Bob Thiel's Blog Hacked Revealing the Secret Motives of the Coo Coo Church of God

I  received the following today from the group Anonymous.  Apparently Thiel is of interest to Julian Assange.

12/28/12 p.m. For the past year or so I (California Coo-Coo) have wondered if perhaps the Living Church of God had lost the Philadelphia mantle. To be 100% certain, I have been trying to resolve many matters with those in Charlotte and telephoned Carolina #1 Coo-Coo every day this week.

Instead of speaking with me, a few hours ago I received a factually incorrect letter from Carolina #1 Coo-Coo.

Based upon its tone, numerous inaccurate statements, accusations, and his unwillingness to address the real issues that I wanted to bring up, this letter is 100% proof (to me at least) that my view that the Living Church of God lost the Philadelphia mantle in 2011 or 2012. I am saddened by this development and had hoped to avoid having to make a variety decisions. But, God’s will is to be done (Matthew 6:10; 1 John 2:17).

About an hour ago, I signed various notarized documents to declare the start of a new organization. It is legally to be called the Continuing Coo-Coo Church of God Overseer and successors, a corporation sole (COO-COOCOG).

Next week, the corporate documents are to be filed–but legally it now exists as a real church. The late Herbert W. Armstrong formed a corporate sole in the 1970s and this seemed to be the best available option for me in California.

We expect to best represent the true remnant of the Philadelphia era of the original Church of God that began on Pentecost in Acts 2 (c. 31 A.D.). Beliefs of the COO-COO-COG.

The following may help show how I could be possibly qualified to do this:

• • The Apostle Paul wrote, “Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy” (1 Corinthians 14:1). This is something California Coo-Coo has attempted to do, as well as pray about, for decades.

• • In 1996/1997, the then local GCG airhead figuratively twisted California Coo-Coo's arm to get him to start the website that is now COGwriter. In 1998, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and others with LCG encouraged California Coo-Coo to expand and continue COGwriter, etc. It later became the most popular member website of any associated with the COGs and has long functioned as an Coo-Coo tool. COGwriter, directly, as well as indirectly, has helped bring many to the COG in general and LCG specifically. Since 1998, the website’s focus has been to support the Philadelphia remnant and to expound prophecy. It has produced fruits (Matthew 7:15-16).

• •On January 6, 2007, after hearing about a reference to a Catholic prophecy about a former Roman Catholic rising up and causing the Church of Rome problems at the end times, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo, “That is you.” During this particular visit to Charlotte, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo discussed both the evangelical and other fruits of California Coo-Coo’s writings.

• • In August 2008, California Coo-Coo told Arkansas Poo-Poo, that if LCG was not going to deal with certain matters that he felt needed to be corrected (and that Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had seemingly agreed to correct), that part of its top leadership (likely Carolina #1 Coo-Coo) was about to be hit with something bad.

• • In September 2008, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had his mini-stroke. Arkansas Poo-Poo seemed to feel that this could have fulfilled California Coo-Coo’s warning.

• • On October 3, 2008, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo (who was unaware of that August 2008 warning), told California Coo-Coo, “God may consider you to be a Coo-Coo.” This came from the Carolina #1 Coo-Coo of the Living Church of God.

• • Later in October 2008, California Coo-Coo tried to counsel with Dibar Apartian and Dr. Hairspray about this. Dibar Apartian initially strongly denied Carolina #1 Coo-Coo said this (but of course, as he was not part of it; he did not hear the conversation). A couple of days later, he calmed down, came up to California Coo-Coo, and said that he was either “the one” or the “biggest threat to the church.”

• • In January 2009, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo over the telephone that if he (Carolina #1 Coo-Coo) was raised to the office of apostle, he was considering ordaining California Coo-Coo as a Coo-Coo.

• • On February 4, 2009, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo over the telephone, “You have an in-depth understanding {of prophetic matters}—you could be a Coo-Coo.”

• • After California Coo-Coo asked him for a reminder announcement related to a fast, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo sent out a Church Fast Reminder email to ministry, March 20, 2009, which stated:

Also, we are told to pray for the Holy Spirit. And God shows us in His Word, “But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues” (1 Corinthians 12:7-10).

• • Shortly afterwards that fast, perhaps after gaining more wisdom and prophetic gifts, during the Spring of 2009, California Coo-Coo acquired a difficult to attain book that he did not know existed previously (not available in regular bookstores or Amazon) on Byzantine (Greek Orthodox) Catholic prophecy. While he had been aware that certain old Roman Catholic prophecies seemed to possibly point to him personally, one or more ancient Byzantine ones, combined with certain biblical ones, seemed to be too specific to ignore. And they got him to look more into related biblical prophecies on the subject.

• • In late Spring/early Summer 2009, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo he was praying for the success of California Coo-Coo’s prophetic book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.

• • In the Summer of 2009, Dibar Apartian told California Coo-Coo, in quite a positive tone, that Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had been stating in meetings that California Coo-Coo may be a Coo-Coo.

• • Because of Dibar Apartian's statements, later that Summer or perhaps early Fall, California Coo-Coo asked Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, if he was part of top LCG level discussions stating that California Coo-Coo may be a Coo-Coo. He said yes.

• • Around this time California Coo-Coo had an apparently prophetic dream perhaps reminiscent of Joseph's dreams (Genesis 37:5-11) and Isaiah's vision to be sent (Isaiah 6:1-8), that somewhat like Peter's vision (Acts 10:17) he did not immediately understand, but like Peter (Acts 11:4-17), it seemingly became clearer once circumstances in the time since presented themselves and began to confirm it. 

• • To reduce the possibility of misunderstanding the Catholic and Byzantine predictions, as well as biblical prophecies related to the King of the North and God's witnesses, California Coo-Coo asked all the HQ Coo-Coos as well as his then local Coo-Coo (Dr. Hairspray) if they thought that it was possible that Satan or some of his demons could have seen any of Daniel’s visions or the revelation that the Apostle John observed.

• • Sometime after he got “possibly” or “perhaps” as an answer, in 2010 California Coo-Coo mentioned to Dibar Apartian that there seemed to be certain Roman Catholic and Byzantine prophecies, viewed in the light of Bible prophecy, that pointed to himself personally. Dibar Apartian then instructed California Coo-Coo to speak to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo. So, he contacted Monica Cormier who arranged for Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and California Coo-Coo to later have a private lunch meeting at the Feast of Tabernacles in Panama City.

• • In the late Summer of 2010, California Coo-Coo asked Dibar Apartian if he still thought California Coo-Coo was “the greatest threat to the church or 'the one.' “ He said California Coo-Coo was not the threat and said that he would try to talk to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo about California Coo-Coo’s prophetic situation, but it is not clear how, or even if, he did before he died later that year. But what was clear to California Coo-Coo was that Dibar Apartian (God rest his soul) believed then that God had a top lahdee-dah role for California Coo-Coo.

• • In Panama City in October 2010, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and California Coo-Coo met. In that meeting, California Coo-Coo mentioned one or two of the non-biblical prophecies to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo that seemed to point to California Coo-Coo—and Carolina #1 Coo-Coo advised caution (basically waiting for additional confirmation).

• • At the Feast of Tabernacles in Glenwood Springs in a private meeting related to literature corrections that California Coo-Coo requested, California Coo-Coo and Carolina #2 Coo-Coo also discussed the idea of California Coo-Coo being a Coo-Coo and one of the two Primo Coo-Coos (Carolina #2 Coo-Coo mentioned he had felt that he once thought that he, Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, would be one of the two Primo Coo-Coos). Carolina #2 Coo-Coo stated that he wanted to see additional confirmation related to California Coo-Coo and that this should be clearer over time. Carolina #2 Coo-Coo also commented that he felt his evangelical fruits were comparable to the evangelical fruits of California Coo-Coo.

• • In November and December 2011, California Coo-Coo counseled with his local Coo-Coo Dr. Hairspray and Gary Fudd Ehman about these matters. California Coo-Coo told both of them that he thought that he needed to have hands laid upon him again in order to validate the view that he might be some type of a prophet. They both told him that, in their view related to being a prophet, baptism was scripturally sufficient. While that sounded logical, the statement from the Apostle Paul to Timothy about getting hands laid upon him (1 Timothy 4:14) gave him personal pause. And that caution led to him pray more about it. Thus, instead of concluding that he had sufficient anointing, especially considering the relative enormity of some of the ramifications of this as a conclusion, he searched the scriptures and concluded that, perhaps like Gideon (Judges 6:36-40), that he would seek further outside confirmation, and preferably God would provide that from Charlotte.

• • On the morning of December 15, 2011, upon arriving at the Charlotte HQ of LCG, California Coo-Coo asked to meet with Gary Fudd Ehman as he wanted to get anointed for some non-debilitating matters as well as to ask him to pray that he be granted wisdom for his meetings with the HQ Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos. But he was not in. So instead, California Coo-Coo asked to meet with Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo (with whom he never had any discussions prior about him possibly being some type of prophet).

• California Coo-Coo asked Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo if he would do the anointing and pray that God would grant him wisdom for the meetings. He agreed. But while laying hands upon California Coo-Coo, Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo also happened (it was not planned nor did California Coo-Coo say anything to encourage this) to ask God to grant California Coo-Coo a “double-portion” of His Holy Spirit and anointed him. California Coo-Coo then attended a meeting with the Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos and he did not then have time to discuss what this might mean with Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo.

• • At another meeting with the Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos on December 16, 2011, Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo prayed, with “Amen” concurrence from Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, that California Coo-Coo would continue to do the work that God has had him do, etc. He also specifically called California Coo-Coo's writings/work “an additional bucket of poo-poo.” Hence, there was a concurrence with the evangelical and prophetic fruits of that work. The Charlotte Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos again promised to get to certain literature corrections that California Coo-Coo had brought up repeatedly overthe years.

• • At this 12/16/11 meeting, other matters related to California Coo-Coo and prophecy were discussed, including the fact that by then world events had already aligned with at least 20 predictions in California Coo-Coo’s book 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect. Additionally the fact that some of his speculative predictions about Karl Guttenberg and Julia Gillard that had come to pass since the October 2011 meeting with Carolina #2 Coo-Coo was also brought up. Since Carolina #2 Coo-Coo asked the most questions related to the prophetic fruits, he and California Coo-Coo also met privately about it.

• California Coo-Coo's private comment to Carolina #2 Coo-Coo was that perhaps the Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos should consider if those accurate speculative predictions are just coincidental or possibly the fruits of a prophet. Carolina #2 Coo-Coo seemed to discount that then, and later, despite the biblical admonition to not despise prophecies (1 Thessalonians 5:20).

• • From sunset 12/16/11 to sunset 12/17/11, the able faithful in LCG fasted, etc. A passage of scripture that California Coo-Coo read and re-read then was 1 Timothy 4:14-16 which he felt was more personal than ever then.

• • On Sunday 12/18/11 night at a family wedding reception, without discussing the matter, California Coo-Coo stared at Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo for a few moments, without saying anything and then asked, “Do you have any idea of what you may have accidently done?” Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo said, “Yes, I think so.”

• • The following Monday morning was California Coo-Coo's first opportunity to speak with Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo privately for more details about the anointing. California Coo-Coo asked him if it was his practice to pray that God grant a double-portion of His Spirit to people that he anoints, he said, no he had never done that for an individual before. California Coo-Coo asked him if he had any idea of what he may have been inadvertently led by God to do, and he said yes. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo also said that the only “double-portion” he recalled from the Bible was when Elisha became the replacement prophet and ecclesiastical leader for Elijah (2 Kings 2:9)—California Coo-Coo told him then that this was his recollection as well. Notice it was Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo, and not California Coo-Coo, who first stated this as a conclusion.

•  • Later on 12/19/11, California Coo-Coo felt compelled to try to meet with Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and tell him that it seemed his wife was to be hit hard with something and to discuss other matters. Because of other meetings he and California Coo-Coo both had that day, this type of meeting did not happen.

• • A few weeks later (Carolina #1 Coo-Coo’s letter dated 1/12/12), California Coo-Coo learned that Carolina #1 Coo-Coo's wife was stricken with stage four cancer. This seemed to confirm his earlier view (cf. Jeremiah 32:6-8).

• • In March 2012, it seemed time to mention the 12/15/11 anointing and what California Coo-Coo had tried to tell him about his wife to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo and he was able to do so in telephone conversation. Yet, first California Coo-Coo called Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo to let him know that someone may end up talking with him about the anointing. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo was fine with that and also said that he felt that the “double-portion” was related to “the passing of the mantle.” This gave California Coo-Coo a lot of pause to consider since that time.

• • On March 23, 2012, Carolina #1 Coo-Coo called California Coo-Coo and California Coo-Coo mentioned the anointing, some of Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo’s comments, and the prediction related to Carolina #1 Coo-Coo's wife. The biggest concern Carolina #1 Coo-Coo seemed to raise was that the anointing was from someone below Twinkle Toes or Pooper Scooper level. But biblically, as he knows, only a member of the eldership is required to anoint one as a prophet (cf. 1 Timothy 4:14) or apostle (cf.Acts 9:10-17).

• • In April 2012, during normal personal Bible study, California Coo-Coo was reminded about the time when Jehu dismissed an anointing to become king by one of God’s servants because he thought the man was some kind of a nut (2 Kings 9:11). There were apparently higher ranking ecclesiastical authorities at that time that God did not as directly use. Yet, that did not change the fact of the ordination, and Jehu became king (and no, this document is not trying to say that Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo is some kind of a nut, only that when he performed the anointing he was a duly ordained Coo-Coo of the Living Church of God and once hands are laid upon someone, this cannot be undone)—hence California Coo-Coo concluded that it would be wrong and quite presumptuous of him to overlook or somehow discount what was done. He personally had been cautious about whether or not he was possibly some type of an evangelizing prophet and getting an unexpected anointing suggesting that role from someone who had no idea that California Coo-Coo was praying about that, or possibly in that role, indicated that this could not be ignored. This seemed to be God’s timing and answer. Especially because California Coo-Coo had prayed about this so much in November and December 2011.

• • On June 3, 2012, California Coo-Coo sent Carolina #1 Coo-Coo a letter urging him to get involved on various literature and other matters that he and the other Charlotte Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos had agreed to in the December 2011 meetings (as well as earlier). Carolina #1 Coo-Coo had Carolina #2 Coo-Coo respond, which he did with a letter dated 6/28/12, but which contained various improper statements (including improperly condemning California Coo-Coo for improper presumptuousness), and which did not resolve the matters--Carolina #2 Coo-Coo suggested various officially published errors were unimportant (cf. Revelation 3:14-19).

• • On June 29, 2012, California Coo-Coo conveyed to Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo, Carolina #2 Coo-Coo's written comment in that letter suggestion that the conclusion as to what happened when he was anointed by Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo on 12/15/12 was “presumptuous.” Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo found it astounding that Carolina #2 Coo-Coo would have indicated that California Coo-Coo may have been presumptuous about this. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo felt that California Coo-Coo was exercisingproper caution and that to ignore what happened would seem to be against the will, and possibly plan, of God. Carolina Foo-Foo-Coo-Coo also stated to California Coo-Coo that it is God, and not, men who “appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets“ (1 Corinthians 12:28).

• • On July 14, 2012, California Coo-Coo watched Carolina #2 Coo-Coo's “Slap My Ass and Call Me Sally” sermon, saw that Protestant commentaries were often the basis for many statements made, etc. and it made him more strongly wonder if the mantle had been dropped and passed. Watching that sermon quickly resulted in changes at the COGwriter.com website and resulted in personal changes--including privately suspending my membership in LCG (I continued to cooperate and had hoped thatthey would properly address matters so that I would decide to reinstate my membership).

• • Later, on August 1, 2012, California Coo-Coo read a December 1986 Good News article by Leroy Thistle Snifter who wrote how to tell the differences between a true prophet and an imposter; and the next week, he found a Q&A titled “How else can we know if a person is a prophet of God?” covered in the September 1965 edition of the Plain Truth and an article on the laying on of hands in the April-May 1965 Good News. It seems that according to them, California Coo-Coo meets the true, not imposter, prophet criteria. Including having the fruits of a prophet like Jesus discussed (Matthew 7:15-16) (more on this matter is in an article at COGwriter.com titled How To Determine If Someone is a True Prophet of God).

• • On August 7, 2012, LCG spent money in a seeming attempt to try to prevent California Coo-Coo from possibly taking certain website steps, while California Coo-Coo continued to try to assist Charlotte in making various literature corrections.
• • On August 26, 2012, shortly after agreeing that a variety of errors that California Coo-Coo brought up needed to be corrected, Carolina #2 Coo-Coo told California Coo-Coo, “We all think that you might be a prophet.” In order in order to determine who “We all” was, on September 7, 2012, California CooCoo asked if this was a reference to all three of the LCG Charlotte-based Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos and Carolina #2 Coo-Coo concurred.

• • Yet, on September 6, 2012, with possible disregard of Matthew 18:15-17 and matters of prophetic authority (1 Corinthians 12:28), Carolina #1 Coo-Coo publically criticized California Coo-Coo without previously discussing the related matters with him; nor did Carolina #2 Coo-Coo take certain steps related to promises related to doctrinal matters (Revelation 3:14-19).

• • During the Feast of Tabernacles in October 2012, Honolulu Coo-Coo made a public statement in a sermon that seemingly contradicted Carolina #2 Coo-Coo’s testimony on August 26 and September 7, 2012 regarding prophets.

• • On October 8, 2012, California Coo-Coo briefly met with Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo to try to figure out how to get various matters (Carolina #2 Coo-Coo’s “Slap My Ass and Call Me Sally sermon,” literature errors, and the final phase of the work) dealt with. California Coo-Coo followed up and over the next two or so months provided information to Charlotte as he promised Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo.

• • On December 14, 2012, California Coo-Coo sent the Charlotte-based Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos an email, with an attached paper, on the Final Phase of the Work. (this was the last item to finish those that he promised Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo on 10/08/12). In the email, California Coo-Coo asked if those in Charlotte would correct various errors and asked if they wanted to work closer together or become more distant.

• • On December 15, 2012, California Coo-Coo saw a sermon from Carolina #2 Coo-Coo titled “Watch and Get Ready,“ in which Carolina #2 Coo-Coo, after referring to Protestant “commentaries“ declared that those who did not agree with his “Slap My Ass and Call Me Sally“ position were “blind to reality.“ This resulted in additional changes to some of the pages on COGwriter.com, etc.

• • Throughout the next week or two, California Coo-Coo put together a variety of items that he wanted to go over with Carolina #1 Coo-Coo concerning improper statements to the members, literature errors, broken promises, etc. to give Carolina #1 Coo-Coo a last opportunity to try to explain how LCG could possibly have not lost the Philadelphia mantle, but the real issues were not dealt with.

• • By December 22, 2012, reported events in the news had aligned with at least 32 predictions in California Coo-Coo's 2009 book titled 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect. Many, many more, not in the book, but in various posts on the internet, have also been confirmed. And while many (in the book or on the internet) would be considered common COG beliefs, many were more specific than the COG has tended to proclaim.

• • After receiving a letter emailed to him from Carolina #1 Coo-Coo (12/28/12) where he denied making statements that California Coo-Coo had documented in notes over the past several years, California Coo-Coo informed the regional LCG Pooper Scooper for the Arroyo Grande, CA area that he would no longer host a videogroup on behalf of LCG, other than to have a final service for those who are part of LCG on 12/29/12, as it was now 100% clear to California Coo-Coo that the Philadelphia mantle was not with LCG.

The fact is, that unlike the self-appointed leaders with COG-ties (like Ron Weinland, etc.), California Coo-Coo was told by the Carolina #1 Coo-Coo of the Living Church of God that God may consider him to be a Coo-Coo, to continue his evangelical efforts (and was also told to do that by others, including Carolina #1.2 Coo-Coo), that he (Carolina #1 Coo-Coo) possibly should have anointed California Coo-Coo to the office of a Coo-Coo. It seems that, perhaps because Carolina #1 Coo-Coo personally did not anoint California Coo-Coo, God took steps to get that anointing done by a properly ordained member of the eldership.

While God did have Ananias (described with the title of “disciple“ in Acts 9:10, probably a minister-level individual) lay hands upon Paul, no title was recorded as being given to Paul at that time (Acts 9:17). Yet later, Paul wanted to make it clear that he was an apostle because Jesus chose him, not any human organization (Galatians 1:1). Nor did he feel “inferior“ to the more “eminent apostles“ (2 Corinthians 11:5). Does this not have some parallels to what happened to California Coo-Coo? No man or group had gotten together to agree to anoint him with a “double-portion” of God’s Spirit in December 2011, but it did happen.

Carolina #2 Coo-Coo and others have stated in the past that Christians should “connect-the-dots” and that is something that seems to make sense here. As far as “prophetic fruits” go, California Coo-Coo has asked all the Charlotte Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos, “How many accurate speculations does it take before it counts?,” without getting an answer. He has also asked, “If I have ever shown myself to be a false Coo-Coo, please explain how or why,“ also without getting an answer.

What humans conclude related to California Coo-Coo's role does not, in one sense, matter. It is God who appoints true church leaders (Ephesians 4:11) “for the edifying of the body of Christ” (Ephesians 4:12).

What really does matter is God's will (John 7:17) and our submission to it (James 4:7). And it has not totally unfolded how He will work all the details out—but God’s plan will be accomplished.

The Bible is clear, “God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets…” ( 1 Corinthians 12:28) “And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some Twinkle Toe Coo-Coos, and some pastors and teachers” (Ephesians 4:11).

To the pure, all things are pure (Titus 1:15).

An article of possibly related interest may be: How To Determine If Someone is a True Coo-Coo of God There are many false Coo-Coos. How can Christians determine who is a true Coo-Coo?

 

Here is a draft that I hope to finish next week on beliefs: Draft Statement: Beliefs of the COO-COO-COG.

Bob Thiel: Continuing Ed Church of God Is All About "Love"

Now that prophet Thiel has started his own splinter group, he jumps out the door taking his first potshot at James Malm.  Malm is all about rules and regulations while prophet Thiel is all about LOVE.

What is the Philadelphia remnant of the Church of God really all about?
Is it simply a group or corporation who thinks it follows the right rules?
While rules are important (cf. John 14:15; Matthew 23:23), what is most important?
According to the Jesus, the apostles, and the late Herbert W. Armstrong, and the Continuing Church of God, love is what is most important.

If prophet Thiel wants to use Herbert Armstrong as the epitome of "love" then he is starting his cult off on the wrong track.  Herb was greatly lacking in the qualities of love!  Just look a how he treated his son, his wives, his sisters and his grand children. That alone makes him unworthy as an example of "love."

It is important for all to realize that despite flaws of Christians, including those of us of the Philadelphia remnant, that love is what God’s way of life and His kingdom are really all about.  And that spreading that message of love and all of God’s ways is what the Continuing Church of God wants to be about.

Bob Thiel: My Church Has Reached More People and Has More Members than Most of the Other COG's

Bob Thiel is now boasting that is new personality cult has more members and has reached more people in it's infancy stage of less than  a week than have most of the "300-700 groups that previously came out of the old Worldwide Church of God."

A few scattered individuals and groups, consisting of people that I do not know personally, have contacted me and declared that they want to support the Continuing Church of God. Though we are still quite small, counting them would make the Continuing Church of God larger than most of the allegedly 300-700 groups that previously came out of the old Worldwide Church of God. And in terms of gospel reach (on the internet at least), in less four days, it appears that we have reached more people with parts of the Bible's message than probably all the aforementioned groups currently smaller than the Continuing Church of God combined for the same period.

Rod Meredith Says Bob Thiel Was Prophesied To Cause Catholic Church Problems

Here are just a few of the reasons Bob Thiel claims he is a prophet of a god.  These are all his words not mine. It is clear there are some delusional thought processes going on here.

• On January 6, 2007, after hearing about a reference to a Catholic prophecy about a former Roman Catholic rising up and causing the Church of Rome problems at the end times, Dr. Meredith told Bob Thiel, “That is you.”  During this particular visit to Charlotte, Dr. Meredith discussed both the evangelical and other fruits of Bob Thiel’s writings.
• In August 2008, Bob Thiel told Davy Crockett, that if LCG was not going to deal with certain matters that he felt needed to be corrected (and that Dr. Meredith had seemingly agreed to  correct), that part of its top leadership (likely Dr. Meredith) was about to be hit with something bad.
• In September 2008, Dr. Meredith had his mini-stroke.  Davy Crockett seemed to feel that this could have fulfilled Bob Thiel’s warning. 

• On October 3, 2008, Dr. Meredith (who was unaware of that August 2008 warning), told Bob Thiel, “God may consider you to be a prophet.”  This came from the Presiding Evangelist of the Living Church of God.

• In January 2009, Dr. Meredith told Bob Thiel over the telephone that if he (Dr. Meredith) was raised to the office of apostle, he was considering ordaining Bob Thiel as a prophet.
• On February 4, 2009, Dr. Meredith told Bob Thiel over the telephone, “You have an in-depth understanding {of prophetic matters}—you could be a prophet.”   

Did you know that old Catholic prophecies pointed to directly to Bob Thiel?

• Shortly afterwards that fast, perhaps after gaining more wisdom and prophetic gifts, during the Spring of 2009, Bob Thiel acquired a difficult to attain book that he did not know existed previously (not available in regular bookstores or Amazon) on Byzantine (Greek Orthodox) Catholic prophecy.  While he had been aware that certain old Roman Catholic prophecies seemed to possibly point to him personally, one or more ancient Byzantine ones, combined with certain biblical ones, seemed to be too specific to ignore.  And they got him to look more into related biblical prophecies on the subject.

Bob's dreams are on par with Joseph and Isaiah.

• Around this time Bob Thiel had an apparently prophetic dream perhaps reminiscent of Joseph's dreams (Genesis 37:5-11) and Isaiah's vision to be sent (Isaiah 6:1-8), that somewhat like Peter's vision (Acts 10:17) he did not immediately understand, but like Peter (Acts 11:4-17), it seemingly became clearer once circumstances in the time since presented themselves and began to confirm it.  

Did you know that Bob Thiel and Doug Winnail will be the Two Witnesses?

• At the Feast of Tabernacles in Glenwood Springs in a private meeting related to literature corrections that Bob Thiel requested, Bob Thiel and Dr. Winnail also discussed the idea of Bob Thiel being a prophet and one of the two witnesses (Dr. Winnail mentioned he had felt that he once thought that he, Doug Winnail, would be one of the two witnesses).  Dr. Winnail stated that he wanted to see additional confirmation related to Bob Thiel and that this should be clearer over time.  Dr. Winnail also commented that he felt his evangelical fruits were comparable to the evangelical fruits of Bob Thiel.

Bob's work is an "additional" witnesses tot he church.   thanks to Rod Meredith and Richard Ames. We owe all of this to you.....

• At another meeting with the evangelists on December 16, 2011, Richard Ames prayed, with “Amen” concurrence from Dr. Meredith and Dr. D. Winnail, that Bob Thiel would continue to do the work that God has had him do, etc.  He also specifically called Bob Thiel's writings/work “an additional witness.”  Hence, there was a concurrence with the evangelical and prophetic fruits of that work.  The Charlotte evangelists again promised to get to certain literature corrections that Bob Thiel had brought up repeatedly over the years.

Bob gets a double does of the holy spirit:

• On Sunday 12/18/11 night at a family wedding reception, without discussing the matter, Bob Thiel stared at Gaylyn Bonjour for a few moments, without saying anything and then asked, “Do you have any idea of what you may have accidently done?”  Gaylyn Bonjour said, “Yes, I think so.”
• The following Monday morning was Bob Thiel's first opportunity to speak with Gaylyn Bonjour privately for more details about the anointing.  Bob Thiel asked him if it was his practice to pray that God grant a double-portion of His Spirit to people that he anoints, he said, no he had never done that for an individual before.  Bob Thiel asked him if he had any idea of what he may have been inadvertently led by God to do, and he said yes.  Gaylyn Bonjour also said that the only “double-portion” he recalled from the Bible was when Elisha became the replacement prophet and ecclesiastical leader for Elijah (2 Kings 2:9)—Bob Thiel told him then that this was his recollection as well.  Notice it was Gaylyn Bonjour, and not Bob Thiel, who first stated this as a conclusion.

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Bob Thiel Says I AM a Prophet!

Prophet Thiel jumps out the door with his firsts jab at Rod Meredith, Global and Living Church of God.  Now that these lost souls are the true Laodiceans, prophet Thiel is quick to point out to them that he alone now runs the worlds most important ministry that will reach more people in it's first 30 days than Global Church of God ever did under Meredith.

Prophet Thiel's message is more mind boggling than Dave Pack's beliefs.  It is more important and far reaching than Dave Packs new and improved web site and Church.  God apparently is now only working through the one and  only TRUE end time prophet.

As far as gospel proclamation, I will make a prediction right here and right now. The Continuing Church of God will reach more people in its first 30 days of existence with the COG message than any COG that came out of the old Worldwide Church of God or old Global Church of God did in their first 30 days. This will be accomplished with various internet websites, radio interviews, and personal contact. I expect to report the results in case any want to see proof by the end of next month.

Dave Pack must be shivering in his boots right now.  Poor guy!

Prophet Thiel is also quick to point out that he is now accepting tithe money.  Since he is the only one in charge he will use the money as he sees fit for trips and prophecy warnings.

Some have wondered about tithing and what the Continuing Church of God plans to do with any donations. First, let me state that unless anyone is hired (and no one, not me, is on the payroll), all monies received will be used for gospel proclamation, feeding the flock (which may include travel to various regions), and necessary administration expenses (which should be fairly low).

For those that thought prophet Thiel could not gain followers, he just says he has.  It goes to prove that there are true morons in the world that will fall for anything.

Why am I calling Theil a prophet?  Because he is coming out claiming he has 100's of proofs that he is a prophet!  Ho hum.................................

Various ones have asked for a listing of prophetic fruits, which would be one valid way to help determine (according to Jesus per Matthew 7:15-20) if one may be a prophet of God.

In my case, there is a listing of 32 related to my 2012 book at the beginning of the article End of Mayan Calendar 2012--Might 2012 Mean Something?; 7 related to Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg in the article Might German Baron Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg become the King of the North?; 1 related to China and Australian Prime Minister Julian Gilliard is mentioned in the article USA and Australia Concerned About Chinese Military; Chinese Concerned about Australia-USA Military Co-operation. And if one goes through the details of past news and other articles at the COGwriter.com website, the total seems to be in the hundreds.

The prophet Thiel also wants you to know he will be ridiculed and laughed at for proclaiming himself a prophet.

While many would be considered common COG beliefs, many were more specific than the COG has tended to proclaim (and without the errors that some in the COG have tended to have had). And of course, some will try to pick at them and discount them in the near future--so yes, I am making that as a specific prediction. I will also predict that some who will be quick to jump to improper conclusions, as opposed to doing in-depth study and prayer into the truth, will ridicule me reporting about all of this.

Prophet THiel is barely out the door with his new cult and he is already suffering "persecution addiction."

Prophets have long been ridiculed and doubted by the political and religious establishments (e.g. Isaiah 57:4; Lamentations 3:14), including claimed believers (Jeremiah 42:22, 43:1-7), and this will continue until the end (cf. 2 Peter 3:1-7). Do not be surprised when false statements appear about me (Matthew 5:10-12) even from ones who claim to be COG (Acts 20:30). Jesus warned that evil things would be said against those who truly follow Him (Matthew 5:10-12) (see also the news post Persecution and the article Persecutions by Church and State). Some are more comfortable making improper accusations or staying on the sidelines than they are in standing for the truth and/or further investigating the truth, but those approaches come with a cost of at least reward forfeiture (cf. Matthew 10:25-41).

He boasts again about his prophetic abilities:

12/29/12 p.m. Based upon some of the emails that I have received, let me make it clearer as to why I left LCG. 1) It had nothing directly to do with LCG not sufficiently recognizing my prophetic abilities/role. 

Bob Thiel Starts New Splinter Personality Cult

Bob Thiel, the self appointed world renown authority on prophecy, the Mayans, Catholicism and God's truth.has finally come clean with his announcement that he was formed his very own splinter cult of the Church of God.  Since Herbert Armstrong started his little group well over 700 groups have broken off over the decades, Each one claiming they were carrying on the true mantle that the previous group was ignoring.

Word has been circulating for months that Thiel was having big issues with Living Church of God despite his slobbering posts on how great the LCG was.  Hypocrisy in the Church of God apparently has no boundaries.

Rod Meredith, after spending a week with Thiel haranguing him finally sent Thiel a letter kicking him out of LCG.

...I have been trying to resolve many matters with those in Charlotte and telephoned Dr. Roderick C. Meredith every day this week.

Instead of speaking with me, a few hours ago I received a factually incorrect letter from Dr. Roderick C. Meredith.  Based upon its tone, numerous inaccurate statements, accusations, and his unwillingness to address the real issues that I wanted to bring up, this letter is 100% proof (to me at least) that my view that the Living Church of God lost the ‘Philadelphia mantle’ in 2011 or 2012.   I am saddened by this development and had hoped to avoid having to make a variety of decisions.  But, God’s will is to be done (Matthew 6:10; 1 John 2:17).

Even apostle Malm saw through that statement Malm writes:

It appears that Bob Thiel has received a letter from Rod Meredith disfellowshipping him, and Bob never a man to admit coming in second is saying that he left LCG months ago.

The Church of God cannot have two big ego's at it's head.  Meredith and Thiel cannot both be true leaders.

About an hour ago, I signed various notarized documents to declare the start of a new organization.  It is legally to be called the Continuing Church of God Overseer and successors, a corporation sole.  Next week, the corporate documents are to be filed–but legally CCOG now exists as a real church.  The late Herbert W. Armstrong formed a corporate sole in the 1970s and this seemed to be the best available option for me in California.

The Church of God is a dead church, why would anyone want to "continue" it???  It no longer has anything of value to offer the world.  The Church used to have a vision, however misguided it was, that it kept members longing for.  Now the members are leaving in droves because there is no vision.  There is no worthwhile message, no unity, no hope and no brotherly love.  Greed, avarice and vanity are the catchwords of the day now when describing the Church of God.

So what is that special new message that Thiel is proclaiming?

The Church will commonly likely be known as the Continuing Church of God, probably abbreviated as the CCOG.

We expect to best represent the true remnant of the Philadelphia era of the original Church of God that began on Pentecost in Acts 2 (c. 31 A.D.)

Oh give it a rest Bob! We have heard that same phrase used by each of the 700 some splinter personality cults over the last several decades.  Every single one has proven to be liars and frauds. All this move does is provide another money stream for Thiel.

Our mailing address is Continuing Church of God, 1248 E. Grand #A, Arroyo Grande, CA 93420.  And yes, in the USA, donations postmarked by 12/31/2012 are immediately tax deductible.  For those who in live in the State of California, we signed a declaration to apply for the determination letter from California, which, for those in California is legal assurance of the deductibility of donations in California (they are now 100% deductible in all the other US states).

Can people really be stupid enough to join up with him?  Apparently so!  He claims:

It is important for all to realize that despite flaws of Christians, including those of us of the Philadelphia remnant, that love is what God’s way of life and His kingdom are really all about.  And that spreading that message of love and all of God’s ways is what the Continuing Church of God wants to be about.
This message was subject the first service of the Continuing Church of God which was held earlier today.

If they are dumb enough to follow Malm, you can be guaranteed that some will follow Thiel.

Is David Hulme's Personality Cult Imploding?

Poor David Hulme has never been of any success since he walked out on the Worldwide Church of God in the mid to late 1990's.  Prior to that he had a large home on the college campus, drove a Jaguar, wore expensive suits and reveled in the high life.  His self importance was bigger than he was as a person.  For a while he was the public face of the WCG's new doctrinal changes and was an advocate of the trinity.  He was placed over the Auditorium Concert series which made his ego even larger.  One publicity stunt after another was done in the Auditorium in order to make him and the Church look legitimate in the worlds eyes.

Hulme went from living the high life with an office facing the mountains, to getting kicked out of United Church of God, to a small craftsman style house on South Marengo as his mini-cult HQ.  Like other COG's he started producing a slick magazine to appeal to the world.  Also, like other COG's, it was a magazine embarrassed to talk about Jesus Christ.  Long articles were written ending with a couple of paragraphs about some god that was supposedly really, really pissed at humanity.

Not long after his wife died he married a woman who was close to the same age as his daughter.  Tongues started wagging and some people left.  Because of the lack of younger members in the little group some members started dating outside the church.  Hulme did not like that and threw down a lot of edicts that isolated members even further from society.

Now word is spreading that the Hulmerous Church of God is losing members.  Silenced is reporting: Hulme's Cult Imploding?

We’ve received word recently, from some pretty reliable sources/ex-members of David Hulme’s Church of God, an International Community (COGIC), that the cult deemed the fifth largest COG group is quickly imploding. Word is that Hulme has taken a Flurry-esque turn and there’s been a sharp uptick in the number of excommunications and people heading for the exits.

What we’re interested in is to what extent that’s true, and what the current condition of Hulme’s cult is? We know it’s always been obscure, even for a COG group, and that it’s never flexed the same kind of media muscle as even RCG has. They have been very locked down since Hulme was fired from UCG’s presidency in 1998. What’s happened to it since then is rather sketchy, and we would love to know more. Breaching the information control of these little cults can be pretty difficult though.

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LCG Speaks Out Against Thiel And Those "marching to their own drum"

For quit sometime now Living Church of God knew it had a problem concerning Bob Thiel and his writings.  Thiel has labeled himself as the worlds foremost authority on end time prophecy usurping Rod Meredith of that honor.  His condescending blog directed at other Churches of God labeling them as all Laodicians has not set will with many.  .  The complaints from members reached such a crescendo that Bob had to have a meeting with Doug Winnail and Rod Meredith recently.

Apparently that meeting did little to slow the rantings of Thiel.  Those rantings have had an impact on LCG members and the authority of the Church.  Many members have questioned why the church has allowed Bob to run off at the mouth about so many subjects over the years as the worlds best authority.  They have complained to LCG HQ a lot about Bob.  

Now LCG has spoken out about those in LCG who set themselves up as authorities and "march to a different drum."

Doug Winnail writes on December 20th:

‘Blessings of Unity: David wrote, “how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity” (Psalm 133:1). Jesus said, “I and My Father are one” (John 10:30), and He prayed for His disciples, “that they may be one as We are” (John 17:11). The Scriptures reveal that the disciples had different personal perspectives (Acts 2; Galatians 2), but they learned to work together as a coordinated team to achieve their mission (2 Peter 3:14-16). They obviously realized that if each marched to his own drum, the job they were given would not get done. This is why the Apostle Paul stated that as we do the Work of God we need to be respectful and patient with each other, “endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Ephesians 4:1-3). Paul also emphasized there is “one body and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism” and the work of the ministry involves fostering the unity of the faith and not being split apart by different ideas about methods or doctrine (Ephesians 4:4-16). As we are led by the same Spirit, we will see divisions diminish and we will be more “perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” (1 Corinthians 1:10). Peace, harmony and unity in the Church of God will become visible fruits when we are led by God’s Spirit.’

UCG Budget cuts

 As the money continues to drain from UCG's coffers, they have instituted the following budget cuts.  I still do not see any budget cuts for UCG executives, Council of Elders, Evangelists or ministers.  When will they set the example?

• Reduce mileage reimbursement by 20%;

• Reduce subsidies overall for U.S. congregations by 16%;

• Reduce subsidies overall for international areas by 16%;

• Use online ministerial training in lieu of a ministerial development conference

• Postpone area ministerial conferences;

• Conduct Senior Pastor & UYC Camp director conferences by video conference

• Reduce travel reimbursement by limiting travel outside of church circuits

• Reduce travel budget to international areas by 44%.

Media and Communications Services: ($1.4 million):

• Reduce The Good News (GN) magazine from 48 pages to 40;

• Renew GN subscriptions more often to reduce the print run and related costs (as well as consolidate the mailing list with more motivated subscribers)

• Curtail direct mail card packs and outside magazine print advertising for The Good News and our booklets;

• Drop World Harvest Network for televising the Beyond Today program while maintaining coverage on WGN America and the Word Network

• Suspend home office paid Internet advertising for our literature in all areas outside of the United States to reduce GN and booklet circulation costs to those areas;

• Publish United News six times a year instead of ten;

• Move Vertical Thought, our teen and young adult magazine, from print to a solely online production for the time being;

• Publish the United Youth Camps brochure in the February issue of United News rather than as a separate item;

• Reduce the Spanish and Portuguese publishing budgets;

• Reduce funding for bulk literature sent to our international offices.

Aaron Dean identified other ways to economize:

• Modify healthcare program, adding employee premiums, raising deductibles;

• Transfer funding of international ministers’ travel to the annual meeting of the General Conference of Elders from home office to each international region;

• Conduct at least one video conference for the Council of Elders each year, and more when appropriate, to save travel costs;

• Visiting ministers will stay with home office employees during conferences and be served economical lunches and dinners at the home office to save hotel and restaurant expenses.

E. W. King; My Prophecies Have Come True

E W King is gloating on his blog today that two prophecies he made earlier in the year have come true. 

He predicted solar flares and tornadoes.

On the Christ-mas tornadoes:

Christ-mas tornadoes????
Today, December 25,2012, we see rare tornados hitting the states. A major winter storm sweeping through the United States could tangle holiday travel plans in the central United States and even in the South, as could a weaker storm moving through the Northeast.
The Northeast storm will likely bring a “wintry mix” to cities of the I-95 corridor and east to the coast but could still be detrimental to holiday travelers,
On the official COGSR website there is a whole list of these predictions since April 2011. Stay tooned for more prophecy fulfillments!

He describes himself talking about solar flares:

Mr. E.W.King predicted that the solar cycle would get off to an earlier time than expected. He stated:
“Our sun has a solar storm cycle which comes every 11 years. Sometime in November of 2012 we should begin to see an increase in solar activity. Long lasting solar storms may damage high-latitude power grids.”
And what do we see has happened?
· The Sun erupted with two prominence eruptions, one after the other over a four-hour period on Nov. 16, 2012, between the hours of 1 and 5 a.m. EST.

I tremble at his awesomeness.....where can I send my money?

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