Saturday, January 14, 2023

Dual-minded Prophet Releases Another Dream to Prove His Legtimacy

 


The dual-minded self-appointed Great Bwana to Africa released another dream today that he believes PROVES he is the one true legitimate leader of the COG movement.

Have you ever noticed that none of Bob's dreams or the dreams of a few of his crazy followers are ever focused upon Jesus? Instead, they are all focused on Bob, the greatest narcissist the Church of God has ever had. The focus is always entirely upon himself, never Jesus, but himself.

Christians since the first century understood their focus is to be upon Christ, not hundreds and hundreds of useless topics that are used by Bob to distract members away from their true focus. This constant barrage of doom and gloom and conspiracy theories quickly takes its toll on his followers and any who listens to him.

With Bob, the focus is always on himself or worldly things and never on Christ. When you listen to him you can quickly become overwhelmed with doubt due to all the fear he keeps his followers constantly living in. 

Here is the latest dream that is so over the top it's ridiculous:

01/14/23 a.m. Received the following in two emails from James Martenet related to dreams:

About month after FoT 2020 ... would be the first ... I was in a field of wheat that stretched to all horizons. It was a sunny day during harvest, and the wheat was golden, beautifully golden. There was a master of the harvest on a wagon, and there were reapers, the man on the wagon had a very black beard, was fit and had perfect teeth, and smiled broadly.

The reapers were also similar to him, and they all sang a song in the dream I understood, it was so beautiful. The reapers and the master of the harvest seemed superhuman, they were perfect of form. There were other normal folks, many whom I  recognize from CCOG, and all of us had bags to carry the wheat the reapers were cutting, to the wagon. Some had large bags, others small, and some had holes in their bags. Some had bags that were empty, and they were not helping, just being busybodies, getting in the way of the ones who were working, but they could not stop the workers who were working from accomplishing the work of carrying the bags, even if they tried to…those working just kept right on being productive.

Bob Thiel had a tremendous load, it was ridiculous in size, so large that I wondered, how could he really get anything done with that tremendous load. But he was. Meanwhile some others also had large burdens, Shirley Gestro was one of them. The Master of the harvest asked why are not all the workers working? Why do some have empty bags? And he kept reminding us of the time.

He was asking me. I said I do not know what they are doing. He asked why are not more helping ... Bob Thiel..., then directly, why am I not helping more? I had a bag with a hole in it,  I asked what can I do, and he told me to use my talents, and to get to work, while there is still daylight. Then my bag was fixed and full, and it kept getting fuller as those of us who had full bags placed them on the wagon, where the master of the harvest smiled at us and said “good job”. The Sun was in the afternoon, it was before sunset, but it was definably setting. The Man said, “work while you still can”, and I woke up. ...

The last time {I had the harvest dream} was in the spring of this year {2022}. Each of the dreams was slightly different: the sun was moving closer to sunset. In the last one the sun had moved closer to sunset, and in ... them {both} there was a sense of urgency.

Basically, James Martenet took that repeated dream to mean that he should support what God is doing in the CCOG. He has been assisting in video and radio spots since 2022. And yes, we are getting closer to the end.

Jesus said:

2 The harvest truly is great, but the laborers are few; therefore pray the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. (Luke 10:2)

Do your part to support the work and also pray for more laborers for the harvest.

If Bob really was a true minister of God he would stop talking about himself and how magnificent his work is and focus entirely on following Christ. The problem is he cannot. It has always been about himself from the very first day when he started his rebellion. Even Rod Meredith understand that when he said the following about Bob:

"I have seen that you have had great difficulty in learning the lessons of deep humility that God wants all of us to learn. With very few exceptions, nearly everyone who knows you has clearly seen that—although you have a quick mind and great energy—you have nearly always thought very highly of yourself and of your own opinions. You have offended or at least “bugged” dozens of Church members with this very self-important, pushy and “know-it-all” attitude and approach."

"Bob, your own remarkable vanity and “dreams of greatness” have greatly affected your ability to think clearly many times. Over the last few years, many of us have noted that you have begun to think of yourself in terms that are not realistic."

"...others express concern about your egotistical ideas that you believe you are a prophet or one of the two witnesses." 
 
"Then you go to January 2009 where you say I told you that if I was raised to the office of apostle, I was “considering ordaining Bob Thiel as a prophet.” That, Bob, is simply not true! For I have never, at any time—considered ordaining you as a prophet. This is not because I don’t “like” you, but rather because I have understood for years your tendency to bring in “odd” or “Catholic prophesies” or put unusual twists on scripture in such a way that no true prophet of God would ever do." 
 
"Mr. Apartian did not think of you as a prophet. You can easily ascertain that by talking to Mrs. Apartian, Mr. Ames, Dr. Winnail and all of us. Bob, since you have this powerful feeling of “greatness” you often “read into” what anyone says. This kind of idea of you being a prophet that is pounding away in the back of your mind is once again causing you to twist your own memory of what is said by others." 
 
"Mr. Bonjour has confirmed he in no way was intending to ask God to make you a prophet! Yet, because of your vivid imagination and fervent desire to exalt yourself to that role, you “took it” that way—as you do so with many other things."

"By “reading into” things that others tell you the idea that you might be a prophet, you have deceived yourself—willingly of course—so that your mind is now virtually “fixated” on the idea that you, are a “prophet” of God."  Exceprts from "Rod Meredith's Letter To The Ministry Denouncing Bob Thiel" December 28th, 2012


 


PCG Hiding Gerald Flurry's Heath Issues From Members…He Can No Longer Stand


 

King Gerald Flurry is going to have a hard time anointing Jesus Christ when He returns to Petra to sit upon Gerry's coronation stone so He can be anointed King of Kings when Gerry can't stand to anoint him.

Why is it that the church is filled with so many raving lunatics as it is in 2023? Dave Pack, Bob Thiel, Ron Weinland, and Gerald Flurry. Can the church get any crazier?

Exit and Support Network states:

Gerald Flurry’s Bad Health Is Being Hid From Members:


January 11, 2023 
 
The PCG inner circle know how bad Gerald Flurry’s health is, but are hiding it from the “church.”
His recent falls and inability to stand, or even give messages, are what some are saying may be the result of a suspected stroke. There have been other health incidents which have been occurring during the second part of 2022 that paint a bad picture. He also is no longer flying on the PCG’s private plane–a massive expense supposedly to allow Flurry to reach the world (even though the jet has been used for the kids to attend their dancing competitions). 
 
Flurry’s real health problems being known will be a huge upset as he has built himself up as “king over kings,” destined to personally anoint Christ with the HWA stone at the “place of safety.” (Yeah, it’s as crazy as it sounds). 
 
The whole thrust of the HWA stone, king of kings, royal lineage, failed Trump prophecy, is causing the PCG to crumble. Hiding the truth of his health is treating members like mushrooms. –[name withheld]


Friday, January 13, 2023

Oh No! I've Done It Again!!!! Little Double-Minded Self-Appointed False Prophet Melts Down Over Banned

 


Well, I have done it again. I have somehow gone and got our highly favored Great Bwana to Africa all hot and bothered. The daggers of self-righteous indignation are flashing from that little brick storefront in Grover Beach right now.

I find it fascinating how the little guy which believes he is God's most important Church of God leader in the history of the church, so important that he was part of the divine plan of the ages crafted before creation itself to rise up in these perilous end times to lead the one true remnant church which preaches the pure undiluted truth of God, can be so easily pissed off. Yet, here we are. Again.

This time I am a tool of Satan being used to deliberately keep people out of the Kingdom of God. But, it's not just me, it is many of you rebellious Laodiceans that DARE to mock him and make fun of his self-created myths he pawns off as truths. We are such a rebellious lot that we are "the accusers of the brethren".

Some of Satan’s allies at Banned by HWA website continue to post lies about those of us in Continuing Church of God (CCOG) as well as other COGs. 
 
That is consistent with Satan’s hope as he is called the “accuser of the brethren” which he does do day and night (Revelation 12:10), so it is no great surprise if his lying human assistants spread lies regularly.

Beto Bob believes that Satan is using us to keep people away from the one true church he believes he is running. His is the true Christian faith!

If you are not part of a COG (Church of God), Satan hopes you will dismiss the true Christian faith as a false cult–this is something he and his followers have done throughout history.

So sure of his self-appointment and self-ordination as a COG leader and prophet, he says that scripture itself tells how COG members and former members will denounce him: 

Jesus, Himself, said that people who claimed to believe the Bible often denounced God’s prophets:

11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:11-12)

The problem right off the bat here is that Bob Thiel is NOT a prophet of God. That is abundantly clear to all here. We know he is no more prophet than Dave Pack or Gerald Flurry are. In fact, Beto Bob is EXACTLY like Pack and Flurry.

Beto is particularly perturbed by this:

Notice the following evil that was posted at Banned by HWA:

Bob Thiel has lied to us from day one about God speaking to him in dreams, that he is the only COG doing the work, that he is a prophet, that he is Elisha, Elijah, Zephaniah, Joshua, and many other appropriated personalities (about the only thing left to call himself is Legion). Has Bob ever apologized and will he EVER apologize for lying to us? 
 
Now the above is false witness from Gary Leonard (the webmaster of the above site and the one who posted that).


Everything about Bwana Bob, from his rejection by the Living Church of God to his own self-appointment, has been one falsehood after another. Even Rod Meredith realized towards the end that Bob was mentally unfit to lead any church and that's why he publicly rebuked him from the pulpit, ending any chance that Bob could draw LCG members into his little group. After Meredith's very public rebuke, all the other COG's turned their back on him too. Every Church of God Bob Thiel was in refused  to ordain him, But, it's all my fault,  and you demon-possessed followers here that listen to me and also join in the ridicule:

Satan hopes you will believe lies.

One of the Ten Commandments is, “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20:16).

Yet repeatedly, Gary Leonard has borne false witness.

There is no point in me, Bob Thiel, apologizing for telling the truth.


All of you agents of Satan here that believe me need to REPENT!  NOW!

Gary Leonard and those who believe his lies need to repent.

Bwana Bob then has to start in on his greatest myth ever, the Gaylyn Bonjour blessings. Beto Bob sees these prayers by Bonjour as a sure sign from God that he needed to split off from LCG and form his own church. Bonjour never had any such intention in mind, but Beto says he did.

The truth is on December 15, 2011, LCG minister Gaylyn Bonjour, while laying hands on me, was moved by the Holy Spirit to pray that God would grant me a “double portion” of His Spirit, which Gaylyn Bonjour said was reminiscent of the passing of the mantle from Elijah to Elisha as recorded in 2 Kings 2:9-13. He has always publicly concurred with me that is what happened.

Beto Bob then says this:

Satan hopes that YOU will be lazy and not believe. Satan hopes YOU will not take the time to check out the truth on this. Satan does NOT want YOU to accept that God really has been providing and fulfilling dreams in the 21st century.

A better translation this should read:

Satan hopes that YOU will be lazy and not recognize that Bob Thiel is a liar and a false prophet. YOU will not take the time to check out the truth on this and instead swallow his lies. Satan does NOT want YOU to accept that God has no need of self-appointed little prophets like Bob blaspheming Christ and ignoring all that he accomplished.

Beto Bob then accuses those who read here of this:

Satan wants YOU to think that there are no serious differences between the legitimate COGs so not being part of CCOG is fine. 
 
Satan wants YOU, like most Christians these days, to be Laodicean and not see if these things are so?  
 
Why? 
 
Because he knows Jesus said for unrepentant Laodicean Christians, “I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing” (Revelation 3:16-17).

Bob claims unrepentant Laodiceans who can't tell the difference between the COG groups and Bwana Bob's highly chosen group are deceived by Satan. Bob's problem lies in the fact that we can tell the difference. We have, Bob. We have! And, you have been left by the wayside. Irrelevant. Insignificant.

Beto then launches into his second favorite mythical fantasy, his dream, and the dreams of others. 

The bulk of end time Christians do not truly believe that the New Testament shows that in the end of the last days God will provide dreams to His most faithful. God proceeded the start of the Philadelphia era with a dream to a woman and the start of the CCOG with a dream to a woman.


None of Beto's dreams ever involved Christ at any time, just a bunch of crazy followers hyped up with make-believe hysteria as they try and legitimize Beto's power grab. Big bad meanie Satan wants all of you to discount Beto Bob's dreams. When you do so you become UNSTABLE!

Satan does not want you to take inspired confirmed dreams seriously. He wants you opposed, or at best lukewarm, to that biblical idea. Satan wants you to have enough doubts about God and His promises so that you will be “a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways” (James 1:8).

Beto continues:

Those who believe the false assertions at the Banned by HWA website are among those that love and practices lies. 
 
Those who do so should repent. 
 
Jesus taught:

44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. (Matthew 5:44-45) 
 
Gary Leonard remains in my prayers.

Well, thanks Beto! Never will I turn down prayers! 

The Great Bwana ends his temper tantrum with this:

If you are not part of CCOG, Satan wants you to stay away from it. 
 
He does not want you to be dedicated or noble enough to see if what is written here (and in the related links) is really true. 
 
Can you accept the truth or do you prefer the lying assertions from sites like Banned by HWA?

If you are NOT part of the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" then God wants you to STAY AWAY! If you're a member, then God wants you to LEAVE! Your salvation depends upon it! Do not accept the lies and distortions of Bwana Bob Thiel nor give credence to his dreams.

  



 

 



 

Dave Pack: Great Tribulation Begins this Evening!


 


Tick-Tock Tevet

 

Today is Friday the 13th, and that is scary business here in Wadsworth, but not due to superstition.

 

The next inevitable prophetic disaster for David C. Pack of The Restored Church God is only hours away.

 

Part 413 – January 4, 2023

@ 1:01:32 …the 21st of this month [Tevet – January 14]…the 21st begins the Great Tribulation.

 

Tevet 21 begins at 5:21 PM EDT tonight and ends at 5:22 PM tomorrow. The entire RCG membership will partake in the latest embarrassment for twenty-four hours and one minute.

 

Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

 

The Three Shepherds of Zechariah 11 did not die last weekend. What should that mean?

 

@ 1:17:08 If these guys die in the next three days, we’ve removed all doubt. And God would know this, and I can't tell because it's so cryptic. If they die in the next three days, nobody will doubt that Christ is coming.

 

Brethren in RCG are swimming in doubt. And with good reason. They recently learned Dave’s god has been playing practical jokes on him and the entire church—Major doubts.

 

Their Pestor General has not shown his face since January 4—Bookoo doubts.

 

Combine this with the Pathetic Update from last Friday—Mega-Uber doubts.

 

 

Prophecy Update – Friday, January 6, 2023

Brethren, the process of learning STILL continues! The reason we pointed you toward tonight is that numerous verses definitively lined up for a Sabbath. Some likely come to mind. That said, it is almost certainly not this Sabbath. The many timing elements explained in Pt 413 remain strong, and in some cases grew stronger! Mr. Pack may lay these out in a brief Pt 414 next Tuesday before the Sabbath.

 

 

“the process of learning STILL continues!”

 

That is a nothing statement. Even Jesus Christ learned by His experience in the flesh. Their intent was to imply knowledge but not provide it. The whole paragraph is an Imply Party.

 

“it is almost certainly not this Sabbath”

 

Ha ha. No kidding.

 

Headquarters got in front of the failure. Again. A failure they knew was coming. How did they know? The same way everyone else should. David C. Pack is not being led by God to end the Mystery of God by giving “The Greatest Unending Story!” He is a false apostle and false prophet from whom the brethren should flee.

 

“many timing elements…remain strong, and in some cases grew stronger”

 

What remains strong and grew stronger is a false belief based on fantasy. One week later, those timing elements evaporated, revealing they were never there in the first place.

 

What remains strong and grew stronger is the doubt that the Packian Triad of Fraud know what they are doing. The Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy rush their little hearts out to make the puzzle pieces fit with scissors and glue. Puppet Master Dave tugs the strings, and they gleefully hop and bop at will.

 

What remains strong and grew stronger is the denial the Headquarters enablers exert upon themselves as they sit at their desks doing busy work keeping the duplicity machine afloat. They tell themselves they are “patiently waiting for Christ” while “doing The Work,” but their conscience tells them otherwise.

 

What remains strong and grew stronger is the brethren’s confusion and turmoil. They know things are not “well” inside RCG. They know things are not “well” in their congregations. But they do not know what to do despite the obvious answer being to flee.

 

“Mr. Pack may lay this out…next Tuesday”

 

Yeah. That didn’t happen.

 

No-Show Dave must have been too busy wandering the halls playing 52 Pickup with anyone passing by.

 

What another humiliation for Church Administration. All the wincing, eye-rolling, head-shaking, and forehead-slapping on the second floor make the office look like a live-action anime festival.

 

Someone was calculated enough to insert the one-word escape hatch.

 

“may”

 

This is the most-used safe word in all of The Restored Church of God.

 

We MAY have more time. We MAY have more proofs. We MAY have more math.

 

But the reality is Jesus Christ WILL NOT return on Tevet 21, and David C. Pack WILL NOT be right…ever.

 

 

The scheming of Part 414 is already underway as the clock tick-tocks towards Tevet 21 tonight. This will be David C. Pack’s 38th prophetic date blunder since June last year, making it an official RCG church tradition. I plan on having a cake made for the 50th.

 

Part 413 – January 4, 2023

@ 1:25:09 …a nuclear blast wouldn’t change me…from the simple fact that it's ten days, seven years, a thousand years, and winter. You can't change that.

 

Anticipate him changing that. The ten days will move as they have before because he needs them to shift to keep the crazy train rolling "on track."

 

Time is the mortal enemy of David C. Pack. Time is the mocker and scoffer. Time proves him to be a biblical sorcerer. Time is the murderer of his words.

 

Tick-tock. Tick-tock. Tick-tock.

 

For those inside The Restored Church of God who are confused and do not know what to do, reread “There Came a Falling Away” and “Is ‘That Prophet’ Alive Today?” Listen to the three-part “30 Reasons to Follow the Truth” available in the Member Services Sermon Library.

 

David C. Pack then explains who and what David C. Pack is now.

 


Marc Cebrian

See: Tick-Tock Tevet

True Worldwide Church of God Members Need To Leave All Other COG's Right NOW!!!!!!!!!

 


It is about time all the Laodiceans warming seats got off their butts and joined the one true church led by the Kitchen brothers. Forget Bob Thiel and Dave Pack! No one needs to follow these liars. You must join up with the Kitchen brothers to secure your rightful place in the TRUE Worldwide Church of God they now claim to run. After all, they have stolen all of the old Worldwide Church of God's literature and claim it and the WCG name as their own. Trust them!


When people share and promote the truth, I really do rejoice!
These HWA libraries and collections are really property of the original title owners - The Worldwide Church of God.
That is why most refer to materials used in these libraries are stated as being the publications of the Worldwide Church of God or Herbert W Armstrong or Ambassador College.
That is the owner of title. And I'd like to keep ownership with the original title owners.
Now Mr. Armstrong stated clearly how the Worldwide Church of God was organized.
The Worldwide Church of God was in governing capacity over the various organizations. Organizations like the Pasadena based "WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD, INC" and "AMBASSADOR COLLEGE", or "AMBASSADOR INTERNATIONAL CULTURAL FOUNDATION".
These organizations, were UNDER the umbrella and governance of the Church.
Now operating and administrating (on earth under Christ)both Church and Organizations, we're men of leadership who answered to and followed the apostle of Jesus Christ.
Since Mr. Armstrong's death, some came into the leadership of those organizations and kicked Jesus Christ out, and God out, and created a new church where they did the leading. It became a church and organizations of men. Their Church? Grace Communion International. Their organizations gave benefit to their beneficiaries.
The WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD, INC organization gave benefit to the beneficiary, which was the Worldwide Church of God. The same with Ambassador College and the Foundation.
Satan did not want those organizations to aid and benefit the church at all. So he seized it.
The Church is a spiritual, unincorporated body of believers. Revelation 12:13 explains our time when God's people have been persecuted.
Today, our membership are attending with other organizations.
All I will say now on that is, COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE! This is the Philadelphia era, and we have become laodicean in attitude and have allowed others to overrun us and we let them rule. I know we love our brethren. God's Word says we do. However...we have to be seperated and not be led away into a different identity.
Different works are dividing us by way of different identities. One says we are of the UCG, another says LCG, another COGWA and another RCG and another PCG etc etc etc.
It is dividing us. We collectively are the membership of the Worldwide Church of God!
We just now have to stand up and be counted among the ranks and make distinct where we stand and what we are identified as.