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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
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A recurring criticism of this blog (and all of the other blogs which are critical of the Armstrong Churches of God) is that the criticisms voiced here (and elsewhere) are evil and inappropriate. Banned by HWA recently highlighted a good example of this in a post titled You have been WARNED about this blog! The commentator noted: "The continuation of verbal attack and condemnation of the Church of God or any group for that matter, is biblically unsound, sinful and destructive." Never mind that the ACOGs continually criticize Roman Catholics, Protestants, and other faiths - they completely miss the irony inherent in this! More importantly, however, was this a valid criticism of our criticisms? Are such criticisms biblically unsound? Are they sinful and destructive? And, once again, if the answers to those questions are "yes," then what does that suggest about their own criticisms of other folks?
First, it should be noted that the founder of Christianity, Jesus of Nazareth, was continually criticizing the religious leaders of his day! Hence, it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that the practice is not biblically sound. What kind of criticism did Christ level at the religious leaders of his day? He criticized their hypocrisy, inconsistency, emphasis/priorities, pride, leadership style (especially their tendency toward authoritarianism vs. leading by example), and their interpretations of the Torah and God's will (See Matthew 23 and Luke 11), Now that covers a whole lot of territory! Do you recognize any of those same themes/criticisms in the posts that have been critical of the ACOGs and their leadership?
Even so, it should be noted that Jesus NEVER personalized his criticisms of the religious leaders and practices of his day! The Gospels simply do not contain ANY instances where Jesus made derogatory remarks about the personal appearance, speaking, moral character, or educational backgrounds of the folks he criticized. In short, Christ's criticisms always focused on the teachings and examples of the people who were the targets of his remarks. To be clear, Christ's criticisms were NOT personal attacks, and the characterization of criticism as such is discredited by the way that Christ handled these situations. Moreover, as Scripture indicates that Christ lived a sinless life, we must also conclude that criticism of this nature cannot be inherently evil!
Finally, unlike the "Accuser of the brethren" (Satan the Devil) whom ACOG folks are so fond of comparing us to, most of our criticisms of these folks are motivated by a desire to correct destructive behaviors and teachings - NOT to spiritually destroy the target! In other words, we are attempting to point out heretical beliefs and practices for the purpose of helping others to avoid or escape them. Hence, I would suggest that the ACOGs and their leaders heed this admonition found in the book of Proverbs in assessing their reactions to our criticisms: "If you listen to constructive criticism, you will be at home among the wise. If you reject discipline, you only harm yourself; but if you listen to correction, you grow in understanding. Fear of the LORD teaches wisdom; humility precedes honor." (Proverbs 15:31-33)
This one sentence from the posting in Member Services on Friday sets up the Sabbath messages:
Please note that Mr. Pack is going to give one more message on the Sabbath—perhaps the most fascinating one of his life!
I endure the anguish of listening and paying attention to him, so you do not have to. After listening carefully to both parts, I can state that CAD was “over-selling” for sure.
David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God drowned the Headquarters congregation with words for 2 hours and 47 minutes on the Sabbath of October 1. “The Greatest Unending Story!” Part 395 and Part 396 illustrated that the depths of desperation have no bottom.
Once again, God is blamed for why “we” can never get it right, seven years running. Technically, serious errors have occurred since 2013, but we can let that slide for today.
Spoiler Alert for Skimmers:
1) The new new new new new new new new new new date is Thursday, October 6 at 11:18am eastern. This is 10 days before The Last Great Day.
2) God intentionally blinded His end-time apostle and Elijah-to-be. This means all the Headquarters “ministers” were blind. This means all the brethren inside RCG were also blind.
3) The Chinese are “horrifically evil” people.
Repeating theme: Dave fails, and it is God’s fault. “Under thy bus, I cast thee!”
Part 395
@ 01:03 I could not have dreamed that there could be so much that would come so clear and become so easy, so fast, so close to the end. But that's what happened.
It is always clear and easy after it is too late, just like looking both ways after you get into a car wreck.
Dave uses the story in John 13 to show how the disciples were blinded so they could not see Judas betraying Jesus Christ at the Passover meal. He dips the sop and hands it to Judas. Satan enters him, and he leaves. The men at the table are confused as to what is going on.
In the same way, God intentionally blinded Dave so he could not see when God's Kingdom(s) would arrive. Well, until now. Now is the time to believe him, folks.
@ 06:18 That is astonishing blindness.
@ 06:48 Until God is ready to show you something, you cannot see it. I don’t care who you are.
@ 07:39 We were looking at Trumpets. For quite a while, actually. We were staring at Trumpets before that, Elul 15.
He cuts himself a little slack by neglecting to mention the “blindness” extended back into Av, and Tammuz, and Sivan, and Iyar, and Nisan of this year.
@ 07:47 What were we looking at regarding Trumpets that was wrong? Not just wrong. All wrong. It seemed so obvious that it was Trumpets.
@ 08:16 Here’s the problem:it wasn't Trumpets, and it's not too late.And I’m gonna show you as plain as handing a sop…
Nothing builds up faith in the God we all serve, like knowing He blinded the leader of the one true church. The god that Dave preaches knowingly let him and RCG struggle for years. Forget about all the heartfelt prayers, fasting, and pleading to know the truth about the coming Kingdom. Nope. You're blind. I’m not ready. Suck it, Dave. — That is his god. That is not my God.
Dave examines the WHAT behind John 13 but never once considers the WHY. That is what is fascinating about his new angle. He sees the disciples were blinded to Jesus Christ identifying His betrayer right at the table but never answers the most crucial question: Why did God do that? Why were the disciples temporarily blinded?
The answer is Sunday-school simple: He needed them to be blind so that the scriptures could be fulfilled. Judas had to betray the Son of God, who had to die for our sins. If the disciples had been aware, they could have gotten involved and stopped it. The recording of events is for those after it was already done and not for those present.
That blindness in John 13 was a unique means to an end. It is not how the true God normally operates with His people. He struck the Syrian army with physical blindness so that Elisha could lead them into Jerusalem. He struck Elymas with blindness as he was trying to thwart Paul.
The temporary occurrence in John 13 was specific-or-the-scriptures-break blindness. It did not last years, and Dave also fails to “see” that.
@ 08:55 So, people can’t see themselves or actions in front of them.
I will let you in on a little secret. I fully believe that David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God has been stricken with blindness. Spiritual blindness. Mental blindness. And it has not yet been lifted despite what he thinks. He will begin to catch up with that on Friday morning.
@ 10:28 But as soon as Trumpets was over, I immediately knew we had to reinflate the 10 days. I knew it. Immediately. And you can’t doctor the number…You know, we looked at 30 days. We looked at 21, 15, 10, 7, 3 ½, and, as I said, even one long day. It came clear that the Bible number was 10. It was 10.
He does a redux of his redux by returning to a series of That Day(s) being 10 separate days, not one super-compressed into Trumpets. Let the past go, brethren. It will only confuse us. This is the Present Truth.
@ 13:27 So, that gave me five days to go back to the drawing board.What did we miss? We’re not goin’ another year. I said to myself.I’m not here to foretell the year.But I’m gonna absolutely tell you when the 10 days are. And you won’t doubt it. I’m gonna drown you in proof.
By the end of the message, he foretells the year. Do not read ahead. Okay. It is this year.
He admitted that nothing happened on Monday like “we” thought.
@ 14:02 Now, I could just, you know, get in a snit or curl up in a fetal position and give up and say, “That’s wrong.” Or just attack it and stay with it and see, “What was I missing in plain sight? How come I can’t see the sop handed to who got it?”
It is far easier and far more acceptable to believe that the God of the universe intentionally blinded David C. Pack and all the “ministers” at Headquarters rather than just being wrong. Rather than he is a biblical fraud and a prophetic fraud. Instead of facing the cold, hard truth of these matters, he points his finger at God and says, "You did this to me!"
@ 35:01 So then, if all of what I’ve covered so far is true, and you will learn overwhelming proof that it is, I’ll say it again, then counting forward 10 days from soon after Atonement…yields the Last Great Day.
@ 58:58 It’s the start of the 12th [of Tishrei], Jerusalem time. About 11:20 this Thursday morning. That’s just math. It's not me saying anything. It's just math. I can count to 10.And I understand this day.
Now that a 10-day Kingdom is back on the menu and Trumpets is passed, go to the Last Great Day and count back 10 days while reckoning with Jerusalem time.
Thursday, October 6 at 11:18am eastern.
It is interesting how way back on Monday, Dave poo-pooed the idea of reckoning to Jerusalem time because the inhabitants were so wicked. Maybe they cleaned up their act since then because he seems fine with it now.
He is fine with a number being literal until he needs it to be approximate or a day-for-a-year. The Bible can be broken down and rebuilt like Legos based on need.
Such are the ways of David C. Pack, Pastor General and Professional Blasphemer of The Restored Church of Another god.
@ 35:59 We’ve suspicioned the Last Great Day for four years. But we saw it as the First Kingdom.
Whether he thought it was the 1st, 2nd, or the 25th Kingdom, it does not matter. He was wrong. And he will be wrong again on Thursday. Knowing which Kingdom of God arrives precisely when is not tied to salvation.
God will do what God will do. He is not sitting in heaven tapping His feet, waiting for David C. Pack to get it right so He can move forward with the rest of His plan for all humankind. If He were waiting, we would be doomed, and God should just wipe Creation clean to start over. This was not the right guy to put all the chips on.
@ 38:42 I’m gonna show you it’s impossible that this is wrong. If it’s wrong, it’s only because we have the wrong year.Believe me, and you’ll agree long before I get through about 66 proofs here.
“I see,” says the blind man.
@ 1:00:56 You can't get out of Tishrei because you got to be right after the harvest, and summer is in play.
Remember this for when he switches to winter in a few weeks.
In a fantastic display of ironic blindness, Dave warns the members of RCG about false teachers.
@ 1:20:41 When would false teachers do the most damage to the saints?…
@ 1:20:55 Bad guys. Don’t follow them ‘cause they’re gonna be saying the time draws near. Now, we know the time is 10 days away…Christ said, “Do not follow them…” And He said they’ll be false Christs and false prophets. Doing great signs and wonders.
Do not follow David C. Pack of The Restored Church of Another god. He is a false teacher. Jesus Christ warned you about him. God intentionally blinded him and all the “ministers” at Headquarters. Listen to what the man is telling you!
When Dave starts doing miracles, it may be too late to clear out.
@ 1:43:57 And if it doesn’t happen, there’s not a chance, none, zero, and I’ve got more evidence, there’s not any chance it’s this year. Unless you want to doctor the 10 days and take authority to either dismiss it or make it historical or whatever. Or change the Last Great Day. I’m telling you, it’s locked.
Dave did “doctor the 10 days and took authority” previously. He is speaking from experience. It can be done.
@ 1:48:04 We are not seeking the 1335.A hundred billion people will be…And until that’s clear, Daniel isn’t completely unsealed. You gotta get that straight. That’s a big deal.
To the nimrods who believed Dave when he repeated that the church was in the midst of the 1335: “Ha ha ha! You thought blessings and/or salvation were coming to you when the 1335 started. Nope. I never intended that. I blinded my servant so well that he went off the deep end of the presumption circus. Stupid!" That is the god Dave serves.
He throws a hissy fit about those who have left RCG. Those who figured out his biblical scam. Those that read about this scenario in their Bibles.
@ 1:49:09 Some people wouldn’t stay here. I wanted to say, “You wanna leave? Why don’t you come up here and see how hard this is?” All you gotta do is sit there and shut up and learn. And escape.
Hear that everyone still inside RCG? Your Pastor General is telling you clearly: Sit there and shut up.
@1:49:19 No. No. No, it's taking too long. They needed patience, and they didn't have it. All seven years of the knowledge had to be earned. You had to stay with it and keep the word of Christ's patience. Can't fathom another year.
Hold on. If you admitted you have been blind for seven years, how can you be upset at those who discerned that and left? Patience has nothing to do with enduring false doctrines. You just walked back the 1335 and Trumpets. You barely scratched the surface of your false teachings due to the blindness God placed upon you.
A critical thinker might ask: How do you know you are no longer blind? If you were sure about Tammuz and Av and Elul and Trumpets, how can you be sure about anything? If God blinded you and the entire Headquarters ministry, what else are you still blind to?
Stepford Prime used to ask those types of questions. But no longer. He needs to be a good little robot because that ladder will not climb itself.
People do not leave RCG because "it is taking too long." They go because the corporate sheepfold has been captured. God is not leading the “ministers” of RCG. God is not leading David C. Pack.
He is blind and wandering in the biblical wilderness with his divining rod, hoping to strike prophetic water. The people who count on him will be sorely disappointed on Friday. Again. But they should be used to that by now.
It is hard to tell if he is more upset because some people could lose out on salvation or…ha ha ha. Just kidding. The loss of income is still a sore topic. If those people had not left, maybe the Hartman Road house would still be under his control.
After the meal, Dave was super-excited to give Part 396 and share something “the church never knew” and spent 40 minutes explaining how Leviathan is Satan. It is too bad he never learned how to use a computer and has bragged how he has never even turned one on because a search on the interwebs would have revealed this:
Even the Catholics wrote about this topic. Not to be outdone, he exercised his superior biblical knowledge by explaining that the devil can swim. To be fair, it took him 20 minutes to work up to that one.
@ 32:40 No one’s ever heard this before. Not not in my lifetime. The church of the last hundred years never knew that Leviathan was the devil because we never connected the dots.
The Google also disagrees alongside the Bing.
Wow. Forty needless minutes on this topic. Turn on a computer, Dave. It is like a library but on a single machine. A dump truck of information. The Coffee Kid will show you how it works.
@ 55:56 So then, if the Kingdom does not come on Thursday, I see no way it can be this year. I just don’t. It’s just you’re out of time. Or you have to blow up everything. All those fine-tuned metrics…all of that blows up, and so, I believe this is the end of the line. Has to be.
And blow up everything you will because this is not the end of the line. Not by a long shot. It cannot be. David C. Pack is a blind false apostle, a blind false prophet, and God is not leading him.
This following quote is something I would have pushed to be removed before it went out to the church, but nobody edits David C. Pack these days. His point is that Satan is a dragon, and the Chinese people revere it as a symbol. (The dragon, not Satan.)
@ 27:50 How come China worships, all through their history, the dragon…Long been the most important symbol of power in China. China is, in many ways, is a horrifically evil people.
Watch it for yourself. It has already been posted on social media.
You will have to forgive Dave. He was raised in a generation that would typically call Chinese people Orientals. There have been “horrifically evil people” in many countries throughout history, but that does not serve his purpose today.
Part 395
@ 1:44:18 And there’s liable to be because we have evil people among us, one or two. It’s all you need. This’ll get out. There gonna be some persecution. Might be a little tough.
Quoting Dave back at himself is “persecution.” Those still attending RCG who see Dave for what he really is are “evil.” Victim much?
What a whiny little girl he can sometimes be. Arrogance has never been so insecure. Facts, history, and the dictionary are taking their toll on “this ole shepherd.”
Friday morning will be "a little tough" at the Hall of Administration here in Wadsworth. Dave, the Coffee Kid, and the Meat Shield will have to lock themselves inside the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium with the shades drawn so they can stare at bowls of water to interpret the visions “god” wants them to vomit next on the people of RCG.
I have my own bowl, but it is filled with Froot Loops. It told me that Dave will reset the clock so that it all STARTS on the Last Great Day, not 10 days before. Then, when nothing occurs on the Last Great Day, he will say it will start 10 days AFTER. It does not take a non-prophet/non-psychic to see this.
During this “final message,” Dave could not pass up the opportunity to push Common.
@ 56:55 Finish strong. Still sell all. Some are still doing that. That’s great to see. Sell all.
He is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked. The more Common that is sent in, the more increased with goods he becomes.
To all those who gave Common recently, gaze upon the fruit of your doings.
Giving up a home connected to the Campus must have been like exacting a pound of flesh. These trees went in this week, so Dave does not have to weep when he walks in view of the Hartman Road property he sold just for $280,000.
When he fails again on Thursday, what other excuses will he find in the scriptures? Will he next be biblically deaf? I am crossing my fingers for him to utter, “God made me dumb.” That would cause Dennis to vibrate in his chair with excitement. Oh, the memes would write themselves.
Thursday will come and go as Trumpets came and went. David C. Pack is a blind man leading blind “ministers” leading a blind church. How much longer can this go on?
