Thursday, August 8, 2024

Bible Talk: Could Jesus Have Sinned?

 




Could Jesus Have Sinned? (Of Course Not!)


I first heard the question, “Could Jesus have sinned?” in the early 1990s. The leadership of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) was making the point that Jesus was never tempted to sin, but rather was tested.

According to the popular usage of these words, they were absolutely right. Jesus did not endure temptation in the sense of resisting a strong urge to sin and only succeeding by the skin of his teeth.

But the old guard of COG doctrine vociferously objected. The voices that eventually caught my ear — like those of Garner Ted Armstrong and CGI pastors Bill Watson and Wayne Hendrix — would quote Hebrews 4:15, saying Jesus “was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin” (KJV).

And so they insisted, “If Jesus could not have sinned, then you have no Savior!

They believed as many COGers still do today — that Jesus' mission was the riskiest venture of all time. He might have sinned and all would have been lost forever, including God the Son himself! The stakes were high, but thankfully Jesus won the challenge.

At first I was sympathetic toward WCG's new position — that Jesus was “tested” but not “tempted.” It seemed to make sense. Yet, influenced by my associations, I eventually accepted the old view — that Jesus could have sinned, but didn't.

Now, I realize that this “old school” COG crowd was wrong — dreadfully wrong — because they didn't understand at least two things:

First, the fundamental Christian doctrine of who and what Jesus is — that Jesus is at once both fully God and fully man.

And second, how sin is committed.

The Real Jesus

We cannot correctly answer the question of whether Jesus could have sinned if we wrongly believe (as many within COGs seem to) that Jesus

  1. was God in the beginning
  2. stopped being God during his earthly life, and
  3. became God again at his Resurrection.

If God is eternal (no beginning and no end), then he cannot stop being God. That's what it means to be “eternal.” He can't be “eternal until he stops being eternal” — a contradiction of terms.

The Word (who became Jesus — John 1:1,14) always was, and always will be, God. But when he was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary, he took for himself an additional nature — a human nature. (By “human nature,” we don't mean in this context a proclivity to sin, but all the qualities that make us a member of the Homo sapiens family: body and spirit.)

Since his divine nature (that which makes him God) is eternal, then he can't stop being divine. Taking on an additional nature — a human nature with all that entails — does not change that. And so Jesus is often called the “God-Man,” which is a way of saying he is at once both God and man.

“But that doesn't add up!”

I've heard the objection that the math is all wrong if we say Jesus is fully God and fully man. If something is 100 percent one thing, then there's no room for it to be 100 percent something else, too. It doesn't add up — nothing can total 200 percent.

But there is no mathematical contradiction if we understand the difference between who someone is and what someone is.



What I am is distinct from who I am. The what of me is possessed by the who of me, not the other way around. (That's why I can speak of “my arm,” but not “an arm's me.”)

We have to realize that the Person of Jesus (who he is) is always and only divine. It's not 50-50 — he's not part divine Person, part human person. He is a divine Person, without qualification, 100 percent.

But the nature of Jesus (what he is) is twofold. He has a divine nature, and he has a human nature.


How sinning is done

I said earlier that the old guard of COG doctrine was wrong about Jesus being capable of sin because they didn't understand that Jesus is fully God and fully man. Now that we understand Jesus is one divine Person with two natures (human and divine), let's flesh that out.

How do we sin? Are we sinful merely because we have material bodies, with flesh and blood and bone? Or did God consider everything he had made in the Garden and say “it was very good” (Genesis 1:30)?

Think about the animals. With all its flesh — weighing tons — never has any elephant been guilty of sin. By instinct, an elephant can exhibit aggressive behavior, and does not live a monogamous mating lifestyle. But in no way can it be held morally culpable or even capable of “sin.”

Why? Because it's not what something is that sins. Sin is not committed by natures, but by persons! Elephants are not persons as we are, for we have rational, spiritual souls (think “spirit in man”).

And then there's Satan and his demons. They are incorporeal as pure spirits. (Even if we grant, for the sake of argument, that they have “spirit bodies,” they still don't have human flesh.) Yet they have committed the gravest sins!

So how does this apply to Jesus?

The fact that Jesus has a human nature does not mean he is capable of sin. Remember, while he has a human nature to go along with his divine nature, he is only one Person. A divine Person!

Natures on their own cannot sin. My body cannot sin without being directed by me, because only persons can sin. And since Jesus is a divine Person, it follows that Jesus cannot and never could sin.

The temptations of Jesus

Because the Eternal Word took to himself a human nature, he shares in our experiences and our sufferings.

He lived his earthly life in the flesh just like we do. He endured hunger. He bled. He cried. He suffered all the things we do.

But he never teetered on the edge of sin. There were no close calls.

Read Matthew 4. Even during the full-on assault in the wilderness by Satan the master tempter, Jesus did not hesitate in perfect obedience to the Father.

Jesus fasted 40 days and 40 nights, and was hungry. He could only be hungry through his human nature, which he shares with us. Yet when the great tempter tried to lead him astray, Jesus had no second thoughts:

But he answered, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God’” (verse 4).

His truly hungry human body was not his boss; he, the divine Person, was wholly in control.

His inability to sin is evident in the next temptation, when the devil told him to jump from atop the temple, since the Scriptures said he would be protected.

Jesus' did not have to battle pride. He did not think, “Hey, who the heck do you think I am? I am the I AM, buddy! I'll show you!”

No, with absolute, unwavering conviction, Jesus said,

Again it is written, “You shall not put the Lord your God to the test” (verse 7).

And finally, the devil tempted Jesus with all the kingdoms of the world if only Jesus would fall down and worship him.

We can't take the fact that the devil tried to lead Jesus into sin as proof that Jesus was capable of having second thoughts.

No, the all-knowing God-Man was not impressed.

Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’ Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.

Again, we see because of who he was (God), Jesus was unshakable; but because of what he was (Man), he suffered intensely.

In other words, while Jesus was tempted in the sense of being put to the test in his human weaknesses, he was not tempted in the sense of struggling to decide whether to sin.

He was never close to sinning through anger. He was never in danger of lusting for power, riches, or women.

Contrary to what I heard years ago, if Jesus could have sinned, then he is not God, and you have no Savior!

Conclusion: It makes perfect sense to think of it this way — that Jesus was tested, but not tempted.

So then, since we have a great High Priest who has entered heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to what we believe. This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin. So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it most (Hebrews 4:14-16, New Living Translation).


The COG Catholic currently blogs at www.cogcatholic.org.



Tuesday, August 6, 2024

Did LCG's Fast Servce Its Purpose?

 


LCG's fast is now over. Did anyone in LCG feel the Holy Spirit stirred up? More importantly, did any minister? It's the ministry that should have been on its knees fasting and praying for humility and forgiveness instead of placing the burden on the members.

Was this about members looking inwardly or trying to influence God to do what they demand? 

How many doors were opened to spread LCG's gospel as a result of last Saturday?

Has the church reached the world? Bob Thiel claims it hasn't so he had to step in and do their work.



Prepare for the Fast—Part 3: The growth of the early Church was driven, in part, by men filledwith the Holy Spirit, like Peter (Acts 2:1–4), Stephen and Philip (6:3–8; 8:5–8), and Paul (13:1–12; 19:1–6). The Scriptures also reveal that God will pour out His Spirit abundantly in the last days (Joel 2:28–32; Acts 2:17–18). To that end, the Apostle Paul urged Christians to “stir up” the gift of the Holy Spirit, which is a Spirit of power, love, and a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:6–7). We nourish that Spirit through daily prayer, Bible study, fasting, and meditation on God’s word (2 Corinthians 4:16). As we fast, we need to pray for open doors to boldly preach the Gospel (Acts 4:29–33; Revelation 3:8), for courage to “cry aloud” and show God’s people their sins (Isaiah 58:1), for a clearer understanding of prophecy (2 Peter 1:19), and for laborers and resources to finish the Work (Matthew 9:37–38; 2 Corinthians 8–9; John 4:34). Jesus commissioned His Church to reach the world (Mark 16:15), and He promised to be with His Church to the end of the age (Matthew 28:19–20). Let’s do our part as we draw together to pray and worship during the coming Fast.
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail

The Foolish, Arrogant and Biblically Illiterate Shepherd David C Pack



It's no secret, if one listens to Dave Pack, the theological misfit, he feels that he knows more than anyone else about the Bible. Evidently reading it and then cut and pasting the parts that tend to agree with him and even point to him motivates him to spin one false biblical scenario after the next ad nauseum. Those who enable Dave, stroke his ego and refuse to confront him keep the fables flowing.

Dave Pack is not a trained theologian. His education was in Bible reading and the false practice of "here a little, there a little, line upon line, precept upon precept" misunderstanding of that scripture's context, which is nowhere near the meaning the Churches of God ascribe to it. 

"Here a little, there a little"

Dave Pack knows nothing about the actual sciences and no, he did not study and settle the topic of evolution "50 years ago" once and for all. I took the same stupid and ignorant class he did and just trust me, it was stupid and ignorant. Dave's understanding is at the level of "A Whale of a Tale" and a "Theory for the Birds" which WCG published to settle the question of "no, evolution did not happen" once and for all. It was grossly out of date scientifically when published as was the course material Dave claims he studied 50 years ago. 

Aron Ra slaughtered Dave Pack's series on Creationism and why Evolution cannot be true with 19 a Pack crushing series of his own as to why it is.

 

Dave knows nothing of the actual background and composition of the Old Testament. He takes obviously borrowed mythologies as being literally true. He knows nothing of Gospel origins, authorship, politic and intent. He never studied such topics. They were never understood by the WCG faculty or ministry much less taught. Herbert Armstrong was merely a charismatic Bible reader and the pattern Dave Pack found to fit his own ego and theological nonsense.

Dave knows nothing of the first century political and theological intrigues between the Jerusalem Apostles and the Apostle Paul. He probably does not realize that Paul wrote, lived and died before any Gospel was ever penned and comes first in the story of the NT. I doubt Dave would understand that Paul never met Gospel Jesus nor why he never quotes him. 

Dave certainly would never entertain the idea that the Book of Revelation is not for anyone today or that "to show things (THEN) which must shortly come to pass" and "Behold I come quickly" meant "to them not us" and, of course, didn't happen.  He'd argue it is "both then and yet now again", but he'd be wrong. 

And of course, there really are not any Old Testament references to David C Pack's coming, mission or message. 

Nonetheless, there has never quite been the expert in all things like David C Pack. 

Just ask him.

I’ve come to the point whereas I’ve explained, I’m encyclopedic on the Bible, I can just study it in my mind, I can call up these verses and I just then I just said, ‘I’m not gonna stop.’ Then I took a pause and by nightfall I was over a hundred and eventually over a hundred and ten.”

 “It just never happened. I’ve studied Church history like no one I’ve ever knownmaybe there’re some who know it better than I do, but I wrote a lot about it, I’ve talked about it, and I’ve I’ve harkened to this point.”

 “I’ve been studying God’s word for almost 50 years. And I’ve studied prophecy, I know

this, like no man who’s ever lived. And I’m gonna tell you things over the next several weeks that are so awesome, so mind-bending, even before today.”

 “I’m telling you, brethren, I understand this. I’m equipped. I am trained to understand. I know what war is, I’ve studied it all my life.”

 “I’ve studied prophecy, I am sure, by far, more than anybody who ever lived.”

 “I’m not the Apostle Paul, but I am one and I understand what he’s thinking. I’m sure I’ve pastored more people than he did. He probably traveled more in many ways. Maybe raised up more congregations, although I raised up almost fifty, but I don’t know...”

 “This is a profound understanding and nobody ever put it together and it was my task to do that and begin to explain it to the church. I’m going to tell you, I think there probably are still a few flaws in what I’ve said, but very few.”

 “What we learned on Thursday night, nobody on earth knows! Nobody knows it. My whole life I’ve dug into these things. I know prophecy better than any man alive. I’ve said it before, if you think I’m arrogant saying it, as I like to say, ‘Then, pray for me.’ But I’m gonna tell you I’ve dug and dug and dug like nobody I ever knew...and now a thousand wise men could not convince me I’m wrong.”

 “These are mysteries. Nobody understood any of this. I didn’t and took me a while to put it together. I mean, I feel like I could write a new King James Bible better, with the Greek and Hebrew. They were fine, I’m not I’m not trying to brag, but I’ve had to. That’s where I got up to and I do estimate it’s about 9000 hours of study on this.”

 “Look, maybe there’re people who know New Testament Church history better than I, but I but I I’ll bet there aren’t three in the last two thousand years, partly because I live at the end of it and I’ve studied it and written long books on it and studied it...”

For the whole nauseating list of Dave's quotes about himself see:

DCP_Like-No-One-Else.pdf - Google Drive

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Dave Pack Defined

5 Signs You're in an Abusive Church (crosswalk.com)

 The cult of the leader.

Abusive communities often have a dynamic leader. They appear personable and engaging. They command attention and energize a room. They teach with authority (often quite loudly) and employ a multitude of scriptural references. At face value, it appears as if their leadership is biblically based and divinely blessed.

While the teachings of the leader may appear biblical, there is often little discussion of the biblical text in its historical or theological context. Scripture verses are used as proof-texts alone. 

Teachings are designed to illustrate the leader’s special knowledge or experience. Either by prayer or personal study, the leader is deemed to understand the correct application of Scripture, an application that others fail to notice. Importantly, as the leader alone holds this secret knowledge, individuals are dissuaded from asking questions or researching the topic themselves.

These dynamics create an exalted status of the leader. In abusive communities, the leader is to be followed blindly. His or her leadership is understood to be divinely ordained. Questioning the leader, therefore, amounts to questioning God’s holy and unalterable word. The continuous message to the community is “be like the leader” rather than “be like Jesus.”