Sunday, January 17, 2021

"Put on the Dress"



Put On The Dress


In the World Ahead (Weekly Update) this week, Gerald Weston concluded that "As our world descends into greater chaos and confusion, let us spend our energies on drawing closer to our Creator, rather than getting caught up in the politics, conspiracies, and squabbles of this world."

Certainly good advice to their own. LCG has no doubt, read the criticisms online concerning their right-leaning political views that often spill out in their sermons and in their writings. This week marks the 35th anniversary of HWA's death but he has definitely left his mark to lesser and greater extents in all of the splinters from his WCG. Most notably has been the enduring blind, unscientific, ahistorical, and white supremacist belief that NW white Europeans are the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel.

The religious right in America right now are beside themselves because for the life of them, they cannot understand why they are being called racists and white supremacists. But when the left, center, and those enlightened on the right explain that they are not individually racists perse but that they are failing to acknowledge the existence of white privilege and systemic racism which are both impersonal and institutional, this only seems to enrage them even more.

A pastor recently wrote an article making its rounds on the internet. The title says it all: "Jesus is Not a Republican and Christianity is Not Nationalism." This is interesting because the Churches of God have traditionally paid lip service to the idea Christians are to be above politics. Not voting has always been their proof. Their kingdom is not of this world and their citizenship is in heaven, therefore, they do not serve in the military or on juries. This stance quite possibly could be considered a noble one if they actually lived up to them. But just like many don't pay full tithes, sneak out on election day to vote and have very strong political stances on many things, the churches of God are no different from the rest of their Christian counterparts in America they so disdain in another never spoken doctrine: whites are superior to blacks.

"White Too Long: The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity" was written by a Southern Baptist professor and founder and CEO of Public Religion Research Institute. Below is the description of the book from Amazon:

"Drawing on history, public opinion surveys, and personal experience, Robert P. Jones delivers a provocative examination of the unholy relationship between American Christianity and white supremacy, and issues an urgent call for white Christians to reckon with this legacy for the sake of themselves and the nation.

As the nation grapples with demographic changes and the legacy of racism in America, Christianity’s role as a cornerstone of white supremacy has been largely overlooked. But white Christians—from evangelicals in the South to mainline Protestants in the Midwest and Catholics in the Northeast—have not just been complacent or complicit; rather, as the dominant cultural power, they have constructed and sustained a project of protecting white supremacy and opposing black equality that has framed the entire American story.

With his family’s 1815 Bible in one hand and contemporary public opinion surveys by Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) in the other, Robert P. Jones delivers a groundbreaking analysis of the repressed history of the symbiotic relationship between Christianity and white supremacy. White Too Long demonstrates how deeply racist attitudes have become embedded in the DNA of white Christian identity over time and calls for an honest reckoning with a complicated, painful, and even shameful past. Jones challenges white Christians to acknowledge that public apologies are not enough—accepting responsibility for the past requires work toward repair in the present.

White Too Long is not an appeal to altruism. Drawing on lessons gleaned from case studies of communities beginning to face these challenges, Jones argues that contemporary white Christians must confront these unsettling truths because this is the only way to salvage the integrity of their faith and their own identities. More broadly, it is no exaggeration to say that not just the future of white Christianity but the outcome of the American experiment is at stake."

You can watch an interview with the author below:



It doesn't take long at all to find material online that verifies a very racist HWA and church culture. The churches of God were no different than the rest of America's Christian churches who conveniently decided to stay on the sidelines as the Civil Rights Movement raged on. Christians are still largely absent in standing up for police reform and an overhaul of the justice system in America. They refuse to look at the historical proof on the racist roots of the war on drugs that began in America in the 1930's. American Christians have been more firmly entrenched than ever before in the Republican party ever since Carl Rove (the architect) solidified the Christian block to the party in the 2000 election.

The elevation of Trump by Christians as a Savior of America has backfired epically and has no doubt damaged the name of Jesus and Christianity for possibly decades to come. All this at a time when Christianity was already trending downward.

All this to say that Weston and the rest of the churches of God are in a unique position to salvage Christianity. They could capitalize on their anti-politics stance and pull the American church out of the Jaws of the Republican Party. They could. But they won't.

In the very same update where Weston says the church needs to stay away from the politics of the day, this anonymous piece on prophecy is at the end:

News and Prophecy—January 14, 2021

Unrest in U.S. Capital: Riots and demonstrations rocked a number of American cities in 2020, but the protest in Washington, DC, on January 6 was something different. On that day, protestors claiming to be supporters of President Donald Trump pushed their way into the U.S. Capitol Building, resulting in widespread damage and five deaths. Protestors apparently felt emboldened by comments made by the president in the weeks leading up to the Electoral College certification and his remarks at a rally immediately preceding the onslaught. Regardless of the president’s level of responsibility, which is the subject of ongoing debate, international opinion has come down hard on America and on Donald Trump. German Chancellor Angela Merkel commented, “A ground rule of democracy is that after elections there are winners and losers. Both have their role to play with decency and responsibility so that democracy itself remains the winner” (Deutsche Welle, January 7, 2021). Even British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, an ally of President Trump, leveled criticism at the president and his supporters (Politico, January 7, 2021). Mr. Johnson lamented, “All my life, America has stood for some very important things, an idea of freedom and an idea of democracy and… in so far as he encouraged people to storm the Capitol, and in so far as the president consistently has cast doubt on the outcome of a free and fair election, I believe that that was completely wrong.”

Although many are lamenting the “assault” on American democracy, the reality is that democracy, like all other forms of man’s government, is a humanly devised system. While many would argue it is the best form of government man has devised, democracies are inherently unstable. Long ago, in his famous work The Republic, the Greek philosopher Plato described a theoretical cycle of human governments, with democracies ending in chaos that invites the emergence of a tyrant who promises to restore order. However, the Bible reveals there is another government coming that will not be created by imperfect human beings. This government will be headed by a perfect ruler with perfect character—Jesus Christ—and will be built on a perfect set of laws (Isaiah 9:6–7; 11:1–10; 32:1). To learn more about the future of democracy, be sure to read our exciting article “Perfect Government Coming Soon!

The bias is blatant in this "anonymous" update. Riots vs. protests. Claiming to be supporters of Trump leaves for the belief that real Trump supporters would not do such a thing...it must have been antifa in MAGA hats, carrying Christian signs and waving the Confederate flag.. The further comments allow for the reader to dismiss any notion that the President could be at fault for inciting the crowd. And notice that the real problem isn't the President or the rioters, excuse me, protesters, but just humanly devised government. People are just doing what people do in Satan's system. It's the Devil's fault. Am I splitting hairs? Possibly. But let's look at some of the comments from LCG during the summer protests, excuse me, riots:

"The Path to Justice: We are living in an age when lawlessness, rioting, and looting are viewed as legitimate ways to attain social justice for almost any cause (2 Timothy 3:1–5). From a human perspective, it is tempting to want to support a cause that “seems” right in our eyes (Proverbs 14:12) without fully understanding both sides of the issue (Proverbs 18:17). While it is noble to want to alleviate suffering and injustice, we need to remember that this is Satan’s world (2 Corinthians 4:4) that is permeated by his spirit of lies, envy, hatred, and violence (Ephesians 2:2; Galatians 5:19–21). The goal of modern social justice warriors is to improve the world by human efforts without the need for God or a Messiah (Isaiah 59:4–5, 14–15). However, our Creator is a God of truth and justice (Deuteronomy 32:4) who hears the cries of the poor and oppressed who look to Him and wait on Him (Job 5:8–9; Psalm 17:1–2). Christians who live by faith need to remember that Jesus Christ is coming back to establish judgment and justice on this earth (Isaiah 9:6–7), and He will need leaders who can rule with justice and mercy (Psalm 72:1–4) and point people away from the unfruitful ways of this world (Ezekiel 45:9). This is why we need to develop the mind of God (Philippians 2:5) and wait on God to change society. At that point, we will have the opportunity to show the world the true path to justice (Isaiah 26:7–9). Have a profitable Sabbath, Douglas S. Winnail" [June 11th]

See, what happened on January 6th was different. It was legitimate (white) political protest. But what went on over the summer was (black) lawlessness, rioting, and looting seeking the justice they have no right to seek and church members will do well to not get sucked in by emotional pleas for justice. In his June 25th commentary, Winnail said,

"The Path to Peace: Many have been shocked by the recent eruption of riots and violence, anger and hatred all over the world—and many wonder what is happening in a world where many yearn for peace. However, the Apostle Paul warned, “in the last days perilous times will come,” as proud, self-centered people mistreat and attack one another (2 Timothy 3:1–5)."

Blacks erupted in riots fueled by violence, anger, and hatred, This is prophecy of perilous times with proud and self-centered blacks in our streets mistreating and attacking one another. But Jan. 6th was different, brethren. That was law-abiding white protesters airing their grievances lawfully as is provided by our Democracy, albeit a flawed form of governance. The overall message is consistent: don't get involved. But it fails to pass the smell test of objectivity devoid of taking political sides.

American Christianity continues to stay on the sidelines when it comes to social justice and reform. Christians are to wait on God. It will be interesting to see how that perspective holds up as Christians are increasingly the target of injustices. Will they wonder in horror as their neighbors and co-workers stay on the sidelines when they are being treated unfairly or being brutalized? I have a feeling they will have a come to Jesus moment about fighting for one's own rights.

In the July-August 2020 Living Church News, Wally Smith says in his article, "Christians and Causes"

"God's Spirit within us is stirred when we see unborn children exposed to the horrors of abortion, hatred unleashed against individuals due to the color of their skin, and leaders casting aside righteous judgment for naked, carnal politicking. Such causes tempt us to join them in an attempt to make this world at least a little better here and now. Should we? [his answer] ...too many of this world's causes and movements share two important characteristics: They are products of the devil's world, and they generally represent attempts to improve the devil's world using the devil's own tools."

How do you justify such a perverse way of looking at things so contrary to scripture? So the only job of the church is to preach at people but never lift a finger to actually help people. It's that HWA Martin Lutheresque perversion of Matthew 24:14 alone! Wally, how do you explain away Matthew 25:31-46? Tell me Wally, how do you escape being the priest or the Levite in the parable of the good Samaritan? Wally, how do you get around all of the early church examples of easing pain and suffering in Satan's world? Did you know that in Rome, if you wanted to get rid of a child, not only was abortion legal but you could abandon a child up to 2 years of age at the village walls to be eaten by wild dogs? Guess what Wally, it was Christians that began the practice of scouring those walls every night for abandoned children. According to your vile logic, they should have been left to the dogs because there was PREACHING ALONE to be done!

[A little side note. Wally says in the article, "...as movements and organizations grow larger in the world, they often begin to transform into business ventures in ways that should leave us uncomfortable-a fact worth noting. The love of money is, indeed, the root of many evils." You don't say, Wally! You don't say!]

One of the primary problems with HWA gnostic dogma at its core is pacifism. This is not a Biblical concept. The proof is in the simple logic. Both Old Testament Jewish thought and Greek Christian thought support and believe in the "right of exclusivity." For this to be possible and upheld, society must be organized. There must be law and order that upholds contractual agreements. If the Bible (god) gives man the right of exclusivity, then by reason, logic dictates that god must give man the right to defend his exclusivity rights. What good is a marriage contract that declares to society that said woman is my wife if any man can come along and take her to himself and I must stand passively by without a peep? There is no right of exclusivity without the right to fight for it.

So it is ungodly, unbiblical to stand idly by and watch injustice, unfairness, evil treatment of others because by doing so, you are throwing the right of exclusivity out the window and embracing chaos. When God says the poor are to be taken care of, that validates the right of exclusivity. Ownership of lands, goods, animals, crops, goods, and service contracts create wealth imbalances. This is inevitable and natural. When it does, God declares that the poor and the disadvantaged be cared for. How can a Christian partake in the right of exclusivity and enjoy the protections of civil society and turn their backs on those who lose, fail, get cheated, or are outright dehumanized and systematically forced into an inferior position?

I look around at feast sites and I marvel at how many black folks I see. I want to ask each one how or why they would be sitting in a church in America that has never lifted a finger to ease the suffering and debasement and forced inferior status put upon them for hundreds of years? How do you sit in a church whose founder was a blatant racist and hid it behind the mask of British-Israelism? A church that has actually allowed "interracial" marriage of all kinds between whites and Asians and Hispanics and Indians and Native Americans ... as long as it was NEVER a black man marrying a white woman? Of course, the unpardonable sin of black men with white women is not just a church of God doctrine. That is an American doctrine.

Dave Chappelle, a black American comedian, did an interview with Oprah Winfrey about 15 years ago. It was after Dave left his own show on Comedy Central in the middle of the season and retreated to South Africa to do some soul searching. Oprah asked him why he left because the rumors were that he was a drug addict, mentally ill, and various other attacks that were simply not true. Hollywood was mad at Dave and sought to destroy him. The reason is that Dave Chappelle refused to put on a dress.

He was in the process of making a movie and the director had sent one of the writers to Dave's trailer to give him a scene change for the movie. It required Dave to put on a dress and get made up like a woman. He asked why they wanted to do that and they told him because it will be funny. Dave said no, he didn't want to do it. The scene was unnecessary. A few minutes later, the writer comes back and tries to get Dave to go along and Dave told him to tell the Director he won't do it. Dave started thinking about how all black comedians that made it into movies eventually dressed up like a woman. This really bothered Dave. When the Director came to Dave and insisted he do it, Dave refused and walked off the set and did not do the movie.

Hollywood is a weird place with strange rituals and control mechanisms. Not unlike churches, sometimes. I know what I have pointed out in the weekly update is probably too subtle for most white folks to perceive. But I know some black folks see it. And I only did it to highlight the much bigger reality. American Christianity has a lot to unpack. There is a lot to answer to and reform is necessary if Christianity will ever be a growing religion again. As it is now, I see no reason to support it if it continues to turn a blind eye. American Christianity removed Galatians 3:26-28 from their sight a long time ago. The churches of God are just using black folks as cover for their own self-image. Black brethren in the churches of God need to stop putting on the dress. White brethren who realize this need to hold the door and head out together.

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

Black people should go back to Africa so they won't need to live under oppression of those who got them out of the stone age and into the space age. All they have to do is go back to the stone age. This is the common sense view as well as the biblical view. Muhammad would agree and so would Moses. The bible says the Ethiopian cannot change his skin. (Nor his other personal issues for that matter.) The whole idea of white "supremacism" is largely a news media hoax. More of their psychological warfare. I have never met a so-called White Supremacist. It's basically a derogatory fiction. The race card.

NO2HWA said...

I usually delete comments such as this, but Stoned Stepehn Society and I both agree that this is the face of Armstrongism that so many want to deny.

Anonymous said...

This article is so anti white that I couldn't bare to finish reading it. Minorities are now doing the old one two of blaming the victim and taking on the role of the victim while going all out to steal the country from the whites. All the brown washing in movies and TV series is only the beginning. They want everything. This is the anti God attitude of reversing God giving America to the descendents of Abraham and giving it to the gentiles instead. Any sympathy I had for minorities is no more.

Anonymous said...

Now that was pure bullshit SSS!

TLA said...

Armstrongism subscribes to USA being dominated by Manasseh.
In reality, we are from all over the world - especially the whites. English, Scots, French, Germans, Czechs, Poles, Jews, and so on - the whites are no more Manasseh then any of the other skin tones.
USA is a country where we could all live in harmony if we got some decent leadership.

JammerEWS said...

Should have known the very first post would be some racist hogwash. Bravo for the article. Racism is still our greatest shame after so many years and so many chances to do better.

James said...

Anon January 17, 2021 at 2:28 PM

Oppression still exists for all people of most middle and lower class groups. What you fail to realize is that it is government that creates these arguments in order to divide the people. All this for political power. It is the politician that benefits.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 2:28 for letting the world know what racist bullshit Armstrongism taught. You are a product of those lies. British Israelism is one of the bigger lies of the church and upon this false teaching is the core basis of many of the church doctrines, thus invalidating them.

Anonymous said...

British-Israelism is a doctrine that goes back to the 1600s and was the official doctrine of the Anglican church before HWA was even born.
A prayer request on the matter should put any doubts to rest.

Mason said...

I would to have a sit down talk with Stephen.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Those who actually believe in Anglo-Israelism, along with white nationalists and supremacists, usually don't apologize for their racism - overt or systemic. After all, for them, white folks are in the position they're in because God mandated that they be in that position - and God can't be a racist! Their perks and advantages are God-ordained!

For most white folks, however, racism is like the sin of pride - they simply cannot see it in themselves. I am reminded of a statement by my very Southern Grand Aunt when discussing the strides made by the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960's. She said: "I ain't prejudiced against n-----s, as long as they stay in their place!" Most folks reason: "I'm a good person - Hence, it's impossible for me to be a racist.

Like it or not, America has a complicated and very negative history relative to race relations. In fact, most historians view our Civil War (fought over issues related to African Slavery) as the seminal/defining feature of the narrative of this republic. And, I've noticed that even some Anglo-Israel and white nationalist/supremacist folks are uncomfortable with the narrative about how Europeans acquired this land from its native inhabitants. It's a lot to unpack, and we're all still living with the fallout. Faulkner was right: "The past is never dead. It's not even past."

Anonymous said...

White supremacy is an evil that does defile our culture and country (US). Each one of us should periodically invest time in deep introspection to examine for racism and every type of hatred and false pride. I admit to being surprised to find repulsive thoughts that I needed to repent of.

I have no problem generalizing Armstrongism as a racist movement. However, I think only a few Armstrongites harbor hatred for those of other races. Yet to be part of an Armstronite organization, members of all races endorse racist theology.

I also think the number of racist Americans, Christian or not, is actually much smaller than the media and folks like Stoned Stephen Society are prone to reporting.

I do resent the biased, broad stereotyping of SSS depicting American Christianity as racist. Sure, Christian individuals and groups should examine themselves for the evil of racism and denounce it whenever, wherever it is found. However, SSS saying "American Christianity removed Galatians 3:26-28 from their sight a long time ago." sounds like the typical propaganda stirring of blame and hatred we see in our politicians, media, and those who claim to be calling out racism.

If we were to generalize Christianity, it is growing (contrary to another SSS statement) in places like China because Christianity loves all people as children of the Creator. In general, the love Christianity has for all people blesses those people in the US and around the globe with food, shelter, clothing, medical treatment, education, and freedom - sometimes in the absence or presence of preaching the Gospel with words.

The blaming, shaming of Christianity for racism - particularly American Christianity, formed of people of all races - is another kind of hatred.

Anonymous said...

That can be arranged.

Anonymous said...

White people like sss married to white people, descended from white people married to white people, with decendants married to white people, with white people relatives married to white people declaring that black people should be married to other white people.

Anonymous said...

Trump was the first black President! Go read Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder.

Mason said...

Well said

Anonymous said...

Kudos, SSS! Excellent summary on white supremacy and racism and it's entanglement in America and in religions (which are man-made), including the COG groups. Just read "White Too Long" myself.

Racism is not scriptural. If we are prejudiced or biased against anyone because their thin outer epidermal layer is different than ours, then we are not imitating Jesus, nor are we honoring God, who created all of humanity in His image.

To the poster who mentioned Moses and Ethiopia in the same racist breath, don't forget that Moses was married to an Ethiopian woman.

Anonymous said...

Miller Jones
Blacks make up 13% of the population yet commit 50% of the murders and 60% of the thefts. Yet it's the whites who need to apologise rather than the blacks according to you. You are walking on the ceiling. This demonization of the whites parallels the Nazis demonizing the Jews before the "final solution." Ezekiel 5.12 describes such an event.

Anonymous said...

A few pointers to consider;
1. Stoned Stephen and his society are obsessing over British Israelisim to an unhealthy level.
2.Comes across as anti American.
3. Completely ignores the entire life's work of Abraham Lincoln.
4. Seems oblivious to the Civil War.
5. Seems oblivious to the Great Depression years and the entire life's work of President Roosevelt.
6. Seems oblivious to Martin Luther Kings life work and movement.
7. Ignores everything JFK stood for and warned about, especially his speech on secret societies.
8. Has poor knowledge of the history of comedians, comedy and comedy role playing, exposing a rarther COG obsessive, small minded life.
9. Accuses thousands of Christians, across multitudes of splinters, in multitudes of nations and varying differing cultures of using Black people in a racist agenda.


Anonymous said...

This is absolute leftist drivel. All white people are racist (denying it is further proof of our racism) and anyone with some color in their skin isn't. Horse $h!t!

Anyone who views the world through the lens of oppressive racism is simply a product of their own racist thinking.

Anonymous said...

President Biden is a racist. I don’t believe he wants to be a racist; he just is.

He is prone to fomenting racial division when he speaks – watch for his racism over the next four years.

Part of Biden's problem is that he is from a less-woke generation; he wants to shake most of its vile practices but, doesn't always see where they exist in his heart.

One example of Biden's racially divisive comments came in the wake of the despicable Capitol Hill riot. Biden said that if those rioters had been Black Lives Matters demonstrators, they would have been treated very differently by police.

That statement is false and re-victimizes those who have suffered racism; it is keeping wounds open and festering, rather than healing.

Biden's divisive statements are contrary to the teachings of Dr. Martin Luther King. Dr. King taught personal responsibility as the route to personal and group power. Promoting perpetual victimhood keeps those victims in a suffering state, rather than in a building state. People like Biden profit from the bigotry of low expectations and perpetual victimhood.

The American Left may play snippets of King's speeches today; but, they will not play those speeches in their entirety because the content of those speeches are the opposite of their agenda. I love to hear Dr. Alveda King, the niece of Martin Luther King, wax eloquent on this subject. The America media won't cover her because she is the wrong kind of black person, according to their ideology.

All black lives matter. Yet, the Black Lives Movement only cares about the small number of black lives lost at the hands of police violence. The vast thousands of black lives taken annually by other criminal acts will go un-protested, veritably unnoticed. Black Lives Matters seeks to keep the wounds of victimhood stinging in order to provoke anger against society, rather than actually helping black lives that are at risk to exposure of police involvement because of various unaddressed needs.

Yes, some racist people exist in every segement of society; fortunately, We the People overwhelmingly reject racism and fight for opportunities for people of all races.

nck said...

Little children are racist.
Psychological research of 5 year olds, showed when asked, "who is more likely to succeed", that all pointed to the white kid, including the black children.

Nck

Stoned Stephen Society said...

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --Martin Luther King Jr.

DBP said...

"For most [black] folks, however, racism is like the sin of pride - they simply cannot see it in themselves."

Lonnie, if I had said that, would you have considered it racist? Also, why do you only mention "white" nationalism as an example of a possibly racist attitude? If you were to be truly fair and less racist in your thinking, you would use the term ethno-nationalism. That term more fairly covers any kind of racist supremacy, including "The Superior Aryan Race" and the dogma of "God's Chosen People".

"The blaming, shaming of Christianity for racism - particularly American Christianity, formed of people of all races - is another kind of hatred.

So true. I highly recommend Thomas Sowell's book "Black Rednecks and White Liberals", especially the chapter "The Real History of Slavery", which addresses the above statement. I'd like to add that identity politics and systemic racism actually promote MORE RACISM and not less. Framing and blaming things solely on a given race, will never solve it.

nck said...

DBP
I can live with the term ethno-nationalism. When nations were first formed since 1648 there was heavy emphasis on "an (ethnic) nation" encompassed by a border. Napoleon re-arranged borders into new administrative units. The age of Romanticism and the Concert of Europe sought renewed emphasis on the (manufactured) history of peoples now confined by new borders after the collapse of the Napoleontic structure.

My point.

All these rearrangements and emphasis on the identity of those living within the rearranged borders are POLITICAL in nature and therefore are about the distribution of political power.

Currently I am reading the Mccullough book on John Adams. It mentions about 81 changes to Jeffersons original proposals for the Declaration of Independence. Many of those changes had to do with identity, for instance the scrapping of mentioning Scots amongst those hired by the British King to subjugate the "Americans." A lot of the changes had to do with the notion that the "freedom", the document promoted, was not going to apply to a lot of people living in the Southern States.


The Brit Samuel Johnson, who had no sympathy for the American cause, had asked snarkily, "How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty from the drivers of Negroes?

I think it is impossible to discuss the issue of racism without looking at the power structure that existed at the time of its inception.

A lot of racism was purposely invented to dehumanize other human beings just to provide some sort of basis for its evil existance.

I also believe there are 2 sides to the coin of Western - Israelism. The evil notion that one group is destined to rule another group AND the solemn protestant recognition of the blessings and power given to them that should be put to use in order to better the world in a mission civilisatrice as a burden that should be carried by the white man that somehow was given the reigns and means to subjugate the entire world through the 17th century rise of capitalism starting with the Dutch Empire, followed by the rise of the British Empire, which was deliberately trashed by the upcoming American Empire under the guise of decolonisation as a prerequisite for the reception of Marshall aid, ushering the golden 1950's when Elvis Presley taught the Germans to Rock and Roll and pirate stations payed for by the CIA and Herbert W. Armstrong brought American culture to the rest of the World.

Whoops. Sorry for my sudden descend into nckism in the last 2 sentences.
(The rest is mostly from Paul Kennedy's the Rise and Fall of the Great Powers and other books I tried to memorize.

nck


Mason said...

Ok these comments just prove how prideful we all really are. We all have some sort prejudice in us no matter the color or ethic background. I understand to some degree where Stephen is coming from. It was white christians who did have slaves and split up families by selling them. We did have in the cogs and still do racists leaders. Let's face most people in the cogs don't care to much about a white or latino getting married but a white and a black all hell will break lose. Even ministers in LCG are told they don't have to marry people of different races if it bothers them. This world that we live in just spues out hate. I don't think blaming a certain group of people is what we should do, because it's more complex than that; but neither should we remain silent on the past or the present racism that is so obvious in the cogs!

Anonymous said...

Hey Lonnie, go call your dad a racist to his face!

Anonymous said...

6:11am You've proven yourself much more intelligent than SSS and by his quote, he'll never understand that fact!

Mason said...

That would be cool

Anonymous said...

We should ask, "who outlawed slavery?" (the white man)


Where is slavery still openly practiced? (Africa, among other 3rd world locations)



'nuff said.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

DBP,

Although I was addressing the point that SSS made in this post, your observation about the existence of racism on the other side is well-taken. I am NOT one of those folks who believe that black racism doesn't exist because it's impossible. I've personally witnessed black and Native American racism at work (and it isn't any prettier than the white variety). Even so, it should be self-evident to all of us that racism on the part of a privileged majority has the potential to inflict greater harm than that evidenced among an oppressed minority. And, I'm thinking that if the financial and legal inequities which exist in America were actually taken seriously and addressed by those in power that a great deal of the hatred that has existed within the black community for whites would magically disappear.
None of my comments are intended to imply that I think that there are easy or universal solutions to these problems - I don't believe that. I'm not given to Pollyanna thinking or utopian fantasies. There will always be some Irish folks who don't like Brits and vice versa. There will always be folks who believe that skin color makes a difference in the moral, intellectual and economic potential of a person (and those beliefs will always be a problem). Nevertheless, as a Christian, I continue to believe that we have the obligation to strive for the ideal - that place where we look at each other as people - NOT Gentile or Jew OR Male or Female. In Christ, we all have worth - we are all obligated to be kind, compassionate, patient, merciful and loving - we all have the potential to become God's children.

Lonnie

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Anonymous 1/18 @ 9:57 AM,

I encourage you to read my latest post: https://godcannotbecontained.blogspot.com/2021/01/why-dont-you-keep-your-mouth-shut.html

Thanks,
Lonnie

Anonymous said...

". . . this is the face of Armstrongism that so many want to deny."

People reject other people who are different from them. This works in many dimensions - race, culture, class, national affiliation. While people can like each other in abstraction and even engage in charity, they don't like each other up close and personal. If the USA was one race, there would still be class conflict or religious conflict or hair color conflict or some other kind of conflict. Some of the Celts in Northern Ireland are at war with other Celts in the most vitriolic and hateful way. We are this way because we are tribal hominids and evolved killing each other over resources for survival - what the Bible calls carnal man. And it is the way of this belligerent carnality that ideological Christianity adamantly rejects.

But some purportedly Christian religions do not adhere to this Christian ethos. In my view, Splinterdom has a vulnerability here. British-Israelism can be given a racist slant that makes their organizations cozy, safe harbors for White racists - people who want to believe and practice racism and at the same time believe they are Christian and God is on their side. After all that we have been through in the last four years, if I were an Armstrongist leader and wanted to get my church back somewhere near the ethics of Jesus, I would interview every congregant in order to ferret out racism and expel the recalcitrant. (This sounds unprecedented but it is not. When I was an Armstrongist, I was interviewed about my beliefs on healing.) Christ has already spiritually expelled racists from The Body, so the ministers action would only be pro forma. Why should already disgorged racists warm a seat at Sabbath Services?

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nck said...

12:58
There's slavery in Africa because you want and need your cell phone and coffee cheap, so you can post on banned awake instead of woke.

Nck

Anonymous said...

Lonnie is a old woman. Don't be fooled by their lies.

Anonymous said...

Lies all lies.

Anonymous said...

Stoned Stephen and fake name parody gang,

Then Jesus said to the crowd and to his disciples, "The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don't follow their example.
For they don't practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.

EVERYTHING they do is for show ... Matthew 25

How do you cope from day to day with the double life living? Despising in writing the very life you have to appear to live in reality.

Anonymous said...

12:58
Slavery was never abolished. We’re all slaves now. Wage slaves. Ahh I’m free at last. Free at last. Thank God Almighty freedom is slavery!

Anonymous said...

Fake name parody gang? You mean like "anonymous"?

Anonymous said...

It seems like Stoned Steven is making the argument that Weston is making that this world is influenced by Satan. I don’t see any difference in what LCG is saying. The problem is that both the Capital riots and the riots during the summer were started by people who could care less about the issue at hand. Such as police brutality during the summer and perceived election fraud in Jan. These rioters don’t care about the issues they just want to see it all burn. I believe those that took part in the riots at the capital probably didn’t even vote, didn’t care who won the election and were their to start trouble. Just like the rioters in the summer could care less less about police brutality. The people that were actually their peacefully at the capital and during the summer protest are the ones using their constitutional rights.

Anonymous said...

It seems like Stoned Steven is making the argument that Weston is making that this world is influenced by Satan. I don’t see any difference in what LCG is saying. The problem is that both the Capital riots and the riots during the summer were started by people who could care less about the issue at hand. Such as police brutality during the summer and perceived election fraud in Jan. These rioters don’t care about the issues they just want to see it all burn. I believe those that took part in the riots at the capital probably didn’t even vote, didn’t care who won the election and were their to start trouble. Just like the rioters in the summer could care less less about police brutality. The people that were actually their peacefully at the capital and during the summer protest are the ones using their constitutional rights.

nck said...

5:48
UTTER NONSENSE.

The FBI is researching 140.000 selfies and videos.

All of them show "adherence to Trumps words". Videos of people rummaging through Senators desks saying "Cruz and Trump would like us to do this", backgrounds of many of these people are even available to you through even a shallow search on the internet.

But hey.
Believe as you see fit.

Nck

Anonymous said...

Well written.