Thursday, July 13, 2017

Unordained False Prophet Still Lying That He Was Ordained By Living Church of God



Bob Thiel is lashing out at the Living Church of God, yet again, for publicly telling potential recruits to his personality cult that he was not ordained by the Living Church of God and is not to be considered ordained with proper credentials.

This has always been a bitter pill for Thiel and has been a serious blow to his pretentious priggishness.  Vanity has always been the thorn-in-the-side of so many deluded self-appointed Church of God leaders. The pompous vainglorious attitudes of so many COG splinter leaders has initially brought in significant numbers of people to their personality cults, but as time goes by and members see the false veneer stripped away revealing the haughty and arrogant personalities of the leaders, the members start to drift away. The men become more deluded and narcissistic with each passing day.  More and more absurd demands and revelations for their followers are dished out as God-sent teachings.

All of these men, in order to establish themselves as God's one and the only man with the truth, will develop all kinds of myths and outright lies about their station in the church.  Almost all present day COG leaders have been ordained by "proper" succession through the ranks of the previous alliterations of the church.  All of them except one, Bob Thiel.

Bob Thiel was never ordained in the Living Church of God, never was given the title of ordination, never received an ordination certificate with an official seal of the LCG (or any other COG), was never officially asked to be a minister, and was never officially blessed to be a minister.  Regardless of that, he still is lying that he was.

07/10/17 a.m. Recently, I got an email from someone interested in the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) who was being discouraged from being part of CCOG by one or more ministers in LCG along with one in COGWA. Basically, these ministers inaccurately claimed that I was not ordained, hence wanted to warn this person should stay away from CCOG.
LCG and COGWA ministers are entirely right in encouraging members to stay as far away from Bob Thiel as possible.

Thiel goes on  to promote the myth that Gaylyn Bonjour specifically prayed over him with the deliberate intent of raising him to the office of Minister in the Body of Christ.  Gaylyn Bonjour has specifically DENIED he ever had any such intent, yet Thiel continues to lie this is how he was officially ordained.
The fact that I was anointed by an LCG minister, Gaylyn Bonjour, who prayed that God would grant me a 'double-portion' of His Spirit was apparently not relevant to them. Nor is the fact that the anointing minister told afterwards me that he knew what he seemed have done and that what he did could not be taken away. Since this anointing was a private matter (like King David, see 1 Samuel 16:1-9; see also Laying on of Hands)....
Thiel has always been embarrassed about this and it has been a public humiliation for him and has made him the object of some hilarious ridicule.  Thiel found a new way around this humiliating experience by having one of his African "converts" lay hands on him and "anoint" him with new and special gifts he had been previously lacking.  They anointed him believing Thiel was already ordained.  This so-called "anointing" was done by several church hopping men who have jumped ship from one Sabbatarian group to the next as money and positions provided them with more importance.  This is the common practice of a large part of the Sabbatarian related churches in Africa and has been well-documented by church and relief organizations.
...later I was ordained again in public (like David, see 2 Samuel 2:4; 5:3). On 02/09/17 by Evangelist Evans Ochieng (formerly of GCG) and Overseer Samuel Ofosu (formerly of CG7) both laid hands on my for my anointing. So, it is improper to claim that I have not been ordained.
Thiel still has never been ordained to the rank of deacon, elder, pastor, evangelist, chief overseer, or any other position.  He has self-appointed himself to those positions using deception, half-truths, and outright lies.

Thiel also claims he is the end time prophet of the Church of God.  Hundreds if not thousands of prophets have popped up in the Church of God that Herbert Armstrong founded over 80 years ago.

Thiel is still trying to give the impression to his gullible African followers that his prophet status came in a dream where his god told him he was a prophet.  Imagine how many prophets the world would have after someone eating some bad Chinese food like Thiel did.   Some unclean shrimp juice disturbed Bob's delicate tummy so much that he was having nightmares and voila!...he dreams he is a prophet!
One question all should ask is regarding me is, "How does God make known that one is a prophet?" 
It is not the way many seem to think. It is not based upon the decision of some minister nor a group of men. 
The BIBLE teaches:
6 Hear now My words:
If there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision;
I speak to him in a dream. (Numbers 12:6)
Sadly, most people will not believe that--but that is what God said.
The butt hurt of being publicly dismissed as a fool by Rod Meredith still messes with Thiel's mind.

But anyway, none of that matters because Thiel had TWO dreams!  TWO nightmares and voila!  He is a prophet!  Then a deluded LCG member elsewhere in the world ate some bad Chinese food and voila!  Bob's a prophet!  Just like that, Thiel has his prophethood status nailed, all thanks to some bad shrimp juice.

Bitter prophet Bob continues on with this serious jump-to-conclusions by claiming that two LCG ministers said he was such a prophetic man that he needed no anointing to be a prophet.  I can almost guarantee you that these two men never had any intention of declaring Bitter Bob a prophet when they said that to him. Just as Thiel has taken Gaylyn Bonjour's blessing and twisted it into something else, Thiel has taken these two men's comments and twisted it to mean something other than what they intended. However, Thiel was still disappointed and embarrassed that he had no legitimate ordination and Gaylyn Bonjour hits the scene!  The miracle of miracles!
The Bible also teaches:
28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? (1 Corinthians 12:28-30).
Now, does that mean that no anointing is needed? 
Well, a month or two before Gaylyn Bonjour anointed me, two LCG ministers told me that I did NOT need a special ordination or anointing to be a prophet. I stated that, in my case at least, I felt otherwise. Then I prayed something would happen to clarify this in December 2011, and something did. The unexpected prayer for a 'double-portion' of God's Spirit by LCG minister Gaylyn Bonjour. God answered that prayer.
Thiel ends his spiel with using Herbert Armstrong's bitter rant that church members and others claimed he was a false prophet. Since it has been well documented that Herbert Armstrong uttered HUNDREDS of failed prophecies, he has been proven to be a false prophet.  Remember, it only takes ONE failed prophecy and scripture warns believers to stay away from the person/

Bitter Thiel is on a slippery slope if he needs to use HWA as a tool of legitimization.  Two lying fools do not create a truthful prophet of God.

Now also consider something that Herbert Armstrong wrote:
PERSECUTORS HAVE CALLED me a "false prophet." Now how would you KNOW whether the accusation IS true- or false? ... Actually, it probably is not very important to you to know whether my persecutors are right or wrong, when they call me dirty names, hurl epithets, resort to innuendo, impute sinister motives, strive to discredit, attempt character assassination. What is important to YOU is whether what you read in The PLAIN TRUTH really is the truth - whether what you hear over The WORLD TOMORROW broadcast is true- not whether I, as an individual, am true or false.  

I think our readers know by now that we always say: "DON'T believe what we say because you believe in us." We say "Listen with open mind, without prejudice, then CHECK UP in your own Bible-prove whether it is true, and BELIEVE what you find proved!" I don't seek to induce people to believe in ME-I seek to lead them to believe in JESUS CHRIST! (Armstrong HW. Personal from the Editor. Plain Truth, May 1966, pp. 2) 
You may search the Bible from beginning to end. You'll find the true prophets, apostles, ministers of God put first emphasis on the right CAUSE, not the effect. They proclaim THE WAY that leads to peace, happiness, security, and finally, eternal life. In Bible language, this means that God's Word, and God's true prophets and ministers put first emphasis on God's LAW...God sends HIS prophets and ministers to proclaim the RIGHT WAY, to show people that they are going the WRONG WAY, to cause them to turn around and get back on the RIGHT WAY through Jesus Christ by God's free grace... 
God's true servants are not OF this world nor of its ways. (Armstrong HW. Personal from the Editor. Plain Truth, May 1966, pp. 2, 44-45)



23 comments:

Byker Bob said...

He'd be better off ignoring his critics, damn the torpedo style, and just doing whatever he believes his calling is. His problem is that even if some other ACOG leader hadn't said anything to one of his prospects, Bob himself is always talking about it.

BB

Dennis Diehl said...

You're not being persecuted Bob. You're bring scrutinized and found wanting as did the Ephesians to those who claimed to be sent and were not.

Opinionated said...

Maybe Bob can have Dennis Diehl ordain him. He was a minister once upon a time.

What's it worth to you Bobby boy?

Anonymous said...

I like the way so many of these so-called ministers jump ranks from Deacon to Preaching Elder or Local Elder to Prophet. Aren't there steppingstones in between?

Anonymous said...

Herb says don't beieve, check with your bible. But once inside his church, it's the exact opposite. Believe your minister, forget the bible, or you wake up with a horses head in your bed.
The outer face and inner face thingy.

Anonymous Alabama said...

The ACOG Is Full Of Ignorant-Ass Ministers. Not Just Bod But Also David Pack And That Old Drunk Gerald Flurry .

Connie Schmidt said...

YES BOB IS ORDAINED!

He used the same unprotected toilet seat once that Rod Meredith had sat on in a Dennys Coffee Shop, and the "laying on of cheeks" was indeed performed!

I Knew Bob Thiel in LCG said...

Now you all know why so many of us in LCG disliked on Thiel. His ego is bigger than his biblical knowledge, which is rather small. He will go out of his way to lie in order to make himself look important.

Hoss said...

Interesting that authority is being claimed through an organization and individuals that are later discredited.

these ministers inaccurately claimed that I was not ordained

Yes, make sure the LCG minister accurately claims that Bob was not ordained.

Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, make Myself known to him in a vision; I speak to him in a dream. Num 12:6

This has to do with Aaron and Miriam claiming they are also prophets and challenging the authority of Moses. Verse 7 puts Moses above “ordinary” prophets.

In the defense through HWA we see:

What is important to YOU is whether what you read in The PLAIN TRUTH really is the truth - whether what you hear over The WORLD TOMORROW broadcast is true- not whether I, as an individual, am true or false.

So – as long what Bob writes and preaches is true, it doesn’t matter whether he himself is true or false? Then he shouldn’t be wasting so much time defending his assumed leadership position, and more in editing his writing and videos to remove all the mistakes and correcting the errors.

Anonymous said...

yall gave me the impression that you dont even accept the authority or legitimacy of any of the cogs, so why harp on dr. thiels claims about a certain organization ordaining him when you presumably have no regard for that group in the first place (or do you?)...

Anonymous said...

you represent they of german surname well, frau schmidt...

True Bread said...

I've learned over the years that any person CLAIMING to be a prophet most certainly is not one....

RSK said...

Bob.. you just trifling now.

Anonymous said...

Ordination is such a farce. Want to be ordained? Google ordinations on your computer. You can get any number of them. I even have an atheist ordination.

Anyone can set up a corporate church with a board of directors and articles of incorporation, set up an official looking seal and proclaim anyone they so desire to be a minister. I got such an ordination down in Louisiana in 1997. The certificate hangs right over me on the wall I'm facing. I got it because I wanted to do wedding ceremonies. I've done a few hundred in the interim, and they're perfectly legal and legally recorded in the state of Arizona. I don't have much faith in anything in the Bible, but it is stated there that Jesus was asked constantly what his authority was. Everybody wants to bow down to some authority and the smart and crafty among us are adept at claiming that authority so they can bleed us white for financial support. I won't play that game, and although I get reasonable fees for doing a wedding, I no longer have any idea where most of those people are or if their marriages have been successful. One poor girl last year found out she had been snookered by a disreputable guy called to ask what she needed to do. I had left the license with them to take into the court, and when I asked, she said they never took it in. She was overjoyed when I told her all she had to do was tear it up since she was not legally recorded as married. Now, that's a divorce on the cheap!

A lot of legalities leave me considerably less than impressed. The main thing I got out of that ordinaation of mine was a belated nice honeymoon trip to New Orleans and rather nice resort in Roberts on the north side of the Ponchitrain. I think that organisation is pretty much defunct now, but I've had no real reason to remain in contact.

Allen C. Dexter

Hoss said...

eating some bad Chinese food

Chinese food seems to be blamed for a number of COG problems. I would think it would have been Mexican. I can remember how ministers could gulp down the four-alarm chili and add extra hot sauce to the dishes - contradicting something HWA wrote about "healthy" food.

As for Chinese, we changed from California Beef Noodles to a higher-class place called Mian-dui-main. Not only was it less tacky and better service, Bob may take interest in the inter-lingual wordplay: the name is usually translated as “face to face” (Num. 12:7) but can also mean “noodle to noodle” – head to head, mind to mind – a mind meld. They also serve less ambiguous fortune cookies.

Byker Bob said...

This is just my opinion, but I consider my ordination from Universal Life Church to have greater validity not only than Bob Thiel's African or contested Gay Bonjour ordination, but actually my ordination is more valid than HWA's by COG-7, or any of the Armstrongite ordinations that have happened over the past 90 years. Armstrongism is bogus, so no accomplishment within that organization counts for anything. As Reverend Bob, I have not co-opted anyone's lives, and I haven't even lied about Santa Claus, let alone Jesus or the Germans. I also haven't taken anyone's tithes, although I've helped some needy ones along the way. How many COGlodyte ministers can say they are net givers rather than net takers?

BB

Anonymous said...


True Bread on July 13, 2017 at 7:50 PM said...“I've learned over the years that any person CLAIMING to be a prophet most certainly is not one....”


I've learned over the years that any person CLAIMING to be a prophet most certainly IS a lying false prophet.

nck said...

The fact that anyone can start a church is one of the defining characteristics about amwrica. It is the epitomzation of the democratizing of religion.

Hwa was so right in equalling the church with americas (manifest) destiny and the mission of called out "israel."

Not that I am loyal to that cause although it has served the western world well so far.

Nck

Anonymous said...

"
Not that I am loyal to that cause although it has served the western world well so far."

Actually, it's served international banking well. Any nation that has resisted the international bankers has ended up invaded and destroyed by us. We're all slaves to the banking cabal that runs this world.

Allen C. Dexter

Byker Bob said...

Good use of Pinocchio's image and the story which that evokes. The only difference is that Pinocchio actually had the hope of becoming a real boy. Bob Thiel has absolutely zero hope of becoming a real prophet.

BB

nck said...

Allen,

I basically agree. Although "bankers" are intermediaries.

From this "hobby niche perspective" the problem was adressed in "a world held captive". Although one has to skip the extra terrestrial mumbo jumbo on Satan and spirits. Everything that happens is mans own doing.

It can be argued that the bankers are doing gods job in apreciating the risks that accompany the gain. Perhaps the bible was gods manual for "risk management" or "compliance" in turning deserts into roses.

International banking, globalism. Give it a tag name. It's all true. And has also enabled us to communicate this way for "free" as a flipside of the coin.

Nck

Anonymous said...

What is a "real prophet," BB? I've never encountered any, and I have serious questions about those set forth in the bahbull. We have lots of insightful journalists, etc. today, but I don't think they usually claim any special prophetic gifts from any supernatural source. Dan Rather is one. So is Rachel Maddow, etc.

Allen C. Dexter

Byker Bob said...

Allen, whether or not there are or ever were real prophets, Bob Thiel has zero chance of becoming one. That is something over which we can unite on common ground whether or not prophets could be real. Bob Thiel ain't gonna be one! All he will ever do is teach and perpetuate Armstrongism, and no particular insights are required in order for him to do that.

BB