Friday, June 28, 2013

Is Dave Pack About To Declare Himself a "Type" of Christ?



Dave writes:


3:1: “And He [Jesus Christ in the context, see Zech. 2:13] showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.”
The ancient Joshua described in Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai and Zechariah had two different names. Ezra and Nehemiah call him Jeshua, but Haggai and Zechariah use Joshua. There is a reason for this difference! Joshua means “Jehovah-saved.” Jeshua means “he will save.” So this man is one who is saved, but also one who delivers (saves) others. Of course Jesus Christ is our ultimate Savior and High Priest. This man then, like Moses and Adam, becomes a type of Jesus Christ.

How interesting that it was a man named Joshua who followed Moses, and was used to deliver Israel from enemies and the wilderness to the Promised Land.
To further legitimatize his claim to be Joshua is says he is persecuted and attacked.  The Devil is pissed with Davey and is trying to destroy him.


Verse 1 pictures Joshua standing before Jesus Christ being resisted by Satan. The Hebrew word for resist is the verb form of the word translated Satan. It means “to attack, accuse, be an adversary or resist.” In summary, the devil is doing to Joshua what he naturally does, but in a closer and more direct way. Notice Joshua is not in Satan’s clutches, as some mistakenly believe. This man is in the devil’s crosshairs—constantly attacked, accused, opposed and RESISTED. This should not be hard to understand since the devil would most want to destroy the final leader of God’s Church. (Incidentally, I have been attacked more than any other leader alive. Only Mr. Armstrong, having had more years, was attacked more.)

Dave Pack: I am NOT The Chief Sinner That COG Groups Are Looking For




Is Davey about ready to pull a Bob Thiel out of his ass and claim that since he spoke to HWA about Joshua that he is legitimately the man? 


With this foundation, we are ready to examine the question of, “Who is Joshua?” First understand that this prophecy was a vacant doctrine in the Worldwide Church of God. Mr. Armstrong once believed his son was Joshua. (Coincidentally, it was at this time many were privately speculating that these men might be the Two Witnesses.) But Mr. Armstrong’s thinking evolved and he eventually realized this would be impossible, for a number of reasons. When Mr. Armstrong and I spoke on the phone, we often discussed prophecy. I once asked him who was Joshua and he said that he did not know.

Gerald Flurry, the leader of PCG, originally taught that Joe Tkach was Joshua. After Joe Tkach died, he changed to Joe Tkach Jr. One effect of these crazy unbiblical ideas is Satan has brethren looking backward for false “Joshuas,” instead of forward for the true one.

Other splinters hold no teaching on Joshua other than “some day we may know.” They could never discover his identity because they lost the clues to finding him. And they are looking for the wrong profile. Grasp this! Misunderstanding Zechariah 3:3-4, people are looking for a kind of chief sinner. Obviously, no leader would claim to fulfill this. In effect, the identity of Joshua has been hidden due to a false assumption. However, just as the point came when Mr. Armstrong had to see and explain that he was Zerubbabel, God would do the same with Joshua.

Since Davey wants to give the impression he is without sin, it is easy to guess who he is leading up to above.   Since Dave's arch nemesis is Rod Meredith and Rod has already declared his has never committed a major sin since baptism, Davey has to one up him and claim he keeps examining himself and cannot find any fault within.

Davey Pack: Your Final Test Will Be If You Really Believe I AM Joshua





Davey tires to use HWA's writings to justify that excuse he is trying to come up with to make himself known as the end time Joshua, the true successor to Herbert Armstrong.

Davey quotes from a letter by HWA where he claims that he did not know who his successor would be and that God would appoint that person which would in turn be a test of the faith of the brethren.

Out final test will be after the three church leaders all die in August  is that we acknowledge that Davey is The Man!

“And let me tell you, THE HEAD OF THIS CHURCH IS ALIVE! Do you believe it? Jesus Christ! DO WE BELIEVE HE LIVES? Do we believe He’s on the job? Do we believe, if I am in need of correction, that He is able to see to it and give it? Let me tell you, I BELIEVE IT! I believe it through and through. And I FEAR IT! And I TREMBLE AT IT!
 “If anything should happen to me, it will only happen if God allows it. God can keep me alive as long as that is necessary. And He will, as long as He feels it’s necessary. And I don’t think He is going to take me from THIS WORK until this job is finished. But if He should (if I should be wrong about that), can you trust the Living Christ to provide the man that will take over?
 “If you’d ask me to choose, I couldn’t do it. I wouldn’t know who to choose right now. And I have no authority to do it. THIS IS GOING TO BE A TEST OF YOUR FAITH! Or, do you want to take it into your own hands, and know who it’s going to be—someone YOU can know in advance? Someone YOU can approve? Someone YOU CAN VOTE FOR? Oh, sometimes I say, ‘Shame on us.’ Let’s wake up.”
God used Mr. Armstrong to reveal how God would handle his successor—and in a sermon titled “Zerubbabel’s Temple.” Mr. Armstrong did later go on to appoint Joe Tkach, who obviously was not the true successor to lead God’s Church, but rather was selected by God to bring a great test on God’s people regarding whether they would hold to the truth or follow deceiver(s). Mr. Armstrong did understand he had no authority to make Mr. Tkach an apostle, who eventually declared this of himself after NO fruits appeared. Mr. Armstrong’s TRUE successor—and this becomes obvious—would necessarily have to be revealed later.

Dave Pack: Why Aren't People Looking For Me?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!



Poor Davey.  No one seems to care and no one certainly is looking for him.  He is right about one thing.  No one CARES or wants to return to the pig slop that Davey is promoting.

Being unable to recognize who is God’s final leader COMPLETELY ends the ability of ministers today to serve God’s people. All would agree, no matter who they now think Joshua is, he would only be found in one placeone “House” (Hag. 1:4)—one Church! The leadership of one man cannot be split over several organizations. Joshua’s identity does not lead one to Zerubbabel’s identity but Zerubbabel’s does lead to Joshua. The one who fulfilled the role of Joshua would uphold all of Zerubbabel’s teachings, including traditions, standards, judgments, policies and truths.

We will see the prophet Zechariah makes clear Joshua is alive at Christ’s Return. Haggai speaks of/to this man five times, and Zechariah reveals that Zerubbabel eventually falls out of the picture because Zechariah 3 describes Joshua working alone until Christ’s Return, with Zerubbabel no longer present. A modern Joshua was foretold to arrive after Mr. Armstrong. We might at least ask: Why are people not out looking for this man? The answer is at least partly that they do not want to return to things Zerubbabel taught.

God Told Davey That He Wants Zerubbabel (HWA) Remembered Forever





Part of the reason Davey Pack thinks he is the chosen one is that he claims to be following in the footsteps of Herbert.  Davey is imitating Herb's campuses and gardens, covets his Steuben crystal, copies his books and plagiarizes ideas.  Dave has not been capable of coming up with an original idea yet.  Davey has always been known to be a copy-cat taking others ideas and claiming them as his own.


Remember that Haggai 2 concludes with a special tribute to Zerubbabel. One of the major problems in the splinters is that God’s ministers have themselves almost universally forgotten Mr. Armstrong’s extraordinary prophesied role in restoring truths to God’s 20th-century Church.

God announces that His chosen leader becomes (“I will make you as”) a signet. This means a “signature ring, seal or signet” in the Hebrew. Where else in the scriptures does God describe the work of one of His leading servants in such a unique way? Nowhere! Without Mr. Armstrong’s over 52 years of incredible perseverance, resourcefulness, dedication and faithfulness against staggering obstacles and so many enemies, the ministers throughout the splinters today would all be somewhere else doing something else. They would never have learned the truth. Yet, having died over 27 years ago, Zerubbabel has been largely forgotten. God wants Mr. Armstrong remembered for what he was—what he did. Several times in Haggai 2 the ministry is told to “consider,” with part of what they are to consider shown to be in this context. In fact, until they do, these ministers will remain blocked from an enormous amount of understanding regarding what will happen going forward, and they cannot be used as true ministers. And they have no foundation to understand who is Joshua, as well as this man’s role following Zerubbabel and preceding Christ’s Return. Zerubbabel’s identity paves the way to knowing who is Joshua! Without this knowledge, both Zechariah 3 [describing Joshua] and Zechariah 4 [describing Zerubbabel and the Two Witnesses] remain closed off from their understanding.