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Why Do Seventh Day Adventist Leave Their Church

 



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Exit Interviews: Why Do People Leave the Church?

29 April 2021  

https://atoday.org/atss-5-1-21/

There have been a number of projects dedicated to looking at attrition in Seventh-day Adventism, at who leaves the denomination and why. One of the most recent is this presentation by Dr. David Trim, the church’s Director of Archives, Statistics and Research, presented in 2016. (Dr. Trim has also been interviewed on the topic.)

While some studies have been conducted that did interview former Adventists to ask about their reasons for leaving the church (and Dr. Trim’s work does draw on those studies), many such presentations simply assume the reasons. The most common explanations given by current Adventists for why former Adventists have left are: (1) having been “hurt” in some way by the actions of church members or (2) wishing to “enjoy a life of sin” without the constraints on behavior of religious belief.

I thought there’d be value in simply asking some former members about their reasons for leaving, to try to develop a more nuanced understanding of what is going on for people. I should note that, although I do social science research in my day job, and have even published books on research methodology, this is by no means a formal study, and the results are only indicative. It’s an informal conversation with friends. From an ethics perspective, I won’t use any names, and I have the consent of all participants to share their reasons and stories.

It’s worth thinking about the “destinations” where former believers find themselves… or at least, the current waypoints on their life journey. By no means all end up “enjoying that life of sin”—in fact, very few do.

Quite a few join some other Christian denomination, or consider themselves “spiritual but not religious.”

Others become, if not “agnostic,” perhaps “apatheist”: apathetic toward God and religion. They are not anti-religious, particularly; they just consider that religious belief has no meaning or relevance in their lives. They find meaning in their relationships and secular (non-religious) activities.

And, of course, some also become atheists who consider that religious belief in general is a delusion. Even within the atheist group, some are more strongly anti-theistic while others are closer to the apathetic position.

I think this is important, because it takes us a little beyond the binary of “Adventist = saved, non-Adventist = lost.” If we genuinely accept that believers in other Christian denominations can be saved, then attrition from Adventism is not seen as necessarily attrition from faith or salvation. A more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of where people find themselves “after Adventism” is simply more accurate, and therefore more useful, than a simplistic binary.

I’ve asked a number of people in an online group I’m part of, and here are some of the answers. I try to group them a little, without presenting them in rank order or order of frequency of responses—the body of data is too small for that kind of analysis.

  1. Being “defined out” – people who feel that Adventism has been defined (including in changes to the Fundamental Beliefs) in ways that define them as being “outside,” and choose to accept that
  2. Studying their way out – people who have been convinced by very extensive and careful study of scripture and theology that various claims of Seventh-day Adventism are not supported by the best available evidence
  3. Recent creationism – people who find the very strong insistence on a literal 6-day creation week less than 10,000 years ago impossible to reconcile with their understanding of science. This is sometimes associated with anti-science perspectives on other issues such as the health effects of coffee or masturbation.
  4. Hierarchy – people who believe the denomination should be more congregational and local rather than global, so that local cultural differences can be accepted, rather than requiring uniformity
  5. Institutional protection of sexual predators – people who have been horrified by the treatment of survivors of sexual abuse (including themselves or people close to them) and their abusers, including cover-ups and “moving along”
  6. Women’s ordination – people who believe that some women are called to pastoral ministry and should be in all ways equal with men in that calling
  7. Morality of God – people who find the God who killed almost everyone on Earth in a Flood and commanded genocide of women and children after the Exodus morally unacceptable
  8. Sexuality – people who are gay, bi or trans and were told their very existence was wrong and excluded by both doctrine and practice
  9. Fluidity of belief – people who are not rigid in their belief structures, and who “flowed in” and later “flowed out” of belief
  10. Never believed – people who never really believed in supernatural things, in many cases despite being brought up in the church, and left once they were socially free to do so
  11. Claimed inerrancy of Scripture and Ellen G White – people who have identified errors in the Bible or the writings of Ellen White, when both are (sometimes) claimed to be inerrant (noting that inerrancy is not mainstream Adventist doctrine in either case)
  12. Inconsistencies within Scripture or between doctrine and Scripture – people who have identified inconsistencies within the Bible, within the writings of Ellen White, between EGW and the Bible or between the Bible and Adventist doctrinal positions
  13. Desmond Ford, his treatment at Glacier View and the Investigative Judgement – people (usually old enough to have been around at the time) who accept Dr. Ford’s critique of the Investigative Judgement doctrine, and/or who believe that his treatment by the denomination at the time and later was unfair
  14. Exclusive truth claims – people who find it impossible, in a very large and very diverse world of almost 7.9 billion people that a small group of 22 million Adventists (about 0.3% of the global population) has the One True Way and the other 99.7% of all human beings are just wrong

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dennis:

The title of this article does not really match the content. The title asks why people leave "the church" and the content is about why people leave the Adventist denomination. No doubt some of the reasons for leaving the Adventist denomination might apply to the Invisible Body of Christ but the article does not give us that nuance.

There is a group of people, scattered across the many denominations, that is is comprised of people who follow The Way. It is the Invisble Body of Christ, known only to God. And the action of Jesus within them through the Spirit makes them who they are and not denominational affiliation.

Armstrongists, along with a few other denominations, try to equate their denomination with the Invisible Body of Christ. Most such efforts can be invalidated by a review of church history and church dogma.

And it is interesting to consider, what is church government for the Invisible Body of Christ? It isn't any of the denominational governments. Those governments are particular to a certain group of people with a certain dogma. And further, when someone leaves a religious organization, are the leaving the church or are they leaving the denomination and can they tell the difference?

Scout

Note: A question I have thought about is whether there are any members of the Invisible Body of Christ in Armstrongist denominations. I don't know. I would think some modicum of Christian orthodoxy would need to be present for followers of The Way to be sustained in an organization. But that steps into the zone of judgement - a place that is exceeding uncomfortable for me.

Anonymous said...

The label Adventist means that something big is going to happen in the next 3 to 5 short years. So it's coercion rather than freedom and rights in these groups. No one can fully mature in a prison like environment.

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix said...

Dennis,

Thank you for sharing this piece with the folks here at Banned. I think that the way Adventists view former members (slighted/rejected, tired of the moral restraints) is comparable to the way folks in the currents ACOG splinters view most of us). Likewise, many of the reasons for leaving Adventism have appeared in the commentary here by former members of the Worldwide Church or its descendants. For me personally, the "we have the truth - you don't," completely indefensible doctrine of inerrancy, and the inconsistency with Scripture, history, and reason apparent in some of the teachings are the most troublesome aspects of Armstrongism. Finally, although I obviously came to different conclusions, I do see atheism as a legitimate outcome of having been a part of Armstrongism. In other words, I do not think that that is an unreasonable or unexpected outcome of having gone through this experience. I agree that no one can grow and flourish in a spiritual straitjacket devised by someone else as a "one size fits all."

Anonymous said...

It's been duly noted that the SDA community excels in member retention, and these interviews are clearly part of the reason why. The WCG, on the other hand, considered all members to be totally expendable, regardless of the consequences of lost income, or all of the bad will they built by their stupid government from the top down (sounds like a convertible except far less pleasant!) and "my way or the highway" policies.

I've often commented that the Armstrong churches would do well to conduct exit interviews, although what could one say in such an interview? "You lying authoritarian assholes are totally fucked!"???

"You think you have 100% truth, and use that to exploit and manipulate members!"?

"Who made you the gatekeepers of the tribulation and lake of fire?"

"I wish I had lived during the lifetime of Horace Armstrong so I could have turned him on to condoms, or a vasectomy!"

"You need serious re-education! May all the females in your family discover abundant happiness in interracial love!"

"You are the ones who are REALLY "falsely so-called!"

Seriously, the very thought of an exit interview suggests that there could actually even be a serious and thoughtful discussion of one's spiritual rape!

Shafted said...

It's been duly noted that the SDA community excels in member retention, and these interviews are clearly part of the reason why. The WCG, on the other hand, considered all members to be totally expendable, regardless of the consequences of lost income, or all of the bad will they built by their stupid government from the top down (sounds like a convertible except far less pleasant!) and "my way or the highway" policies.

I've often commented that the Armstrong churches would do well to conduct exit interviews, although what could one say in such an interview? "You lying authoritarian assholes are totally fucked!"???

"You think you have 100% truth, and use that to exploit and manipulate members!"?

"Who made you the gatekeepers of the tribulation and lake of fire?"

"I wish I had lived during the lifetime of Horace Armstrong so I could have turned him on to condoms, or a vasectomy!"

"You need serious re-education! May all the females in your family discover abundant happiness in interracial love!"

"You are the ones who are REALLY "falsely so-called!"

Seriously, the very thought of an exit interview suggests that there could actually even be a serious and thoughtful discussion of one's spiritual rape!

The W.A. said...

How many SDA's moved to COG's? From my experience, can't think of any.

Anonymous said...

My former WWCG minister lamented from the pulpit about God not allowing him to put several members out of his congregation. What the ministers desired is to yearly put out a few members in order to tyrannize the remainder into blind obedience.
These days, the splinters are pulling their punches since they want the numbers to pay for their ministers retirement.

Anonymous said...

I've heard sermons that have explained that people leave the church because they weren't diligent enough to grow their faith, or because they love the world too much.

I've never heard a sermon explain that people leave the church because they think the church teaches things that are untrue.

B. O. Pitts said...

Yeah. None of the ministers ever said that people leave the church due to good old common sense, either.