Do We Attack Other Religions?A few of our critics have accused us of attacking other religions. But that is not true. Allow me to be a little more spiritual than usual and explain why.
We publish a thoroughly researched newsmagazine. Our writers are well educated and believe the Bible. They write biblically based news articles that occasionally will offend some religions. However, we don’t want to offend people any more than is absolutely necessary. We attack issues or false beliefs, but not people. As it has been said, we attack sin, not the sinner.
PCG employees of their rag are NOT well educated in the Bible. They are well educated in Armstrongism and its deviant branch of Flurryism. If Gerald Flurry has not said it then it is not the truth. Flurry has even rewritten Herbert Armstrong's writings to fit his current state of theological imbecility.
WE BELIEVE GOD IS GOING TO SAVE CHRISTIANS, MUSLIMS, BUDDHISTS, HINDUS, CATHOLICS, PROTESTANTS AND JEWS—ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. BUT GOD IS GOING TO DO IT IN HIS WAY AND ACCORDING TO HIS TIME FRAME.
We proclaim a warning message in this magazine. God always warns the world before a great catastrophe. And we are facing the worst time of suffering ever on this Earth because of our wrong way of life. The need for changing human nature should be obvious to everybody. But it isn’t—yet. We must suffer until that lesson is learned. Much of our wrong way of living is religiously motivated. God gives mankind a choice. People can heed God’s message now and be protected from the coming holocaust. Or if they—collectively or individually—reject that warning, then they will suffer as never before.
The entire way of living in the PCG is religiously motivated in the wrong way! They have destroyed families and relationships due to their no-contact rules. Some of the most abusive ministers the church has ever seen are parked in the Philadelphia Church of God.
God uses that suffering to bring men to repentance—even if they die and must repent after they are resurrected from the dead.
If God uses that kind of suffering to bring people to repentance, why haven't the followers of Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, and Bob Thiel repented of following the agents of devilish deception?
God has an inspiring plan to save most of humanity—even if people rebel now. Of course, that means they are going to suffer a great deal more. God is also going to save nonbelievers when they repent, and most of them will. The Bible teaches that there will always be a certain percentage of people who will reject God’s way of life.
Armstrongist leaders have led their members down the dark tunnel of suffering because they have rejected the New Covenant and rejected the Christ they claim they follow. They would rather prostitute themselves to the law than ever have to deal with grace, justification, and sanctification which are all basic Christian principles that Christians have understood for millennia.
Speaking about His Second Coming, Christ refers to only a “little flock” that obeys Him before He returns. But surely we don’t think a loving God will be content to convert only a “little flock”! Christ died for the whole world—not a little flock.
Christ converted only 120 people when He came the first time. That was His little flock. He actually spoke in parables to keep the masses from understanding! (Matthew 13).
If the fields are white for harvest it sure as hell isn't talking about a tiny remnant parked in some Church of God somewhere.
Will the rest of humanity, not called at Christ’s first coming, be lost forever? Obviously, Christ knew that was not the best time to call most of those people. But how could a God of love ever say they are lost when He hasn’t even called them or opened their minds spiritually?
Generally, people in the Old Testament didn’t even receive God’s Holy Spirit! Are they lost? Of course not. God has a time frame—a master plan to save humanity. People will come to know God for the first time when they are resurrected and given God’s Holy Spirit (Ezekiel 37). No persons or religions are consigned to gehenna fire unless they have already known God and rejected Him.
This is where Flurry says ex-members and those who followed the Worldwide Church of God during the changes are headed.
God is love. He is filled with mercy. He is also a God of judgment. But only that little flock is being judged today (1 Peter 4:17). The whole world is deceived (Revelation 12:9). That means the people of this world don’t yet know God. They will be judged after Christ returns.
Our message may offend some people today. But soon the world will see that it was God’s message of love. It was a part of His plan to save mankind.
Nothing that Flurry has to say is God's message. That is a plain simple fact.
Of course, there is one way only to save your sorry ass and that's to write in for a copy of the rewritten Mystery of the Ages. Forget the New Covenant and its message of grace, justification, and sanctification. Only MOA has the plan of salvation that humanity needs.
Write for our full-length book Mystery of the Ages to thoroughly understand this hugely inspiring subject.
21 comments:
".... we are facing the worst time of suffering ever on this Earth.......the coming holocaust." Really? Well, Flurry (and Thiel, Weston, Shabi, etc) research this: Mat 24:37-39. A holocaust before the flood? No. Worst time of suffering ever before the flood? No.
"Thoroughly researched magazine", lol.
We attack issues or false beliefs, but not people.
Is Barack Obama an issue, or is he a false belief? Or does Gerald have a very short memory in his old age?
Allow me to be a little more spiritual than usual...
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, indeed! Flurry has to admit that he is usually not very spiritual.
Their entire body of work is built on setting up a cartoon caricature of Christianity and then jousting at it. I don't even like Christianity and I can see that much.
This is consistent with the original HWAcaca. If you are an Armstrongite leader, you believe that Jesus Christ is going to return to establish Armstrongism as God's government on Earth. Because "Mr." Armstrong was "God's Apostle" and was sent to restore God's truth in the end times, turning the hearts of the children to their fathers. These leaders then take to resetting terms and redefining everything to control the narrative. This is just another example in which attacking is now not really attacking. And, of course, it's all just a mess of $hit!
What a joke, not only do they attack other religions, but even more, the other splinter groups. These bitter groups like Packs, Flurries, Brisbies, etc ..., consistently attack everyone else but their own failings. I guess fooling ourselves, makes us feel superior.
"A few of our critics have accused us of attacking other religions. But that is not true."
"We attack issues or false beliefs, but not people."
A religion is a belief, not a person. So he just admitted he attacks other religions. How did that get past quality control in Edmond?
I was reading one of PCG's faux-news articles the other night and was quite amused at how badly done it was. The writer (Hilliker I think?) kept presenting quotes from "experts" who I looked up one by one - and most were absolutely NOT credentialed whatsoever. He might as well have gotten those opinions from employees at the local gas station.
And before anyone starts with "OMG DEEP STATE CREDENTIALS AINT..."... that's not what I'm talking about. If I want to know about, say, daily life in Toronto, I'm going to speak with a Toronto resident, not someone who went once for a weekend fifteen years ago. If I want to know about cold murder cases in Sedona, Arizona, I'm going to seek out people who worked on those cases. Not a police detective-turned-postal-worker in Annapolis, Maryland who wants to rant about random crimes.
I knew Lil Stevie had a habit of playing fast and loose with facts from reading his garbage book, but some of the other writers seem to be even worse.
Lil Stevie is about to get his own "false prophet" tag, considering how he is plainly calling Trump our nation's past "and future" President. Once Trump gets sidelined, one way or another, I hope more PCG people wake up and realize that Stevie has for decades been the sick brain behind his decrepit father's image, and that neither he nor Gerald are men of God.
According to people like Colonel Douglas MacGregor, the USA military is vastly overrated. Nonetheless, it is way bigger than all the militaries in Europe. Turkey could kick ass if they wanted to, with 2 million men. So who is afraid of occupied broken-down Germany? Not me. Even the Ukraine military was bigger and they are not doing so well.
The WWCGs "human nature needs to change" mantra that goes back to at least the 1960s, is a ripp-off of the commies desire for a "new man," Communism didn't work, so it's people rather than the ideology that needs to change.
Btw, Hollywood has portrayed this wished for new human nature/new man. They have labelled it Borg.
Narcissism is PCG
America is no longer great because voters are insular brain washed distracted fools. Satan has nothing to do with it. Somebody tell Flurry that, if you can get his head out of his back-side.
With just 3 words, you are actually on to something big, 6:36! I wish that I knew where to find it now, but years ago, on one of the now defunct blogs which holds Armstrongism accountable for its many deficiencies, a study was published on the negative effects which narcissistic religions have on children. For the purpose of discussion, a narcissistic religion was defined as one with so many obligations and activities for the parents to a church and its activities that it causes the parents to be totally into themselves and those activities every bit as much as an all-consuming sport, hobby, or profession which prevents parents from being close enough to their children to meet each child's emotional needs. It is devastating to a child's development in many ways, particularly in areas involving the child's sense of security, ability to have close personal relationships, and feeling that he or she is loved.
I'm sure that many parents might read such a study and think "Ah, but this is an apples to oranges comparison, because it is not a hobby, it is my church!" But those parents would be ignoring the fact that it is the effects which are being considered, and the effects on the child are the same! Ideally, ones relationship with God would foster healthy family relationships, and an atmosphere in which a developing child feels secure and loved, and is not just punished when the child is disturbing the rituals and practices demanded by their church. When one considers the scriptures describing Jesus' interaction with children, or prophets who would turn the hearts of fathers towards the children, this study is absolutely Biblical. It's just that pick and choose Armstrongism has always dwelt upon the harshest scriptures and has missed the intent of the royal law of love which is the underlying precept behind all of God's covenants and standards in His relationship with mankind.
The study, by the way, rings very true with many adults who were raised in the original Worldwide Church of God, and its professing successors. It is part of why a cult tells its members they are not to verify what they are taught by the cult through third party resources. There are deep underlying problems when members are restricted from fact-checking their own church.
“No persons or religions are consigned to gehenna fire unless they have already known God and rejected Him.”
I know I am turning out on a sidetrack but there is much about this preacher’s statement above that does not work. The statement is based on annihilationism – the idea that God will burn to ashes and non-existence the recalcitrant. Once again, Armstrongists have a problem with the Doctrine of God. They see God as human-like with limited abilities. God must take out and burn the trash like a man or woman tidying up.
Jesus speaks of a Regeneration (Matt 19:28) and he states he will “Make all things new” (Rev 21:5). God created all things, including our Cosmos, ex nihilo and said it was good. It reflected his moral character and must always do so to continually exist. But the Creation fell under the influence or other agencies, including human agencies, and must then be restored or regenerated. This regeneration is one of the profound blessings of the Cross. This means all things and everybody will be regenerated.
God made all human beings salvable. This is the idea behind the Imago Dei – the image of God. God made his being and purposes intelligible to human beings. Humans understand what Good, with a capital G, is. They understand the value of pursuing it. Often humans think something is Good when it is not but that is a flaw of psychology and understanding not a flaw of principle. God can bring everybody to salvation. The idea that there are people who “have already known God and rejected Him” is nonsensical. Because to know God is to inevitably accept him. We were created that way. As you can tell, I am not a follower of C.S. Lewis’ personal freedom argument – that anyone can decide that they prefer hell. No, they won’t. Only a mental incompetent would deny the value of seeking Good. And mental incompetents can and will be healed.
Armstrongism is not the only organization to assert Annihilationism. Sadly, most of Christianity is pre-occupied with Infernalism – the salvation of a few and the incineration of the many. This is a calumny on the God of all grace. Armstrongism isn’t even the worst. The whole concept reaches its culmination in the execrable doctrine of double predestination maintained by the Five Point Calvinists. The fact that Armstrongism and other denominations use hell to threaten people just compounds the crime.
Scout
Flurry wrote: "...We proclaim a warning message in this magazine. God always warns the world before a great catastrophe. And we are facing the worst time of suffering ever on this Earth because of our wrong way of life..."
What warning message? Anyone paying attention? This is 2024-how many more years does Flurry need for warning anybody? Whose way of life is wrong? The world's? The Flurryites?
Flurry continues with writing: "...The need for changing human nature should be obvious to everybody. But it isn’t—yet..."
Changing human nature is not obvious to me? Why not?
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good..." Gen 1:31
God had already created human nature, and it was displayed in both Adam and Eve, and it was "very good!" God said so on Day 6!
What happened to that human nature? Did it change? If so, then how? Flurry says it is obvious change is needed to human nature. God said it was very good; I think I will believe God. Apparently, it wasn't obvious to God that change was necessary.
Flurry continues with saying: "...We must suffer until that lesson is learned. Much of our wrong way of living is religiously motivated. God gives mankind a choice. People can heed God’s message now and be protected from the coming holocaust. Or if they—collectively or individually—reject that warning, then they will suffer as never before..."
Perhaps it is the Flurrites that must continue to suffer to learn the Flurry lesson. What's right/wrong about the Flurrite way of living?
And where did God give mankind a choice? If anything, God says: "Do it or die!" Everyone, with one exception, continues to sin...and die!
How would anybody do the right thing without God's Spirit working in one's life. For example, God told Moses that the Israelites were incapable of going some right way:
"Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day." Deut 29:4
What needs to change? "Very good" human nature, or hearts, eyes and ears? Or, both?
How about hundreds of years later? Without God's Spirit, it's a problem: whether one is an Israelite or a non-Israelite:
2 Cor 3:14 "But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
:15 "But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart."
Whatever Flurry's message is, it might as well fall on deaf ears, blind eyes and a hardened heart....along with the "warning" messages of all of the other hirelings who fled the former WCG.
We've been told about very good human nature, but we were also informed elsewhere that we wrestle not flesh and blood, but we do wrestle some evil principalities, who deceive, lie, destroy, interchange good and evil, and daily demonstrate their cruelty on humanity.
Flurry says: "We must suffer until that lesson is learned." Well, it appears that Flurrites among themselves have not learned that lesson. Same for this entire present evil world under Satan's reign. Another Jesus did not arrive in 2023. Flurry, driven by another spirit, appears to have locked on another gospel. Evil continues on unabated.
Will humanity continue for a while yet to learn to discern about a difference between good and evil, and eventually come to hate evil?
It's 2024! Forget Flurry's (& those of former WCG hirelings) works!
But will God's works (Psalm 111:4) be remembered, because they have been known from the beginning (Acts 15:18) of the world, from the foundation (Hebrews 4:3) of the world? Time will tell...
John
HWA used terror religion to establish a North Korean type run church, but that doesn't invalidate the book of Revelation. It's part of the bible and needs to be treated as such.
Wasn't it nice of the Catholics to include Revelation when they canonized the New Testament?
I also like that they included the deuterocanonicals, originally found in the Septuagint, in the Old Testament. We would have no knowledge of the Hellenist period, Antiochus Epiphanes, or the works of Judas Maccabeus during the intertestamental period if we did not have these books.
“Gerald Flurry Denies They Attack Other Religions”
Satan raised up the Philadelphia Church of Fraud specifically to viciously attack and cruelly destroy people who had been in the Worldwide Church of God. The wicked plan was to do outrageous evil to the WCG people and fool them into thinking that the evil was being done by God.
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