Sunday, November 5, 2023

Trust Us! We Have The Sure Word of Prophecy!



For close to eight decades, Armstrongism has been looking backward to the Scriptures where they think they can find scriptures that supposedly fit current world events going on around them. Given that their entire scriptural background is focused on the Old Testament, far too many groups are not comfortable replacing the fear factor they have found in the Old Testament with reliance upon Jesus so that no matter what happens, their confidence in salvation is assured.

Armstrongism has been watching world events for over eight decades now, confident that the world is going to blow up around them. For eight decades they have never gotten anything right. Yet, these same people think so highly of their selves and their messages that they believe they will be whisked off to Petra to be trained for 3 1/2 years in some final training done by whoever their current guru is. Imagine 3 1/2 years listening to Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, or Gerald Flurry imposing their draconian warped values on their followers. What an absolute hell that will be.

Right in the middle of that rat pack are Doug Winnail and Gerald Weston struggling to keep their members whipped into a frenzy of end-time scenarios they see spinning out of control around them.

Each and every one of them claims to have the sure word of prophecy. They love to quote:

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.” 2 Peter 1:19.

Yet they quickly overlook the following scripture that holds them accountable for the junk they say:

“Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come. Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.” Isaiah 41:22, 23. 

Matthew 7:15-20 KJV

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Scripture challenges the bloviating fools to prove to us they know what they are talking about. So far the track record of prophets in the Church of God movement is hitting a not so astounding ZERO! 

False prophets have littered the ground of the Worldwide Church of God/Armstrongist movement for over eight decades. Every one of them is a proven liar.

Matthew 7:20 says:


Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

The fruits of Church of God leaders have been found lacking. Their lives bear the fruit of their self-righteousness. Many are filled with lying, prideful, and greedy hearts and minds. They are deceptive in all their actions.

2 Peter 1:20 warns us about these lying men and their outlandish interpretations. None of these guys have any idea of what letting the Holy Spirit guide them would be like.

20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus, the greatest Prophet that ever lived, gave us a solemn warning against false prophets who would appear in these last days: 


“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24.

Armstrongism is infected with false prophets who lie and deceive the members under their supposed care. The Church of God does not have a single prophet in its midst as we come to the end of 2023. We certainly have a lot of liars and false ones though. 

I find it funny how certain COG groups get all huffy and defensive when they get accused of crying wolf. This is the United Church of God...

Anyway, back to Doug Winnail who wants you to believe that those in the leadership of the Living Church of God have the sure word of prophecy. 


Watch World Events! Jesus told His disciples to watch for the fulfillment of Bible prophecies that indicate the coming end of the age and His imminent return (Matthew 24:36–44). Yet, these same scriptures indicate many will be shocked and surprised because they have not been told what to watch for! This is why God has given His Church “a more sure word of prophecy” so the Church can function as a watchman to proclaim the real significance of specific world events (2 Peter 1:19–20, KJV; Ezekiel 3:17–20). The moral decay and declining influence of Israelite nations (Leviticus 26:14–17), the resurgence of militant Islam in the Middle East and other parts of the world (Daniel 11:40), the growing focus of the world on violence and turmoil in and around Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:2–3; 14:1–2), and the revival of a European power with links to ancient Rome—all point to end-time events outlined in Bible prophecies. We need to be watching, and we need to be ready so we are not caught by surprise.
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail

 

 

Saturday, November 4, 2023

Dave Pack: Like Jesus, I Teach Concepts Too Wonderful For Followers To Accept


Tall Tales

 

David C. Pack is well-known for his tall tales. That is a better way to encapsulate “The Greatest Unending Story!” Series since it began in 2015. It is an eight-year epic work of fiction comparable to the Iliad if Homer were arrogant, incompetent, highly repetitive, and predictable.

 

Are David C. Pack’s blasphemous fables comedy, tragedy, or just prophetic hentai?

 

One of his worst creative habits is to rewrite recorded history. Oh, if only the members of The Restored Church of God could just forget what he recently said. Life on the Campus would be so much easier.

 

Part 471 – September 30, 2023 (Day 1 of The Feast of Tabernacles)

@ 1:37:12 God may want us to delay 1-2-3 or more days.

@ 1:40:10 I won’t announce the day because I can’t. I don’t know.

@ 1:41:07 There is no question whatsoever that the Kingdom of God in power comes on the First Day of the Feast of Tabernacles. Period.

 

“The Greatest Unending Story (Part 477)” on October 28, 2023, had plenty of biblical gibberish to keep the brethren preoccupied.

 

Part 477 – October 28, 2023

@ 1:13:51 It’s kind of a hint to us that we’ve got that right. We’ve got it right.

@ 1:14:44 God maybe appears to answer the question but doesn't. But He doesn't say He doesn't.

@ 1:20:13 I understand it now in a way I never did.

@ 39:34 I told you I’d name the Three Shepherds. I already did…I don’t know two of them.

 

The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God exercises all the faults of his limp-wristed, spastic COG contemporaries while claiming the throne as the chief village idiot who maintains his statue as the self-appointed emperor prancing about in his new clothes.

 

The chip in his skull has been permanently set to Read Only, whereas all other humans are able to Write. David C. Pack will not learn from past mistakes. And why would he? There is no accountability for him in The Restored Church of God, and he loves to have it so.

 

He has surrounded himself with the most weak-minded, cowardly, opportunistic, and worthless hirelings money can buy. Bradford Schleifer, Ryan Denee, and Jaco Viljoen are only the tips of the iceberg. By the time you get to the passive rubbery mollusks like Robert Knightley and Richard Lee, you have reached the bottom of the RCG barrel.

 

Non-critical thinking enthusiasts like Edward Winkfield have one thing in common with sincere-but-sincerely-wrong enablers like Louis Grey: David C. Pack gets a perpetual Pass despite all the clear warnings the Bible contains about false prophets, false apostles, and false teachers.

 

The Kingdom of God did not arrive on Cheshvan 20, November 4, 2023. Surely, everything is still right on track across the street. That narrative is a tall tale.

 

 

Fiction crosses into a lie when the story is presented as fact instead of fantasy. Not only are the brethren tricked by David C. Pack's verbal sorcery, but the illusion is so convincing that he almost believes it himself.

 

@ 1:43:46 He rushes to call it out, and the man seems to know he gave his last message. This is very helpful. And you wait. He knows it, and everybody else knows it. And he knows the Mystery of God is ended. He knows he’s made it plain. He knows he’s prepared the way. He knows he’s finished his charge. He’s done. One of the problems is when were we ever gonna be done? 

 

David C. Pack was not done with Part 477. At this very minute, he is preparing his notes for today’s story time.

 

@ 1:44:08 The answer is: when we would learn these final, exquisite details. Now, I’m just gonna tell you I’d hafta know. I’d hafta know I was done. I'm telling you, there is nothing left. The cupboard is bare. The cookie jar doesn’t even have any crumbs in it from which I could give a sermonette. I would if I had to.

 

He has to. Part 478 is as much a certainty as Part 500. Speaking otherwise is merely a composition of imagination bereft of believability.

 

 

What you are about to read is a desperate tall tale presented with biblical cosplay.



@ 45:12 Now, I want to tell you a story at this point, which is kind of interesting. It's a story about the Restored Church of God, and it parallels John the Baptist preparing for Christ.

 

David C. Pack spends six minutes fabricating associations where none exist. John the Baptist was prophesied to fulfill his role. He was genetically related to Jesus Christ. He had the Holy Spirit while in the womb. His mother’s pregnancy and his birth were surrounded by miracles. John audibly heard the voice of God, received direct instructions, and saw the Holy Spirit.

 

David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God have none of that, but he insists on indulging in his presumption fantasies, proving every word by talking until it is true.

 

@ 45:54 So Christ started out, we might say, with an enormous bang…Massive throngs.

@ 46:25 He would go into a village and heal the entire village. Now, John didn't do any miracles. Not one, not one.

@ 46:40 But Christ did endless miracles. All kinds of things. Yet there was this interesting moment in John 6…

 

Dave is about to make a direct parallel between Jesus Christ teaching His followers must eat His flesh and drink His blood…and The Greatest Untold Story! Series.

 

@ 47:21 “From that time, many of his disciples went back and walked with him no more.” No more with Him. They just walked away. Now, they saw all these miracles, and they walked away. I've watched people walk away from the church. They saw miracles. By the time Christ was crucified and at the end of 40 days of working with his disciples, 119 people are the sum total of those who were still with Him.

 

Jesus Christ and David C. Pack were teaching concepts too wonderful for followers to accept.

 

@ 47:59 Great numbers saw Him, but only 119 were still there. 120 minus Judas. So what happened to everybody? In some ways, that's the story of The Restored Church of God.

 

You have to laugh out loud. That is so incredibly NOT the story of The Restored Church of God.

 

@ 48:15 We were booming along for about 15 years. I mean, 20% growth. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I have the numbers. Couple years we hit 30% and 25%, and then a couple times we were 15% or 17%. Whatever it may have been. But I mean 20%.

 

A complete disconnect from reality in 3…2…1…

 

@ 48:33 And then, Mr. Pack started talking about the plan of God. And we leveled off.

 

A week earlier, Dave reimagined what the Series was actually about. It took him eight years to discern that, but now he can rewrite history and alter the talking points as if that was the understanding from the beginning.

 

The first nine parts focused on the Third Temple in Jerusalem being built. Later, we were taught the temple would come down from heaven and rest on the Campus in Wadsworth. This was the nefarious reason behind science fiction movies having aliens invading. It was Satan’s way of mentally conditioning the masses to reject God’s arrival and see Him as an enemy.

 

Part 8 is when Elijah became That Prophet. The “rigid doctrine” doctrine was from Part 17. The New Heavens and New Earth were Part 20. The Man of Sin took center stage in Part 31. Revelation Sorcerers were the subject of Part 36. Part 50 addressed the political elections and the role of the Campus as a “city set on a hill.”

 

For further context of how long concepts have dragged along, on January 15, 2020, Part 229 was subtitled “Our Final Sabbath.” You get the idea.

 

@ 48:38 And people were learning things they never knew.

 

They never knew it because it was not true. A majority of what was taught during the Series has been rejected by David C. Pack himself. What people were learning was nonsense-stuffed malarkey.

 

 

A critical takeaway from this concept is that growth in RCG was once a fruit of God's blessing. The open letter to all the WCG Splinters titled “RCG Fruits—Obvious Fingerprints of God!” in January 2012 trumpeted that.

 

You can download a PDF HERE.

 

Last year I wrote, “Almost none of the organizations (large or small) that formed from the Worldwide Church of God in the wake of the apostasy are growing. In fact, many, or even most, are declining in size, as well as in virtually all standard categories of measurement. Literally thousands are wondering where to go—what to do. While some don’t care, others do care about the fruits and doctrines of an organization—and would seek to prove them. These brethren would be examining the opinions, looking for GOD’S FINGERPRINTS in an organization. They realize that these tell-tale signs would be visibly obvious to those looking for them!”

 

Dave must have gotten wiser in his old age because, as of Part 477, he no longer believes what he distributed publicly in 2012.

 

I also wrote last year, “Growth is the greatest indicator of fruit. Each separate category demonstrating growth forms another fruit one can measure. In this regard, The Restored Church of God is without peer in every category of measurement! This is in addition to being the only Church that teaches without compromise the exact same doctrinal truths taught by Herbert W. Armstrong in the WCG until his death in 1986.” It is still true that we teach EVERYTHING Mr. Armstrong taught—no exceptions! Therefore, it is still true that we are being blessed as a result.

 

Dooh!

 

Wow, that content did not age well. Not only is RCG in decline, but David C. Pack has walked away from dozens of WCG teachings he promised to uphold when he founded his splinter in 1999.

 

But, on the bright side, he wins no matter what happens to the RCG spreadsheets. Nestor Toro and Brian Jackson now have more manipulation tools in their gaslighting bag of tricks to ward off the fiery darts of uncomfortable questions from their congregation.

 

If RCG grows, it is a fruit of God’s blessings.

 

If RCG shrinks, it parallels Christ's ministry, which fits the Bible pattern.

 

There is no longer a downside to people leaving or income crashing. Is that some great position or what?

 

Now, it is impossible for brethren to ever again discern if something happening in RCG is God's blessing or curse. How that is perceived will be determined by which angle of the tall tale Dave decides to spin it. No matter where the dice lands on the board, the turn will forever be in his favor.

 

 

@ 48:41 But this one that God calls a refiner's fire and fuller soap and a poker started poking people.

 

David C. Pack started poking people with failed dates for the return of Jesus Christ. He started diminishing the presence of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament and replaced Him with himself.

 

@ 48:49 They're learning exciting things. “Wow, look at that.” But we leveled off…but as the worse the world got, the more our young people said, “I want the devil's world.”

 

Dave has a very warped sense of reality and is proving his self-delusion with this entire concept.

 

The young people in The Restored Church of God consistently prove to be wiser than their parents. They bail out because they refuse to ignore the obvious lies from the ministry, and their calendars mark just as well as anyone else.

 

Jesus Christ did not bring the Kingdom of God this morning. The young people are not eager for the devil's world. They just have no tolerance for hypocrisy and biblical fraud from a false prophet. But Dave cannot see it that way. The bad news is always someone else’s fault.

 

@ 49:01 So, we went flat, and we've been flat pretty much ever since. I'm thankful we're not down to 119 people. But if we were, would you be one of them? I didn't do any miracles, and I'm far from being [chuckles] like Christ.

 

As noted in RCG’s Flat-World Theory, flat is just code for a decline in denial.

 

He chuckled right there because his lying lips say he is far from being like Christ, yet his heart has continually made efforts to remove the titles of Jesus Christ and give them to himself. He inches his way closer and closer to being like Christ and not in the “building character” department.

 

David C. Pack is That Prophet, The Branch, The Messenger of the Covenant, the Shepherd and Stone of Israel, the Star of Jacob, one like the Son of Man, and one last Lawgiver. And those are not all of them.

 

@ 49:52 So, that's quite a story about us. It's almost like when it really got exciting, but people had to meet standards.

 

Pause.

 

There have been standards in the church since the 1940s. Standards have nothing to do with why people leave. The ridiculous, unbiblical rules in the Ministerial Manual did not shift starting in 2015.

 

When things really got exciting, nothing happened on Elul 24 in 2013. The “Night Watch” on Ester's Fast in 2019 had nothing to do with standards. Neither was the “Jesus Christ Returns on Christmas” that annually appears. Passover, Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Trumpets, Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles, and the Last Great Day all had their time in the sun as impossible to be anything else.

 

RCG brethren are ever-preparing for more exciting events in Tammuz, Elul, Tishrei, Cheshvan, Kislev, Tevet, Abib, Av, Shevat, Iyar, and Sivan.

 

David C. Pack cannot see his own faults and change because of them. He sets a date, but it fails; he makes excuses and finds another one. That is the RCG story. But people leave because they do not like the standards? Puh-lease. Is anyone buying that tall tale?

 

@ 50:17 People kept quitting. Quitting now? Are you insane? The answer is Yes. Yes, they are.

 

It does not appear so insane here on Cheshvan 20, though.

 

@ 50:50 So, once we got into the refining for this tiny group that was gonna go first and lead a hundred billion people. Had to get hot…But we had a period where it was it's been hot. It's hot in the world now, but I mean, it's been fairly hot for us.

 

It is unclear what Dave is referring to about things being “fairly hot” in RCG. Undoubtedly, the ineffective little website nobody knows about called exrcg.org has absolutely zero impact on their numbers or reputation. At least Brad Schleifer is sleeping easier now that he no longer reads this blog.

 

My educated guess about what is “hot” for Dave would be around financial circumstances. With interest rates so high now, refinancing endlessly as in years past is no longer an option. Carl Houk must get even more creative with juggling the growing money issues as attendance declines. Oh, excuse me, is flat.

 

@ 51:17 I don't think we have any more time. I think you know enough about prophecy to know we don't.

 

When Part 478 starts moments from now at Headquarters, David C. Pack will be pleased to announce we all have more time because he now knows even more about prophecy. He thought he understood, but now he does. Not to worry, everything is fine.

 

@ 51:33 We've seen refining at in the most extraordinary things. I mean, you know, you tell people that they've gotta sell all, some do. Others say, “No, can't, can't do that.”

 

And there it is. The money angle. You cannot have an end of days without one last cash grab that would prove to be irrelevant if anything Dave ever said came true. It never hurts to ask for the money even if you never have time to spend it. After all, giving Common benefits the brethren for the sake of their salvation, not Dave. It does not go to him. Remember, it goes to the church.

 

 

 @ 51:49 Now, I wanna give more proofs of Cheshvan 1.

 

Now, THAT is the true story of The Restored Church of God, and it parallels Bible warnings about false prophets, false teachers, wolves, hirelings, and angels of light, which is a veritable roster of players at Headquarters.

 

The story of The Restored Church of God is a cautionary tall tale of biblical fraud, manipulation, mind control, fear-mongering, hypocrisy, blasphemy, lies, and deceit. The tall tale is that David C. Pack is led by God to end the Mystery of God and prepare a people for the coming of the Lord.

 

Truth is stranger than fiction. David C. Pack teaches fiction, and that is the truth.


Marc Cebrian

See: Tall Tales

The King of Deception Warns His Followers To Not Be Deceived

 


One thing you can say for sure about the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel is that he is great at exposing his own hypocrisy and gaslighting members. Apparently, his followers are stupid enough to be deceived and swallow lies, as he claims. 

Never have we had a church leader lie as much about his dreams and other fantasies that he uses to claim legitimacy as a splinter group leader. Well, except for Dave Pack, who is the right-hand man of the father of lies.

Th Great Bwama Bob Mzungu says:

Jesus taught that Satan was a liar and the father of lies:

44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it (John 8:44)

Of course, Satan takes advantage of deception and encourages humans to deceive themselves. Recall what happened to Eve:

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (1 Timothy 2:14)

6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. (Genesis 3:6)

Satan was involved, but the woman allowed herself to be deceived. This type of deception happens every day.

But what about Christians? Can Christians fall victim to self-deception?

Jesus warned that most Christians in the end times would be deceived:

14 “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,

‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: 15 “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’ — and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked — 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. (Revelation 3:14-19)

Although most Laodiceans do not believe that they are deceiving themselves, Jesus said that they are. Jesus said that Laodicean Christians need to repent–they need to change. They should not let pride get in their way.


 

He even preached a flappy-arm sermon on the subject: 

‘The Atlantic’ ran an article titled “Quit Lying to Yourself.’ It explained that this was not good and does not lead to happiness. The BBC ran an article about dangers of self-deception. The Bible warns about lies, self-deception, and pride. Does the New Testament warn that Christians can be deceived? What did Jesus say was the truth? What did Jesus tell end-time Laodicean Christians to do? Dr. Thiel addresses these issues and more in this video.