Bitter Bob Lashes Out At Rod Meredith - AGAIN - In His Latest Ezine: "in my dream...I called up to him, but he would never respond."

Bitter Bob has lashed out again at Rod Meredith in the latest improperly named Continuing Church of God ezine.  Bitter Bob is seeking to justify his starting of a new splinter personality cult. He does that attempting to quote scripture to support his stance that a dream he had is proof that he needed to start a new Church of God because Meredith was no longer listening to him.

The Bible records that God often has used dreams to give messages 

(Genesis 20:3-7, 28:10-17, 31:10-13, 31:24, 37:5-10, 40:5-18, 41:1-32; Numbers 12:6; Judges 7:13-15; 1 Kings 3:5-15; Daniel 2:3-45, 4:4-27, 7:1-28; Matthew 1:20-25, 2:12, 2:13, 2:19, 2:22; Acts 16:9).

The Bible shows that God often chooses to work with prophets through a dream: 

6 “Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, make  Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream. (Numbers 12:6)

Notice that the above says that God will speak to His prophet in a dream. Notice also:

28 The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream  (Jeremiah 23:28)

Bitter Bob mocks others in the COG who have had dreams in the past, but he and he alone is the only rightful man in the entire church that can receive these dreams and interpret them to fit his own narcissistic ego.  Oh wait.....he's not alone in that department!

A few years ago I had a dream, which while I did not understand it at first, as it became more and more fulfilled over the years, I began to understand it and believe it was from God.

Others have dreams brought on by malevolent spirits, but Bitter Bob's dreams are godly.

Bitter Bob now places himself on par with prophet Jeremiah and apostle Peter. 

I was 50 at the time (which essentially makes me an ‘old man’ per Numbers 8:25; cf. John 8:57). The Prophet Jeremiah at least once wondered about a message he received and later determined it was from God (Jeremiah 32:6-8), and the Apostle Peter at least once had a vision that he did not understand (Acts 10:9-17) until later as well (Acts 11:5-17). The same goes for Daniel (Daniel 8).

Next he lashes out at Rod Meredith AGAIN....

In my dream, there seemed to be two parallel lines. The presiding evangelist of the Living Church of God (LCG) Roderick Meredith was on the top line and I was on the line much below. In the dream, I kept calling up to Dr. Meredith, but he never would respond.

This lack of response made no  sense to me during the dream. Then after what seemed to be a long time, the lines-crossed with his line dropping and my line going up.

One reason that I did not understand it at the time was that I was on relatively close speaking terms with Dr. Meredith then, so that aspect made of the dream made no sense. Also, since I had no intentions of leaving Living Church of God then (and certainly no plans to start a separate church), it was not clear what the dream was saying. Another reason I was unsure about the dream then was that I had not had any anointing for the Holy Spirit beyond baptism when I had it.

Once more he has to malign and smear Gaylyn Bonjour, with the false story, that he gave him a double does of the holy spirit. There is no way that Bonjour ever had the intention of passing on a double does of ANYTHING to Bitter Bob that would cause him to start a new personality cult.  When Bitter Bob continues to tell this story it is done to malign Bonjour who now regrets ever doing such a thing.

But these matters changed eventually. For one, I was  unexpectedly anointed for a ‘double-portion’ of God’s Spirit (cf. 2 Kings 2:9) on December 15, 2011 by an LCG minister named Gaylyn Bonjour.

Now Bitter Bob whines that Meredith distanced himself from him and essentially ignored him.

Furthermore, over time, Dr. Meredith became more distant from me, would not keep various promises to me, and ultimately stopped speaking with me. And after I got a letter from him on 12/28/12, it was clear to me that there was no way that the Philadelphia mantle could be with him or any of his remaining leaders. These subsequent events showed me that the dream was being fulfilled. This dream gave an outline of what would happen in the future and that has happened.

Next he tells about another laughable dream he had where God spoke to him and Bitter Bob said, "Here I am,, send me."

 I also had another dream (and do not recall precisely when, but it was prior to 2012) reminiscent of a vision that Isaiah. In that dream, I recall responding to a request from God and saying, “Here I am, send me” (cf. Isaiah 6:8).

Of course now that Bitter Bob is a global encompassing work, none of the other COG's cannot compare to his magnificence. All any of them seem to do is ignore him.  They laugh at him and mock him for his dreaming of silly things.

Despite what the Bible supports, most Church of God groups do not seemingly accept that there are any prophets today, nor do they seem to accept that God actually sometimes speaks in dreams in the 21st century–some, oddly, seem indignant of the very idea.

Part of the reason for this is that those self-proclaimed ‘prophets’  outside of the Continuing Church of God have tended to be proven to be false.

But that does not mean God doesn’t ever use dreams or have any in the office  of prophet. The Bible shows that God can pour out a ‘double-portion’ of His Spirit (cf. 2 Kings 2:9-15) as what happened when an ordained minister so prayed and anointed me on December 15, 2011.

 April/June Bible, News Prophecy Mag

World Headquarters of Bitter Bob's Personality Cult

Here is the magnificent campus building of the world encompassing mind boggling "work" of Bitter Bob. It houses some mail boxes and a few little offices. Love the Christmas decorations Bitter Bob!  You certainly are making Rod Meredith and the LCG tremble in their shoes!  NOT!

Dennis muses on....

The Fountain

Close your eyes...Plug your nose...Enjoy!

Sharing a quotable quote on the nature of the experience we have had with the Worldwide Church of God/Armstrongs and all the many splits and schisms that have risen from the ashes of it all.  It applies both to the specific cultic, for that is what it is, experience and can apply to a much larger experience for those who have gone on to question larger problems with religion.  I believe one can at least see that the experience of personal sincerity, growth and change whether chosen or inflicted is a common one. The questions, that one who thinks about such things, experiences with organized religion and personality cults raise are common for those that question it. the reasons people stay put and the rationale behind their choices are both predictable and  universal.

Some keep drinking from dirty fountains because it is what they have always done.  They are used to it and besides, they are heavily invested in that fountain.  They may have even helped dig the well, lay the pipe or chosen the design.  Since we have to take the good with the bad, the quality of the water is acceptable as long as it doesn't make me specifically ill.  I may feel badly drinking from it, but I'll never tell you because I probably just have an attitude problem anyway...

I hope you find the observations in the following to be familiar feelings and realities that have come from our common experiences with "The Church", and all it's current manifestations, good, bad and downright silly. It's a normal reaction that thinking and observant folk have as time passes  and  when one has experienced a less than satisfying church choice.  If it resonates with you, you're alive and well.  You are doing just fine.


"For a long time I was an ardent admirer of Dr. John Piper.  I remember a sermon of Dr. Piper's in which he described God as a flowing fountain of delight.  The Psalmist writes, 'Taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge in him' Psalm 34:8  Piper said that we would praise a fountain, not by standing passively by, but by sticking our faces deep inside it to take it in its wonderful refreshment.  We would stand up and shout, 'This is the best water I've ever tasted; come and have some with me!'  He invited others to taste and see  God's goodness."

But what about those of us who have left the fountain with a horrible taste in our mouths?  We came to the fountain and drank as deeply as we could and, for a while, could not get enough of it.  We loved reading the Bible and being instructed by it.  We believed that it made us wiser than our counselors.  We made our bodies our slaves so that they would honor God.  We prayed without ceasing.  We sought first the Kingdom of God.  We confessed our sins and believed that God was faithful and just to forgive us our sins.  We preached 'the Word' in season and out.  We attempted to study to show ourselves approved.  We fed God's  sheep.

But then something happened.  The fountain became foul to us.  We tried to ignore the taste.  We went back to it again and again hoping something would change.  We opened the Bible and, instead of finding wisdom, we found violence and the justification of immoral acts.  We found anti-intellectualism and backward thinking.  We found oppression.  Our prayers returned to us void.  They bounced off the ceiling.  We prayed harder and felt dumber for it.  While we could still enjoy the fellowship of Christian people, we discovered what we liked about them had nothing to do with their Christianity but rather with their humanity.  We found that we simply liked the people for who they were, not because they believed something about religion.

We weren't trying to 'leave the faith.'  The faith was leaving us.  We tried to hold on to the fountain but something had changed.  It wasn't the fountain; it was our taste for it.  We realized that the fountain wasn't a being; it was a religion. It was just dogma.  It is like we had been drinking from it with our eyes closed and noses plugged.  Somehow, though, we opened our eyes and unplugged our noses and discovered we had been enjoying filth.  The fountain was a fountain of blood and other foul things.  We realized we had spent most of our lives consuming a vile concoction.  

We would have been happy to have simply left, but we couldn't help but want to pull others away from such a cesspool.  We wanted to help them open their eyes and see what we saw.  We wanted them to see the trouble the fountain was causing in the world.  Quickly, however, we ran into opposition. We found that those still slurping away at the fountain with eyes closed and noses plugged resisted.  They said that we were lying about the taste of the fountain or that we had never drunk from it in the first place.  We told them to open their eyes, but they responded that eyes cannot be trusted.  We described the filth to them, but even when they accepted that the fountain contained blood and other 'foul'things, they insisted those things were really good..."

Why I became an Atheist, 

John Loftus

page 35-36

Was Earnest Martin a "Crackpot?" James Malm Says So. So it MUST be True!

James Malm maligns Earnest Martin's character with his latest tirade this morning.

'Malm cannot stand anyone who sounds "intellectual."  His first strike against Martin is that he used "professional language."  Of course as we all know, in Armstrongism, professional language means Satan is involved.  One can only acquire "professional languages" when one receives higher education and it is a well known fact that Satan runs all the universities and schools.

Ernest Martin:   In 1974 left the WCG and started the Foundation for Biblical Research in Pasadena where he remained as chairman until 1985. He wrote studies on subjects like the Sabbath, High Days and Tithing trying to destroy these doctrines by presenting large studies in apparently professional language, which if a person not grounded in sound doctrine read, would confuse him by the scholarly appearance and numbers of words.

In other words, if you are not a follower of Armstrongism (or James Malm) you would not be able to discern the demonic influence because of all those fancy prissy words!

In 1985 Martin founded Associates for Scriptural Knowledge and became a member of various other societies. 

Martin’s claims that the Temple was built over the Gihon Springs are untenable, because that area is on the lower side of a hill and not on top of a mount as the Temple is described in scripture.  In fact, from ancient antiquity, tunnels were built from the Gihon Springs to the city to provide water for the Temple at the pools [Siloam] adjacent to the Temple. 

Malm cannot handle the fact that Martin was way more highly educated than he is.  Anyone with a higher education is a "crackpot."

Martin was a mainstream evangelical crackpot with delusions of being a scholar. Dr. Martin went on to start his own church, and then to repudiate the keeping of the Sabbath and Holy Days altogether. 

He then accuses Martin of being a "pentecostal evangelical."  Anyone who knew Martin or read his books would know that is a complete fabrication!

 Ernest Martin was a Pentecostal evangelical who began the  movement inside the WCG that ultimately led to the Tkach changes.  

Martin left WCG, just before Ken Westby left in 1974. 

Ernest Martin is famous for attacking the sound doctrine of scripture and for his ridiculous archaeological claims based on false premises; like deciding that a retaining wall was part of the Temple, and then claiming  that the Temple was built on the steeply sloping lower side of another hill, instead of on the top of a Mount!   

Imagine a retaining wall in your own backyard, and thinking that retaining wall was a part of your house!

In short Martin’s studies have an appearance of scholarship, without the scholarship; being error, hidden in many scholarly appearing words designed to confuse and impress the reader to accept his false teachings and turn away from the word of God.

Earnest Martin debunked many of the long held doctrines of Armstrongism early on.  Some of what he easily proved  wrong were:

It is time for all to turn off the 'ongoing ex-WCG soap operas' and find out what the Bible really says about all of the truly important doctrinal issues:

1. There is no "true Church of God". In fact, the word "church" is not even mentioned in the original Bible translations.
2. There was no hierarchy (or organization) in the early Christian ekklesia (a gathering of like minded people). 
3. Yes, the Sabbath is on Saturday. And no, you are not required to keep it (or any of the Holy Days).
4. The tithing issue was put to bed four decades ago - by Dr. Martin. Christian charity, however, is still waiting to be practiced by most.
5. You have already been saved. Being a member of any of the above churches means nothing to God. You were saved before the foundation of the world.
6. You do, however, have one very important decision to make in this life. And that is whether you desire to be in the Kingdom of God.
7. Jesus was born on September 11, 3 B.C.E. All planetariums agree.
8. The Temple Mount is located one third of a mile from the Wailing Wall. The Tomb of David is buried underneath.
9. We are not in the end-times. We are not even close to the end-times. Maybe sometime around 2070?
10. Your experience in the WCG was for a reason. Wise people will learn from it.

The work of Dr. Martin is well preserved and is still available to the world through the Associates for Scriptural Knowledge (ASK). The totality of his research is available on their website and is the equivalent of a college education. And it is all free!