Friday, July 14, 2017

Dave Pack: "...he truly fears for those who are sitting on assets but just can't quite "pull the trigger and reach into their wallet."

Poor Dave Pack.  It looks like some of this members are not being too respectful to him now that he is demanding all of their assets once again.  Could it possibly be true that some are finally waking up to what a fraud he is?

July 4, 2017 
I attended RCG services for several months before realizing that David Pack is a total fraud.  
The last few sermons I was able to read online, before I was removed from the member portion of RCG's website, have him practically demanding that his congregants give all their money to "the Work" as the end is very near.  
In the four months I attended I noticed how obsessed he was with "the splinters" all the time stating that any day now the people in the splinters would be flicking to him now that God had given him the knowledge of Daniel's unsealed book. (Which is the basis for the 75 plus sermon series.) 
Then last month he did a complete 180¬ļ and stated that the splinters would not be coming to him and that he would not be expanding his campus--but he still needs all of our money to continue "the Work." He went as far as to say that he truly fears for those who are sitting on assets but just can't quite "pull the trigger and reach into their wallet." He reminded the women (in which I assume there are more of in his "church") that they are entitled to half of the marital assets. Stated several times in a loud voice that he "needs funding now!" 
He also made the statement, in a sort of roundabout way, that some were sort of questioning him or being disrespectful to his authority which is something that didn't used to happen back in the older days where respect was of more importance than it is now. I took that as sort of a warning he was indirectly giving to his congregants--sort of letting them know in advance that he did not like it. He stated that one of his ministers just quit.  
I was truly surprised to see the beautiful Mercedes Don Conard (minister who headed the Iowa/Nebraska/Missouri area) drove. I knew that he lived in Topeka and so just a general Internet search of name, property, etc., I discovered the very expensive house he resides in, on a lake with long dock and boat, that happens to be in his wife's name only. (She does not attend nor believe in what her husband believes in.) Now there's a very convenient reason Don Conard has for not being able to give all he has to "the Work."  
I feel like such a fool, but I wasn't one for very long. I appreciate your work on your website. --Escaped RCG


Byker Bob said...

"Preacher man talking on TV, puttin' down the rock n roll
Wants me to send a donation, cause he's worried about my soul
He said "Jesus walked on the water", and I know that it's true
But sometimes I think that preacher man, would like to do a little walkin' too.

But, I ain't askin' nobody for nothin'
If I can't get it on my own
If you don't like the way I'm livin'
You just leave this long haired country boy alone."

Charlie Daniels, 1975


Illinois Anonymous said...

I attend A RCG congregation and I can tell you that most of us don't actually trust David Pack. The only reason I attend this farce is because my my is hooked into this shit!

Lake of Fire Church of God said...

Not only does the wolf Dave Packatolla sounds desperate for money, he also displays a criminal mentality - the brethren's assets are his entitlement for the taking. He displays some of the works of the flesh coveting and lusting after the fruits of other peoples' life labors. Makes me wonder about the terms of his bank loan he obtained to fund his "white elephant" campus. Perhaps Dave is close to missing a payment and therefore the desperation. Glad the writer woke up to the fraud before he/she got too hurt by the experience.

Why does it take 75 plus sermons for Dave to explain the knowledge of Daniel's unsealed book? Is it really that complicated? If it were "of God", somehow I don't think God would make it so complicated that it takes 75 plus sermons to explain, IMHO.


Anonymous said...

Anyone got the map coordinates for RCG employee Don Conard's lakeside mansion? Would love to see how those on secret RCG salaries live!

Anonymous said...

Mr. Pack is correct, the end is near. The banks want their money now!!!

Anonymous said...

Don Conard is very wealthy. But, he is smart, and like others in RCG with unconverted wives, he put most things in her name. However, if he was really smart, he would not be involved with this group. He must not be getting salvation, according to Dave.

There are still people in RCG who have not given all. I wonder why they stay? If they truly believe what Dave is teaching, they would give everything (Mercedes included) to Pack.

Anonymous said...

I hope "Escaped" doesn't think that the Church is like that....they weren't involved in the Church, they were involved in Dave Pack's organization.

If the main office of my group ever tried to put me on a guilt trip over the amount I gave, I'd be gone in a heartbeat, but they are not like that. They appreciate anything anyone can give. I have never heard any minister imply that anyone is not giving enough.

Anonymous said...

Illinois Anonymous said...
I attend A RCG congregation and I can tell you that most of us don't actually trust David Pack. The only reason I attend this farce is because my my is hooked into this shit!

Please get out while you can Illinois. Why keep funding Pack's empire when you know it is not going well there? I also left RCG and am much happier now.

Connie Schmidt said...

Biker Bob has inspired me! Here was a hit song from back in the 70s called SIGNS by the Five Man Electrical Band , that certainly applies ...

And the sign said, "Everybody welcome. Come in, kneel down and pray"
But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn't have a
penny to pay
So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign
I said, "Thank you, Lord, for thinkin' 'bout me. I'm alive and doin' fine."

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin' out the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign?

Assistant Coffee Maker said...

Illinois, make recordings for me, they will get posted.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know about Pack's supposed heart condition, mentioned on Exit and Support?

Anonymous said...

Just see the contrast between the groups. Tomorrow, July 15, the Meredith family will be opening up Dr. Meredith's house, offering to the brethren any miscellaneous items not claimed by family members.

The address is 5310 Addington Court, Charlotte, NC 28277

Remaining items include: decorative knick-knacks and dishes, furniture, pictures, lots of books and clothes, and other miscellaneous items. Anything still in the house by the end of the day Sunday will be given to Goodwill.

Would Dave Pack dream of doing something like this?

Anonymous said...

And Jesus said unto them, give back to ceasar what is Caesars, and give back to God what is God's.
By their fruits you shall know them.
If you love God you keep his commandments not to kill, not to give false witness, not to commit adultry, to honor your parents...not David packs bottomless pit mammon demands.
It is incredible that in these days Dave Pack makes more outrageous demanding requests on brethrens money than hwa ever did. Planting troubling seeds in married women's minds by openly discussing how half their assets belong to them.
Will Dave Pack sell all his assets? will Dave Pack give all that he owns ? Will Dave Pack go without ? No never.

Anonymous said...

@ 11:40AM

For anyone who wants to stop by, the Meredith home will be open from 9:00 a.m. through 4:00 p.m. on Sunday, July 16.

Connie Schmidt said...

Thiel will be stopping by the Meredith house for a pickup. He hopes there are some shoes still around. That way he can claim "I am walking in Rod Meredith's shoes" !

Byker Bob said...

Did he have any vintage vehicles or motorcycles? Firearms? Modern art or furniture? Electric guitars and amps, collection of rock and blues CD's? No? Oh well. Just cancelled my flight.


Anonymous said...

Thiel will try to get a proper bookshelf and curtains from Rods house.

DennisCDiehl said...

Dave Pack's days as the amazing person he perceives himself to be are numbered. You can't send it all in two or three more times. Those who were skeptical, cautious and using common sense, even if they stayed in RCG did not put all their eggs, nor will they, into Dave's basket.

Dave's delusional theology will come unglued soon and the panic of karma on the horizon will push him on to greater foolishness hastening his irrelevance, as if he were relevant now.

He will prove to be, yet again, a cautionary tale on personality disorders in ministry and just how far they can go in expressing themselves all for nothing and to no avail save for the people involved who will learn the lesson like no others can.

This foolish theology of Dave Pack and the brain dead ministry he generally hides from the public will implode soon.

"...and no brethren, I am not a prophet" just confident of seeing the end from the beginning of this one.

Sweetblood777 said...

I am amazed that Dave is still around walking on two feet.

I figured that by now someone in his tiny group would have gone postal and sent him off to await the resurrection, but Yahweh must be waiting to see how long it is going to take for his disturbed flock to wake up.

Minimalist said...

Even before the Magnificent campus is completed..
Are they now at the threshold of Disintegration?!

The End
"This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end..

Desperately in need, of some, stranger's hand
In a, desperate land
Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane, all the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah
There's danger on the edge of town
Ride the King's highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine.."

Byker Bob said...

In biology, an organism which ceases to grow is by definition dying. All of the plausible factors which caused Armstrongism to grow during its prime are no longer present, and show no signs of returning. Some have even become irrevocably and ignominiously debunked.

Can anyone think of any factor which would cause massive numbers of people to turn or return specifically to Armstrongism? In the coming decades, people may gradually be convinced to minimize their carbon-footprints, or to hoard gold or survivalist foods, but disasters in recent history have proven that while they may return to their own church of choice, they do not stream into the Armstrong churches (how do you even find them or get through the screening processes?) in massive numbers. What credible solution does Armstrongism have to offer, that is not available through other channels? What evidence currently observable in any of these groups would support supernatural protection for the members?

HWA claimed to have preached the gospel of Jesus Christ around the world, to have fulfilled the great commission. Yet others have preached the gospel around the world. Dr. Gene Scott's network reached many more people in remote places around the world than HWA could have ever hoped to reach, and Dr. Scott's message was available 24-7. Plus, he never equivocated or wussed out, disguising it as a gospel about trade or a strong hand from somewhere.


Anonymous said...

Can anyone think of any factor which would cause massive numbers of people to turn or return specifically to Armstrongism?

Only in an Idiocracy world could Armstrongism restore its past losses and flourish again. Ow, My Tribulation! might scare truly stupid people who don't know how to search the Internet and find out the history of Armstrongist prophetic failure.

Seriously, who would want to become part of an ACOG today? You probably discovered your ACOG because you were avidly interested in learning the truth, but once you find your ACOG your avid desire to learn more will be crushed, and you will be told that the truth is in your group's booklets but not in the booklets of that bad, bad group over there. ACOG ministers have perfected the art of infantilizing long-time members and their born-into-the-faith descendants, but those techniques simply do not work on thoughtful new recruits.

Furthermore, let's remember that during the "boom years" of Armstrongism, it wasn't easy to find HWA's infamous 1934 Plain Truth in which he wrote of pyramid inches and of Mussolini as the end-time Beast ushering in the Tribulation before 1940. Today, thanks to the Internet, anyone can see that HWA reinvented himself a couple of times in his earliest years before settling on the formula that carried him from the late 1940s through 1975. If you know all of this but still choose to sign up with an ACOG, there's not much hope for you. Fortunately, very few people do.

Anonymous said...

When the Music's over,
The Utility will...
Turn out the lights
When the music's over
When the music's over, yeah
When the music's over
Turn out the lights
Turn out the lights..

Anonymous said...

@ 3:47

There is a house in Edmond
They call the House of God
It's been the ruin of many a tithin' man
And God, I once was one.

Oh, Mother, tell your children
Not to do something so odd.
You should spend your money on family and fun
Not on the House of God.

Anonymous said...

As nice as it sounds to share something of rod meredith personal belongings with the brethren it is also rather unsettling and has the whiff of idolatry.