, the Exodus traditions were most likely the product of centuries of accumulated and shared cultural memories of past events in the long history between Egypt and the land of Canaan: the expulsion of the Semitic Hyksos; the fact that the Pharaohs of the New Kingdom regularly used Semites in their building projects; and the underlying political reality that the Canaanites did in fact liberate themselves from Egyptian control in the 12^th century BC, but it was the Egyptians who were expelled from the land of Canaan, not the Israelites from Egypt! As some scholars have suggested, the shared cultural memory of the liberation of Semites in Egypt might have been a powerful enough narrative to have been the catalyst for creating a shared ethnic identity and past which took the form of the Exodus narrative."

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Is the Exodus History?

UPDATE
We at the Continuing Church of God offer a  rebuttal

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Living Church of God - Not salvation issues - Justification - Germany

 

Worth a discussion: Trooisto has left a new comment on your post "LCG has 90 New Members in the United States! Woo Hoo!":

I'm preparing for a trip to Utah, so I asked an LCG associate if he had eaten at Castle Burger while he was at the FoT in Utah last month.  

The LCG associate, in true COG form, could not answer my harmless question without including a disparaging remark about Mormons.

So I said something like those Mormons are a wild and crazy bunch with so many doctrines coming from a book outside of the Bible.

The COGlodyte then added, "just like the Catholics and Protestants".

I replied that the COGs were known for their doctrines that were not found in the Bible and gave him three examples.

For each example, he could not cite any scripture but said that he felt they were addressed in the Bible, and to my surprise, he said, "these are not salvation issues, so it doesn't matter".

After being shocked by his statement I agreed that these examples were not salvation issues but said justification is a salvation issue that LCG will not address.

The COGlodyte said I was wrong and texted me a link to LCG sermons and literature and told me to do a search.

I searched on the spot and could not find a direct match for the word justification.

He then sent me a link to the LCG Statement of Beliefs and said I would find it covered there.

To my surprise, I did find the word justifies in the Statement of Beliefs (I have not yet compared this current Statement with older versions to see if it was recently added). However, this is what was written: "God justifies us from past sins."

Then the Statement of Beliefs goes on to describe how you must keep the law to earn salvation.

The LCG rendering of justification is not biblically accurate.

God forgives (not justifies) us of past sins - present and future sins too. However, the definition of justification is Jesus' righteousness is given to us to make us righteous. This righteousness, from Jesus, is the only righteousness God accepts - and it is not relegated to cover the past - it's an ever-present, forever righteousness that is the only way we can enter the Kingdom.

I guess I'm glad that LCG is looking at the concept of justification but I'm also appalled to see how badly they've mangled the term.

When I pointed out the LCG's egregious mistake to my LCG associate, he quickly changed the subject to how LCG is coming out with a new booklet on Germany.

He seemed excited about this new booklet, which surprised me because one of my examples of extra-biblical doctrines beloved by the COGs was phrased as "Does the Bible reveal the identity of modern Germany".

He kind of admitted that Germany was not named in the Bible.

However, just like his church and fellow COGlodytes, they get much more excited about a non-biblical topic, mere speculation, of the antics of that evil Germany then they care about a beautiful concept that is lovingly displayed in the Bible, such as justification.

This LCG associate would not comment on my wondering if the new LCG booklet on Germany will cover any of the failed prophesies about Germany preached by HWA during the 1930s and 1940's, any of the failed prophesies involving Germany that were recorded in the booklet "1975 in Prophesy", or any of Dr. Winnail's recent praise of that disgraced booklet.

With all the biblical proof that racial/ethnic identity don't matter because we are all one in Jesus, I cannot fathom why LCG feels they can get away with hate speech about the Germans.

10 thought patterns that trip up former Christians

 

Mental health expert details 10 thought patterns that trip up former Christians

                                                              By Valerie Tarico

Perhaps it's been years or even decades since you left biblical Christianity behind. You may have noticed long ago that there are human handprints all over the Good Book. It may have dawned on you that popular Christian versions of heaven would actually be hellish. You may have figured out that prayer works, if at all, at the margins of statistical significance—that Believers don't avoid illness or live longer than people who pray to other gods or none at all. You may have clued in that Christian morality isn't so hot and that other people have moral values too. (Shocking!) You may have decided that the God of the Bible is a jerk—or worse.

But some habits of thought are hard to break. It is a lot easier to shed the contents of Christian fundamentalism than its psychological structure.

Here are ten mental patterns that trip up many ex-Christians even when we think we've done the work of moving on. None of these are unique to former Christians, but they are reinforced by Bible-belief and Christian culture, which can make them particularly challenging for recovering believers.

1. All or nothing thinking. In traditional Christian teachings, no sin is too small to send you to hell forever. You're either saved or damned, headed for unthinkable bliss or unthinkable torment, with nothing in between. Jesus saves only because he was perfect. Moderate Christians are "lukewarm."This kind of dichotomous black-and-white thinking seeps into us directly from Bible-believing Christianity and indirectly from cultures that are steeped in Protestantism...
2. Good guys and bad guys. One consequence of black-white thinking is that we put people into two mental boxes—good guys and bad guys. You are either with us or against us, a patriot or a socialist, an anti-racist or a racist, one of us or one of them. Disagreement becomes synonymous with schism and heresy. When we discover the personal failings of a public figure like Bill Gates, we may move them from one box to the other, good guy to bad guy. Christianity offers no mental model in which people are complicated and imperfect but basically decent—we are just fallen ("utterly depraved" in the words of Calvin) and either washed in the blood or tools of Satan.
3. Never feeling good enough. Since we are acutely aware of our own failings, it can be hard internally to stay out of the bad-guy box. Some of us toggle between "I'm awesome" and "I suck." Others have a nagging internal critic that tells us nothing we do is ever quite good enough. After all, it isn't perfect, and that's the biblical standard.
4. Hyperactive guilt detection. Biblical Christianity gives tremendous moral weight to all of this, and the practice of "confessing our sins one to another" turns believers into guilt-muscle body builders. We live in a world of shoulds and should-nots, and in the Protestant ethic, those daily failings are moral failings. A nagging sense of guilt can become baseline normal, with little bursts of extra guilt as we notice one thing or another that we have left undone or goals where we have fallen short.
5. Sexual hangups. For many former Christians, particularly for women or queer people but also straight guys who like sex, it's impossible to talk about guilt without talking about sex, because sexual sins are the worst of the worst. When it comes to the Bible, getting and giving sexual pleasure are more matters of temptation than of intimacy and delight. Idolatry and murder share the top 10 list with coveting your neighbor's wife. Then there's virgin-madonna-whore trifecta. And don't forget God hates fags.
6. Living for the future. Sexual intimacy isn't the only kind of pleasure that biblical Christianity devalues; the consecrated life focuses broadly on the future rather than the moment. The small every-day wonders that comprise the center of joy in mindful living are mere distractions for a person who has their eye on the prize of heaven. As former believers grow convinced that each person gets one precious life, those individual moments can become treasures. But the habit of focusing on the future can make it really hard to center in the moment, breathe in, and bask in the ordinary beauties and delights around us.
7. Bracing for an apocalypse. Even worse than being drawn by the lure of heaven is being braced constantly for some impending apocalypse. We may no longer expect a Rapture or the Mark of the Beast or Jesus riding in on a horse. But the idea of a cataclysmic disruption in history looms large nonetheless. A sense of nuclear doom or pandemic doom or overpopulation doom or underpopulation doom may nudge us to action or be paralyzing. Either way, the experience is very different from being driven by a sense of curiosity and discovery as we face the unknown.
8. Idealizing leaders. Living in a cloud of anxiety makes us more susceptible to demagogues and authoritarians, people who exude confidence we lack, who convey that they know what's right and true and how to solve problems. They prey on our fears and on our desire to do good and be good. They prey on our sense of ourselves as sinners and tell us how to atone. (Sound familiar?) They prey on dichotomous thinking, reinforcing our sense that people who don't share our worldview must be evil and so must be silenced or defeated.
9. Desperately seeking simplicity. Biblical Christianity tells a story about us as individuals and about human history that is clear and simple. Multi-dimensional causality? Moral ambiguity? Conflicts with no good side and bad side—just sides? Problems with no right answer? Blurry boundaries between human beings and other sentient species? No thanks! Fiction from Western cultures often mirrors and reinforces older Christian templates and tropes and specific types of oversimplification. And it's all to easy to project these in turn onto the hard-to-parse and hard-to-solve challenges of the real world. We know deep down that things aren't so simple, but it's easy to act as if we live in a world of saints and sinners, elves and orcs.
10. Intrusive what-ifs. And so we struggle, with new and old interpretations of reality and thought habits competing in our brains. We tell ourselves it's ok; that we're ok. But often nagging doubts persist. What if I'm wrong? Many years ago I told a therapist that I didn't believe in the Christian god anymore, but I didn't talk to anyone about it because I didn't want to take them to hell with me. He laughed and I laughed at myself, but it also felt very real.The journey out is . . . a journey. Along the way people second guess themselves, especially if Bible-belief got inside when they were young. Years after quitting a former smoker may crave a cigarette. That doesn't mean they were wrong to quit. It just means those synaptic connections got hardwired, soldered in place, and some of them are still there.

Dave Pack: Fool's Gold

 

Fool’s Gold

After the most recent failure caveated with a last-minute walk back, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God proves that believing anything he says is akin to coveting fool’s gold.

The Pastor General has been tormented by his double-minded teaching that the Kingdom of God could arrive at the start of Daniel’s 1335 on February 12 (Oops. February 13), OR it could start on Jesus Christ’s birthday on Abib 1 (March 29, 2025).

The false prophet and his inexperienced team of crack delusionists waste away in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium at Headquarters, staring at the projector screen to conjure not-so-new ways to kick the prophetic can down the road and rehash fermented malarkey.

The doctrines of David C. Pack are so void of biblical nutrients, “The Greatest Untold Story!” Series has become a perpetual fecal transplant procedure (FMT). Yes, that is a real thing.

The 1335 did not begin on February 12 13, 2025, but Dave got in front of it so that he could later claim his suspicions were correct. It is pretty funny how he will teach about a date and express his doubts just before it happens so he can later claim he “was right” about nothing happening…on a date he set.

David C. Pack only teaches fool’s gold.

 

During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 556)” on February 1, 2025, David C. Pack expressed how hard it is to figure out prophecy because he operates only on human steam.

Part 556 – February 1, 2025
@ 03:12 It’s hard to describe how much research, time, and effort I and two other men have spent trying to break the deadlock [between February 12 and March 29].

The Bible is not a book chronicling the stories about Try-Hards. Godly men moved by the Holy Spirit would come to the correct date the first time, or they would be exposed as frauds. David C. Pack is a documented and proven biblical fraud.

@ 03:24 While one date, one of the two dates is gold. The middle of February. We’re now in February. Is gold. And the other is fool’s gold. It’s a myth. It doesn’t exist. It just looks like it does. Both cases appear to be virtually impregnable. That’s the problem. The facts that I have are gridlocked. They’re gridlocked.

Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy are no help in determining whether a biblical prophetic event will occur on February 12 (Shevat 15) or March 29 (Abib 1). My money is on both being incorrect.

Dave has grown more wishy-washy as the Series enters its tenth year. It must be hard to keep track of what he has already taught, which was impossible to misunderstand until he admitted how wrong it was the following week.

The Pastor General is so confused that he often cannot hide his bumbling indecision.

@ 04:58 Though I still believe firmly the Kingdom comes at 1335, I almost gave the case for Abib last week before changing at the last minute. Just to present you with it. And then, I almost did it at the New Moon [chuckles] before changing again at the last minute. And finally, I almost covered it again this week. It is so big. Before the last minute, yet again, deciding not to.

At least his motivations were sincere.

@ 05:32 I did not want us all to be heartbroken because WE might be blindsided should time continue till Abib.

@ 05:48 I love you. I care about you. Of course, I don’t wanna be heartbroken either, but I couldn’t shake one of the two two lists.

I love you. I care about you. But not enough to stop lying to you.

@ 06:03 One of the cases looks incredibly powerful, and it's it's just fog and smoke. It's not real.

David C. Pack pounds his fist on the table, declaring "truths" that are not real. He admits what he spends hours studying and preaching is not real. He believes in ideas that are not real. He sees patterns in the Bible that are not real. All the Headquarters hirelings agree with doctrines that are not real. 

Dear members of The Restored Church of God: Hear your human idol.

@ 07:00 So, for the third and last time, I decided to tell you it exists. It is big and it is powerful and is real. It is out there. And is very hard to shake it. But I still believe this [1335 on February 12, 2025].

David C. Pack's theories are fool's gold because he is made of fool's gold.

 

It might seem odd to the unwashed worldly heathens that as the Kingdom of God approaches and the need for material possessions becomes obsolete, The Restored Church of God still pressures members to surrender all their funds to them.

If Jesus Christ is about to return, why the push for more donations? Because Dave has your best interest in mind.

@ 23:04 You’re not only gonna go first, you’ll be the firstfruits of all the firstfruits. You’re the first people to enter the Kingdom of God. I just wanted to stress the bar is high. No wonder this church had to learn "sell all that you have," and when God says do it, you know what? You do it, or you won't meet the standard. So, I stress that periodically. "Oh, I don't think I could do that.”

Motivation by fear-mongering is an RCG staple.

@ 23:29 You wanna be eaten by a lion? How about sawn in two from the crotch up? You wanna be tortured and tormented? You see, people think they can’t do certain things, and they can.

Fear not, little flock. David C. Pack does not speak with God’s authority, so any threatenings he cast your way are made pure fool's gold.

 

 

Part 555 – January 25, 2025
@ 09:56 And having seen thousands of ministers walk away, I know that most people don’t know the difference between true and false ministers.

Some of the worst false ministers do not walk away because they love the preeminence. Right, Dave? Wink-wink.

More proof that David C. Pack is utterly blind to what he is in 3…2…1…

@ 1:26:03 And theologians do this. That’s why I say they’re the most poisonous. They’re not full of the demonstration of power. They’re lying seducers, and they've scattered God's flock. And God is not happy with them, and they're gonna get a judgment like none other. Teachers get a greater judgment.

One of the great lies David C. Pack tells himself is that God must have blessed him with special help. Otherwise, he would have died. His unique ability to continue breathing is somehow miraculous proof of his legitimacy.

@ 30:18 Now, no one can think and I’d be a fool, I’d be a fool to think that that that that that I didn’t get help laid on me. But I never would have thought of it. God says, "I anointed him." Well, I know what He gave me, and that help it was extra power. Or I couldn’ta done it. I’d long ago been dead. I was preaching up here early on, as you remember from some years ago. I was a dead man walking. Literally. And I know I know that I was, and I've had too many doctors tell me there's no way you should've made it. And and and yet, help was laid on me.

When Dave was having health issues, it was very hush-hush at Headquarters. He hid this from the brethren until his crisis passed. Since then, David C. Pack has loved to blow the trumpet of righteous perseverance despite compromising his faith by relying on human doctors to spare his life.

No matter how Dave tries to spin it now, he did NOT “walk in faith” or “rely on God” to heal him. Instead, he turned to the men of this world to save his skin.

Perhaps the “extra power” Dave refers to is the miracle of modern medical science and the wise discernment of professionals without the Holy Spirit who went to school to learn how the human body functions and prescribe the optimal medications and procedures to relieve him of his health issues.

When Dave got COVID-19, it was biblical.

When he almost got into a car accident, it was biblical.

When he farts in the elevator, but nobody can smell it, is that that also biblical? The explanation of reality is far less sexy than Dave hopes. Surrounded by feeble, weak, compromised hirelings who are so accustomed to lying to themselves, they pretend not to want to vomit so Dave can go on believing he is somehow more special than everyone else on the planet. And they pray with all their might that the elevator doors will open soon.

Dave claims he got help in one way but is completely denied in other ways that would matter.

Part 577 – February 8, 2025
@ 06:34 But, there’s no evidence in the Scriptures that I or whoever would be the final leader is gonna hear a vision or hear a voice or see a vision or get a visit or have a dream or talk to Gabriel or have a sheet come down out of heaven as Christ did with with Peter or stop Paul on the road to Damascus with a bright light and answer and reveal what we’re waiting for that way.

@ 08:31 We hafta have some kind of absolute way of knowing we’re waiting for the right date. Lacking an oracle of any kind, an utterance where, you know, John the Baptist heard an utterance, and he came outta the wilderness and began to preach. Lacking anything in Scripture like that or lacking any kind of definite event before the Kingdom, it is strictly a wait…

Dave claims he received special help from his god (Oops. Human doctors.) to keep him alive, but that same indecisive and confusing god also allows him to twist in the wind with his pants around his ankles.

The real help David C. Pack needs to be laid upon him is psychological. He suffers from a rainbow of mental disorders that only a licensed professional can diagnose.

The divine help laid upon him is just more fool’s gold.

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David C. Pack is an astounding example of how Bible verses can come to life and stare you in the face.

James 1:8
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

David C. Pack is unstable in all his ways. His ability to speak complete sentences or explain a singular thought without parenthetical interruptions and stutters has been long documented on exrcg.org.

Filed under the "You cannot make this stuff up" category, Dave emphasizes how confident he is in his own date-setting while he blunders it.

Part 555 – January 25, 2025
@ 1:50:49 I have exceptional confidence in Shevat 15 [February 12]. I have some question or Shevat 16. It would actually be because there's an extra day in Adar. You have to compensate a day. Hope you can follow that. It would be February 13^th, not the 12^th, 'cause you hafta balance it out.

After weeks of teaching February 12, he shifts it to February 13 with a simple word salad explanation.

@ 1:51:08 When Christ was 45 days before Abib or 40, whatever it was. 45 or 40, there were 29 days in Adar. So, He’d hafta start a day earlier. But, if there’s gonna be 30 days in Adar, it won’t be February 12^th, which would be the date that He He was baptized. It’d be the 13^th, or it'd be the 18^th. Now, I have exceptional confidencein that 45 days. I actually don’t think it’s the 18^th. I’m throwing it out there because it’s a small possibility. But again, you would not believe the case for Abib. You’ll only believe it when you hear it.

@ 1:52:27 I’ll return next week to, I hope, complete the Series in the belief that we only have until February 13^th. Or, we'll say mid-February. But I think it's February 13^th and not Abib [March 29].

Dave’s exceptional confidence was soon downgraded to a possible maybe, but still a solid 50/50, highlighting another biblical principle.

1 Kings 18:21
And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt you between two opinions?

Part 557 – February 8, 2025
@ 00:46 Well, WE’VE been wrestling with which date are we waiting for. Four days away or a month and a half? …And I think maybe I I can clear it up. The case for Abib is still as strong as it ever was. It’s so strong that a with the 1335 case this Thursday being just as strong. In some ways, it got even stronger…

@ 05:51 I wanna show you what looks like an absolute lock. A gold standard. Kind of an immutable principle that won’t let us get past Thursday [February 13, 2025].

Today is February 15, and only a “bitter, vindictive, and satanic enemy” would chuckle at this. #checkyourself

It was an absolute lock until after dinner, when it was downgraded to “possibly not” and “probably not.” Dave aborted the Bible study with his familiar stalling tactic of obscuring what he really thinks.

Special Comments After Part 557 – February 8, 2025
@ 00:36 On balance, as much as you’ve heard me say, I lean toward we’re waiting till Abib. So, why give you more until I can give you the massive case for Abib? You may hope for Thursday. I do. I don’t know if I can tell you I believe it or don’t believe it.

Stop. That is not what he said before the meal.

Part 557 – February 8, 2025
@ 05:51 I wanna show you what looks like an absolute lock. A gold standard. Kind of an immutable principle that won’t let us get past Thursday.

The remaining two-minute surrender is filled with grandiose deflections and pointless meandering that members of The Restored Church of God are painfully familiar with.

Thursday came and went without a world-cracking incident. Just like March 29 will come and go without the Kingdom of God arriving.

False apostle and false prophet David C. Pack is a blaspheming hypocritical liar, witnessed by his own words proving he is a biblical fraud.

The words that fall from his lips are not gold. Anyone would be a fool to believe otherwise.

Marc Cebrian

See: Fool's Gold