Monday, September 15, 2025

Ron Weinland and His "The Rest of... Mystery of the Ages"


For many decades, Herbert Armstrong was the final word on everything. No one dared question him or add to his writings. That only lasted until the Great Apostasy, when scores of underlings—almost always unimportant men in the Church of God—decided they were more enlightened and that God had doubly blessed them with superpowers of understanding, giving them permission to start new churches.

Whether it was Gerald Flurry, Ron Weinland, Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Alton Billingsley, and so many more, these guys all imagined that their god was speaking directly through them and that they were in constant mind streams of new revelation from their individual gods.

Gerald Flurry has changed many of the words in Mystery of the Ages because, taken at face value, it labels Flurry as a fraud and impostor. Dave Pack felt God needed to reveal more to him and now wallows in the mire of hundreds of failed prophecies and predicted dates of Christ's imminent return. Bob Thiel has also added to the things Herbert Armstrong taught and claims he is the only one Christ is working through today. Alton Billingsley's predictions have also all failed, even though God had specially set him up as the final truth preserver.

And then there is Ron Weinland—the only Church of God leader, so far, who is a convicted felon. His prophecies and predictions have also failed. He, too, needed to correct Herbert Armstrong in his understanding, particularly when it comes to Mystery of the Ages

Herbert Armstrong's Mystery of the Ages identifies seven key mysteries that he believed were hidden from the world and revealed through the Bible, which he interpreted to explain existence. These seven mysteries are: God, Angels and Evil Spirits, Man, Civilization, Israel, the Church, and the Kingdom of God. 

Ron Weinland states, regarding Mystery of the Ages as to why he had to add four new mysteries:

Although this book was a compilation of the fifty plus years of revealed truths given to Herbert W. Armstrong, there was still more truth to be revealed. God reserved a double portion of His spirit to be poured out upon His final apostle for the end-time. The giving of that extra portion of His spirit was for the explicit purpose of revealing many more truths to His Church, and to the world, before His Son returns as King of kings. God’s purpose in this has been to reveal far greater understanding of Himself and His creation at the final stages of the end-time. God is doing this to open the way for great understanding when He begins to pour out His holy spirit upon multiple millions to be called into His Church.

What's with all of these self-appointed crackpot prophets claiming they are doubly anointed, doubly blessed, or are the recipients of a double blessing specially reserved for them by God for use in these perilous end times? 

I do not know how Weinland can claim this since Bob Thiel claims he got the final double blessing. Just more proof they are both liars.

The nonsense continues:

These final four truths that God has given His Church are profound beyond measure. In this final great revelation to mankind, these truths put the finishing touch on what God is now going to perform in His great creation, as He ushers in His Kingdom upon the earth.

These final four truths, revealed through God’s final end-time apostle, bring the total of additional truths added since the apostasy to 36. 
 
New Covenant Christians understand that the office of apostle is foundational and temporary under the New Covenant—the new relationship with God established through Jesus Christ's death and resurrection (Jeremiah 31:31–34; Hebrews 8:6–13). There is no need for apostles today, despite the deceptions that Bob Thiel and Ron Weinland promote as supposed "facts."

The New Testament describes the church as "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone" (Ephesians 2:20). Just as a building requires a one-time foundation, the apostles' role was to lay the groundwork for the early church by spreading the gospel, planting congregations, and providing authoritative teaching. Once this foundation was established in the first century, the need for new apostles ended, as the structure could then be built upon the completed New Testament scriptures.

No one alive today in any Church of God meets the biblical criterion of being an eyewitness to Christ's resurrection, making the office unrepeatable.

Apostles authenticated the gospel message through signs, wonders, and miracles, but this was tied to the launch of the New Covenant era. No man alive in the Armstrongist churches today has ever authenticated the gospel message through signs, wonders, and miracles. None of them—including Bob Thiel and Ron Weinland— will ever do so in the future. They cannot even get a prophecy right, so how in the world will they ever perform miracles and wonders?

Weinland continues:

This is double what God gave during the Philadelphia era. Indeed, a double portion of God’s spirit has been poured out, and the Church and world are now prepared for the final events that will transpire and lead into God’s Kingdom finally being established on this earth.

There is not an Armstrongist church leader alive today who has ever had a "double portion" bestowed upon them, no matter how much they claim so.

These are the supposed "new truths" Wienland pulled out of his posterior

The Spirit Realm

The first of the last four truths that God has chosen to reveal at this stage of the end-time concerns God’s judgment upon Satan and the punish- ment he will receive from God for his rebellion. To understand this pun- ishment and why Satan has been allowed to dwell on this earth, in the presence of mankind—deceiving mankind, cannot be fully understood without understanding the two truths that follow this one.

Then the stupdity just gets worse:

It simply states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (Jn. 1:1). This verse begins to reveal great and awesome things about God, yet most who read this do not begin to comprehend the magnitude of what God is revealing. Most of the Church of God that was scattered after the apostasy read things into this verse that are neither stated, nor implied. 
 
Most individuals make an assumption concerning verse 14; this is a grave error and actually blasphemous in nature. It states, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth” (Jn. 1:14). This is a simple statement in reference to verse 1 of a revelation to mankind concerning the Word of God, but because of the awkward translation of the verse into English, it is misapplied to a Trinity doctrine. The Trinity teaches that there are three beings in the Godhead that are separate, yet one. The belief of the Trinity is that the “Holy Ghost” (as translated into the English, King James Version) is one of those beings and has eternally existed. The belief also teaches that Jesus Christ is one of the beings of this Godhead who has eternally existed.

So when people read in John 1:1 that the “Word was with God,” they mistakenly assume that this is speaking of the Word in verse 14 that was made flesh—which is clearly speaking of Jesus Christ being the one made of flesh. Because of this assumption, people miss the far greater revelation that God is giving about Himself and His plan for mankind. 
 
When it states that the “Word was with God” it is not stating that the Word was Jesus Christ who was “with” (along side) God. This word “with” in Greek does not mean “along side or together with, as to be with someone.” A simple short study of the word would reveal how it is used in other scripture. There is another word in the Greek language that does mean “to be with someone or along side someone,” but this is not such a word.

Let’s notice a simple example of this: “And he said, Go into the city to [this word “to” is the same Gk. word translated as “with” in Jn.1, but means “unto,” “to,” “at”] such a man, and say unto him, The Master said, My time is at hand; I will keep the Passover at [the same Gk. word that means “unto, to, at”] your house with [a different Gk. word that does mean “with,” as along with], my disciples” (Mat. 26:18). Jesus was not telling his disciples to go into the city “with” the man they were to meet, but they were to go into the city “to or unto” the man he described. He was not telling them that he would keep the Passover “with” the house, but “at” that house. He did say that he would keep the Passover “with” his disciples.

Now, returning to the verse in John 1:1, it is simply saying the “Word was unto God,” not “with” God. In other words, the “Word” was unto God and unto no other. The Word was ONLY unto God. It was God’s Word. In this verse, Jesus Christ is clearly not being spoken of as being “with” God.
This verse is simply a greater revelation of what is recorded earlier: “I am the LORD [Yahweh], and there is none else [Heb.—“no one else”], there is no God [Elohim] beside me: I girded thee, though you have not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD [Yahweh], and there is none else [Heb.—“no one else”]” (Is. 45:5-6). 
 
Those who cling to any part of a Trinity doctrine, either claiming that the Holy Ghost has eternally existed, or that Jesus Christ has eter- nally existed, or both, ignore God’s clear words. This false doctrine of the Catholic Church (that many others have embraced) has caused great confusion in the world and has hindered the spread of the true Gospel (good news) from God about His true plan and purpose for mankind. It has hindered those in Judaism and Islam from learning truth that came through God’s great Prophet, Jesus Christ. The reason being, both of these religious groups believe that God is One (which the world of tradi- tional Christianity has always rejected), and that only the One Almighty God has eternally existed; therefore, they have been quicker to reject any of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 
 
In very clear and even stronger terms, the LORD God (Yahweh Elohim) reveals that He is the Creator of all things and that there was no one else who helped in His creation: “For thus says the LORD [Yahweh] who created the heavens; God [Elohim] Himself who formed the earth and made it. He has established it. He did not create it in vain, but He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD [Yahweh]; and there is none else” (Is. 45:18).

The craziness continues, which is too endless to post here. 

These are the rest of the new revelations he has had:

HISTORY OF THE SPIRIT REALM
THE CREATION OF EVIL
THE CREATION OF ELOHIM

TRUTH #1: There is an end to Satan’s existence. His punishment is that of eternal death, never to have life again.

TRUTH #2: Angels were created and composed of spirit essence and given life by God (spirit life), yet they do not have self-sustaining life inherent in themselves. They are sustained by God, and only God has immortal, self-sustaining life inherent in Himself. It also needs to be understood that at their creation (although the angels were given spirit-sustaining life) they were never given of the holy spirit, nor were they ever given access to it.

TRUTH #3: God created both good and evil,

TRUTH #4: Through the power of the holy spirit, Almighty God will “dwell” IN His Family into everlasting life, and they will always dwell IN Him. 
 
You can read this mishmash of made-up heretical nonsense here: THE REST OF...MYSTERY OF THE AGES

It is like Bob Thiel on steroids!

Hat tip to David for this information!

21 comments:

David said...

Between G. Flurry (who thinks he's the King of England), R. Weinland (who claims to have a double portion of the Holy Spirit), D. Pack (who's completely lost his mind), and... I don't know which one is the craziest, they're all as crazy as each other.

The real mystery is: how can normal people believe all this nonsense?

R.L. said...

Why is the "history of the spirit realm" a separate mystery from the mystery of "angels and evil spirits"?

And in all this, why is Jesus Christ not considered a "mystery" - the last part of Colossians 2:2?

Anonymous said...

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Anonymous said...

And just when you’re thought you have heard it all………
Along comes Ronny lad to burst our bubble.
Thanks Ron, we really need this book.
I should buy a copy and send it to Bwana Thiel for a review.
And to the future king of England, king Gerry the first lol.

Sam N said...

Sure have missed Ron and his 2008 (??) prediction.

Byker Bob said...

Most of these guys initially sold themselves as being accurate place holders for HWA, just humble guardians, mightily hanging on to the faith once delivered. And then??? Well, it seems "the end" didn't come any sooner for them than it did for HWA, did it? It would have all worked out just fine had it only required the initial reset (within the next 3-5 years). So, all these guys who rose up in righteous indignation that presumptuous Joe would change things around and wear HWA's title began reconfiguring things and making them more to their own liking. Let's face it, it's boring just being a place holder for an undetermined piece of time!

Gotta have a personal legacy! HWA might've been the only one to experience phenomenal growth and world acclaim, but why should he also be the only conduit for restored truth! Soon there were outrageous new biblical titles, inept attempts at being "that prophet", booklets to rival MOA, building programs, a Mafia-level bump in the strong-arming of the financial blessings God bestowed upon hard-working, faithful members, liberal modifications to "government from the top down", or conservative authoritarian amplifications of that same tyrannical government; secret offshore bank accounts, Irish Dancing and a Jet to support it, and, (drum role), horses! Laodiceans? Oh, don't worry 'bout it! That's all them other ACOG guys!

If HWA was the originator who led the "real" band, this whole sorry mess you see around you is the worst imaginable "tribute" band, cause most of the original players have passed on. Bad nostalgia. Karaoke, played to people who long for the so-called golden era which wasn't so golden itself! But, then again, ain't that just human nature? Look around you at what everyone else is doing as your mind drearily sings the Jimi Hendrix version of Bob Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower" Better yet, go for Dylan's "Desolation Row". It's even more succinct, and some of the characters more closely resemble the players in the Armstrong Movement than do the Joker and the Thief! Go ahead and say it, Lee! No succession, either!

BB

Anonymous said...


The Continuing Doctrinal Changes

The person that Herbert W. Armstrong actually did set up as his own successor to lead the Worldwide Church of God, Joseph W. Tkach, Sr., ended up openly throwing out of the WCG in January 1995 virtually everything that HWA had taught at the time of his death in January 1986.

The self-appointed successors to Herbert W Armstrong who claimed to be faithfully holding fast to everything that HWA had taught, such as Gerald R. Flurry and David C. Pack, went on to edit, delete, change, add to, warp, mangle, and totally pervert HWA's teachings.

Herbert W. Armstrong claimed to be Christ's chosen apostle who came to restore all things. All the teachings and traditions in the Worldwide Church of God had come through HWA. Now, every one of the WCG splinter group leaders thinks that he has to change HWA's teachings in his own ways.

Feastgoer said...

It turns out this "Rest Of..." is a 2010 book. He might not have expected a long shelf life for it.

Anonymous said...

When we see the ways of these corrupted Armstrong offshoots and their sheer stupidity we don't need to wonder too much because they stemmed for the biggest nut case self appointed apostle of the past 100 years.

Anonymous said...

The original was bad enough and basically unreadable. It doesn't need a sequel from Weinland.

Anonymous said...

Just another antichrist who will soon be forgotten.

Anonymous said...



Weinland wrote, “In very clear and even stronger terms, the LORD God (Yahweh Elohim) reveals that He is the Creator of all things and that there was no one else who helped in His creation”

I know very little about Ron Weinland. The last time I spoke to him was in the Field House in Big Sandy long ago about some possible travel plans. Our paths never again crossed after those days.

Millerism seems to be genetic. It gets transmitted from generation to generation pretty much intact. One might expect such an unusual collection of ideas to die out at some point, but it seems uncannily to persist. In what Weinland writes, there is a clear Arianist motif. I am not going to read his material, but I suspect he stands by the idea that Jesus was created. This is a Millerite/Arianist meme. When Weinland asserts Arianist ideas, he is actually making himself much more a Millerite than HWA was. HWA asserted that Jesus is God. In this, HWA departed from the Arianist views often held by Adventists and the Church of God Seventh Day.

You have to be careful when Millerites use the term “god.” In some cases, they are talking about the uncreated God of Christianity and in other cases they are not. They may be talking about a great spirit being who was created by the uncreated God and accorded the status of God. After all, Armstrongists believe they will become God-as-God-is-God. But in my experience the WCG never held that Jesus is a created being. They did believe Jesus is subordinate to God. Subordinationism is a view derived from Millerism.

I had a brief look at the Weinland’s idea of creating Elohim. This seems to be an extension of the God-as-God-is-God destiny as developed by HWA. Oddly, Christians may become Elohim without becoming God-as-God-is-God. Elohim is a term that has a variety of applications in the OT. It is even used to refer to pagan gods. When the Psalmist said, “Ye are gods” in reference to human beings in Psalm 82, the term he used was Elohim. Jesus quoted this passage in John 10:34. So, everyone who receives salvation may become an Elohim. But this refers to something like Angelic status and not God-as-God-is-God.

Scout

Byker Bob said...

Good points, 7:45. And, those become part of the cumulative proofs that there is no way HWA or the WCG could have been what he said they were!

If God had actually revealed truths to HWA to equip him to warn this nation and the world of the end times, He would have supernaturally taken out any person or factor which might have curtailed that message, or diminished its power. In his letters to the brethren, HWA frequently pointed out attempts at this or attacks which he imagined to be taking place. As it played out, it almost appears as if the splinters were spewed from the mouth of an angry God. The "corrected" mothership didn't do so hot either! Any logically thinking person would have assumed that if God had been behind all things Armstrong, there wouldn't have even been a hiccup! At least one of the splinters would have been super-blessed, hitting the ground running, and taking "the work" to the next level. Instead, the message became nearly invisible as well as impotent. The primary individuals who were supposedly warned through the World Tomorrow and Plain Truth have now been dying off for decades. The WW-II generation who were young parents in the mid 1950s are nearly all gone, and the baby boomers are now quickly following them. Don't believe me? Check your favorite rock stars. They've been dropping like flies.

Many members did not heed the earliest warning signs. I considered the fiasco of 1972-75 to be every bit as ridiculous as Dave Pack's nearly daily prophecy failures are seen today! And, this was without my knowing about Herbert's earlier failures during WW-II. By all logic, he should not have had any remaining credibility following that! But, word did not travel and remain as it does today. Hence, he returned with "1975 in Prophecy".

It is surprising what has happened in the wake of the "information super highway". Paradoxically, the factual materials available at a mouse click or two prevent new people from being deceived, but are somehow ignored and/or dismissed by the willingly ignorant who insist on remaining deceived. I guess that is not too terribly difficult to understand. In spite of the massive evidence to the contrary, and the rudderless behavior of those claiming to have his mantle, they consider HWA to have been a biblical figure. God's Apostle. So, facts do not even matter to them.

BB

Anonymous said...

If Christ was a created being (also taught by the Jehovah's Witness's), his death could not have paid for everyone's sins.

Anonymous said...

The Witnesses also say Jesus is the arch angel Michael and use certain verses to try to allegedly 'prove' so.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it is Miller (William back in 1844) time... of the "Second Coming"......@FOI-Ex 23:16......
Bible: 1656+426+400+480+429....to 585 BC....+2609 = 6000 years

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:42

Just so. And it also requires a being at the God level to be the mediator for us. A person at some level below that, the level of a created being, could not serve in this role. It requires a God-level ontology to approach and mediate between God and man or there is a lack of parity and authority. This is not something I can exegete. It is just a rational deduction made after understanding from scripture that Jesus is God.

Scout

nck said...

Very psinful and sobering content......... about the Rock Stars. 😂😂

Nck

Anonymous said...

The state of the COGs is discouraging right now. After the tragic shooting of Charlie Kirk, I started listening to some of his messages and was struck by how much more biblical truth and plain common sense I heard there compared to anything I ever got from the old WCG materials. As a result, I decided it was time to let go of Mystery of the Ages, the autobiography, The Incredible Human Potential, and a stack of other booklets. Honestly, it wasn’t much of a loss—I hadn’t opened them in years. I will continue observing the Sabbath, but more than ever I want to lean on God’s guidance for the way forward.

John said...

Anon, Tuesday, September 16, 2025 at 10:42:05 AM PDT, wrote:

If Christ was a created being (also taught by the Jehovah's Witness's), his death could not have paid for everyone's sins.
******
Anon, the Apostle Paul was inspired to tell you/us this:

"For the wages of sin [is] death; but..." Romans 6:23

Is there sin in your life? Do you really think Jesus' death will pay for your sin(s)?

You will pay those wages just like Paul said, because it is appointed unto you/us once to die, and when you die, guess what? Wages of sin, death, was paid, wasn't it?

We also know that: "... the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Did Christ’s death pay for everyone’s sins, or did Christ's life and death accomplish other purposes?

John

Anonymous said...

Hey Zeus! Next time, better look before you leap!