Dave Pack is a "skilled" street magician with the scriptures. He's a corner sidewalk card hustler with Bible quotes. He can move the scriptures around week after week and trick the brethren into believing he FINALLY has the whole picture. NOW Daniel is unsealed. NOW "the days of his voice" are over. NOW the Mystery of God has ended.
In the end, Dave Pack fails. He throws the same verses into the blender and comes up with a new recipe that is always the same: Kick the can down the road. The train will never stop. It cannot stop. Because any pause in the action is at False Teaching Station. Dave cannot have that. His ego cannot have that. After all, someone has to keep feeding the horses.
As a former member and former employee of RCG, I recently joined the private Wadsworth Neighbors Facebook group and offered to answer any questions folks would have. The thread currently has over 800 comments. Locals want to know what is going on over there. If I have an answer that I know is true and factual, I tell them. If I don't know, then I say so.
What is going on at RCG is fraud of a Biblical proportion. Dave Pack cannot now, nor ever be right because the Bible proves him to be false. A false minister. A false apostle. A false prophet. A false teacher. God CANNOT allow him to get anything right.
And yet, the brethren are so exhausted, so confused, so dizzy...they don't know where to go or what to do. "If I just hang on one more time." And yet, the next time Dave says the Kingdom will come...it fails. Count on that! God says Dave Pack HAS to fail. Or the scriptures would be broken.
Every human being has a "line in the sand" and all it takes is time.
One way or the other, both God and history will expose what Dave Pack is to everyone watching. Those closest to him already know...they know in their hearts. EVERY former minister I've talked to that left...left feeling uncomfortable and with a tale to tell of inside the wooden walls on the 3rd floor. There is almost a uniform voice from ministers who left "all speaking the same thing." It paints quite the picture.
How I wish this would be over. Let Christ and God's Kingdom come so I can be declared an antichrist once and for all. OR...Christ and God's Kingdom comes and we can REALLY know what the plan is. I still want to be a part of that.
Marc Cebrian
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Remember when Pack declared that 3 COG leaders were going to die in the next month, probably by fire?
Or that all of the "splinter groups" were going to join the RCG and that is why then needed more money to expand the facilities?
There are so many false claims, and legion amounts of "second comings" that it makes ones head dizzy!
The only good news flowing from Dave's crappy prophetic record is that if he ever tells his followers that they're going to die in a Waco or Jonestown style demise, we can be nearly certain that he'll also be wrong about that.
It is SAD that PEOPLE who once SEEMED to LOVE, BELIEVE, ENJOY, APPRECIATE, and CHERISH the TRUTH MR. ARMSTRONG TAUGHT have COMPLETELY TURNED THEIR BACKS on it!!!!!!!
2.34 PM
We have discerned that Dave has departed from reality with his endless false claims and second comings. But for his members who keep believing his bull, they are the ones who are, or already have, departed from reality. Their departing from reality effectively makes them the property and slaves of Dave Pack.
One can live a very comfortable lifestyle by having a thousand slaves.
It is SAD that PEOPLE who once SEEMED to LOVE, BELIEVE, ENJOY, APPRECIATE, and CHERISH the TRUTH MR. ARMSTRONG TAUGHT have COMPLETELY TURNED THEIR BACKS on it!!!!!!!
Much of what HWA taught was either time-bound (had to occur in the 20th century, by his own written testimony), or was tied to the actions of an individual who has been dead for more than 30 years. You CANNOT in 2022 believe everything HWA taught. Different splinter groups resolve that problem by jettisoning different parts of what he taught, but you can't hold on to all of HWA's teachings and prophecies without having to admit that HWA was a false prophet.
You really dont know how to use caps and exclamation points properly. Go sit in on a third grade class.
Anonymous at 4:44:00 PM PDT, Everything Herbert W. Armstrong predicted is more true today than it was back then
Anon 5:30PM, don't you remember that HWA wrote very specifically in MOA that his prophecies would come to pass "within the next two decades"? That's on page 298 of the non-Flurry edition. That would have given him until 2005, but he clarified his "two decades" and said it would come to pass before the end of the 20th century.
HE WAS WRONG
And he was wrong about a lot of other stuff, too. But if you can rationalize your way out of this very specific prophetic failure, you are well on your way to membership in some other Pack-lite HWA cult.
"It is SAD that PEOPLE who once SEEMED to LOVE, BELIEVE, ENJOY, APPRECIATE, and CHERISH the TRUTH MR. ARMSTRONG TAUGHT have COMPLETELY TURNED THEIR BACKS on it!!!!!!!"
Every once in a while I let one of these posts through just for the entertainment value. There are about 40 more like these in the spam folder.
Tell us more about how the interaction with the Wadsworth residents went down?
Anonymous 3:39 and 5:30, is none other than the former True Christian, and later TC. He can disguise himself like a lamb, but we can tell he is a wolf.
Anonymous 3:39 and 5:30, is none other than the former True Christian, and later TC. He can disguise himself like a lamb, but we can tell he is a wolf.
Anonymous 6:02pm "Tell us more about how the interaction with the Wadsworth residents went down?"
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There are quite a few people genuinely concerned about the "cult in Wadsworth" and most of the questions centered about why the front gate. Some were also concerned for my safety. Others told tall tales about armed security. Some wondered about the money. Most were curious about the religious beliefs and why a church isn't "open, inviting" or "helping the community" and I answered each question best I could. I was also open with them about "common" and the horses on campus and the years of failed prophetic teachings. These are things they wouldn't think to ask about.
The Wadsworth people seem like a friendly bunch and I was met with very sincere curiosity. In all my exchanges I managed to piss off only ONE person. That is amazing to me. I received private messages of concern for my well-being, quite a few church invitations and a few friend requests. Overall, the mystery of RCG was built up so much that people lost perspective regarding the "regular folks" inside.
I laughed openly about the nonsense, spoke in detail when I could, and tried to answer every single question. With over 800 comments currently, it was a lot to process.
The people of Wadsworth are a connected community. RCG is this "cult with a front gate" to them. I tried to be fair from both perspectives and answered as honestly as I could.
So...that is how it went down.
:)
Marc
You guys refuse to acknowledge that David C. Pack and Herbert W. Armstrong are great men that stand up for the truth
Yeah, 8:16, unlike some people we know, we do not confuse manure with gold. I don't know if it has dissipated over the years, but HWA's grave in that quaint little cemetary in the middle of the ghetto used to be saturated with urine, and littered with pork hot dogs. Some day soon, Pack's will be available for the same expression of disgust.
Yep, It is TC alright. I think he and his brother are the ones who turned their back on their mother when she refused to be part of Dave's cult. Their dad was in RCG and squandered all of his money to the church leaving their mother in a bad situation. We heard about them when we attended in Wadsworth. Thank God we are free from that crap!
Maybe one day you should dedicate a thread to them. ;)
great men that stand up for the truth
Taken from the *free* booklet, The Plain Truth About Our False Prophecies!
This is not true this does show that not everybody gets it. I have watched since his death and one after another plays out as he said it would which leads to the next events to play out. The condition if society is a case in point
He did NOT say it would or had to he said in the approximate future
This sad and childish and lacks any credibility as a result
He did NOT say it would or had to he said in the approximate future
"within the next two decades" is an approximation. It means "from one to 20 years from now." Being extra-charitable, it might man as many as 29 more years, depending on when you make the statement and where the decades break.
HWA published that "within the next two decades" approximation in 1985. Even if you can overlook his "by the end of the 20th century" approximation, his worshippers had run out of their last excuse by 2014. HE WAS WRONG
2:16. "This sad and childish and lacks any credibility as a result"
What the hell are you referring to? The article or a comment? Why are people so lazy they can't copy what they are responding to?
2.35 PM
I believe HWA was trying to force God's hand with all his date predictions, especially 1975. So instead of 'your will be done,' it was 'HWAs will be done.'
HWA and his henchmen believed that their high positions in the church would be moved straight across into the Kingdom. So they wanted things frozen by Christs' swift return. There's billions of people today who would not have been born had Herb and his minions had their way. Should such heartless men have high positions in the kingdom, or be in it at all?
2.41 PM
2.16s reply appears just under the corresponding comment on smartphones. This doesn't happen when I use my computer. The reply just appears at the bottom of the comments. Which is why I always put the reply timestamp on all my replies.
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