First of all let me say I tried. I really tried. After 1 hour and fifty eight minutes I concluded that if there is a God who is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to the knowledge of the truth and if he is using Dave Pack to clearly explain his plan, then that God is a nutcase and incapable of communicating.
I won't pretend to be able to repeat Dave's ever changing understanding. It gave me a headache. I imagine if you asked the average RCG member to explain what the hell Dave just said, they would be unable to do so. Not sure his ministry would fare much better. They also would know they believe it no matter.
First of all, Dave is putting a lot of eggs into this one basket of this feast. Christ may come at the end of this feast, which would be today I believe. If not, then "we have another year" because Dave has concluded it has to be one way now and not the other he used to think. I suspect shortly Dave will conclude "God is giving us more time" and "We" never saw this when I first came to understand this but now, "I" do. Dave always blames the group for what they didn't understand but takes the credit for what he comes to understand and explain.
Dave reminds the congregation that these are "fascinating things, no one ever understood". Dave says this a lot and has through the years of not understanding it himself. "I doubt you have ever heard anything along that line" is another favorite.
With Dave, it's always spectacular and never before understood until he utters it. It is also more to backtrack on somewhere down the road because "we", not "he" didn't see something clearly but now of course, "I do". In this sermon, Dave notes that "I only recently began to put this together."
Got news for you Dave. Wandering all over the Old Testament and jumping around in the New is not "putting this all together." It was a grand exercise in making the prophets mean what they never meant as well as the Gospels, the Epistles and the Church letters. And let's not forget making the failed prophecy of the Book of Revelation mean what it never meant. He's great at that! Actually without the Book of Revelation, the Churches of God would have no hook with which to catch their fish.
One of the first things he comes up with is that there is a precedence in the Old Testament for keeping the Feast an extra seven days and there is. My first thought is that he is going to declare this a double feast if his Jesus does not come on the last day of this normal single eight day cycle. We'll see.
" "They kept a double feast...there is a precedence in a time of great joy....let's just double this up".
I can almost feel the audience squirming.
"But if you want to go to, under certain circumstances.......God can want that." (speaking of longer feast)
Honestly, the rest of this dirge is theological bullshit. He spends most of the sermon on never before understood that the House that God is building is not literal and is not just the church. It includes everyone on Earth. (If I understood it and I'm not sure I had the patience to try).
Then he shows how "The Man of Sin" operates in "HIS Season" which implies that there is a group just before this that are not a part of "His Season" but their own season, which of course is the Feast Season and specifically, maybe this one. If the Man of Sin had a season then there had to be one before "His" and that would be "Ours". All very stupid and mental gymnastics worthy only of the mentally ill. I have sat in mental hospitals with people wanting to tell me all about the Bible and what they have seen that no one else does. This is Dave in spades.
Dave notes as well that "this should be real clear". Clear as mud, as they say.
Dave at one points notes that he is going to "inoculate you" but I would say it is more of an indoctrination than an inoculation. A virus does not inoculate you from itself. It can infect, infest and overwhelm you, however. Then you get sick.
Then to wrap it up (this is day four of the FOT), he weaves the fallen away ministers into the mix. Evil bastards all. He wonders if the three he lost at the beginning of the Feast Days this year aren't , in some way, a type of the Three Shepherds that will ....oh I forget what they do or do, but it is all something to "think about brethren."
Years ago someone told me that Dave pack was incredibly intelligent. I replied that he is not if you listen to what he believes, but rather that he seems clever. But alas, Dave is not even clever. He is God-Haunted, delusional and piously convicted but short on an actual and real theological education. Dave is master at making the Bible mean what it never meant, never could mean and won't ever mean.
RCG is doomed to both implode and explode. His campus will eventually be sold to either an addiction and crisis center or be plowed back under and returned to growing corn, which if you look at this kind of theology is not far from corn to begin with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Corn
Check out the "Plot"
I see analogies :)
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The human race is hopelessly gullible and stupid. I have given up on them. Some people are stupid enough to follow Pack. Some people are stupid enough to think COVID is a real pandemic.
Dennis - you must be bored to listen to such crap.
As far as the above comment goes - Covid is a pandemic.
As bad as our response has been, it has been better than in 1918/1919 when the misnamed Spanish flu killed far more people.
But Mr. Deihl, "I can prove it, I can prove it, I can prove it, I can prove it, I can prove it and as any minister in this room can tell you, I could go on for five hours and show you without any doubt whatsoever that it has to happen this year".
When this zany theological excursion started in 2012, fortunately with my vocational background it wasn't hard to see through the grand climaxes and understand it was all built upon another and then built upon another and again built upon another framework of error.
When the average Mrs. Or Mr. Jones pushes back with theological soundness, they are quickly cast aside and reminded that "Christ leads his church and that is official doctrine".
Dave Pack has always been over zealous in embracing replacement theology. That is a problem that creates multiple problems when trying to discern many theological aspects and pertenence. But Dave Pack dosen't stop just with that great error, he incorporates a running parallel of another replacement theology to build and substantiate the conclusion of the narrative. That replacement theology is inserting himself as every biblical character in the Bible and the one that performs and expedites most all biblical prophecy.
Dave Pack and his merry band of ministers have actually redefined the word impossible over the past six months. Whether they have insisted that events or time are incapable of going on any further or insisted that it is out of the question believe any differently concerning pronounced fulfillment.
So Dave Pack's method or methodology to arrive at theological conclusions is always going to be flawed. Replacement theology plus the parallel replacement theology plus impossibilities plus we could ad Mr. Pack's favorite saying of "nobody else could have been my mother's son" and you have a grand finale of what we are seeing in the present time being exhibited and recorded concerning Dave Pack.
October 9, 2020 at 4:06 PM
Correct on all points.
You learned objective thinking. Good for you.
The danger in these COGs is that all their leaders are delusional but the true believer believes his COG leader is the true, non delusional one. That is why they are all trapped in there. But getting out is not an option. The Lake of Fire awaits. The Second Death. How?
The problem is that the members are taught not to think for themselves. Every sermon you’ll hear the same things when a ‘minister’ (or Pack) reads from the Bible: “.... and then there’s verses xyz to back that up. Don’t go there. No need. Just write it down ....”
These ‘ministers’ are constantly telling members to believe that what they say is true. And God forbid that members will start doing their own research! Looking up bible verses and their context for yourself and asking questions will get you kicked out..
If only they would understand that leaving an organization that is NOT a church - and definitely not God’s church - will never earn the lake of fire..
A coworker of mine was in that movie, heh. He's the dad that gets offed in the first act.
11.57 PM,
Of course, COG members believe they are in the true church, hence the nightmare of heading to the Lake of Fire if they leave.
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