Dave Pack: I am restoring the greatest things in the Bible!

Dave Pack has releases sermons 3 & 4 now the are supposed to  make clear to a the disaffected COG members out there in LaLa land that Dave is God's most superfantabulous mouthpiece.

Dave's secret hidden knowledge that he is reveling is that a 3 temple will be built in Jerusalem where his creature called "jesus" will come.  Dave will be the first to walk up the steps of the new temple to shake Jesus' hand and welcome him back to earth.  This reign of his creature "jesus" will be BEFORE the tribulation.  After it reigns for 3 12 years it will start some major whup ass on the world.  Dave and his rapidly dwindling flock will then be in place to reeducated the survivors into the "truth" retires by Dave.

He would know that we would have a host of questions. I do. I am sure you do. For a while, as I continue preaching more things to you, I will actually open as many questions as I answer. However, it is my job to teach this great understanding. It becomes, in many regards, a restoration of among the very greatest doctrines in the Bible—that only begins with the fact that God is going to build this great house—even greater than Solomon’s wonderful house, built to God…or “wonderful great” house as he called it in Chronicles.

So a doctrine—a great doctrine—that was known and taught in the first century is going to be restored today. In many regards, other than in the first century, this is the greatest story never told since or until now. Once it is explained, we will say, it is soon to be one of the greatest stories ever told. It is the greatest story never told to the New Testament Church since the first century. God has broken an unbelievable, powerful code. I am going to drown you in verses proving what I am going to tell you, but I wanted to say at the outset some corrections of things we thought we understood. I am coming up on fifty years in the Church and there are things we wrestled with. For instance: When is the last three and a half years of Christ’s ministry? I will throw that one out there, because I am going to tell you later…But there are things we wrestled and wrestled with. 

Dave wants his flock to know that his knowledge far exceeds anything Herbert Armstrong knew or restored.  When you think about tit, that is not a hard thing to do.  HWA had what is considered to be the equivalent to a year of freshman bible.  Six months spent in a public library, that has slim pickings on theological books, does not make one a theologian. Nor does being trained at the feet of such a man.

I have told you about things Mr. Armstrong wrestled and wrestled with, and things that he had absolutely no chance to understand previously. Neither did I—or anyone—until God simply turned the screw and broke codes, and opened up things so awesome that you can’t really begin to imagine that they are in the Scriptures—never mind anticipate them. One would be—and it introduces so many others—that God is going to build this great house in Jerusalem.

The reason Dave's creature needs to come back is because Dave claims it needs 3 1/2 more years to complete its ministry.   Apparently what Jesus accomplished on the cross was not enough, at least for this thing Dave calls "jesus."

Dave's creature is going to come to Jerusalem to save the Jews first.  All other nations will have to sit there an twiddle their fingers as they suffer great calamities while this creature plays with the Jewish people.  They will be prohibited from coming to Jerusalem.  Once the Jews are saved and the rest o humanity has suffered, then they will have a chance.

Now that is an astounding thing. He will save the tents of Judah first. The Bible talks about Israel and the other tribes. This is Judah. We ought to examine “first.” It means “in order.” It can mean “in place…or rank,” but it means in order. If somebody runs in a race and you say they came in first, nobody doubts what that means. So if you say that you are going to save the tents of Judah first, first you must understand the meaning of “first” before we can go on. You are left with an incredible question. It is inescapable, and it is life-changing in every regard. There are two possibilities. I’m going to show you the Bible is filled with that statement, but for now, we are left with—what does it mean? There are two possibilities.

Number one: It means at the outset of the Millennium, for some years, Christ returns in glory, and He starts working with Judah first, and tells the rest of the nations, “Don’t come to Jerusalem for several years, because I’m going to work with the Jews first. Now…I’m going to hit you with droughts and plagues, and you are going to die, if you don’t come to Jerusalem, but…come to think of it, I am going to do that, and I don’t really want you here, because I am going to save Judah first. That will take years!” Imagine now…You have all the nations of the world…and He tells them, “Back off. Sit down and twiddle your thumbs for years, because I am going to save Judah first”… or, you are left with only one other option—I’m going to save the nation of Judah way before the Tribulation as we’ve understood it in the past.

In order to build this new temple there needs to be skilled craftsmen and loads of supervisors.  Two guesses as to whom the supervisors will be....

You might even stop and think for a moment. In order to build the second temple, you needed two prophets, Haggai and Zechariah; you needed the high priest, Jeshua, who is later called Joshua; you needed a Jewish governor, named Zerubbabel, to build a very small house with a third as many people working on it, a little over half as long as Solomon’s…and you needed them all to live in Jerusalem to do it, with 50,000 Jews helping. Right? So, we’re going to see a greater house than Solomon’s, which needed 153,600 and 3,600 supervisors…… 

The question that needs to be asked is why did God not reveal to HWA all of this truth when he restored the "truth" after it had been lost for 1,900 years?  What is it just now being revealed.

Well, Superfantabulous Dave has the answer!

Now, by the way, here or any other time is no better than another…Why would God wait so long to tell us this great element of Bands, and how Christ is coming also to a physical temple? Why wouldn’t He tell us that years ago? Here’s why. We would have been dismissive of all the dualities. We would have never considered all the elements of the spiritual house. We would have missed all of it—all of the last three years. We would have of just bounded right over that, and just been thinking about Judah and the physical temple, and so forth. We wouldn’t have understood it.

Dave has this to say about Herbert Armstrong:

Now, nobody is weak or stupid because we didn’t understand this. Mr. Armstrong is one of the greatest human beings, I think, in many ways, who ever lived. I’m going to show you again, by the way, I think his role was even greater than we thought. He was not Elijah, he was Moses. That’s greater—my opinion. I don’t know what he would say, but that’s what I would say. I’m going to show you his role was greater in another way, a little later on. I hope I have time to get to it today. If not, I guess we wait a week. 

You can read this convoluted mess here:  The Greatest Story Never Told, Part 3

Non-COG Group Claims Petra As Their Own Place Of Safety. Bob Thiel and James Malm Devastated

Most of the major COG groups are suffering major butthurt after they found out that a non-COG related group is advertising Petra as the Place of Safety.  Bob Thiel and James Malm will be particularly disappointed when they have to submit to different rulers of the area once they get there.

Petra was already presenting an issue to the various COG groups that still preach this nonsense.  UCG, LCG, PCG, RCG, COGWA, and many others all think they will get there first and establish their realms and rulerships.  It is going to be one big snarling cat fight over who will reign supreme.  Now that they've been preempted, it will be particularly interesting.

Yehweh Not Yahweh has set up a nonprofit organization that is organizing a mass exodus to Petra.

♖ PETRA—PLACE of SAFETY is a non-profit organisation that promotes, encourages and hopes to facilitate fleeing from the world to Petra, Jordan, for the Great Tribulation. (Founded by Jane E Lythgoe—Creator of Yehweh.Org.)

♖ PETRA, Jordan is the one-and-only place of safety for the Wise Virgins in the coming 3.5 year Great Tribulation—the rapture is after the Trib.

♖ PETRA is the Place of Safety in the Great Tribulation—the rapture is after the Tribulation. The next flood is the Tribulation and Petra is the next ark. Believers need to go to Judea then Jordan. Petra is the one-and-only place of rescue and nourishment for the believers (not just Jews) in the 3.5 Year Great Tribulation. It's the singular wilderness "place" the spiritually pure woman (living Bride) flees to in Revelation 12 for 1260 days—with Father Yehweh's miraculous help. 

Those who don't go to Petra and don't want to take the Mark of the Beast, will almost certainly be martyred by beheading. Even if they find enough resources to live on for three and a half years they will still be hunted down. Think Hunger Games—except on a huge scale! 

Like the false prophets of Armstrongism, Bob Thiel and James Malm, they claim that the tribulation could start either this year or in 2017.

They are even offering assistance to those that want to flee.

♖ Types of Assistance AvailablePre-Flight Expenses—Passport Costs, Document Costs, Travel Accessories, and More.
Flight Expenses—Flights, Travel Insurance, Travel Taxes, and More.
Post-Flight Expenses—Accommodation, Transportation, Food and Drink, and More.
Support—Physical, Emotional, and Spiritual Support.

It just goes to show that craziness is not confined to Armstrongism.

Don Billingsly Fails Yet Again. Claimed God Told Him Hillary Would Win Election

Has there ever been a more fractured church group on earth that has had more leaders claiming God personally speaks to them than in the Churches of God? After God made that first fatal phone call to Herbert Armstrong and revealed things lost for 1,900 years we have advanced to the various current lairs in the church...Thiel, Malm, Pack, Weinland, Flurry, Meredith, et al.  Nothing any of these little men has ever predicted has ever come to pass.  That leads us to out latest COG liar, Alton Bilingsley.

Billingsley wrote in the July/August Philadelphia Remant Magazine the following about Hillary Clinton:

The Next President—By studying prophecy in view of the news, God has made known to me who will be the new president. He also has made known how much time is left before the Great Tribulation and the demise of this nation and the nations of Israel. If you are interested in knowing whether I am right or wrong, please read my article, entitled “Historical Duality Reveals the Future” 

In September I posted about how Bilingsley also made it known his god told him that Hillary Clinton would be shot while in office, during her second term.

Church of God Faithful Flock“What Are Your Plans for the Next Six Years?” asks CGFF Pastor Don Billingsley, a Church of God elder since the 1950s, in Historical Reality Reveals the Future - as he shows (?) that Biblical history and prophecy point to President Hillary Clinton being executed in 2023, when God’s Elect will flee to the Place of Safety and the Great Tribulation will then begin.  

This will all happen soon after the remnant Church of God folk trot off to Petra for 3 1/2 years of domestic unified bliss. 

Just before famine and the diseases reaches {sic} their most severe point in 2023, Hillary’s sixth year, God’s elect will flee to the first part of their departure to the Place of Safety (cf. Revelation 18:4-5; Jeremiah 51:50). (Billingsley A. Historical Duality Reveals the Future. Philadelphia Remnant, July-August 2016, p. 13)

All of these Church of God false prophets and liars  need to drop the word "God" from their church title and call themselves what they actually are, The Church of Liars.

Spiritually Bankrupt James Malm and Bob Thiel Go Into Meltdown Over Trump Win

In last nights stunning win by Donald Trump to be the next President of the United States we expected certain COG leaders to praise Trump's win because so many COG groups tend lean to the conservative side, even though they don't vote...unless of course you are in UCG or LCG.

Trump's win also brings out the nutcases from the loony bin.  James Malm and Bob Thiel are predicting the end times to begin in 2017 and the immediate downfall of the United States.  These two liars are constantly being eaten away by conspiracy theories and idiotic end times malarkey.

No matter how you feel about Trump or Clinton, it is apparent these two men  (Malm & Thiel) represent the bottom of the barrel for Armstrongism.

James Malm had this to say:

For those who don’t know; Trump is Jesuit trained [Georgetown University] and won because of overwhelming backing by the Catholic mobilized “Christian” denominations including the Catholic Church, Evangelicals and Protestants [also supported by the COG organizations]. Trump is the choice of the Roman Catholic Church [particularly the Jesuits] to bring about the New World Order of a New Federal Catholic Europe.

Those damn evil Jesuits!  They put Joseph Tkach in office in the WCG just like they did Trump!  What is this world coming to??????

The lying Pharisee continues with this:

1.   Watch for the Neocons to now redouble efforts to take down the Islamic State and bring a confrontation with Russia as soon as they can; to set the conditions for the rise of a New Federal Europe. 

2.   Watch for the fall of the Israeli government and a broader Mideast war involving Israel against Hamas and Hezbollah and a contrived confrontation between East and West. 

3.   Watch for crises in Europe which will open the way for the setting up of a pope doing miracles in the Vatican, who will call for a New Federal Europe.

4.   Watch for Trump and the Senate to jump on the bandwagon of this pope and his call for a New Federal Europe, being eager to extricate America from the heavy obligations and expense of NATO. 

5.  Once Trump has aided the miracle worker in creating the coming New Federal Europe by giving it the assets of NATO; watch for a peace deal to be declared and for this miracle worker to go to the holy place about 75 days after being empowered; triggering the immediate occupation of Jerusalem and invasion of Judea.  

The 2,300 Day Prophecy reveals that these things could be fulfilled in 2017 or shortly thereafter!

Malm is already bitter that 99% of the COG groups think he is crazier than hell.  What really is ticking him off is that no one is pay9ing attention to him, especially since he is one of the two witless witnesses.  How dare these COG groups reject him????

6.  Watch for God’s two servants to be set up – AFTER the miracle worker in the Vatican is set up – accompanied by all the biblically described signs: Only to be rejected by the COG groups claiming that God’s servants are Satan’s agents trying to prevent them from doing their supposed 3 1/2 year Elijah work during a time between a peace deal and the tribulation. 

Because all of the COG groups reject Malm, they will not know when the tribulation begins, all because they have NO ZEAL!

Once a peace deal is reached and declared, immediate tribulation will come (1Thess 5:3, Mat 24:15).  No, there will NOT be any 3 1/2 year period before the tribulation begins; and these organizations which have absolutely NO zeal to live by every Word of God like Elijah did: Will NOT do the Elijah work of turning people to zealously live by every Word of God!

7.   Watch for the New Europe [Assur being Germany, Austria, Hungary]  to become the darling of the Islamic countries – except Egypt – (Psalm 83) by aiding them in occupying the Jewish State in the name of peace; thereby bringing a move away from the Petro-Dollar to the currency of the New Europe.  

8.   From there the dollar driven Anglo Saxon countries will spiral down into collapse as the tribulation progresses.  

Malm is either talking out of his ass again or is letting his wiccan sidekick tell him how things should be.

Then there is Almost Arrested Elisha Elijah Amos Joshua Doubly Blessed Bob Thiel.  He is just as crazy in his beliefs as Malm is.

As I have been writing since last year, a Donald Trump presidency will be apocalyptic. A President Donald Trump will do many things that will lead to the end of the USA and the start of the Great Tribulation. While that would have been true of Hillary Clinton if she won, the reality is that she lost. 

During the Feast of Tabernacles in Aurora, Illinois, I told the audience that it would be the winner of the presidential election that would be bad for the USA

• The timing of his rise in political prominence.  The 6000 years that God gave humans to run matters on their own is almost over. We in the last days of God’s plan. A day to God is like 1000 years (2 Peter 3:8; Psalm 90:4), and since it is wise to know the days (Psalm 90:12), this is a reason that Donald Trump would be apocalyptic. It may be that only one or a few presidential terms are left before the start of the Great Tribulation and the fulfillment of related prophecies in the Book of Revelation.  By virtue of his timing(as well as his actual planned and unplanned actions) are enough to contribute to the fulfillment of various end-time prophecies. 

• In 2015, Donald Trump basically said he never repented. The God of the Bible expects leaders to encourage repentance and moral behaviors when they are subject to destructive punishment (cf. Jonah 3:6-9). Donald Trump, like many other U.S. politicians, does not seem to believe that the U.S.A. needs to repent for its sins against God. Yet, without national repentance, the U.S.A. is doomed for destruction (Isaiah 30:12-13; Daniel 11:39).  Of course, people are supposed to pray for political leaders (1 Timothy 2:1-3), and that should be done irrespective if one agrees with the leader. Sometimes, leaders and/or their policies change.

• Donald Trump is an admitted adulterer, strip club and casino owner, and married a woman who was professionally engaged in pornogrpahy. By encouraging and not discouraging aspects of biblical immorality, Donald Trump is setting the U.S.A. up for punishment (Isaiah 30:12-13; Romans 1:18-32) that has and will include troubles, violence, weather problems, earthquakes, food shortages, and pestilences (Mark 13:7-8; Luke 21:10-11). The time will come when, these problems will further worsen. 

• Donald Trump repeatedly has stated that he will “make America great again.” Biblically, he has not given reasons for that to be the case. Morally, economically, and militarily, the USA has been in decline (though the military decline is still more relative to the climb of others). The Bible warns repeatedly that false declarations of peace and safety will lead to end time destruction (1 Thessalonians 5:3; Jeremiah 6:14-15).

• His religious views hint that he is somewhat ‘ecumenical.’ An ecumenical power is warned about in the Bible and is expected to rise up in the end times (Zechariah 2:6-8; Revelation 17; 18). I expect him to make ecumenical supporting statements.

Thiel then claims that the tribulation may start in 2020, but may start within one year of Trump being President.

Please realize that the Great Tribulation, itself, cannot begin until at least 2020 (and likely later than that; watch also Can the Great Tribulation begin before 2020?). It may possibly begin in a year that Donald Trump could be president.  He may well take military, economic, cultural, and other steps that could lead to it if in the presidential office by then. Ultimately, the USA will be destroyed (Daniel 11:39; Habakkuk 2:6-8).

If Donald Trump will turn to God, and more in the USA will as well, then “Perhaps there may be a lengthening of your prosperity.”

President-elect Donald Trump is apocalyptic. Pray.

In 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, the world will go on, the sun will rise on a new day and Armstrongite false prophets will still be lying and stealing money from gullible followers
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