Monday, September 25, 2023

Bob Thiel's Falshoods On Number Of Members In Africa Exposed

 



Sasha writes:

I would like to comment on a couple of things: numbers of CCOG believers in Africa and this latest move to sue Terry Nelson in Malawi. First of all, we have all known for years that "thousands" of CCOG members in Africa has been a big lie, and that "open door" in Africa was actually an open "hole" in Africa. A hole that sucks in money and until recently used lap tops. I say recently because the lap tops donor, upon learning what happens with his donations, stopped sending them! As Terry Nelson co-founded Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God, 27 congregations in Kenya approached him and tried to convince him (and me) of their loyalty and desire to be part of Hope of Israel. They did not know that we were closely observing their deeds and that we were not to fall for numbers and send financial aid they obviously expected and thought they would extract from us. That didn't happen and they ultimately left us alone angry that we would not give them what they wanted and that I appointed Hope of Israel representative in Kenya who was not their man. But while we were in communication with leaders of those 27 Kenyan congregation, I asked them about supposed 10,000 CCOG members in Africa. They were all dumbfounded and wondered where from that many people came into CCOG?! In other words, they had no idea that Evans Ochieng's common claim in CCOG was that it had 10,000 members in Africa, nor were they aware that Bob Thiel was promoting that lie to CCOG members worldwide. So, that tells us that many CCOG members in Kenya and Africa do not really get reports from Africa about Africa. The reason is obvious: behind their backs Evans Ochieng sends lying reports to Bob Thiel.

Bob Thiel Sinks To New Low: Gives Money To African Church "Leader" To Hire Lawyer To Sue Terry Nelson

 



BREAKING:

Just when you think certain Church of God sleazy leaders can't sink any lower, along comes Bob Thiel doing exactly that! Thiel believes his ministry is the most sacred ministry the church has ever had since the dawn of Christianity and since it is so perfect, as he is perfect, he just CANNOT handle any criticism of corruption in his church. So, the natural thing for him to do is to go after the whistleblower and smear his name. Now he has done that by sinking even lower by passing on money for Radson to take Terry Nelson to court and sue him for the things he has said here on Banned: 

Evans Ocheing and Radson Mulozowa, can never do any wrong.

Bob Thiel just gave Money to Radson within the Last Week to Hire a Lawyer to charge me with Reporting the Truth on Banned in the last 18 Months.

Sad thing is Thiel knows Radson is avoiding a warrant for his arrest.
Thiel knows me and my son sponsored the Bibles, yet it doesn't matter to him that Radson Mulozowa stole them for his own PROFIT.

He's forgetting, Radson lied under testimony in front of me.

Thiel's done for unless he Fires Radson. His choice, I guess.

I seriously am beginning to see Thiel has serious issues

The Current Enigma in the Restored Church of God Under David C Pack: Why Do They Stay?


We've all asked the question as the madness of David C Pack unfolds week after week, "Why do they stay?"  

For many reasons I suspect, all grounded in "I can't turn back now",  like being heavily invested with "Send it in!" and the foolishness of "Common". Once you have given all, you can't give it again and denial of such a mistake in giving has to be put aside with maybe the next edition of Dave's, 'We never saw it, but now I do" will be correct. Of course, it won't. Not now and not ever. But that's not important yet...

While one of Dave's keep you in your seats techniques is to mock those who say, "I can't take it anymore!" as if that conclusion is some kind of deviant view, it should be the obvious view of a clear thinking human being sincerely stuck in the wrong place. Dave has and will give one plenty of reasons to not be able to take all this BS anymore. It's ok to conclude that and leave. The evidence is in.

https://exitsupportnetwork.com/expose-of-clarion-call-the-time-is-now/

Being warned and personally convinced that there is only one true Church, and it is the Restored Church of God will keep some in place. After all, the NT church had problems and were mistaken about a lot of end time things, but it was still the Church. Even Paul was mistaken so it is no problem that Apostle Pack is mistaken over and over. 

Threatened with the loss of Eternal Life will keep one in place. And then there is the "fact" that you'll probably consider suicide if you leave. Fear, guilt and shame is the glue that holds many a butt to a seat they need to actually free themselves from.

And of course, "If my friends are still here, then it must be right, or will be at some point, because my friends are able to not be troubled by one failed prediction after the next by Mr. Pack. I mean, he's just human (for now) too and means well. If my friends can dismiss Mr. Pack's erroneous predictions and understanding, title taking and the general waste of our time week after week, I can too! 

Or..."Maybe I just don't have enough faith, like my friends seem to have..yet"

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Following is a study related to why do they stay that can be helpful in answering this question as to "Why Do They Stay?".  

While the concept of getting more and more people to join the church as a method of dismissing the reality of one failed fairy tale dreamed up by Dave is not a big factor with RCG at the moment, it might need to be in the near future.  Dave left the studio and that which drew people to RCG, evidently, long ago and opted for this in-house lunacy, which is proving costly. 

Now it is resulting in both monetary and member losses without the compensatory value of new people coming into RCG. They simply are not, and this is one reason why, as desperation grows in maintaining the Church and physical plant, paid for with "The Clarion Call" of years gone by, the danger inherent in Dave's delusions of who he believes he is in scripture and how short he imagines time to be before his Christ returns to Wadsworth grows. 

It is also, however, conceivable that Dave Pack will panic at some time realizing that it's all falling apart and return to the studio and booklets to attract and replace the losses he currently is suffering and continues to suffer. 

Desperate times require desperate measures and Dave dropping the current foolishness with a revelation from Christ that, "We never saw that all this prophetic inspiration was Christ showing me that I needed to preach the Gospel again to the world! But now I see it!....Who has the keys to the studio?" 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

Festinger, Riecken and Schachter were already studying the effects of prophecy disconfirmation on groups of believers, when they read a story in a local newspaper headlined "Prophecy from Planet. Clarion Call to City: Flee That Flood. It'll Swamp us on Dec. 21" 

The prophecy came from Dorothy Martin (1900–1992), a Chicago housewife who practised automatic writing, and it outlined a catastrophe predicted for a specific date in their near future. Seeing an opportunity to test their theories with a contemporary case study, the research team infiltrated the group of Martin's followers in order to collect data before, during and after the time the prophecy would be refuted.


... As anticipated by the research team, the prophesied date passed with no sign of the predicted flood, causing a dissonance between the group's commitment to the prophecy and the unfolding reality. 

(Note: To date, RCG members have experienced 47 failed returns of Dave's Christ just this year alone)

Different members of the group reacted in different ways. Many of those with the highest levels of belief, commitment and social support became more committed to their beliefs, began to court publicity in a way they had not before, and developed various rationalizations for the absence of the flood. 

Some others, with less prior conviction and commitment, and/or less access to ongoing group support, were less able to sustain or increase their previous levels of belief and involvement, and several left the group. 

The findings of the research team were broadly in line with their initial hypothesis regarding how believers might react to a prophecy disconfirmation if certain conditions were or were not in place.

Hypothesis

Festinger, Riecken and Schachter used the study to test their theories on how people might be expected to behave when faced with a specific type of dissonance, arising from a failed prophecy. 

The team had seen that in some cases the failure of a prophecy, rather than causing a rejection of the original belief system, could lead believers to increase their personal commitment, and also increase their efforts to recruit others into the belief. They identified five conditions that they proposed could lead to this type of reaction:


Conditions for increased fervor after disconfirmation(i.e when the prophecy fails)
ConditionEffect
"1. A belief must be held with deep conviction, and it must have some relevance to action, that is, to what the believer does or how he or she behaves."Makes the belief resistant to change.
"2. The person holding the belief must have committed himself to it; that is, for the sake of his belief, he must have taken some important action that is difficult to undo. In general, the more important such actions are, and the more difficult they are to undo, the greater is the individual's commitment to the belief."Makes the belief resistant to change.
"3. The belief must be sufficiently specific and sufficiently concerned with the real world so that events may unequivocally refute the belief."Exposes believers to the possibility of their belief being disproved.
"4. Such undeniable disconfirmatory evidence must occur and must be recognized by the individual holding the belief."Exerts pressure on believers to abandon their belief.
"5. The individual believer must have social support."While an individual might be unable to resist the pressure to abandon their belief in the face of disconfirming facts, a group might be able to support each other to maintain the belief.

In the case of all conditions being in place, their hypothesis was that believers would find it difficult to abandon their beliefs in the face of disconfirmation, would use their available social support to maintain their beliefs, and would try to increase consonance by recruitment through proselyting, on the grounds that "If more and more people can be persuaded that the system of belief is correct, then clearly it must after all be correct."

The research team considered that all of the conditions were likely to be fulfilled in the case study involving Martin and her followers. 

In this case, if the group's leader could add consonant elements by converting others to the basic premise, then the magnitude of her dissonance following disconfirmation would be reduced. The research team predicted that the inevitable disconfirmation would be followed by an enthusiastic effort at proselyting to seek social support and lessen the pain of disconfirmation.

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Maybe Dave will come to his senses. Probably not.




The Bizarre ACOG Day of Atonement


 

The Bizarre ACOG Day of Atonement

Lonnie Hendrix

On this Day of Atonement, most of the ACOG’s will offer sermons which place Satan at the center of the day! They will emphatically declare that the Azazel goat represents Satan the Devil, and that the “laying on of hands” is symbolic of placing the fault for our sins on the head of the entity who is responsible for them! Jesus Christ, as usual, will be portrayed as fulfilling a secondary or supportive role in the ceremony. Moreover, they will say that the Azazel being led into the wilderness by the hand of a fit man represents the angel of Revelation casting Satan into the Abyss! And they will say all of this with great solemnity and reverence, but they will be very wrong!

In relation to the Old Testament ceremony prescribed for the Day of Atonement outlined in the sixteenth chapter of Leviticus, it is clear to me that the High Priest was regarded as a type of Jesus Christ by early Christians. What is the evidence that supports this conclusion? The book of Hebrews!

“For there was a tabernacle made, the first…which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all…Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. BUT INTO THE SECOND WENT THE HIGH PRIEST ALONE ONCE EVERY YEAR (ON THE DAY OF ATONEMENT), not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience…But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.” –Hebrews 9:2-12

Clearly, Aaron was symbolic of Jesus Christ in this ceremony. Nevertheless, the symbolism was not perfect. For obvious reasons, Aaron was unable to offer his own blood to sprinkle on the altar to make atonement for the people. He had to use the blood of a goat. Moreover, Aaron was also obviously unable to actually remove the people’s sins. He needed another goat to portray that!

“And he shall take the two goats, and present THEM before the Lord at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.” –Leviticus 16:7 Notice that these goats are paired in the ceremony, and BOTH of them are presented before the Lord. Hence, it is obvious that these goats are RELATED to each other. “And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot FOR the Lord, and the other lot FOR the scapegoat.” –Leviticus 16:8 In context, it is clear that one of the goats was chosen to be presented to God as a sacrifice/offering (Leviticus 16:9), and Aaron (who was the type of Christ) was to use that goat’s blood to sprinkle on the altar to make atonement for the people. (Leviticus 16:15) Likewise, the other goat was to be used for the scapegoat, or goat of removal. “But the goat on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.” (Leviticus 16:10)

Once again, it is clear that Aaron (THE TYPE OF CHRIST) needed blood to complete the symbolism of the ceremony. Continuing in Hebrews, we read: “And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. IT WAS THEREFORE NECESSARY THAT THE PATTERNS OF THINGS IN THE HEAVENS SHOULD BE PURIFIED WITH THESE; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. FOR CHRIST IS NOT ENTERED INTO THE HOLY PLACES MADE WITH HANDS, WHICH ARE THE FIGURES OF THE TRUE; BUT INTO HEAVEN ITSELF, NOW TO APPEAR IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD FOR US: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year WITH BLOOD OF OTHERS; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared TO PUT AWAY SIN BY THE SACRIFICE OF HIMSELF.” –Hebrews 9:22-26

Clearly, Aaron was symbolically playing the role of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament ceremony. In that ceremony, there were two goats which were presented before the Lord. One of those goats was designated to be used as a sacrifice/offering to God, and Aaron used the blood of that goat (since he could not use his own) to take before the mercy seat of God and symbolically make an atonement for the sins of the people. The other goat was designated to bear the sins of the people into the wilderness. “And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.” (Leviticus 16:21-22)

Hence, NEITHER GOAT WAS DESIGNATED TO REPRESENT GOD OR JESUS CHRIST IN THIS CEREMONY!!!!!!! Remember, Aaron represented Christ. The Holy of Holies represented heaven. The mercy seat above the Ark of the Covenant represented Almighty God’s presence. One of the goats was used to represent Christ’s blood, and the other goat was used to represent the removal of the people’s sins from the camp and from the presence of Almighty God! The very thing that Christ’s shed blood accomplished! “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” –Hebrews 9:28

Now some of you will be thinking: “How could they get this so wrong?” A natural question - especially since the passages referenced from the book of Hebrews clearly lay out the Christian perspective on the day! Moreover, their troubling insertion of Satan into the starring role relative to the symbolism of this day presents serious problems for one of their primary justifications for observing this day and the other festivals of Torah. They claim that these days help them to understand God’s plan and serves to remind them of these principles on a yearly basis. How can that happen when their understanding is so obviously flawed? Did the Devil make you do it? OR Are you responsible for the sins which you have committed? Does Jesus Christ take away the sin of the world or does Satan the Devil? Does Christ remove our sins from us - as far as the East is from the West? OR Is that accomplished by some other means? What do you think?