David C Pack: Spank Your Children So They Fear You And God

The Church of God has had a horrible reputation for child abuse over the decades because of its child rearing policies and booklets.  That abuse continues into the 21st century with David C Pack.

He advocates that you child should fear you just as they should fear his god.

God’s Way:

Spanking does end bad behavior. And yes, it does teach your children to fear you—just as God wants His children to fear Him. Consider the following scriptures: “Blessed is every one [who] fears the Lord, [who] walks in His ways” (Psa. 128:1).

“In the fear of the Lord is strong confidence…The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death” (Prov. 14:26-27).

“Then you shall say unto your son…the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that He might preserve us alive” (Deut. 6:21, 24).

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge” (Prov. 1:7).

“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (9:10).

“The fear of the Lord prolongs days” (10:27).

“Blessed is the man that fears the Lord, that delights greatly in His commandments” (Psa. 112:1).

Spanking, done God’s Way, produces proper fear, respect—and trust.

Once again the law trumps grace and love.

When a child is repeatedly spanked it stunts their mental growth, academic performance and even eventually the types of jobs they will find.  A child repeatedly punished and made to feel worthless will never feel good enough for anything.  Armstrongism has created scores of adults who to this day feel they are "not good enough."

If you know me really well, you know that I have converted to the “no spanking” side of the argument. I used to be for spanking, and used it with my child. However, after attending a seminar* about it (which included a biblical scholar to explain the common verses frequently used to support spanking) and saw some global statistics about the use of spanking, I changed my mind. I did a complete 180 and now promote no corporal punishment.

From that seminar, I have learned that if parents stopped spanking, the research shows that it would increase:

• mental development
• academic performance in elementary school
• chances of completing a university degree
• occupational achievement and income

Another eye-opening statistic was that the larger the percent of children in a nation who were spanked, the larger the percent who hit a dating partner. For example, in Taiwan, the percentage of children who were spanked or hit a lot before age 12 is around 80%, and the assault total is around 40$. By contrast Sweden has about 20% of children spanked, and 20% hitting of a dating partner.
They gave four key reasons why children should NEVER be spanked:

• Spanking is not necessary.
• Spanking has harmful side effects.
• Spanking undermines long term effectiveness of parents
• Contradicts the ideal of the family as a place for love, not violence

 From Northlight Counseling

Samuel Martin, who grew up in the Worldwide Church of God as the son of Earnest Martin, knows first hand what corporal punishment does to a child.  Martin now lives in Israel and has published a book on spanking, "They Rod and They Staff Comfort Me: Christians and the Smacking (Spanking) Controversy."

In no instance does the New Testament quote from any of the texts that are used to demonstrate that smacking is valid for today. There is no instance in any of the New Testament‟s 27 books that specifically refers to a child receiving any bodily punishment. The evidence shows that the New Testament writers were quite familiar with the whole of the book of Proverbs and quoted from numerous sections of it, but wholly avoided any passage mentioning the rod. Because of these facts, anyone who seeks to advocate for the idea that smacking is a New Testament teaching is standing on shaky theological and Scriptural ground. This is the plain information we find in the Bible itself.

David C Pack's lies about child punishment lie directly in the pit of the law.  Pack has placed the law above grace and the New Covenant.   Law keeps the flock in submission.  Law prohibits free thought.  Law controls every aspect of a persons life.

Why parents in the Restored Church of God continue to allow this man to tell them what to do with their children is beyond me.  Pack is just as sick as Gerald Flurry when it comes to the youth of his group.  He has instructed members to kick their children out of their homes and to shun them. He has young teenage sons spying on their parents and reporting back to him.  In doing so he rewards them with jobs in the Wadsworth cult compound. Dave becomes their new "parent" who controls their life with veiled threats.  They fear going against him at all costs.

 All this has done is created bitterness in the children he has forced out of homes.  Pack has literally destroyed hundreds of families and marriages over this topic. When will his members ever wake up and stop the abuse?

David C Pack Likes That Children Were Stoned To Death For Rebellious Attitudes

(This story has been making the rounds of several Facebook and other COG groups. One  horror story of abuse after  another is being told by people who were part of David C Pack's cult.  I also have been asked to bump this up for a few days.)



David C Pack has a booklet out on proper Child rearing, Train Your Children.  It is along the same line as the previous versions he plagiarized from that HWA and GTA put out in the Worldwide Church of God.  Pack feels he is the ultimate authority on the subject and boastfully says that God himself told Dave what to write.

There is not another book about childrearing like Train Your Children God’s Way. In fact, there has never been a volume about childrearing like this one. It is absolutely unique among all others on the subject. This vital book contains sorely needed information—revealed knowledge, straight from the plain Word of God!

Only Dave and his "ministers" are qualified to teach members how to rear their children.  Dave claims ALL authority to teach comes to him and his "ministers" directly from his god.

When God’s servants, those truly carrying His authority, teach the only way to properly rear children, most people would see it as meddling, not biblical instruction. This is because it hits close to home and becomes personal. And, like children, many simply do not want anyone—this includes God!—telling them what to do, even when they have no idea themselves.

This book is written for those who recognize that they do not have all the answers.

Within the Church that Christ built, the Eternal God has established His ministry to teach His Way of Life in all points.

One of the things Dave demands of his followers is that they MUST have children.  They are commanded to be "fruitful and multiply."  In other words, have as many children as possible because they will soon be gods and goddesses with their own little worlds to rule over.  Western civilization, and by this Dave actually means "white," is declining because of birth control and this is not a good thing for British Israelites to have to endure.

  When God brought Adam and Eve together in marriage, He instructed them to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth” (Gen. 1:28). Recognize that this instruction was actually a command from Him to have children, because the family unit is the human pattern picturing His own Divine Family. While this is a subject of other books and booklets—and I have written many explaining this pattern within God’s supreme purpose—it should at least be briefly acknowledged here in the context of the shrinking size of the average family in Western civilization.

Further on Dave jumps to spanking.  No silly little "love taps" for your kiddies!  Spank in such a way that they FEAR you!  A child trembling in fear is the way to go.

Yet, remember that discipline must never be merely “love taps” to a child or it will accomplish nothing. The child must know that spanking is something he or she does not want to experience—for any reason! This alone becomes a reason why spanking, done properly, usually becomes a rarity.

Then Dave gets to the real meat of the matter.  Dave appreciates that children in the Old Testament times were stoned to death for being rebellious.

 Is God’s Way Harsh?

Let’s momentarily examine how God dealt with rebellious teens in ancient Israel: “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; and they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shall you put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear” (Deut. 21:18-21).

Notice that God told the Israelites to actually put to death—execute!—teenagers who refused to obey their parents or respect authority.

This sounds harsh, even barbaric, in today’s world, but God understood what was at stake for His society if such a rotten attitude was unleashed upon it for an entire lifetime.

Understand that God set this standard to be an example. Upon witnessing such a graphic execution—and probably of one who was at least an acquaintance—how many teens would even think about rebelling against their parents? Few—if any! God’s punishment was actually merciful. And, in the end, it saved many lives, and resulted in many obedient, respectful teenagers. Very few would have to die, because they would not dare to break God’s Fifth Commandment—“Honor your father and mother”—if they knew it would have cost them their lives!

At that time, God carried out punishment within His Law very quickly. He did not waste months and years of trials, retrials, appeals and the like, as do the time-and-money-consuming courts of men. Unfortunately, mankind, cut off from God (Isa. 59:1-2), has not learned this lesson. Notice: “Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil” (Ecc. 8:11).

God moved swiftly to administer justice in a carnal-minded society, one whose citizens did not have His Holy Spirit. The ancient Israelites did not have the opportunity to repent spiritually—to change and grow from carnal ways to the ways of God.

Today, God administers justice in a spirit-minded society—His Church! True Christians do have the power of God’s Spirit dwelling in them to change from the “way that seems right unto a man” to the way that produces real peace and true happiness. Certainly, it is not God’s purpose to put Christians to death. In His mercy, He has given them an entire lifetime to change, grow and overcome—to develop His holy, righteous character (II Pet. 3:18).

If you plan on being in Dave's world tomorrow you had better be prepared for stoning.

Rev 23:5 - God Foretold Of A Huge Duck Invasion Followed By An Earthquake in Califronia

God's greatest prophet ever to live, E W King, claims to have a 100% accuracy rate and is posting today about marauding ducks terrorizing drivers.  This is a sure sign of the end times as nature becomes unbalanced and animals take over.  Satan obviously has taken over the minds of the ducks and is causing them to run amok in the land spreading disease and filth.  The true ducks of God would never be in such rebellion!

King also is predicting a major earthquake to happen very soon in California.  I could make the exact same prediction because earthquakes happen here all the time.

Eric says quake will hit California soon!

Posted by cogsr on June 20, 2014

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Today [6-20-14] Eric W. King stated to a local group of California COGSR members to be safe. He stated that he believes very shortly a good size earthquake is coming to California. City folk should be aware, awake & alert along with all schools.

Anyone can predict quakes in California and be accurate.  Here are the number of earthquakes here in the last 24 hours:

Living Church of God: "Is the Leading Light In the World..the Shining City on the Hill"

Poor Bob Thiel.  Living Church of God continues to stick it to him every time he turns around.  Thiel feels he is the one true church doing a mighty work.  However, LCG members see otherwise. Thiel thought that when he started his personality cult that many members from LCG would immediately jump ship to join him.  It never happened.  Both the corporate LCG and the membership turned their backs on him.  Theil has had to go to Africa in order to get some members that marginally look good to him.

Here are some comments from the LCG Facebook page where members lay it on the line as to what the general membership feel about the various COG splinter groups and who is doing the work.  The thread is built around the topic of  "Will the splintered COGs ever get back together before the return of Christ?"  Incidentally, this very same reason is why David C Pack was such an epic failure in October 2013, and why he will NEVER gain  a large number of LCG members.  LCG has proper church government and is doctrinally pure - at least in their eyes.

There is but one Church of God and it is the Living Church of God, though there are fellowships with the name of God's Church. However, it is the Living Church of God that is preaching with the increasing power of the Holy Spirit the whole Gospel of the soon-coming Kingdom of God and feeding the flock. - calling out for repentance and shouting out the Ezekiel warning to the Israelite Descended nations and to the world. It is the one that has God ordained and commanded governance and Biblically grounded doctrinal certainty. But, though it is the leading light in the world, it is not perfect because none who are part of it are perfect and are prone to human error - making mistakes as Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong and Dr. Roderick C. Meredith have humbly confessed. The Church has a degree of the weaknesses of the eras mentioned in Revelation as do all of us imperfect people who are part of the Church of God. Yet we have a greater degree of the Philidephian spirit than elsewhere. And we still hold fast to the 18 truths God restored to the Church of God through Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong and have not strayed away by being led astray through having itching ears and going on wild goose chases doctrinally speaking. Mr. Armstrong strong advised the saints to focus on the " trunk of the tree " and Dr. Meredith constantly warns us to see the " Big Picture ". This we, through the servant leadership of those God has put in the leading roles of the Living Church of God have done and are doing. We are the lit lamps on the lampstands, the shining cities on the hill.

So will the various COG's every regroup as one unified body?  Apparently Bob Thiel, David C Pack and other COG leaders are "abominations."

I'm not writing about what the world thinks. I'm writing about what God thinks. To Him, divisions which He Himself is not responsible for - divisions which arise from people sowing discord among brethren through factions, heresies or any other work of the flesh - are abominations and that's why "splintered COGs" is very nearly an oxymoron (a self-contradiction). We cannot simultaneously be God's Church - that is, as a people (see below) - and a house divided against itself.

The author above is correct in that a house divided cannot stand. That is why the COG is rapidly in decline.  RCG, PCG, LCG, CCOG and the others are NOT experiencing growth in numbers.  A few thousand viewers to a web site or to a TV program do not result in huge number increases and the doorway to more money flowing.  All the COG's have no presence anymore in TV.  Ask the average person if they have ever seen a COG program or read one of their magazines and 99.999999% of the people will say no.  The current status of the entire church of God is once pathetic mess.
 

God Is Speaking To Me In My Dreams And You Are NOT To Question That!

Bob Thiel is back today working over time to justify the various dreams he and others in his splinter cult have had.  He feels that these dreams are proof that he was destined to start another splinter group and that his god is specifically speaking to him and to none other.

Thiel feels that since this is the end time his god is now speaking through dreams:

While this may not seem to be a massive ‘earth-shattering’ dream, it is yet additional confirmation that God has used dreams/visions to communicate to at least three individuals who all later became part of the Continuing Church of God.  Dreams and visions are something that God intended to use during the end times (cf. Acts 2:17-18; Joel 2:28-29).  Elijah apparently once thought that God would be in something dramatic, but then only was in “a still small voice” (1 Kings 19:11-13).

Thiel and a woman had the first two dreams and the third was by a black man from Africa.

Yet, in addition to various facts, the three dreams (including prior ones from myself and from Fesilafai Leaana) look like God was planning on making it more plain for true Philadelphians (who are in various organizations/fellowships) to see that the mantle location had truly changed. The Philadelphian mantle is with the Continuing Church of God.

Thiel is also still attempting to use Gaylon Bonjours "double anointing" as proof that he is set apart.  Sadly, 99.9999999999999999% of humanity and COG members fail to see that Thiel is a prophet and the rightful heir to the legacy of Herbert Armstrong.

The two confirmations of my anointing, plus the three confirmations on the Continuing Church of God coming from dreams were fulfilled have happened. Plus, we teach the truths from the Bible and biblical prophecy. The witness is there for those who are willing to see it. Those who do not know what to do should pray about it.

Thiel is highly disappointed that people do not believe him.  He even quotes scripture believing that it applies to his situation.  According to Thiel if you are a REAL Christian then you would believe and know that he is without error.

I believe that they are partial confirmations that the Continuing Church of God was to lead (two dreams happened prior to CCOG’s formation), and now is leading, the final phase of the work. The truths that we teach should be accepted as the other proof:

45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. (John 8:45)

Believe the truth, at least for the truth’s sake. Christians are to believe and know the truth (1 Timothy 4:3). The truth sets Christians free (John 8:32) from all types of error (including Laodicean ones, cf. Revelation 3:14-22).

Then to further shame the nonbelievers Thiel uses more scripture to prove that he has three witnesses  to prove he is the one true COG leader and that NO ONE should be questioning him

Although some have chosen not to believe all the facts about how and why the Continuing Church of God began, recall that the Bible teaches:

16 ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ (Matthew 18:16)
19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses. (1 Timothy 5:19)

Of course, since Gaylyn Bonjour always freely stated that he did the ‘double-portion’ anointing on me which I reported, there long had been two witnesses to that.

Thiel then closes with the following where he has to point out that the world is filled with nonbelievers who will always question.

Of course, some will discount dreams and their confirmation as proper proof of anything they do not wish to believe.

Of course, some will discount dreams and their confirmation as proper proof of anything they do not wish to believe. Many want more dramatic signs (Matthew 12:38; 1 Kings 19:11-12), but God does not always do it that way (Matthew 12:39-42; 1 Kings 19:12-14).

Can you believe?

The problem with Armstrongism and its false theology is that its members are not capable of discernment.  Members have been so conditioned over the decades to never question. If you do you are turning your mind over to Satan and the possibility of committing the unpardonable sin.  Just look at Theil's admonitions above.  Questioning is NOT an option.  Discernment is not allowed.