New COG Splinter Cult: Church of God Speaking to the Remnant

        -E.W.King

            “Christian Reality....the spin stops here!” 

Here is a crazy Armstrongite splinter cult I have not heard of.  It is run by E. W. King. King is spokesman for the Church of God Speaking To The Remnant splinter cult.  Below are just a few of the silly things King has written.  All revealed knowledge learned at the feet of Herbert W Armstrong.

There is also the false idea of so called “Christian Psychology”. Did Jesus teach this? I think not. There is a place for medical doctors but not a place for fake philosophy and so called, “Psycho-therapy”. Many have left the true teachings of the Church of God to follow the 500 plus psychotherapeutic myths. Can true Christian teachers [counselors] help people who need direction in life? Absolutely! If these people who need help have some chemical imbalance then science can indeed help. But to dismiss God's perfect moral law and the influence of the true Holy Spirit is blasphemy!

Kings recipe for healing lays in following Herbert W Armstrong and keeping the law.

Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong stated: “Education in the civilized world today has become entirely materialistic. Education has become a combination of the agnosticism of evolution, the politics and economics of Karl Marx and the morals and social patterns of Sigmund Freud. Higher education remains in utter ignorance of the mystery of mankind and of human civilization.” [from Mystery of the Ages, ch.3 “The Mystery of man”]

I have hope that many who have been confused by false teachers will begin to listen to God. I would like to help point you to God's word. Only in God's word will you find true answers. Mr. E.W.King gives warning of a Dangerous False Teaching

In another article Kings rails against cults...First of all, he wants you to know that those that have left Armstrong ism were actually kicked out for being grievous sinners.  It is people like you and me that killed all the Apostles and Jesus because we criticize Armstrongism.

Sadly, many who know anything about the true “Worldwide Church of God” have gotten their information off of websites or out of books by people who no longer even believe in God. Many of these misfits were told to leave the Church because they abused their wife, practiced homosexuality, taught false doctrine, etc. After refusing to admit their sins and become clean in God's eyes, they instead chose the path of sin and began to make false accusations against the true Church. Anger consumes them! “For their heart studieth destruction, and their lips talk of mischief.” [Proverbs 24:2]

Most of the hateful information found on these websites and books is arrogant jargon. They make claims that all true members of the Church are “evil”, “confused”, “lost”, etc. The fact is, these people should be testing all claims based on what the Bible says, not what any man says. I challenge all people who visit this website and read my articles to test it all against the Word of God. The fact is, these people just do not want to live the Christian life. Thats okay but why so much anger against the truth? This should not surprise us. These types killed almost all the apostles and hung Jesus from a stake. Making a clean break from false worship may not be very fun. Jesus warned that one's relatives may oppose such a course. But if we are called of God this should make no difference in our decision. [Matthew 10:32-37] If we truly love God we will run to Him. We will throw away all of our false doctrines and cherish the TRUTH!

It is true that after the first latter day apostle's death many broke away from the true Worldwide Church of God and started cults. Many of these groups have leaders who use scare tactics, power tactics and even pay people to help them control others. This also should not surprise the true Christian. The apostle Paul from the Bible warned: “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” [Acts 20:29,30] Paul must have only understood ONE TRUTH if he was warning others not to follow a “false truth”. 

According to King, all 600 some of these splinter groups are cults, but the Church of God Speaking to the Remnant is not. As usual it is the only group preaching the restored truth.

Then King goes on and makes this incredibly absurd comment:

Many so called “christian” teachers go by titles such as “prophet” and or “apostle” but of course they do not meet the Biblical test.  How can we expose a cult? By seeing if what the group claims to be true agrees with the Bible. Let us look at one of the most powerful cults that all so called “protestant” groups are connected with. If I told you that I belonged to a church that used to kill people. But not just kill people, this church would cut babies out of their mothers wombs, they would burn people alive very slowly. They would stick pulls up peoples back end as far as it would go. And then I told you: “But my church doesn't do that anymore. Now we just pray to a lady named Mary and some other dudes whom we have pictures and statues of. Oh, we also have the main guy of our church who stands in the place of Jesus Christ [Vicar of Christ]. He lives in a big fancy castle where only he and other special men can go. There are no women allowed.”

King goes on to write:

Now if I told you something this shocking would you still want to join my church? Hhhmm This is very interesting. The church which I just described is the Roman Catholic church. Many people I know who are members of this sick fallen apostate Harlot continue to tell me that the Church of God is a cult. Hhhhmmm The Church of God has never killed people. The Church of God doesn't worship idols or a man. The Church of God follows the Bible.

I have news for King, people HAVE died because of Armstrongism.  They have died because they were not allowed to get medical treatment.  They have died from shootings. They have died from suicides because people found no hope left after being immersed in Armstrongite thought.  Thousands HAVE died because of the teachings of the Church.  That is a documented FACT!

King then moves on to more characteristics of cults:

Another aspect of cults is the fact that they use fear to try and control their people. Now we must remember that there is such a thing as “healthy fear”. We should be afraid of those trying to hurt us and then follow what God's word says to stay protected. Now Jesus only had 12 apostles and He told them that He was the Messiah, the King of the coming Kingdom, He told them that He was GOD in the flesh, He warned them about the coming destruction of this planet. He warned them about evil spirits and “seducers of men”. Jesus did say a lot of astonishing things and made a lot of astonishing claims. There is no doubt about this. During the Christian Pentecost mentioned in the book of Acts only 120 disciples made up the first church. Remember, the true “flock” of Christ has always been small. My point is, from a true Biblical perspective it is okay to warn people about the Great Tribulation. It is okay to warn people about “false doctrine” and “false teachers”. As a matter of fact, true Christians are commanded to do such things.

For those who have the true Gospel be prepared for hard times! We [true Christians] have the TRUTH, not “a truth”. When we fail sometimes to live up to the truth we find many around us begin to swarm in like flies to begin the “breaking down” process. These are nothing but demonic attacks to try and discourage you and make you turn from God's truth. Just because a Christian fails sometimes to live a perfect life it does not change the fact that Saturday is Sabbath, Jesus is Lord, and His one true church is the one and only Worldwide Church of God.

Sadly, many who do not want the true Christian message will continue to call God and His ONE TRUE CHURCH, the church Jesus built, a cult.

Exposing Christian Cults

 I find it hard to believe that there are still nutjobs out there that think the Worldwide Church of God STILL is a "True" church!  Give it a rest!  It should be obvious by now that it NEVER was.

These are the qualifications that are required for his followers:

How this ministry works and operates is outlined in the following:

1-Those who have studied Mr. E.W.King’s messages and believe what they say to be true and have been members of the original Worldwide Church of God or who have come out of any one of the false splinter or offshoot groups may join and participate in this ministry.

2-Those who have come out of false denominations or are coming into the truth for the first time may also join and participate.

3-Our members meet in their personal homes to keep the Sabbath. They receive Mr. E.W.King’s CD messages and Bible studies. These should be used in Bible study. Members also get an occasional news letter.

4-All home churches must operate under true Church Government. People who feel called to a specific office may operate under that office. Speaker Elders are given authority to baptize members and lay hands on them for the gift of the Holy Spirit.

5-Tithes and offerings are used by local members to promote the teachings of Mr. Herbert Armstrong as God call’s them to do so. No tithes or offerings are required to be given to this ministry directly [Church of God ~ Speaking to the Remnant].

6-Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong is understood to be the only last living authoritative apostle of this ministry. Jesus Christ is the only living head of this ministry. COGSR sees itself as the only ministry that truly holds to the truth as taught in the original Worldwide Church of God.

7-The book “Mystery of the Ages” is required reading by all members and is used as the central study text next to the Bible. Members may put together their own study materials that can be used in their home church. If you have nobody to fellowship with you may still keep the Sabbath and follow the rules as listed in this document.

8-Members should contact Mr. E.W.King and let them know how their local home churches are doing. All home churches are to encourage one another and help when and where they can.

9-There are no other obligations. Members who start their home churches receive membership status and official certificates of membership. Members are encouraged to write articles that can be shared amongst fellow members. Speaker elders may also record their messages to be used in the church.

Restored Church of God Receives Partial Approval To Build Monument to Dave Pack

Davie Pack has received partial approval to build his monument to himself in the middle of Ohio. The Post has an article describing what Pack wants to build and the city ordinances he has to pass. Perhaps people can write in and let the City Planning Commission know what kind of cult is in their midst.  You have until February 13th to let them know the monstrosity in their midst. Entire article is here: Church planning campus, world headquarters Commission approves plat, tables site plan approval

"I'd recommend that the commission grant the variances to subdivision regulations for the sidewalks on the south side of Ambassador Drive and also allow the right of way width of Ambassador Drive to taper from 80 feet to 60 feet and also to allow the roadway to taper down to 28 feet. And I think at the point that the right of way and street width begins to narrow is best determined with the city engineer ... and then I'd recommend that the commission approve the preliminary plat that would extend Ambassador Drive and split city lot 9679 into two lots subject to the three conditions listed in the staff report," Kaiser said.

Members of the planning commission then unanimously voted to approve the preliminary plat and grant the requested variances.

Moving onto the site plan, Kaiser presented the submitted plans for developing the complex, which will consist of six buildings. As envisioned, the church would like to construct a 34,000 square -foot administration building, an auditorium with seating for up to 450 people, a 7,200 square-foot office building and training facility, a 5,400 square-foot mail processing center and two dormitories, each with accommodations for 20 people.

"It does appear that all of the usages comply with intent of the C5 district, which is really to provide space for office buildings for business, industry and nonprofit organizations and engage primarily in general office uses and professional services. I'd also point out that churches are conditionally permitted in C5 districts," Kaiser said.
Kaiser said that the development does meet zoning code setback requirements. The commission also reviewed the planned parking facilities, as well as future sites that could be used to expand parking facilities if necessary.
Following the initial site plan presentation, Kaiser said that the applicant is working on completing a traffic study analysis, which could possibly show a need for improvements to Akron Road. In addition, the applicant has been asked to submit a photometric plan and a revised architectural plan indicating the height of several of the complex buildings, including the auditorium. Finally, some additional clarifications regarding the site plan were requested by the city engineer, the fire department and the electric department.

"There are some issues that need to be addressed before approval. I'd recommend that the commission table any action on the site plan approval until the next meeting in order to allow the applicant time to address any questions ... we would also have access to the traffic study results at that time," Kaiser said.
Commissioners, after speaking with the project engineer and Scott Clark, a representative from the Restored Church of God, voted to table action on the site plan review until the commission's next meeting, which is scheduled for Feb. 13 at 7 p.m.

One thing we do learn is that that Dave's Mini-Me group has close to 125 people who attend on Saturdays.  Obviously this has to be the largest congregation because it is the cult HQ.  That means all of the rest of  RCG's churches are less than 100.  Most likely less than 50.  It is no wonder that his little cult has no more than 2,200 people in it!  Even Six Pack Flurry has more members than Pack!

Local Saturday worship services, which are held between 2 and 3 p.m. depending on the season, attract about 125 people. Services are not open to the public, Clark said.

Apostle Malm Says Chances Are High You Are NOT A True Christian

The Apostle does not think too highly of most Church of God members. You are just a bunch of lazy, blinded Laodiceans!  He has this to say about all of you:

It can take many tons of ore to produce one ounce of gold. God is refining his gold. There is always more chaff than wheat. Many are called and FEW are chosen and the Laodiceans are among the chosen when they repent. In God’s plan the remnant is always the much larger group or number; for his faithful are a “little flock”. Do not be deceived by numbers. There are approximately 50,000 who would call themselves Armstrong based COG people; the ppeopele I am writing about [God has others in his flocks]. Of those perhaps only about half or 25,000 are even converted. Of those probably a maximum of half will turn to God in zeal before the trib, and probably far less. Most of the remainder will repent during the trib remembering the warnings. I would expect that there will be a few hundred to a thousand or so pillars who take a stand on God’s word before the trib; the majority will face correction after they have been solidly warned. Then in the trib they will be an example through faithful obedience unto death and many others will also repent from their example. The pillars who are mainly independent minded people will have to learn to work and cooperate together in the widerness. God knows how to save his people! James

Why has Armstrongism created such arrogant impotent little men like this?

Apostle Malm Looking For TRUE COG Members To Coordinate a Feast Site (UPDATED)

The Apostle Malm is looking for any willing MEN who are TRUE Christians, that are new moon keeping, don't eat out in restaurants on the "sabbath", and who have their wives under control, to help organize a Feast site this year.

Apostle Malm instructed his followers to stay in their own churches last year and attend at their regular Feast sites because he did not have the means to organize one. Now he claims, because of thousands who are following his words that there may be a need this year.  The problem is he is not quit sure on how many would come.  Most of his readers are fence sitters who are waiting to see if any of his predictions come true. They agree with his writings but are gun shy in jumping into his ship considering all the other failed Apostles out there.

These fence sitters are perturbing him.  They don't seem to really trust the Apostle.  He blames that on the proven track record of HWA and others making thousands of failed prophecies over the years, for teaching false doctrines and other sundry things that he, The Apostle, has corrected in this end time age.  Perhaps if they could all meet together and learn together then they would start supporting him more financially.

The Apostle writes:

In other words about 6-7 thousand persons are seeing the entire content and are interested enough to continue doing so for almost two year, while thousands of others come when they hear of posts of personal interest.

I have been putting out news of the COG Groups, doctrine and prophecy.

I do know that there are many brethren and elders who do agree with me on most of the doctrine including the Calendar, New Moons etc.  I also know that they are gun shy because of their past experience.

Many people find the doctrine positive and uplifting, but they are afraid of the prophecy and are waiting for the fruits to become evident;  is he right or wrong?

I have also written of doctrinal error and change and many are waiting to see that as well.

In addition I have advised everyone to remain where they are until they are convinced in their
own minds that the fruits warrant a decision.

At this time the situation is that many thousands throughout all the COG Groups; especially the independents. UCG, COGWA and LCG have received a sound witness of these things and are sitting on the fence waiting for the fruits as Jesus Christ has commanded.

A few hundred, widely scattered worldwide are already convinced and want a Feast of Tabernacles.

I cannot organize such a Feast as I have none of the needed resources and these folks are far too widely scattered.

If there are any groups who find that they are in agreement with the doctrine etc at this site and they will hold the Feast on the correct date, which is a day later than the Rabbinic calendar, and who would have space for others; please contact me at jddm3@hotmail .com

All I can say though, as the person taking on this job had better be prepared for the end times to also happen at the tail end of the Feast.  Are they ready for that to happen?  The Apostle has laid out some things that need to happen first.  So any job applicant had better keep these in mind:

1)   A broad regional Mideast war resulting in victory over Islamic Mahdi Extremism and regime change in Iran and Syria.

2)   A governmental change in Israel.

3)   A genuine dialogue for peace in the region.

4)  Most likely the death of Benedict XVI in late Aug.

5)   The abomination being set up in the papacy on or close to 16 Sep.

 6)   Political and economic crisis which brings on; a solution and call for a New Europe from this final false prophet.

7)  The Feast of Tabernacles will come and the hot topic will be this abomination and the warnings from this Blog; as well as the Bob Thiel false prophecy that a major work must be done; AFTER peace is confirmed and BEFORE the tribnulation begins.  This man has deceived LCG and their friends in UCG who then broke away to do an expected ”Elihah Work”.

8)   After the Feast the two  large remaining COG Groups will meet over the situation and discuss cooperation to do the Elijah work, as they have been deceived into believing they will have to do.

9)   God’s two prophets will be empowered to give a final warning and to take the faithful away to their place,before continuing to work at witnessing and warning the world for their full time.  The real “Elijah Work”.

10)   A peace agreement and the deployment of peace keepers around Jerusalem and Israel.

11)   At about the 75 day mark after he was made Pope, this abomination will go to the Holy Place and an announcement that peace has been achieved will be made; followed by the immediate start of the tribulation.

12)   Failing to get at the faithful, Satan will go out to persecute those who did not believe or act on the warnings, the majority that stayed behind to do the “Elijah Work” as they have been deceived ;  and many will immediately repent when they see their error and their fears come upon them.

Here is what will be happening at the end of the Feast his year (2012):

In 2016, from the time that the resurrection would take place on the 6th day of ULB up to and completeing the day before Pentecost is 45 days.  That will not come again for several more years and along with the imminent war, and the frailty of this pope;  makes this year stand out.

From 16 Sep 2012 to 16 Dep 2015 is three years.  One half year more brings us to spring 2016.

Counting 1,290 days from 16 Sep 2012 brings us to the sixth day on Unleavends on Mar 30 2016, another 45 days ends on Sabbath May 14th with Pentecost the next day.

Dan 12:10   And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, [to allow the abomination to be set up as pope] and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.  Then the resurrection.
¹²Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh [continues to] to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
¹³But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot [inheritance] at the end of the days.

Those extra 45 days will see the marriage of the Lamb and the seven last plagues poured out;  Pentecost will be a New Beginning with the establichment of the Kingdom of the New Covenant!

We will get to soon witnesses, once again, another lying Church of God member  proven to be a fool.  How many more lives will be damaged because of this imbecile?

Prophet Thiel: "True" Christians will NOT Be Watching the Super Bowl

Prophet Thiel is on his yearly rant about the evils of American style football. To Prophet Thiel it is another satanic conspiracy to deceive the elect.

With all the truly many evils in the world, that Thiel and the Living Church of God NEVER talk about, he speaks out against football. You never see Prophet Thiel or the LCG doing anything for the homeless and the marginalized.  They hold themselves aloof by saying, "It is not our problem in this age. God is going to correct it soon, and the world will be in true happiness and peace."  They never seem to realize that with the coming of Christ and his many miracles he was already bringing the Kingdom to earth.  While not in it's entirety, it was through small bits and pieces that restore peoples lives.

Anyway, I digress.  Back to the most Holy of the COG Prophets.

Prophet Thiel was incensed by a CNN news program that discussed the injuries received by football players.  Then the Prophet makes an astounding jump to ancient Rome.  Because most American football cames are played in coliseums, the Prophet links to the various activities carried on in Rome's coliseums.

The Prophet writes:

In the time of ancient Rome, violent sports were also popular.
Were they viewed by many of those that professed Christ?
It does not appear so.

The Prophet then has to admit that there is NO information out there that TRUE Church of God members did not watch coliseum sports.  However, he quickly makes this leap of faith:

While we do not seem to have many direct references from those in the Church of God, we do have some written records of those who were at least somewhat familiar with the teachings of Jesus and the practices of the earliest Christians.

Remember folks, there are no TRUE Christians outside the Church of God so these people must have heard SOME of the TRUTH but rejected the rest of it.

The Prophet then quotes an early Christian whom Prophet Thiel thinks was a TRUE Church of God member:

Here is something from Theophilus of Antioch (who probably was part of the Church of God)...

Consider, therefore, whether those who teach such things can possibly live indifferently, and be commingled in unlawful intercourse, or, most impious of all, eat human flesh, especially when we are forbidden so much as to witness shows of gladiators, lest we become partakers and abettors of murders. But neither may we see the other spectacles, lest our eyes and ears be defiled,

So, true Christians did not believe that they were to watch the violent sports so popular in the second century.

Athenagoras, a professing Christian apologist, wrote around 170 A.D.:

What man of sound mind, therefore, will affirm, while such is our character, that we are murderers?…
Who does not reckon among the things of greatest interest the contests of gladiators and wild beasts, especially those which are given by you? But we, deeming that to see a man put to death is much the same as killing him, have abjured such spectacles

Obviously Christians would not go and watch others being tortured and killed in the coliseums.  But you can be guaranteed that they also went along to other festivals where none violent things happened.  Just like hundreds of LCGers will be gathered around television screens to watch the Super Bowl!  Those ancient Christians would have  went to some of these events just to give the impression that they were "normal" Roman citizens.  Kind of like LCGers that have birthday parties in restaurants, go out dancing in dance clubs, play football, and eat in restaurants for a quite Friday night dinner. They have the need to feel "normal" too.

 Prophet Thiel goes on to state that ancient TRUE Christians and even fake Catholic ones had sense to see that violent sports were evil.  But then the Prophet goes on to quote the world's foremost authority on violence in sports:

So, those who professed Christ in the second and third century generally did not feel that viewing or participating in violent sports was appropriate.

In more recent times, the late Herbert W. Armstrong wrote:

Hostility toward the other is sin…Boxing at Ambassador College is definitely banned. God did not create the human brain and head to be pummeled and knocked senseless by an antagonist.

Football (American football) is a violent body-contact sport. It is often played with an attitude of hostility and is dangerous and is fraught with physical injury. (Plain Truth, July-August 1984)

I think the funny thing about this quote is that while HWA said this, the College and Church members were active participants in all the Rose Bowl games and activities.  They raised money for each group by selling pork hot dogs, beer, film, programs, souvenirs. They ushered and took tickets. The College was an active participant in the New Years parade and provided space and use of facilities for parking, band rehearsals, television broadcasts and much more.

The Prophet ends with this:

“Love does no harm to a neighbor” (Romans 13:9), yet what do violent sports like American football and boxing do?  Are those who participate neighbors for Christians?  Should people be encouraged to participate in violent activities which are proven to cause harm?

Which causes more harm.  A game of football, or teaching aberrant doctrines that deceive people spiritually?

I think the Prophet needs to lay off the naturopathic and herbal drugs he has been peddling off to his patients and take a dose of reality.

It just amazes me that the Living Church of God promotes this guy as a theologian in their midst.  All he has done over the last several years is make LCG look like complete fools at times.