RCG News Flash – December 15, 2024
David C. Pack Declared Jesus Christ Would Return
on December 16, 2024.
But then taught maybe on January 15, 2025.
Then maybe on December 31, 2024.
Then maybe on March 29, 2025.
The inexplicable madness of The Restored Church of God continues. A prime example of the biblical lunacy the members are willing to endure centers around Pastor General David C. Pack declaring that the start of the 1335 in the book of Daniel brings salvation and Jesus Christ on December 16, 2024.
He taught this with “impossible it’s wrong” proofs during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 545)” on November 16, 2024 and promised even more evidence was coming.
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One week later, during “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 546)” on November 23, 2024, Dave expressed doubt about the previous teaching by suggesting it could happen instead on January 15, 2024.
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One week later, during "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 547)" on November 30, 2024, Dave threw out all he taught about a January 15 possibility to declare the 1335 still occurred on December 16, but salvation would not come until December 31.
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One week later, during "The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 548)" on December 7, 2024, Dave threw out all his recycled malarkey about a New Year's Eve possibility to declare the 1335 did still occur on December 16… but had to give a "heartbreaking" caveat that "haunted him." Members of The Restored Church of God MAY need to wait until March 29, 2025.
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To top off the meandering prophetic rollercoaster, David C. Pack declared he is prophesying NOW.
December 16 will be the 90th recorded prophetic failure for David C. Pack since being tracked in March 2022. When nothing happens tomorrow, he will once again publicly prove himself to be a blaspheming false prophet. He is not God's servant, and God is not working through him. But Dave refuses to see that.
David C. Pack said that “liars and satanic people” are attacking him. The fact is that David C. Pack attacks himself just by opening his mouth. Let his own words stand witness against him.
Who the “liars” are and what they are saying about RCG is unknown to me. If you know, please write exrcgwebsite@gmail.com.
Marc Cebrian
exrcg.org
24 comments:
It's a real bringdown to come home from a nice Sunday morning H/D ride on a beautiful sunny day, exhilarated and refreshed, to read this and realize that there are less fortunate people still stuck in these special little blends of HWA kosher all bovine fertilizer.
When will Dave (and others like him) simply make an obvious statement like, "Brethren, Jesus Christ could return at any time!" and leave the members to figure out how they need to let that guide their lives as if they had actual intelligence?
HWA hijacked my parents' lives. He booked a personal appearance for Jesus in 1975, apparently without confirmation from Jesus. When Jesus failed to validate HWA, and didn't show, I realized that HWA's entire schtick was a load of crap and left. God would not allow one of His real messengers to be so wrong on such an epic happening! HWA had taught us that it was because God had revealed the proper doctrines to "His Church" and that we were observant that God trusted us with the correct understanding of prophecy! I judged HWA by his own words! Why do the members of RCG allow Dave to be wrong several times each month? I guess muscle memory runs extremely deep for certain personality types. Either that or it's perseveration.
BB
Most people will pray for their lusts, selfishness and greed. They want God to conform to their dictates. They pray the gimmies: God, I want you to gimmie this, and give me that. Do it now! That's wrong. God made us, and He knows best what's good for us to have and do. But we don't. He never denies us anything that's good for us to have and do, but only those things that will harm and hurt us. He tells us in the Bible that we should pray according to God's will, what He has promised to give us. Read the Book titled the Holy Bible to learn what God has promised to do for us, and to give us, if we obey God by keeping His commandments.
My eisegesis is the 1335 days are AB 10, 70 AD when the Romans destroyed the temple, to NISAN 15, 74 AD when the 45 day siege, from the 1290 days, was completed at Masada.
Blonde, blue-eyed, short-haired caucasian Jesus is just how most Armstrongites imagine Jesus.
Psalm 37:4 "Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart". We succeed at things if our hearts are in it, which is why God responds to our desires.
So, Doc, who amongst us do you think doesn't or hasn't read the Bible, most of us even excessively???
Well, anon1138, it seems I don't always keep Christ's commands. Do you know anyone that does? There are times someone asks for assistance, and I don't always give that assistance and my cloak too. There are times I'm angry and it is not exactly righteous anger. There are times I know someone could use my help but I don't go that extra mile. There are times I have attended the Feast of Tabernacles and not built a sukkah and instead spent my time in a condo. I have not visited the orphans and widows in their trouble sufficiently. As Paul says, "Who will save me from this body of death?" The answer is Jesus. It is faith and belief rather than obedience; but this doesn't mean a sinfest as some in the COGs like to say. Our behaviour will improve as our faith grows.
Sounds reasonable. That time frame is also the 3 1/2 hears spoken of in Revelation save for the fact the Romans won and always would. The Book of Daniel, IMHO, is a second century work backwritten into the 5th and is an encouragement to the Jews of the Maccabean revolt to hang in. They lost to the Romans too. The themes of Daniel were used by the author of Revelation to encourage the Jewish zealots and Christians to hang in in 70 and the Messiah would come. Of course...the Romans... :)
I very much doubt that.
The other splinters do the same as Dave with his non stop 'Christ is just about to return,' but with a diluted time frame. Members are constantly reminded to tolerate all manner the cult abuse cause time is so short.
Christ instructed to rebuke a sinning brother and if he/she refuses to repent, to shun them. Where's tolerating abuse in that instruction?
Marc, time for you and Dawn to do another special.
Can't ignore Acts 1:6-7: 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
Anon, Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 5:37:39 PM PST, wrote:
Can't ignore Acts 1:6-7: 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.
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And can't ignore Psalm 110:1
"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Who will make make those enemies a footstool of the Lord?
The LORD, Jesus' God, Jesus' Father, that God (Acts 3:13) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Jesus isn't too stupid to know when to return, but did Jesus, unlike Dave Pack, know that the timing was under His Father's control?
When will Dave Pack's vail be removed from his mind/eyes, so he can eventually agree with Jesus Christ's perfect thoughts regarding His return. Jesus knew there was an advantage to being allowed to be at His Father's right hand for a while.
After all, isn't it Jesus' Father/God who claims He will take care of those enemies?
Time will tell...
John
Jesus wasn't and isn't "stupid." Human beings like me (and even David Pack) can be.
Wouldn't it be nice if God caused false prophets and false teachers to stink like skunks?
As poignant an indicator as that might be, I have no doubt that certain people we all know would still glom on to them, and find ways to rationalize their belief and allegiance.
BB
NT writers and the use of the OT
Reading the OT through the lens of the NT may lead to misunderstandings of the context and of the subject of the context.
Hos 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
Hos 11:2 As they called them, so they went from them: they sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.
Mt 2:15 And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
Matthew using Second Temple Exegesis could take Hos 11:1 out of its historical context and apply this verse to Christ. Of course he could not apply Hos 11:2 to Christ.
This leads to Ps 110.
Ps 110:0 A Psalm of David.
Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Ps 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
Ps 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
"In light of NT use of the Psalm, Christian exegesis traditionally took the psalm as messianic prophecy that Jesus fulfills... One would never guess this interpretation from the psalm; it can only be read into it. When Yhwh spoke the words in OT times, people could not have been expected to understand them as the NT does... The relationship between NT and OT text is the one that regularly obtains. In light of Jesus' coming, the Holy Spirit inspires significance in the OT that was never there before" (John Goldingay, Psalms: Psalms 90-150, BCOT, p.299).
NT writers could take Ps 110:1 out of is historical context and apply it to Jesus; and Jesus could apply it to himself.
For those who believe that this psalm was written as direct messianic prophecy of Jesus, how does 110:7 apply to Him? It was only later that 110:1 was understood by many but not all as messianic prophecy; especially after the return from exile and there was no king in Judah.
1Ch 23:1 So when David was old and full of days, he made Solomon his son king over Israel.
It is suggested that this Psalm was written during David's and Solomon's co-regency when David was too infirm to govern, so that Solomon was David's Lord. This Psalm probably from then on became a coronation psalm. Also with the soon to be built the temple Solomon was appointed to the priesthood of the order of Melchizedek (cp. Ps 110:4).
In verse 1 the Lord is at God’s right hand and in verse 5 the LORD is at the Lord’s right hand.
But what do these expression mean? Looking, then, at God’s role in this and how He achieved His goal:
2Sa 7:8a "And now, this shall you say to my servant David. Thus has Yahweh of hosts said...
2 Sa 7:9 I HAVE been with you wherever you went, destroying all your enemies before you. I HAVE made your fame as great as that if the greatest of the land.
2 Sa 7:10a I HAVE established a place for my people Israel and I HAVE planted them so that the might dwell where they are, disturbed no more. (A.A. Anderson, 2 Samuel, WBC, p.121).
God was with David and did all the above things for him — “I have” occurs four times in 7:9-10. But how did God do these things for David?
2Co 5:19a To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
1Ki 5:3 ... because of the wars waged against ... David from all sides, he could not build a temple for the Name of the LORD his God until THE LORD PUT HIS ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET.
God was “in” David putting David’s enemies under his feet. God put David’s enemies under his feet through David himself.
Part 2
Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
1Ki 5:4 But now the LORD my God hath given me rest on every side, so that there is neither adversary nor evil occurrent
1Ch 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I WILL give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I WILL give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.
God did the same for Solomon.
Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
And God will continued to do so for Christ. God will put all Jesus’ enemies under His feet through Jesus. Paul explains:
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when HE SHALL HAVE DELIVERED UP the kingdom to God, even the Father; when HE SHALL HAVE PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For HE MUST REIGN, till HE HATH PUT all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
“We begin by noting that Christ is the grammatical subject of all the verbs in vv. 24-26... what in the psalm is the activity of God is now read by Paul as the activity of the PRESENTLY REIGNING Christ... Moreover, the “citation” of Ps 110:1 in v.25 is yet another place where, for Paul, Christ has assumed the role that God plays in the psalm itself. By changing from first person, where Yahweh is speaking, to the third person, to conform to Paul’s use of the psalm, he thus attributed to Christ the role of “putting the enemies under his (own) feet” ” (Gordon D. Fee, Pauline Christology, pp.109 & 111). As will be appreciated there is a lot more to Paul’s argument.
Ps 22:0 ... A Psalm of David.
Ps 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Verses in Psalm 22 are also taken out of their historical context and applied to Jesus. David’s lament of the trials he was going through was applied to Christ:
Ps 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Mk 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (cp. Matt 27:46).
Ps 22:7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
Ps 22:8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
Mt 27:39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
Mt 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Ps 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Mt 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
“Given the scope of Psalm 22, it is no surprise that it was seen by the New Testament writers as applicable to the death of Jesus” (Beth Tanner, Psalms, NICOT, p.237).
“According to the indices of Old Testament quotations, allusions, and verbal parallels in the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament, Psalm 22 is referred to some twenty four times in the New Testament. Three of the four direct quotations listed and fourteen of twenty allusions/parallels are found within the narratives of Jesus’ passion and crucifixion, indicating that the psalm had already been received as an important resource for understanding and explaining the suffering and death of Jesus at an early date. This is certainly true. Jesus himself affirmed that connection when he chose verse 1 as his statement of agony from the cross. Nevertheless, I caution against any exclusive understanding of Psalm 22 only in the light of Christ.
Part 3
“One negative tendency of such an exclusive approach to this psalm has been to mine the psalm for its prophetic references to Christ while ignoring its long history within the community of faith before Jesus knew or used it. It is because of this long history of meaning in the community of faith that Jesus understood it to have special significance to his own life, ministry, and death. Only as we understand what the psalm means on its own are we better able to understand why Jesus chose these words to reflect his own agony of abandonment by his Father at the final moment of crisis represented by the cross.
“Far from being just a prediction of events surrounding Jesus’ death, the psalm reflects a model of response to abandonment and divine delay with which Jesus could identify and by which he could open windows for others into his own conflict. By quoting just verse 1 of this psalm, Jesus could draw on a long history of awareness on the part of his listeners who knew how the first nineteen verse illustrate the struggle of the faithful sufferer who waits for deliverance by God. It is important to realize that even the New Testament writers were able to read Psalm 22 as encouragement to the faithful in their contexts of suffering [Cf. esp. Rom 5;5; Phi. 3:2; 2 Tim 4:17]. If we read this psalm only as predictions of Christ, we obscure our own obligation to see and hear ourselves in these words. That is certainly what Jesus did and what he calls us to do — to identify with the pain of those, including himself, who have come under the weight of the seemingly unconquerable distance that can separate God from his faithful one(s) in a time of deep suffering” (Gerald H. Wilson, Psalms Volume 1, NIVAC, pp.424-25).
Ps 22:21 Save me from the mouth of the lion; at the horns of the wild oxen You have answered me! (BSB)
Ps 22:22 I declare Thy name to my brethren, In the midst of the assembly [ekklesia, LXX] I praise Thee.
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the presence of the church [ekklesia] will I sing praise unto thee.
“At v.22, this one is no longer alone but is now praising God in the assembly and inviting others to do the same (v.23). Being surrounded by menacing enemies is exchanged for being surrounded by the worshipping community...” (Beth Tanner, Psalms, NICOT, p.236).
“In the presence of the congregation is literally “in the midst of the ekklesia” or “church” (see KJV). Although in the LXX the “congregation” or “assembly of Israel is meant, the author and his readers would quite naturally have had their minds turned to the church by this particular word” (Donald Hagner, Hebrews, NIBC. p.55).
“To prove his bold assertion that Jesus calls his followers brothers, the author gleans a verse from the messianic twenty-second psalm. Interestingly, he puts the words of this particular text on the lips of Jesus and introduces the quotation with the words he says. In chapter 1 of Hebrews, God is the speaker; in chapter 2 Jesus utters verses from Psalm 22:22 and Isaiah 8:17-18 (quoted in v. 13 with divine authority.
“The Messiah proclaims the name of his brothers in the midst of the congregation — that is, in the church. By calling attention to the place in which he will testify, the Messiah limits the appellation brothers to those who spiritually makes up the church, the body of believers. The psalmist exhorts those who fear the Lord to praise him (Ps 22:23)...
“The Messiah is speaking not only in the first part of Psalm 22... but also in the last part of the psalm. This Scripture is fulfilled by Christ, who rejoices in the midst of his people, the church, of which he is the head. He defends his brothers, upholds them, and listens to their prayers. They can put their trust in him” (William Hendriksen & Simon J. Kistemaker, Hebrew, NTC, p.72).
C.S. Lewis: "The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God."
Byker Bob, Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 12:10:57 PM PST, wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if God caused false prophets and false teachers to stink like skunks?
As poignant an indicator as that might be, I have no doubt that certain people we all know would still glom on to them, and find ways to rationalize their belief and allegiance.
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Interesting comment BB,
Isaiah 3:24 "And it shall come to pass, [that] instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; [and] burning instead of beauty."
I imagine that if Bob Thiel had a choice he, rather than stink, might prefer a rent, baldness, burning or even a stomacher...whatever that is; however, it probably still would not matter, because as you wrote: "...no doubt that certain people we all know would still glom on to them, and find ways to rationalize their belief and allegiance."
Time is telling...
John
Is this heaven? NO, it's Iowa! (Field of Dreams 1992)
There is no evidence that Jesus can return soon, because there is no evidence that he was ever here in the first place. It's all just narrative. Paperwork. Claims. Assertions. No facts. No evidence. No proof.
Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to redefine "proof" for us. And do remember that one man's scatology is another's eschatology.
Just because people renamed B.C. and A.D., it didn't make Jesus go away!
The bible narrative is a STORY. A story without any evidence to support it. It has no more evidence to support it than numerous other claims, myths, narratives, and stories.
How does ANYONE take this obvious FRUIT LOOP seriously?? He needs to see a Psychiatrist for his obvious DELUSIONS!!
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