The David C. Pack Tapes #30
“History Channel”
Continuing to dive into the posthumously gifted 16 hours of conversations that William H. Behrer, III, recorded of David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God has been a unique challenge. Due to the length and number of files, I opted to address the low-hanging fruit first by starting with the shortest ones.
There are already four recordings not worth reporting on. My goal is to only present the most noteworthy for the public interest. These recordings are educational by further piecing together the mosaic of who David C. Pack really is when the doors are closed. The unfiltered conversations provide a growing character study of a man who claims he is God’s Apostle and Elijah.
This may be a disappointment for some, but there is nothing illegal yet discovered or any “super wowzers” that would tantalize the casual non-COG reader. If anything illegal is revealed, the local authorities will be notified. If Mr. Behrer did not do that already, I doubt I would be able to, either.
But, for those who were in RCG and have dealt with David C. Pack, this will give you PTSD flashbacks. I have heard from multiple former ministers that this was how the man still operates privately, which these recordings will provide you with a taste of.
Two patterns have “more clarity” based on the seven files I have reviewed. These patterns were visible to the men at Headquarters but are now immortalized "on tape" for those who never met him so they can experience them for themselves.
1) Dave does not let people finish their thoughts because his words are more important.
He verbally steps over people so that they do not get to finish what they are saying. Dave had heard enough, and now, back to what was really important: What he had to say. Keep this in mind when you listen to all the recordings, and you will not be able to "un-hear" it.
2) Dave tells the men exactly what they should say or write because he knows how others will think and react in return. He has entire exchanges figured out before they happen.
Jim Habboush is not the only Meat Puppet at Headquarters. Throughout the years, all the ministers in The Restored Church of God have been spoon-fed words and given responses to responses because "all-knowing" Dave is a master at dissecting human thought in advance.
David C. Pack WANTED these conversations recorded so there would be a precise execution of his will. One man told me a story about how he got “a talking to” because he did NOT record a conversation and did not use the perfect words Dave had graciously provided.
The goal was met, but Dave was still unhappy that his exact words were not cloned. Why?
If a man is successful at a task and parrots Dave’s words, Dave could claim another victory due to his direct involvement. However, if that man had made his own choices and used his own approach, Dave could not place his flag on that hill. Every success at RCG must fly under Dave's banner to be valid.
Every "win" at Headquarters needs to originate with Dave’s superior counsel and not because of the skills and discernment of the men under him.
The men will get full credit for a task only when that task fails or is a disappointment. If something went wrong, it was the man’s fault for not following Dave’s instructions effectively. Or he is just incompetent. (Ministerial incompetence will be covered in Tape #34 next time.)
Tape #30 is a seven-minute discussion of how David C. Pack wants William H. Behrer, III, to respond to the request by Mr. Zwick at The History Channel for Dave’s involvement in “The Nostradamus Effect” program. They want to include him as one in an ensemble of interviews.
This transcript has been cleaned up to make it more intelligible. The stammering half-thoughts and repeated words would drive you nuts if you had to read them.
[Start]
DCP: Quickly. Bill's gonna respond to Zwick. History Channel. [Unknown] It's outta the question. You literally powerfully validate the crap they're gonna alright?
WHB: Right. Exactly.
DCP: If you use me as a set-up and you reduce me to that crap.
WHB: Yes.
DCP: So. Now here's the point. You gotta say that in the letter, and it's not really somewhere you have to be crude, but being very diplomatic, iddn't gonna get it done. This is not a time for extra diplomacy, Bill. It's a time for "just the facts, ma'am," Joe Friday.
You gotta tell him who I am and what I do. And just say, "Mr. Pack can't possibly lend his name to the kind of junk that others will utter on these subjects. Nobody understands the scope of what's coming. If you wanna understand the full scope, listen to his entire series or read his book, and you'll realize his voice is worth ten times all of them put together. Now, that's an arrogant statement. The problem is, it's true." And he'll either bite or he won't. If we don't say it and we just bow out, we don't want to be in. You gotta tell him why.
WHB: Yes.
DCP: And if he feels indicted, get over it. “Well, go ahead without us.” But there's an avenue. Let's see if we can keep this door open and make it a barn door. Not a side door. And if he says, "Okay, here we are." It's gotta be an interview. You could actually tell him, "If you wanna quote large portions of Mr. Pack, large portions, not even interview him, that's fine. But you've gotta let him be a big part of the answer. If you wanna let other people utter junk, Mr. Pack is happy to set up himself as the Anchor Response.
Do you understand? Or you can interview him. Or, if you want to, you can play most all of his broadcasts. He will actually give you permission to do that." It depends on which one they want to do. I read through all of them. The introductions to all twelve [Revelation – The World to Come]. I can see why he wants them. And they'd be wonderful. But they set up the truth, not falsehoods.
WHB: Right.
DCP: And you've gotta Bill, you gotta use words like, "You're gonna hear fiction from the mouths of people who are ignorant of what they're talking about." Here's what you do. You gotta impress him with our knowledge. They don't understand what happens when, as well as where and to whom. They can't understand the speed, sequence, and seriousness of prophecies because they don't understand the Bible interprets itself. That if a prophecy includes a symbol, Revelation is filled with them. Then God has to interpret the symbol. They just interpret it themself.
So, you know, at the end of the day, you've gotta write a pretty slam-bang deal here. Or they just have to go on without us. And I will never let myself be part of, you know…If they want me in, I'm in. And I wanna know how much they're going to use or they can't use me. But you've gotta act like we got something they want. "Mr. Pack's the foremost authority on prophecy in the world. He's read in every nation and territory of the world. Uncounted millions and millions of his books are out there. He's in demand. He's very selective." Say it. I mean—boom.
We know who prophecy says I am. We know who God says I am. The things I'm gonna have to do before it's over, I better be the top expert. Maybe that's ever lived. I believe. Can I just tell ya? There're are probably three things I do well in life. One is analyze. Two is swim. And the third one's, "I know prophecy." And I know that I know prophecy better than any man who has ever drawn breath on planet earth. I don't count Christ because He's--
WHB: No, I understand.
DCP: I know more than John or any of the prophets because Daniel, he didn't even understand his own book.
WHB: He thinks you're right.
DCP: And then, so, who would be in the running? Herbert Armstrong? Think what I've learned that he didn't know.So, you know what, Bill? Let's act like it. If people reject it, that's their problem.
WHB: Right. Absolutely.
DCP: They won't reject it for long. And soon enough, there'll be a profile. They'll realize, "I could have had that guy,"and then they'll come, and we'll absolutely own any…You know, Joel Osteen's going on Fox News Sunday with his wife. They want, you know, all those Jimmy Carter teeth, Mr. Ed, you know.
And at the end of the day, that's where they're gonna come here. If it's not now, that's okay. It's gonna come on our terms. But let's find out if anybody. Listen. You. "If Mr. Pack speaks with authority for a reason, he is an authority, and he knows he's an authority. It doesn't mean he's arrogant, but he's not gonna lend himself, please understand Mr. Zwick, he's not gonna lend himself to guys who are, frankly, gonna embarrass themselves but realize there's nobody at the History Channel who will know that they did." That's the kind of stuff you gotta utter. This is a longer letter.
WHB: Yes, sir. No, absolutely.
DCP: "So, Mr. Pack is available if you want him to be if you want him to anchor the thing."
WHB: Okay.
DCP: "He'll give you the highest ratings you've ever thought about. He'll scare your audience. But what's coming's gonna scare your audience. And if you're interested in truly educating your audience, which will give you high ratings, everybody'd be talking about it.
WHB: Right. And he was very quick to admit when he looked at the material that this was why he's in contact with you. Because it gripped--
DCP: At the beginning?
WHB: He's watched through four of them.
DCP: Four of them?
WHB: He watched through...four of them. Each of the YouTube clips on each of the Horsemen. That--
DCP: Part one?
WHB: Part one, yes.
DCP: All the part ones.
WHB: So, he said--
DCP: A lot of part ones were the set-up, even for part two and three. But the introduction set up each of the parts.
WHB: So he's aware of what you've said and everything.
DCP: Well, then, I don't know the guy, and he still wants to listen to--
WHB: Oh, no, we're gonna still say it, though. I think we need to be on record. I need to be. You're not saying this, anyway.
DCP: Yeah.
WHB: I'm saying it.
DCP: Yeah.
WHB: We need to be on record. You know, "I've spoken to Mr. Pack, and I was able to sit down with me today, and we finally been able to get together since I've been back and went over what you propose and [coughing], and I'll show that.” Yeah, absolutely.
[Unknown]
[End]
Dave appeared in Episode 9, “Satan’s Army,” which aired on November 10, 2009. None of his demands were met, but the bait was too tempting to pass up. All his tough talk with Mr. Behrer must not have penetrated beyond the walls. Though, if half these ideas made it to Mr. Zwick’s inbox, it gave him the best chuckle of the day.
The show is currently listed with a more woke-friendly title, “Nostradamus Effect: Cataclysmic End of Human History," on YouTube.
For being the “anchor” of the program, it was an odd editing choice to make the audience wait for 16-minutes before the younger, non-Elijahn Dave blessed them with his apostolic wisdom.
For the morbidly curious, this YouTube link will send you to his first appearance: https://youtu.be/0VQ2kuJPFNQ?t=968
If you dare watch the broadcast, do not blink or get up to fetch another beer because you could miss all his shining moments.
16:20 to 16:32 – 12 seconds
20:43 to 20:54 – 11 seconds
25:40 to 25:49 – 09 seconds
29:44 to 29:58 – 14 seconds
34:54 to 35:11 – 17 seconds
36:56 to 37:04 – 08 seconds
41:08 to 41:12 – 04 seconds
41:25 to 41:33 – 08 seconds
43:01 to 43:12 – 11 seconds
That is a grand total of 94 seconds. One minute and thirty-four seconds of Anchor Response Dave in a 45-minute program. How could they have done it without his vital input?
Mr. Zwick must have understood that Dave was best taken in tiny doses. Otherwise, if you give him the floor, he will presume your ears off for two and half hours.
Despite how they used him on the show, RCG felt proud enough to issue a Press Release that is still on the RCG website.
After listening to the meeting and watching the show, what was presented in that release written by Mr. Behrer is pretty laughable.
My favorite line is:
Commenting on his interview, Mr. Pack stated, “I bring a clear and different viewpoint to the program, and as a result my comments stand apart from the other voices presented.”
“…because I doodie in the toilet, not in my pants.” Okay, I added that last bit, but the point remains valid.
The press release quote is not an accurate representation of physical reality. His comments were used as a biblical book report. He provided the Cliff’s Notes for the Book of Revelation. His apostolic authority and keen insight were reduced to "This happens, and this happens, and this happens."
He may have been "clear," but his "different viewpoint" did not "stand apart” from the cacophony of other voices. And there is a legitimate reason for that.
David C. Pack did not understand the nature of the show, or he would have known the whole series did not focus on the opinions of a single person. The producers shotgunned ten different sources in each episode to present a broader narrative.
Coming from a 30-year production background, I could have warned Dave that nobody on earth can promise how much of an interview they will be able to use in the final product. You do not know what the interviewee will say. You do not know what other “experts” will say. There is a balance of who said what best and measuring it against their screen time.
If he wanted to be on more, he should have offered to grow his hair long and get lip and eyebrow piercings. But sadly, the role of Satan was already filled. However little he appeared in the show, his Participation Award is still pinned on the fridge at Headquarters.
In an ironic twist, had Dave been able to bless The History Channel with his “unique insight” in Episode 9, it would be a source of embarrassment today. Everything he used to teach about the Book of Revelation has been thrown out since.
This includes RCG literature and The World to Come programs that Dave wanted Mr. Zwick to watch. These have been scrubbed from all RCG platforms. This should scream to everyone that a David C. Pack teaching does not age well.
The Nostradamus Effect was written vaguely so they could be creative with the material without having to cite exact sources. Another ironic twist is that since that program aired, Dave has adopted the same language for when he preaches now. “The religious texts suggest…” “Some believe…” “…maybe…”
That kind of phrasing is known as a “proof” in RCG today.
While the entire seven minutes is a character study, a few quotes are worth repeating. Keep in mind that none of Dave’s preconditions were met. NONE.
“You gotta tell him who I am…‘Mr. Pack can't possibly lend his name
to the kind of junk that others will utter on these subjects.’”
“…you've gotta write a pretty slam-bang deal here.
Or they just have to go on without us.
And I will never let myself be part of…”
The History Channel featured a verified false prophet, false apostle, and biblical fraud on their program about what the devil will do in the Last Days. Mr. Behrer really did tell them who he was.
It WAS possible to lend his name because his 94-seconds of junk fit in nicely with the rest of the junk. He got nothing he wanted, but he still did it. Of course, he was going to say “Pretty please” but wanted to play hard-to-get. Getting Dave did not turn out to be that hard.
“‘He's in demand. He's very selective.’”
David C. Pack has never been in demand by anyone. Not then and not now. Not ever. Nor did he prove himself to be “selective.” Especially during this one and only time he was asked to participate in anything outside of RCG. Maybe after having thirteen more years of obscurity under his belt, he would now be available for a Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce ribbon-cutting ceremony downtown.
He would bite on ANYTHING offered to him today. Dr. Timothy D. Ranney is waiting to accept your call at (330) 334-2266. If you accidentally ask to speak with a minister who is not compromised, you will be sent directly to voicemail.
“And I know that I know prophecy better than any man
who has ever drawn breath on planet earth.
I don't count Christ…”
This is before self-becoming Elijah. And That Prophet. And The Greatest Nonsense Ever Told! Series. How could he measure such a claim way back then when all the current-day proofs were not yet available?
Consistently failing for seven years running is a perfect indicator of “I know prophecy better” than a fortune cookie. Wait, I take that back. Fortune cookies laugh at Dave. Even without counting that 2013 indiscretion.
“‘…he is an authority, and he knows he's an authority.
It doesn't mean he's arrogant…’”
There is something uniquely arrogant about a man telling someone else to tell someone else how not-arrogant that arrogant man is. That is some next-level meta-arrogance.
“‘He'll give you the highest ratings you've ever thought about…
everybody'd be talking about it.’”
Granted, Dave did not get used in the way he wanted, and The History Channel wisely did not acknowledge the greatness they were sliding past in the hallway. But, if what Dave said was true, The World to Come program on YouTube and worldtocome.org would have been wildly popular. Some episodes gained significant views for a “tiny little church in Ohio,” but even David C. Pack abandoned that flagship format five years ago.
Just ask: If the content is not of interest to the creator, why should it be of interest to the audience?
Flash forward thirteen years, and Dave is still struggling to gain legitimacy and notoriety. He torpedoed any possibility of biblical legitimacy a long time ago. But, oh boy, is his name getting noticed these days. But not in the way he wants. ;)
Thanks to Mr. Behrer, thirteen years after this conversation was recorded…I’m talking about him. And you are reading about him. Please share with your friends so we can give David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God all the “highest ratings” he can stand.
Are you paying attention, Raymond?
Marc Cebrian
