Tuesday, May 16, 2017

LCG Members Now Being Encouraged To Go To Satan's Colleges/Universities In Order To Earn Higher Incomes So They Can Give More To The Church

The Chruch of God has a rich history in disdaining and mocking higher education.  It was always labelled higher education as Satan's education in Satan's colleges and schools.  Part of that disdain came from Herbert Armstrong being ridiculed by his peers for not having a college education.  In his proud, arrogant and boastful mindset, he set about to prove them all wrong by spending countless hours parked in public libraries when he should have been out working at a job and providing for his family.  Armstrong also felt that by associating and being seen with highly successful business men, interviewing them and emulating them, would make him look more educated than he actually was.

Church members were conditioned to look upon the Ambassador Colleges as God's colleges and therefore anything outside of Ambassador was Satan's colleges.  The teachers at Ambassador went out of their way to reinforce to the students that they were at GOD'S COLLEGE and that their education was something more special and elite than anything they could ever receive in the outside world.  That was why they called the Pasadena college the Church of God's version of West Point.

Today in 2017, with several of the splinter groups running one room school house "colleges/universities" in their office buildings, that mindset still prevails.

Doug Winnail is determined to stop that way of thinking, at least in the Living Church of God.  Like everything in Armstrongism, there is an ulterior motive to his thinking.  With church members being educated in worldly colleges/universities or attending good trade colleges, members would have higher incomes and therefore have more money to send into HQ.  Church members should never forget that Meredith and McNair boys need to have expensive yearly paid vacations Feast trips to exotic locales.

The Value of Education: Over the years, some have concluded that getting an education is of little value to Christians. Since Satan is the god of this world, and Christians are commanded to come out of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4; 6:14-18), some have assumed that getting an education in this world is ungodly and/or a waste of time. Such ideas overlook how God has used individuals who were schooled in this world. Moses was raised as a prince in Egypt and was “learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians” (Acts 7:22). Solomon was knowledgeable in many areas (1 Kings 4:32-34), and he collected wise sayings in the book of Proverbs. Daniel was one of several intelligent young Jewish captives who were educated in Babylon “in the language and literature of the Chaldeans” before they were used by God (Daniel 1:3-4). Paul studied at the feet of Gamaliel, the leading rabbi of his day (Acts 5:34-39; 22:3), before being used by God to write 14 books in the New Testament. Numerous studies show that more education and training in a trade result in larger incomes, and this enables Christians to provide better for their families and support for the Work of the Church. Christians who understand the Truth of God and the Plan of God should take advantage of the opportunities to gain an education and marketable skills that will help them prepare to serve others now and in the Kingdom of God. This is one of the reasons why we developed Living University—to help God’s people prepare to lead and teach in Tomorrow’s World.
Have a profitable Sabbath,
Douglas S. Winnail

It's always about the money.


I Know Bob Thiel said...

Are we to assume this means that a Living "university" degree is useless and does not a high-income source potential in the future?

Byker Bob said...

The basic problem is that in most cases, higher education, a greater fund of knowledge, causes one to be a more liberal thinker. It unhinges one from rigid, fundamentalist, constriction.

It also causes one to evaluate one's teachers abd authorities in a church environment. Whenever a totalitarian revolution is being fomented, the first to be exterminated are the intellectuals, the artistic, the free thinkers.

It is unbelievable that HWA didn't make this same connection, that higher education would lead to higher incomes for the church. All he cared about was preserving his own power. Without qualificatuons, he wanted to be the supreme intellect in his church, the great teacher and revelator.

Winnail is driving the final coffin nails into the movement via this proclamation. It has always been geared to "dumb sheep". HWA was a bottom-feeder who appeared to obtain international status built on the backs of the poor and the humble.


DennisCDiehl said...

Satan has always paid better than those educated in God's colleges. Satan asks for no tithes and makes good on retirement obligations and promises as well.

Also the information taught at Satan's colleges has always proved to be more accurate and true, such as the origins of the planet, life and even man himself.

Satan even has religious institutions that give a better view of the origins, intent, politic and authorship of the Holy Scriptures so revered at God's Colleges. He tolerates differences of opinions and very often if the headmasters of any of Satan's colleges, unlike those at God's colleges, go a little off the rails, Satan simply replaces him with a better educated and more talented person. Sometimes even a woman and Satan never worries about that woman ruling over us.

Even in the first of God's Colleges, the Garden of Eden, the Serpent told the truth when he noted: " “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Headmaster God admitted as much when kicking them out of College he noted, "22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken"

It seems that knowing good from evil and then living forever was just perks for the gods and not the students. But Serpent, later promoted to Satan, told the truth of the matter.

Anyway, it is better to go to Satan's colleges. The information is better. The degree is credible and something to be proud of. The lifetime pay is better. You really can have more fun on the weekends and Satan lets you date and marry anyone you wish without having to get it approved by God's faculty.

ilija said...

Why don't you people mind you own bloody business and live Mr. Armstrong alone. I know you are jelaus people but buss of

Anonymous said...

I'm inclined to believe that Douglas simply respects the value of education. It's a common belief, even among the poor. That he has dressed it up in the altruistic church burka, is understandable.

Anonymous said...

In many developed countries, people with university degrees have twice the average wage and half the unemployment rate.

Byker Bob said...

Hey, Ilija, what's a smelly, stained Armani suit laying on a pair of black oxford shoes? Herbert Armstrong with the crap knocked out of him.


Steve J said...

Ilija Korac, maybe you didn't notice the title of this website. You will not too many people here that find HWA a hero such as yourself. I'm sure you'll find websites full of people that continue to feed off his lies and I'm sure you would be welcome.

Anonymous said...

The reason we don't mind our own 'bloody business' is the Armstrong harmed many people with his lies. It is not a right that peoples crimes be hidden.
That's the bloody truth,

Anonymous said...

Don't Be Such A Sleveen !

Helen Wheels said...

Ilija Korac said:

ilija said...

Stive J, if you do not believe in God and any who does is lies for you. Is that so?

Anonymous said...

Is this an implicit acknowledgement by Winnail that we have more than "three to five short years" left?

Anonymous said...

Notice how Winnail subtly admits that Living University is a university "in this world."

This of course raises a question. Why go to Living University when there are thousands of better universities available?

Unknown said...

Do not attend any University that does not have a football team!

Byker Bob said...

What are these "Satan's" colleges called? Aleister Crowley University? Anton LaVey College? Or do certain fools we must abide consider any non-Armstrongite college to be "Satan's?". What horrible, overly simplistic thinking!


Anonymous said...

The Living University faculty have degrees from other sects' colleges, including:

Liberty University (Jerry Falwell's institution)
Loma Linda University (the Seventh-Day Adventist school)
Southern Methodist University

One professor has a degree from LaVerne University, the same school that gave Almost Arrested Elijah Bob Thiel one of his degrees. Another has a degree from the prestigious for-profit DeVry University.

If that's God's College, maybe God really is the author of confusion!

Anonymous said...

LCG has been saying this for decades. Nothing new here. Move along folks, move along.

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

Being an Ambassador College reject in 1973 (thank you Lord - see there is a God), I was devastated at the time. What good am I to God and his Church being rejected by God's College? I wanted to pursue the ministry of the Worldwide Church of God - God's Church. One of my Church friends who was also applying to AC, when I informed her at Sabbath Services that I had been rejected by Ambassador, she informed me that she had been accepted and that she wanted to go to Ambassador because "that's where all the best guys are". Gee thanks, I really needed that kick in the gut while I was down. I can only hope after a lifetime later that somewhere along the line she has learned some tact and sensitivity.

I also applied that same year to Community College which led me to the University of Maryland where I received a B.S. in Finance and Investments, and then onto Drake University for a M.B.A. Best thing that ever happened to me and I owe it all to Dr. William Stenger, Registrar. I still have his reject letter to this day. I went on to have a successful corporate finance career and earned an above average income for most of my career - topping off at the VP level enough to retire early in life. I thank God for his will being done in my life and denying me an Ambassador College education. Who knows, I could have been "one of them".

Oh, and guess what? After being rejected by AC, I left the Church three years later in 1976, and never went back and never gave a cent of my above average income to the Worldwide Church of God or any of its future splinters. They didn't profit a penny off me!

Thank you Lord for showing me the way out of the WCG despite family estrangement, and for being an Ambassador reject before any more damage could be done in my life.


Anonymous said...

6.28 PM
Just curious Richard. Were you baptized?

Steve J said...

Ilija Korac, exactly where did you read into what I said that I didn't believe in God? You somehow think when I said HWA is a liar that means anyone who believes in God in a liar?You're reading into things that aren't there. I'm sure Herbie love people like you.

nck said...

"I can only hope after a lifetime later that somewhere along the line she has learned some tact and sensitivity."

A lifetime of above average income will not mend the "best guys" scar!

What might be of help is facebook.
Just look her up and 88% of the time one is relieved and healed through the wonderous powers of Mr Zuckerb.

There is of course the occassional flash to the past and one instantly fall in love with the specimen in question. But that is not a problem if she lives 3000 miles away.
On the other hand, she might just be a block away and just be widowed.

In any case. Best to not follow my advice.

So if there are any young ladies out there. That nerdy church guy you hate might just become an upstanding citizen and the jock you love might end up ........ a minister of a shrinking church. So date widely........as they say.


Anonymous said...

Doug Winnail concludes with saying: "...This is one of the reasons why we developed Living University—to help God’s people prepare to lead and teach in Tomorrow’s World..."

"Tomorrow's World" is a buzz-worded phrase for their Mickey Mouse Millennium where Doug still believes, contrary to scripture, that Jesus Christ will reign on earth for 1,000 years. There is no scripture backing up that silly theory. Jesus Christ will be at the Father's right hand until all enemies are subdued and put down. Death is the last enemy. Satan's "goes bananas" at the end of his 1,000 year pit-stop and is released to deceive the entire world again...including Doug's "Tomorrow's World." Where was Jesus Christ? Doug Winnail? Any of the "little helpers" of HWA then?

You want more of this world's education? Think about a Dan Rogers, who got lots of "higher" education from other Colleges/Universities...he used to be in charge of the ministry in the Grace Communion cog. Where is Dan today? They all backed up right into Protestantism. Well, Joe Tkach Sn said he would walk in HWA's footsteps, which only went backwards. He did quite a job on that. End result? Scattering of people all over the planet in a confused state of mind!

Doug, what's wrong with Azoozoo Univ? Go there!

The United Ass. abandoned the title "The Good News." Don't you think it is time to abandon the phrase "Tomorrow's World."

Oh, there is a fantastic world/time ahead for the entire world...as mentioned by the Apostle Paul:

"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT imputing their trespasses unto them..." 2 Corinthians 5:19

That is a future you, Doug (Yes, Weston, Malm, Flurry, Pack, Franks, Cox...etc too), are ignorant of.

Paul knew what he was talking about...good news for the world! Fit that into your silly theory. Actually, just abandon your false theories and preach the truth for a change. Don't worry about that mammon, but it still is God or mammon. Which is it really for you?

Time will tell...


Glenn said...

John @6:25 am (aka, "Time will tell.") asked, "Where is Dan (Rogers) today? Dan is retired from GCI and staying busy doing a little teaching, helping younger GCI ministers develop their skills and dealing with life's issues in various forms like the rest of us. I think it is safe to say that he is happy he got lots of higher education from non AC sources.

Anonymous said...

Christ reigning for a thousand years is very much in the bible. Why challenge something so obvious? Are you competing with Dennis the spiritual menace?

Revelation 20.4 ..and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

ilija said...

Stiven, in what God do you believe. God that you created and manipulated. If you believe in real God you will not rubbish any one specially Mr. Armstrong who preached gospel to all world. If you do not believe in Armstrong work what do you then believe

Anonymous said...

God used a wicked Balaam, so God using someone doesn't make them a good person. The bible itself 'rubbishes' Balaam.
You could call Herbie Herbert Balaam Armstrong.

Steve J said...

Ilija Korac, there ya go. Basically you're saying, "If you don't believe in what Herbert Armstrong says then you don't believe in God". I'll make this simple for you. HWA told hundreds of false prophesy and by Deu. 18:22 that means he is not of God. He plagiarized all sorts of work (stealing) and saying God gave him this info. (lying) He preached British Isrealism which is wrong and has huge holes in it plus DNA (which God created) proves it's incorrect. He is hypocritical. Telling people to not seek medical help then taking a lot of medication. Also forbidding birthdays because getting gifts is self indulging but he spent millions of tithe buying himself fine art. Sending out letters saying there is a urgent need for money when there wasn't, he just wanted to buy himself more expensive things. (more lies) He used religion to pocket money. I could go on and it all comes down to the fact he was a fraud.

Anonymous said...

Glenn at May 18, 2017 at 12:18 PM,

Thanks for the Dan Rogers update; glad to hear he is doing well.


Anonymous said...

Anon at May 18, 2017 at 2:41 PM, you commented to me saying: "Christ reigning for a thousand years is very much in the bible. Why challenge something so obvious? Are you competing with Dennis the spiritual menace?"

And then you cited Revelation 20:4, 6-7, which all mention those who will live and reign with Jesus Christ "a thousand years;" however, those verses say nothing about reigning ON EARTH!

Yes, absolutely yes, "Christ reigning for a thousand years is very much in the bible," but I did not deny or challenge that statement at all.

I wrote: ""Tomorrow's World" is a buzz-worded phrase for their Mickey Mouse Millennium where Doug still believes, contrary to scripture, that Jesus Christ will REIGN ON EARTH for 1,000 years."

Again, your citing of Rev 20:4, 6-7 says NOTHING about EARTH!

And you won't find anything about EARTH unless you grab another verse, taken out of context like so many others have done, and strive to slip that into their silly theory of a Mickey Mouse Millennium.

I am glad to see you did not do as so many others strive to do to make their silly theory of reigning a 1,000 years ON EARTH magically work out. That would be a Mickey Mouse Millennium.

Scriptures make it obvious that Jesus Christ will not be reigning on earth for a 1,000 years.

And no, I am not competing with any "Dennis the spiritual menace."

Again, time will tell...