from the comments:
Dave Pack is looking forward to all the ministers who left RCG over the last 20 years to be put to death, either burned alive or being cut in half with a sword.
He has been fixated on killing people who leave his group now for at least 2 years.
The quotes below are taken from a sermon given before Atonement. The comments are pretty clear to me. He associates anyone not “with him” as an antichrist and worthy of death. (They signed their death warrant and orphaned their children, pretty screwed up stuff here) First however their right eye and arm will be crippled. The timeline he gives is just before, or after the Feast.
Maybe the former RCG ministers can sound off after the Feast to let us know they are ok!
Quotes from Dave Pack - "A Non Prophecy Sermon"
Dave Pack - (36:32)
"Here's what he said. Now you're going to have to decide what an antichrist is. We read what John said. Let's see what Christ said about antichrists. "He, that is not with me is against me. And he, that gathers not with me, scatters abroad." If you're not with him [ministers who left] in gathering you're you're against him in scattering. That means you're against Christ. That means you're an antichrist, which means you don't have the Holy spirit.
That's the definition of an antichrist against Christ. Now, therefore, another Jesus. And none of them will say I'm against Christ. So you're going to have to believe him, not them. Now we have a lot of wonderful faithful ministers and in no way, no way have our faithful ministers been, come into question in my mind. I'm just telling you if a minister leaves, now you need to have the background."
Dave Pack - (~43:02)
If you watch some minister, leave the church, that man, you said, well, he was never converted. He has sinned unto death. He signed his death warrant and he's orphaned his children. He will not live! Christ said he burns corrupt trees. And before that, I'm going to tell you exactly when it is. They're going to lose an eye on an arm. A lot of things are clear. It almost becomes its own indicator that we're running out of time. We had a burst of antichrists. It's wonderful because we're not paying thieves anymore. One of them didn't want to go to his feast assignment. He's worried about getting the COVID. And so when we told him, "No, you gotta go to where your feast is." He quit! I wasn't there when he stamped his feet. I just know he did. I know the man. And I know he did. Do not pray for these people. You're supposed to know when somebody sins a sin unto death. I've wrestled for decades and other ministers have too well. How would you know that? Well, if they're scattering against Christ, they're blaspheming, the Holy Spirit, they're Corrupt Trees. They're going to be burned, period. End of story. It's not a mystery. So when you see that don't ever pray for that minister. You're praying for an enemy of God who doesn't have the Holy spirit, who isn't going to repent. Why? Because he's a thief and they only come to steal, murder and destroy or kill and destroy.
Dave Pack - (48:10)
“And there are people leave us and beat us. They begin to beat us. Some of them don't get very far. My Lord delays. His coming ...This is something people who leave us would say, and they beat us and people still don't go. And they begin to smite their fellow servants to eat and drink with the drunken. I've watched them. You never hear the follow up. These guys go out and they literally go back to the world.
...The Lord of that servant will come a day when he's not looking for him in an hour, that he's not aware. They blew off what they were taught here and cut them in two. That's what it says, cut them in two. And they're going to weep and gnashing their teeth. They're going to wait a little while, with one eye and one arm. But that's what it says. They know God's plan. Well, this can't be the dead. The dead aren't doing those things. The dead aren't saying “my Lord delays his coming,” It can’t be Laodicea. They don't know they're blind. They're not looking for Christ. It has to be people who left us and Christ calls them evil, wicked kickoffs, worthless servants. Well, they were only worth they have is that they eventually left and they stopped being paid and people under them aren't anymore.”
Dave Pack - (1:22:25)
Now we could go all the way past the Feast. It seems hard to imagine, but you know, all these verses, he won't tarry won't tarry won't tarry, but wait, wait, wait, wait. And you have a need to be patient. I don't know. Maybe we'll go after the feast. It's gotta be when people are at work. So it won't be during the 10 days of the Feast. But it could be tonight too. Can't be on Atonement. Can't be today. Today's almost over, but terrible, terrible, terrible things are happening.
It is so convenient that before this sermon, Pack has already began instructing the entire church how to deal with ministers/people who leave.
He says ministers who leave are hoping that "you [the church] are stupid and dumb enough to follow them".
Pack has been heard before by many minister calling the brethren idiots. As a former employee i have sat in staff meetings where he would call us stupid.
RCG is in extreme damage control mode, telling all their members not to read any posts, letters, emails or engage with former members.
He says it's a sin if you do. This is one masterful way to block people from seeing the other side that is not so often spoken about.
He is a very dangerous man who uses the bible so and his eloquence so well to manipulate the scriptures into serving his purpose.
His purpose: cover up the reason 40 plus ministers have left, instruct the membership not to go around perusing on why they left, paint all those ministers as thieves and wolves by telling a select few stories of some actual rotten ministers, and then go on to inform the entire church that Christ is coming at the end of 2020 Feast of Tabernacles. And if not this year then next year. Bait them some more.
Pack is the wolf. But he is using the tactic of telling him members that others are out to get them and their money to shift the very idea that it is in fact him who is stealing their money and treating them like their stupid idiots.
Many people in RCG who sit there are secretly coming to this blog and other sources and communicating more openly with former members and expressing concern with the failed date after date of christ supposed return that Pack keeps changing.
Pack has predicted Christs return over 20 times since the failed elul prophecy in 2013.
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“Love never fails...” vs. “Doom & gloom” When I left the COG I was raised in I had a friend tell me that I would end up in the 3rd resurrection.
I’ll take the fires of freedom over an eternity with the dullest dullards who preach a message of a coming kingdom but refuse to operate in a loving manner on earth by building their communities and practicing good works. Things will get better mentality versus trying to make the here and now better through action.
The COG is an insular cult who only preaches to itself. The sound of one hand clapping.
This is totally giving me, Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter vibes.
If we were to read an excerpt of this to randoms strangers in NYC and ask them what genre they thought it was, im 1,000% sure they would all say Fantasy Fiction/magical realm stuff.
I mean lets go down the list of just a few things that Dave Pack has mentioned will happen in this Prophecy series:
- people's arms and eye will shrivel by some seance or spell
- a mountain will float out of space and land on israel and it will be tall enough to reach into space
- Carpenter angel will destroy and rebuild israel in a day
- all who ever lived in israel's history will be resurrected in one day
- God's people will have new bodies like christ but it won't be eternal
- These bodies will allow people to walk thru walls, escape mobs, never hunger,never get sick
- Be able to command legions of angels to kill antichrists and evil governments
- Be able to ride chariots pulled by angels and travel at the speed of thought
- demons will come out of the ground and out of space and people will believe it to be an alien invasion.
- lots of death
- lots of resurrections
- mansions of gold where people will abode but will not have to sleep because they are godlike but not yet saved?
- glow or have some sort of permanent resplendence like daniel had and moses had
- be able to read peoples thoughts
- have global fame and unprecedented knowledge of prophecy
Dave is very creative. Too bad that he, like Satan, uses it destructively.
For what it's worth here are the rest of the time stamped comments from the other string.
Continued:
Dave Pack - (48:10)
“And there are people leave us and beat us. They begin to beat us. Some of them don't get very far. My Lord delays. His coming ...This is something people who leave us would say, and they beat us and people still don't go. And they begin to smite their fellow servants to eat and drink with the drunken. I've watched them. You never hear the follow up. These guys go out and they literally go back to the world.
...The Lord of that servant will come a day when he's not looking for him in an hour, that he's not aware. They blew off what they were taught here and cut them in two. That's what it says, cut them in two. And they're going to weep and gnashing their teeth. They're going to wait a little while, with one eye and one arm. But that's what it says. They know God's plan. Well, this can't be the dead. The dead aren't doing those things. The dead aren't saying “my Lord delays his coming,” It can’t be Laodicea. They don't know they're blind. They're not looking for Christ. It has to be people who left us and Christ calls them evil, wicked kickoffs, worthless servants. Well, they were only worth they have is that they eventually left and they stopped being paid and people under them aren't anymore.”
Dave Pack - (1:22:25)
Now we could go all the way past the Feast. It seems hard to imagine, but you know, all these verses, he won't tarry won't tarry won't tarry, but wait, wait, wait, wait. And you have a need to be patient. I don't know. Maybe we'll go after the feast. It's gotta be when people are at work. So it won't be during the 10 days of the Feast. But it could be tonight too. Can't be on Atonement. Can't be today. Today's almost over, but terrible, terrible, terrible things are happening.
Dear Brethren in RCG... IT"S TIME....
"I want to make a statement about...me...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me.
I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying?
Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren?
Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."
David C Pack
December 12, 1998
PS Dave says they will be able to travel at the speed of thought. If one goes by the average RCG member's ability to think things through, that could be slower that taking the bus.
Not withstanding the egregious lie from dear Mr. Pack in this sermon that 0 members have followed departing ministers, the whole structure of this sermon amounts to an abomination with guess who standing high above them all.
With an introduction of: Christ's sheep hear his voice and will not follow strangers, the members' minds are massaged to equate Pack directly with Christ. What follows is nothing short of a take down of everything and everyone before himself.
The ministers who left (leave) are humiliated, stripped bear, mutilated, shamed, slandered, and condemed. The member certainly doesn't want to be equated with any of that.
"They call me a false prophet" - so were Peter, Paul, James, John, Jude and Herbert Armstrong - they were wrong by a lot and I only a little". So Mr. Pack now guts the credibility of the biblical and non biblical giants and leaves himself standing yet above them all. The member once again has their mind orientated to a not so bad after all Mr.Pack.
What comes next is the build up of the brotherhood. "We stay and weather the attacks because we are a different breed". "None of "them" knew what we know concerning the gateway prophecy". The old we are special and in the know tactic to ease and titalate the mind trick.
This is the "great work" that Dave Pack is doing. And those that fell for it all, willingly financed his fanciful kingdom.
I notice that the way that he structures his sentences, together with punctuation, makes it sound like a song. Advanced public speaking.
8:56
I deliberately don't listen to the man, but if you say so, you are describing a "magic poet", they either lead people into a "higher consciousness" or into destruction, people need to check orators like that and be aware of their psychological responses to that type of command of language.
nck
Dennis - I think the speed of thought has been actually measured.
It is .2 of a second - and that is within your own skull.
How WCG came up with it being instantaneous, I don't know - but it was not scientific.
Where was this from? A sermon? Do you have access to it?
“Dave Pack is looking forward to all the ministers who left RCG over the last 20 years to be put to death, either burned alive or being cut in half with a sword. He has been fixated on killing people who leave his group now for at least 2 years.”
Satan and Dave Pack have been fixated on killing former WCG people since the very start of the RCG scam.
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