Saturday, November 15, 2025

The Debbie Downer Of COG Leaders Has Another Depressing Sermon

 



Traditional speechwriting typically starts with something positive, elaborates on that, moves to the message, and then ends with something positive again. Oh, but not with God's greatest gift to the human race and the Churches of God—how utterly depressing! Everything he writes and speaks kicks off with one bombastic evil or negative thing after another, and then, right in the midst of it all, he humbly brags about how perfect he and his little church are, having restored all things to their glorious pinnacle. And then to top it off, he wraps up with even more delightful negativity. What a brilliant formula for inspiration!

Can you imagine the sheer bliss of spending 3½ years cooped up in Petra with this Queen of Negativity? If he's not graciously bitching about something wrong, he'll be modestly extolling how wonderful he is, only to lovingly berate those present for continually failing to meet his impeccable standards. Ah, what a heavenly paradise that would be—pure utopia!

Armstrongism has always tended to be grace-deficient in its message, hasn't it? Doom and destruction were the name of the game, with just a few tantalizing glimpses of the lion dwelling with the lamb thrown in for good measure. Have you ever heard a COG minister preach an entire sermon on grace and how deeply loved the people of God sitting before him are, and how precious they are in God's sight? Of course not—it would ruin the fun! 

This is the Great Bwana's latest sermon (always in multiple parts since he can't edit his words). Oh, and there will be consequences for resisting Bob's messages because they are directly from his god, which apparently dislikes paragraph breaks.


2 Timothy 3-4: Scripture and Truth Restored
This is the second part of a 2-part sermon series covering each and every verse of the Apostle Paul’s second epistle to Timothy. In this sermon, Dr. Thiel covers the last two chapters of Paul’s letter. Paul tells Timothy how terrible people will be in the last days, and that many are always learning but not coming to the knowledge of the truth. Dr. Thiel quotes passages in scripture showing that God’s word is truth, yet that many suppress the truth in unrighteousness and promote sexual immortality and other evils. He also quotes information about the possible identity of Jannes and Jambres, and warns that there are consequences in resisting God and His messages. He also cites Jesus who essentially warned that the Sardis and Laodicean Christians also resist the truth and need to repent. Dr. Thiel also covers the fact that Paul was persecuted, that Philadelphian Christians will be persecuted, but that later they will be protected per Revelation 12:13-16, but that the non-Philadelphian Christians will then be subject to persecution during the Great Tribulation. Prophetic errors that certain Laodiceans hold are also pointed out. He also explains why Richard Dawkins’ book, The God Delusion, is not scientific. He warns that Greco-Roman Catholic and Protestant teachers have accepted traditions over the word of God, when instead they should be faithful. Dr. Thiel quotes various passages of scripture from the Apostle Paul showing that Christians are to continue in the original faith and doctrine, as well as grow in spiritual knowledge. He also goes over many truths that have been restored in the Continuing Church of God and gives biblical reasons why the most faithful in the 21st century should support the CCOG. He quotes the Apostle Paul who says ministers are to preach the word of God and mentions some of how the CCOG does that. He warns that throughout church history, people have rebelled against church government as well those who loved the world more than the truth of God. Some information related to the canonization of scripture is touched upon. The faithful couple, Priscilla and Aquila, are mentioned, including places they had lived for a time. Dr. Thiel concludes by saying that all need the Lord Jesus Christ to be with us, we all need God’s grace, God will strengthen us, His word is more of a guide than a GPS, and we simply need to do things His way which includes obeying Him, resisting Satan, not following the ways of the world in these last days, growing in knowledge, and supporting the most faithful Church in these end times.

Friday, November 14, 2025

Where is Bob Thiel's Love If He Has Restored All True Spiritual Knowledge?

 



I couldn't help but comment again on Pastor Dr Bob's latest rant in Cogwriter, 

Bob states everyone must look to the CCOG as he/it has restored so much knowledge and is the only COG holding the Philadelphia Mantel. The problem with this is even if this were true, it doesn't mean jacksquat as the Bible states if you have not Love, all knowledge, all prophecy, all signs, all anything else doesn't matter at all without Love. 

Is Bob showing Love when he betrayed Priscilla and her children? 

Is Bob showing Love, covering Radsons' lies and sins, so he can maintain his Delusions of Grandeur? 

Is Bob showing Love, allowing his leading ministers to practice witchcraft and desecrating babies' bodies to get demonic favors? 

Is Bob showing Love, covering up Evans' sex scandals? 

Is Bob showing Love, covering up a Former CCOG leader's sin, lying to a member of Hope of Israel, saying it was a rumor, but admittedly saying publicly that it was in fact true? 

Is Bob showing Love covering up Evans Ocheing and his son Bradox Ouma Ocheing's political scandal of 2017 and 2022? 

Is Bob showing Love when Ministers and Deacons under Radson and Evans come forth telling him the truth, only to be dismissed and handed over to Evans and Radson's cruel punishment and death threats? 

All these things Bob talks about don't mean a thing to God, as God is concerned about Love first and what is true. Dr Pastor Bob Thiel is without excuse. Many have tried to help him, but being he only loves himself above all else, he fails BIG TIME. 

Dr Pastor Bob Thiel, show some LOVE won't ya!!!!

Terry Nelson

Thursday, November 13, 2025

Apostle Paul Foretold The Current Vicious Satanic Attack Against Bob Thiel



That crafty, fork-tongued abomination of a serpent is throwing yet another epic tantrum, zeroing in on the unparalleled, godlike genius that is the Supreme Overseer, the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel. Can you even fathom the depths of Satan's soul-crushing jealousy over Bwana Bob's utterly revolutionary drivel—er, I mean, literature—spewed forth in literally hundreds of tongues, complemented by the most hyper-mega-ultra-superfantabulous websites ever half-baked by any ragtag Church of God splinter group? Satan's pathetic posse of shadowy Google gremlins sicced a swarm of digital demons to wreak absolute, laughably amateur havoc on the Great Bwana's oh-so-impregnable online fortress. Heaven forbid the masses miss out on the Great Bwana's brain-melting masterpieces—scribbles so staggeringly, coma-inducingly brilliant that Old Satan himself had to drop everything and DDoS the servers in a fit of infernal rage.

As us puny humans have oh-so-heroically evolved our pitiful computer smarts, poor Satan—bless his blackened heart—has been dragged kicking and screaming into inventing brand-new, convoluted plots to pester the church. No doubt he's got this gargantuan, brimstone-belching server farm humming away, cackling maniacally as it torpedoes COG tech and churns out AI hallucinations of perpetual doom. Personally, I'd peg him as a die-hard "pen and parchment" purist, but hey, if he's gone digital, it's surely just to snoop through your browser history for some premium blackmail fodder.

But wait, there's more infernal innovation! Satan's got bio-engineered nano-devils swimming through fiber-optic cables, sabotaging COG servers with precision strikes that make the CIA look like toddlers with crayons. He's even time-traveled (because why not?) to retroactively invent the blue screen of death just to foreshadow his assaults on Thiel's throne of theological triumph.

Satan Servants Again Strike! 

In the past week we have had to endure physical as well as software hacks. 
 
These hacks cost time and money, as well as discourage people from viewing our materials. 
 
A ‘google bot’ hack on Tuesday greatly slowed down viewers’ abilities to access information on our websites. People were often delayed, sometimes so much as to get timed out and not able to view information. 
 
We asked our man in Portugal to assist on Tuesday related to the bot slow down, as well as had a hardware/software man help recover from a series of costly hacks this week. 
 
So, we have been working on these matters, as well as taking steps to try to further protect our websites from being hacked.

The Apostle Paul was inspired to write:

12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Ephesians 6:12) 
 
Satan does not want Matthew 24:14 to be fulfilled as that is an important sign of the end, which will lead to the countdown of his end. 
 
Remember:

We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God. (Acts 14:22-23) 
 
Since Satan is the “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2), he has directly or indirectly, various of the disobedient in his service to attack our websites.

Wednesday, November 12, 2025

A Creation Without Grace: The Brutal Armstrongist Concept of Pre-adamic Man

 

Homo Naledi 

A Creation Without Grace

The Brutal Armstrongist Concept of Pre-adamic Man

By Scout

"A person's a person, no matter how small" – Dr. Seuss

 

Decades ago, Herman Hoeh mounted the stage in the Field House in Big Sandy and delivered a startling message.  I sat in the middle of a large audience and listened spellbound.  He explained that ancient man was not only pre-Flood but pre-adamic.  Up to that point, Armstrongist history maintained that ancient humans, such as Neanderthal, were descended from Adam but lived before the Noachian Flood and within the boundaries of the 6,000-year period.  Hoeh further stated that the pyramids of Egypt were not built by our “Israelite” ancestors in Egyptian slavery but were built by pre-Flood peoples.  Later on, I don’t know when or where I first heard it, this understanding included the idea that pre-adamic man was not really a true human and that salvation was not applicable to him.  God, then, was a great being who created sentient or near-sentient beings throughout hundreds of thousands of years and discarded them.  It was unsettling. It was not a picture of grace. 

(Note: Oddly, while there was a published Armstrongist article based on the Young Earth Creationist idea that all ancient men were descended from Adam, there was never an official publication asserting Hoeh’s profound revision of Armstrongist history presented that day in the Field House.  I searched an archive of WCG literature and could not find the term “pre-adamic man” or its variant spellings. Any downstream theological implications of Hoeh’s idea were halted by neglect.  I have no explanation for this.) 

Hoeh’s presentation was unsettling because it was a view of God that one would need to process. If there is anything that we can learn from the anthropomorphic portrayal of God in the Bible, it is that the creation reflects the creator.  The corollary proposition is that your understanding of the creation informs your view of God.  I paint using watercolor or acrylic and sometimes mixed media.  What I create in a work of art reflects my aesthetics, interests and viewpoints.  My work is unsurprisingly not perfect because I am not perfect.  I would like my art to be perfect but it never will be.  God works in the medium of reality.  He is perfect and, when he is finished with it, so will be his creation.  The question is how does pre-adamic man fit into this picture. 

Redemption of the Cosmos by Renewal

God created the Cosmos and the Cosmos reflects who he is.  That is why he is going to fix it, restore it and in its final perfect disposition it will be beautiful, shining, new, at peace and redeemed.   There is the creation, then the Cross and finally the renewal of all things or the Apokatastasis.  Joh 3:16 reads in Greek, “For God so loved the Cosmos that he gave his only begotten son…”.  We find in Romans 8, “that the creation itself will be set free from its enslavement to decay and will obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.”  

Jesus spoke of the Apokatastasis when he stated, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal (Greek, palingenesia from the words for “again” and “generation”) of all things, when the Son of Man is seated on the throne of his glory …”.    In Acts 3:21, Peter refers to it as the “restitution of all things (Greek, apokatastasis).” Paul sees in this restitution later that all Israel will be saved, not just those who become Christians during the present era but all Israel for all time. Restitution is a time-spanning principle. It covers not only the living but also the dead.   God created all things from the beginning and what he created he will restore in the Eschaton.  If this line or reasoning yet seems tenuous, consider the explicit statement in Revelation 21:5, “"He who was seated on the throne said, 'Behold, I am making all things new’”.   Nowhere does scripture suggest that God created things blithely.  Nowhere does it suggest that he regards any of what he created to be discardable.  This would include ancient man such as, say, Homo Naledi.

Homo Naledi

They were a different species of hominid genus.  They lived 300,000 years ago and they were small. They stood at about 4’9” and weighed around 100 pounds.  Their brain volume was about a third of ours.  Their brain size was only slightly larger than that of a chimpanzee.   The archaeology indicates that they were around about 100,000 years and then went extinct about 236,000 YA.  They co-existed with early modern humans who appeared on earth around 300,000 YA.  In fact, God made all kinds of hominids.  The more scientists sift through the strata the more types they find. 

The Homo Naledi were not just animals that God created nonchalantly.  They had human characteristics.  At the Rising Star Cave in South Africa there is a rich deposit of Homo Naledi fossils and artifacts.  It has been startling to paleo-archaeologists that these ancients were in some ways so human-like.  They had reverence for the treatment of their dead.  They were driven by emotion to sequester away their loved ones so their dead bodies would not undergo visible decay or destruction by animals. They went way out of their way, over difficult descents, to bury their dead in a deep chamber of the cave.  This has a ceremonial quality to it. They illuminated the way with fires.  At one point in the descent, they had to engage in teamwork to get the body of the deceased across a deep chasm.  Someone had to jump to the other side of the chasm so the body could be passed over.  In the cemetery chamber, there were markings on the wall.  The conjecture is that it identified who was buried there.  Finally, in one of the excavated graves, the interred person seems to have a tool in his hand.  The tool might have been a graver for making marks on the cave walls.  

So, we have a group of human-like beings who were to some degree sentient.  The complexity of their burial ritual indicates they must have had some form of communication, probably speech, to coordinate team efforts.  They revered the dead in a way that is ceremonial: considerate burial in a cave requiring difficult passages to accomplish.  The tool in the hand of one of the deceased may indicate a belief in the continuation of life beyond death.   Animals don’t do any of this.  And the profound conclusion that we must acknowledge is that they were created by God.  Does God create anything as a lark?

The Armstrongist Version of Evolution

I believe that evolution happened.  It was a tool that God used to order the biological creation on earth.  I do not, however, believe that evolution was wholly random.  I believe it was directed by God.  Evolution is theistic. Yet, some literalist interpreters reject evolution as omitting God from the creation picture.  I believe Armstrongists fall into this category. 

In considering the case of Homo Naledi as an archetypical pre-adamic human, it is important to recognize that evolution asserts a continuity between us and ancient humans.  We are not descended from Homo Naledi but we are descended from similar hominids and probably had an ancient common ancestor with the Naledi.  Armstrongism rejects biological evolution and also, along with this, rejects any continuity between humans and what Armstrongism considers to be pre-adamic humans.  But it is ironic that Armstrongists believe in another form of evolution – one that diminishes God. They believe in the progressive development of God.  They believe that God undergoes development and that we may become God-as-God-is-God by also following a line of progressive development.  Progressive development, aka evolution, is the pathway to Godhood. 

So, Armstrongists believe in an unusual form of evolution. I cannot furnish documentary evidence of this. Like the topic of pre-adamic man, there is nothing officially published on this that I know of.  What I found to support this were notes from in a file in the Ambassador College Big Sandy library.  The unpublished notes were from a WCG Ministerial Conference held in Pasadena where Herman Hoeh was one of the speakers.  I have since misplaced these notes.  They are probably somewhere in a box in the garage.  I’ll probably die without ever seeing them again. 

Hoeh explained at the Conference that God functions just like a human engineer.  He must make models and then test the models to see if they will work. He would then evaluate the results of testing and make improvements.  And this experimentation by God is what generated the fossil humanoids (I believe Hoeh used that word) we find preserved in the geologic strata.  (After all, someone has to explain why there is the progressive development of hominids in the fossil record without recourse to evolution.)  So, there is no continuity between modern humans and, say, Neanderthals.  Neanderthal apparently was a failed experiment and is now extinct. The complication in this case is that almost all non-Africans (There were no Neanderthals in Africa but there was some later back-migration.) are part Neanderthal.  Get yourself a genetic test.  So, there is some biological continuity between modern humans and some ancient humans.  Other ancient hominids may be reflected in our genome.  The jury still out.  

What the Armstrongist view means is that evolution did not take place at the biological level but took place in the mind of God.  God had to learn to make man.  He had to start with a simple understanding and through experimentation progressively develop a more sophisticated understanding.  So, Armstrongists see God as evolving.  As you might guess, I think this is malarkey.  God is absolute.  He creates reality.  He makes things exist.  He does not evolve. He is not a Gnostic demiurge. He is not like us and we will never, ever rise to his level as created beings.  And in this view of God evolving there is a brutalness and gracelessness that becomes an inherent part of the creation.

The Brutality of the Armstrongist Pre-adamic Man Belief

In the view of God as engineer, making and discarding progressively more sophisticated hominid models, there is a hierarchy of the results of experimentation.  The failed and unacceptable occupy the lower tiers and at the pinnacle is modern man. The hominids in the lower tiers can then be discarded. There is no grace for them. They are not salvable or redeemable.  They were just experimental biobots or “crash dummies”, a means to an end, that we need not be concerned about no matter how close they might have been to us.  In the case of Homo Naledi, God let them live and propagate for 100,000 years and then cavalierly discarded them, supposedly.  They had emotion, families, care for one another, reverence for a lived life, marked the loss of life, used symbols and tools and all this was simply trash-canned.  Some local sage may kick-back in his armchair and wax philosophical and say “That’s the way life is.  Its harsh.”  Yet, a major theme of both the OT and NT is that “life in the fallen world is not the way it’s supposed to be.”  So, how Homo Naledi, et al, is viewed makes a difference. 

What Difference Does It Make?

The way we think that God treats his creation forms our view of the nature of God. It tells us who God is. It forms our view as to what is acceptable for us to do with the creation.  If influences how we treat other people. The God who is a God of grace and cares for his creation is a different God from the God who values hominids according to a hierarchy and discards the ones that don’t meet expectations.  A church that follows the latter God just might value people in its congregations according to some hierarchy with some people being more important that others and maybe with some people being just a nameless resource.   The topic of ancient man may seem like just another subject for nerds but it is profound spiritually and shapes one’s view of God and denominational social practice.

C.S. Lewis said that nobody would deduce that there is a benevolent God based on observing Nature.  Nature is brutal and competitive.  Lewis instead deduced that the understanding of a God of grace must then be revealed knowledge.  And, as most Christians see it, the present state of Nature is a cross-sectional – just for the present.  It is the final disposition, wrought by God in grace, that is telling. And it is my view, that in the last analysis, Homo Naledi will be restored and will have a role.  When Jesus said “all things” I believe he meant “all things."

Summation

God has no reason to experiment.  He transcends us.  Hoeh conjectured that God learns and makes like humans.  That is not so.. The Cosmos is not a sandbox where God builds sandcastles and destroys them as he tries to figure out what to do next.  I do not know the destiny of Homo Naledi.  But I do know that the God of grace certainly does not discard beings who are at some stage of sentience.  He may not discard anything – including even your pet cat.   Theories that posit such a God are in error and besmirch God’s character of grace.  Extinction is counteracted by restoration.  In the short term it may seem that all is in disarray but in the long term all is ordered.  God created Homo Naledi and I look forward to seeing what God will do for them.  One day we will arrive at the New Earth and New Heavens and all will be restored and beautiful and right.  All things shining. 

Reference

A good summary of the research on Homo Naledi is the Netflix documentary titled “Cave of Bones,” part of the Unknown series.