Those crazy Kitchens are at it again! Not content with their conspiracy-laden lives, the father of the clan, Tim Kitchen Sr. has made the claim Herbert Armstrong was murdered! And here we thought Bob Thiel was a blithering idiot! Sheesh!
Now, we come to this Philadelphia Era of God’s Church. Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong and the World-wide Church of God under him supporting him did Fulfill all the commissions God gave him to complete, just as Mr. Armstrong plainly stated. So, when he had completed all jobs Christ gave him to complete, God took him. There was word within God’s Church that he might have been martyred as two men in the church ran out of the building (one out of Mr. Armstrong’s room) and declared “They murdered Mr. Armstrong and I may be next”! Strange events indeed! This would lend motive for certain men’s silence for sure. I don’t personally know, but, given these men’s statements, you wonder. But, now, what has happened to God’s Church after Mr. Armstrong died (or was martyred)?
Many people think many different things. God’s Ministers (both those ordained by Mr. Armstrong and the Church, and, those raised up within after and others), all say different and conflicting stories. UNDER THREAT: The challenges the Church faces today
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HWA is alive and was seen working at your local MacDonalds last week.
And you thought it was Elvis.
How the Flat Earth Society are holding a meeting next week at your friendly local MacDonalds and if ya go ya might see Herbie or even Elvis.
Dr Rabbi Bob Ezekiel Amos ‘one of the two Witnesses’ Bob SquarePants Prophet Elijah Thiel doesn’t sound that bad after all now, compared to Tim Kitchen Sr.
What a load of raw, untreated sewage! Sounds as if someone is totally desperate for the HWA prophecy mold to come to pass.
Talk about someone with mental health issues! This family needs to see a psychiatrist!
I remember reading a claim like that somewhere at one point. Think it was on the Painful Truth many years ago. Silliness.
Do you blog runners on here really think the official line of Herbert W dying in his armchair at one minute to 6am is actually believed?
Many have openly spoken about the odd situation of his death.
"Martyred" is just their first step. Soon enough, they'll be telling us that HWA died for our sins.
He keeps using the title "Mr Armstrong." You don't hear the names Mr Hitler or Mr Stalin for a reason. They don't deserve the dignity of Mr.
HWA instituted and maintained, despite all complaints and outcries, an abusive cult social system, even though there's a multitude of scriptures condemning this. Instead, like Hitler and Stalin, he believed that the end justified the means. Obviously the Kitchens, like other HWAs fanboys, don't have a problem with church gulags. Which is why God throws such fools into tribulation in an attempt to purge such demonic nonsense out of their systems.
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"Martyred" is just their first step. Soon enough, they'll be telling us that HWA died for our sins.
Not before Dave Pack informs all he's the Messiah, the Second Coming and claims the benefit to all humanity
NOT TRUE!!
Just yesterday I say Mr Armstrong wave at me from the window of a UFO , wearing a Big Foot costume!
Obviously then , he was not murdered!
In all seriousness though, why would anyone need to murder a 94 year old bed stricken for months person, who was terminally ill. What would be the motivation for that? When one dies in a non-hospital situation , there is an autopsy performed.
Maybe we can get Mark Harmon from CSI to solve the "Murder Mystery" !
Because Herbert kept changing his mind over who would be the next leader of WCG... His family members trying to get to him...namely GTA .... lots of reasons to speed up Herbert's demise after he had finally signed for Joe Tkach.
GTA called a press conference after herberts death to declare 'my dad ended up secluded like Howard Hughes'
Aaron Dean is well known for talking about the last months of Herbert's demise.
Well, Tonto, those questions certainly went through my mind when I saw Tim Kitchen's Op Ed. Scientology went through a similar process when L. Ron Hubbard passed away, something that according to the tenets of their religion was thought to be possible, since he was OT on the highest level.
HWA was thought to be slated to lead the church into the place of safety, and to being present when Jesus Christ returned. And, then, of course, that return has never happened, at this point approaching a tardiness of 47 years. The laws of nature were kind to HWA in that when he did die of old age, he was at the outer limits of the actuarial tables. He also was not as sharp as he had once been, umming and uhhing as he searched for words that had once come so easily, and seemingly limited to one sermon, repeated over and over and over. By all accounts, he was under the care of medical doctors, on various medications, and nearly blind. Obviously, significant numbers of church members actually believed his stories about God raising him from the dead, but the fact is that he died leaving everybody high and dry because the end his message concerned never materialized during his lifetime, or now, for decades since he passed. Whether or not he were secretly murdered would have had no effect upon what we see around us today. The fact is, his hook never kicked in when he said it would. Yet, his followers insist on reviewing his math and continually revising it in an effort to maintain their beliefs that he was in fact correct, having received his information by revelation from God.
Tim Kitchen is obviously troubled by this, and is openly asking himself and others some hard questions. Hopefully he is on a path leading to discovery of the hard but obvious answers that Armstrongites have consistently rejected. The answers are right there in Leviticus, and have been quoted here and at all the regular places forever.
HWA, Adolf Hitler and Elvis Presley are all alive in South America.
Ambassador Report had a short report that Joe Tkatch was visiting HWA on his last evening alive. It was suggestion that Joe told HWA he planned to "make changes" to which HWA yelled "You're fired!" and died in an apoplectic fit.
I met some old women at the feast who had all sorts of "information" about how HWA was murdered. Perhaps he was, who knows. Anyway, I asked them why nobody took any of this information to the police. It seems that idea had never occurred to them. When I suggested it, they didn't want to get involved. How is that for being responsible?
At the point of his death, though, his blood volume had plummeted so far that he was barely verbal. Not much chance of him changing his mind on his appointment of Tkach then. If he hadnt died that day, it would have been within the next few days.
That was it! I remember that!
Accusations of Herb's murder is nothing more than his followers exalting him and discrediting his critics, and blogs like Banned.
I demand that Herbert Armstrong's body be exhumed and thoroughly examined by a pathologist!
This is the crime of the century , and coverup of the century! Perhaps his brain is missing and it can be found, like Einsteins brain!
>>> In all seriousness though, there was a Martin C. Filippello, back in the day, who served in the ministry in Pasadena, who had to be relieved of his duties and disfellowshipped as he believed, advertised and promoted that HWA would be resurrected from the dead in January 1988.
As an aside, Lil Stevie Flurry, who was quite young when HWA died, took issue with the notion that anyone was shocked by HWA's death. "A 93 year old man with a failing heart and low blood volume?"
Stands in a bit of contrast to the folks that hoped/believed he'd be restored, like the Sed festival of Egyot or something.
Oooooooh look at all the athiest Tkatch worshippers protecting their hero.....
HWA dictated the opinions of all the church members throughout his lifetime. One time in the 1970s, he said of his beer consumption that on a hot summer day, after giving a sermon, he sometimes drank half a "Baby Oly" to relieve his parched throat, and then would pour the rest down the drain. Within a short time thereafter, numerous people were repeating that, owning it as a description of their own beer consumption. I found it to be both hilarious, and symptomatic.
So, when the dictator of opinions suddenly died, it is not surprising that quite abruptly, church members had to do something that they were unaccustomed to doing. They had to formulate their own opinions. Quite predictably, there was much wide speculation. Shortly thereafter, it became factional, as the different power seekers attempted to control the narrative. Nobody has succeeded in controlling the narrative for the entire group of Armstrongists since that point in time. No single splinter group has become dominant. The breakup of WCG has not generated success anything near what the breakup of Bell Telephone did for the Baby Bells.
Humorously, if HWA had gone with his original plan and left things up to the Council of Elders, we very likely would not have been saddled with Tkach.
Ignoring the obvious. If the was nothing iffy about Herbert's death then call out Aaron Dean who's been blabbering in his sermons about Herbert's death for decades.
Humorously, if HWA had gone with his original plan and left things up to the Council of Elders, we very likely would not have been saddled with Tkach.
But, considering the characters involved, there would have been a rash of mysterious poisonings, with suspicion laid at the feet of whoever the COE ended up selecting.
The church deserved Tkach. He was a manifestation of what many members and ministers truly believed. Accusations that one person single handedly destroyed HWAs legacy is simply not true. Joe was the leader, but it was a team effort.
Totally agree.
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