COG's Have A Bad Attitude Problem: They Are Ignoring the End Time Prophet

COGers turning their backs on The Prophet

Prophet Malm has been on a roll since the Feast setting up his scenario on how an upcoming Arab/Israeli war which will draw in  the US and European nations that will utterly defeat the Hezbollah and the rest of the Muslim hoards.

He has also been spending a lot of time on the "New Moons" and various legalistic rules and regulations that COG members should be observing on those days.  Prophet Malm's directive for new moons can only be sighted first in the surrounding area of Jerusalem and at that immediate time it is applicable around the world for all COGers.. COG embers are then to have New Moon bible studies, wave palm and tree branches, blow horns and an odd assortment of other things that have no relevance for Christians.

But the Prophet has run into a cement wall and he is not happy.  He says he has taken his message to many of the COG leaders and they ignored him.

I stood up to try and present a warning and wake up call for the brethren in 2007, never intending to start any organization.  Rather I had hoped that at least some of these groups would be turned to a fuller relationship with God as groups.

It is clear that that is not going to happen; most of the leaders of these groups including most elders [not all] are very deeply entrenched in their traditions and are most comfortable in their ruts; they are also filled with pride and will not believe anything that does not originate from their own leadership.

I remember an instance way back in about 1983/84 when I had discussed a matter with an elder and he actually said: “I never looked at this in that way before, you are quite right; but if it was important it would have come from Mr. Armstrong.”  Of course that threw a wet blanket on any zeal for real study and thought;  I an happy to say that it did not discourage my studies although it did disillusion me as to the attitude of the elders.

That attitude is rampant today; there is so much arrogant pride that no one will take an honest interest in anything not originated by their group and leaders.  That will be their downfall and they will not heed any warning until they are forced to do so when their fears come upon them to humble them.

Those stupid, blinded ministers are ignoring his prophetic message!  He and he alone has the final word on how the end times is going to go down.

Because the ministers are ignoring him (as they should) he is attempting to take his message to the people of the COG's. Sadly he is failing miserably with them too:

Right now there are a few hundred folks spread around the world studying and receiving the truth with joy.

There are another thousand or more who are sitting on the fence to see how things turn out.  Quite frankly they are gun shy over all the false teachers and deceitful leaders in all of these groups including folks like Ron Weinland.  These people are following the advice of Gamaliel and taking a wait and see attitude; at the same time many of them have studied intensively through the sites.  They are just not ready to leave their friends etc for an unknown until they see the fruits clearly.

Maybe the reason they are not moving to join you is that they are sick of the constant divisions, backstabbing and lying that goes on  in the COG's. Maybe they are right to see what develops with the fruit of your ministry.  All we need is another Herbert Armstrong disastrous 1972 prophecy where people sell their homes, quit work, stop medical care, etc as they wait to be taken to Petra for 3 1/2 years of bliss.

But just like HWA, the Prophet gets around talking full responsibility for his words in the lives of others.  Herb always said, 'Don't believe me, believe your Bible."  The Prophet Malm has more than one little catch phrase though.  This is that he says in order to take blame from his shoulders in case some COGders are idiots and do something foolish. (we all know THAT would never happen......Ha.)

I do NOT want anyone to be able to say that I deceived them into anything.  It is very important that you be convinced in your own minds as to what you should do.

1)   I have been warning of this conflict in considerable detail since early 2007.

2)   I have presented  doctrine that is solidly based on God’s commandments.

3)   I have said that I am NOT trying to set up any corporate church; and that is the truth.  I have no intention of doing so.

4)   I believe that some will be under pressure to leave their groups early and may have to stand alone or with small groups of family and friends for a short time.

5)   In the near future each person will see the full fruits of these groups as well as myself and when the abomination is set up, it will be decision time.

6)   After the abomination is set up in Rome; God’s two prophets will be empowered and they will tell everyone what to do.  It will then be decision time.  Some will believe the warning having seen the fruits of this effort; while many will refuse the warning and will stay.  That will be the final dividing of the pillars from the Lax and Lukewarm.

So all of this is really a preparation for the potential setting up of the Abomination of Desolation right before the Feast of 2012.  The Prophet is hoping that some courageous minister/s will set up an independent Feast site.  Then the Prophet will step in and proclaim his message.

Remember when Spanky Meredith did such a thing? While he was being defended for a slander case by Leona McNair, he had his minions working behind the scenes to set up a new Church which he stepped into after WCG got stuck paying a huge settlement for Meredith's lying mouth.  But Meredith was a slick cookie in all of this.  By having them set this church corporation up he could then just slide in as if he had nothing to do with it, other than being asked by the members to take over.

I am sincerely hoping that some elders will take a stand and that they will be able to put on a Feast for God’s faithful who come out early.

I also understand that if this war and all these things happen; followed by the setting up of the abomination right before the Feast; that it will be a matter of intense conversation during the Feast and very many will be making up their minds at that time.  The two prophets should be set up after the Feast, if 2012 is to be the year. Many people will then be ready to recognize God’s true two prophets by their scriptural description and by their sound doctrine and fruits.

Then the Prophet gets to utter another favorite COG catch Phrase that is a loaded comment.  Because the Prophet has been doing a mighty work he pictures himself as a John the Baptist who is preparing the way for the Two Witnesses.  Once they come on to the scene the Prophet will step aside and relinquish all prophetic utterances.  So we get to hear once again about "Passing the Baton."  How many times has that damn thing been passed over the last 25 years?  We are hitting close to 600 some splinter cults now of Armstrongism.  All claiming to be the best resurrection of the mother church as possible.

The Prophet's mission boils down to this;

My mission to to wake as many up as possible, to turn as many as possible to a deep study of God’s word.  To turn as many as possible away from idolizing other men and organizations and stir up a zeal for truth and the removal of error.  My mission is to begin to restore what has been lost through the ages and to reveal new understandings based solidly on God’s word.

So once again we see that God is an impotent idiot that could not keep his Word alive for 1,900 years.  Somewhere along the line God lost it till Herbert found it, then it was lost again and now the Prophet Malm has found it.  Perhaps Malm's God needs to buy a Clapper Key Ring so he can find the lost gospel  the next time around.

Yet, the Apostle would be most grateful for someone to start a Feast site for him.  His message is so vitally important that he needs to get the word out the the lost COGgers. SO get busy folks!  Get your feast research gears running and fine a location that will hold several thousand so that the world's final Elijah, John the Baptist, can come and spread his message of hyper-legalistc law keeping to the lost.

I know what my mission is, and it is not to create a corporate church organization.  It is to call out to ALL such groups and to ALL God’s people and to prepare them for the crisis at the close of the age.

I want everyone to understand that if I get involved in setting up Feast sites or organizing groups; it will be a distraction from my work.

The absolute decision time will be after the full fruits of my effort and the various groups become clear and the abomination is set up.

In the meantime if some come out or are forced out of their groups early; I advise them to spend serious time in prayer and study rather than jumping from one organization to another.

If there are those who want to organize a Feast site and run it themselves, I would be most happy to hear from them.

Will Meredith Do The Right Thing?

Harold Camping, has been publicly humiliated twice for predicting the start of the endtimes.   Countless loyal members sold belongings and gave their money to the church.  Children's education and futures were destroyed because of their cultish parents.  Jobs were lost, homes were lost, friendships broken and marriages destroyed.

So where have we heard that all before? 1936, 1938, 1946, 1971, 1972, 1975, 1986, 2014, 2017, 2021.....????  Armstrognism has been one failed prophecy after another.  Herbert Armstrong's teachings, Rod Meredith and Ronnie Wienalnd are currently the three biggest fraudulent end times hucksters out there.  Liars all.

 There is one difference in Camping compared to Meredith and Wienland.  Camping has admitted he was wrong and has resigned.  Meredith admits no wrong because he has never committed a major sin since baptism, so how can he be wrong?  Weinland is, well........Weinland.  A total failure and false prophet..  A lying man  and a lying wife.  The Two Witless Witnesses!  What do the Armstrongites find fascinating about this idiot?


Because he admits his failures he is resigning.  Now the question we need to ask Rod Meredith is, "When can we expect your resignation?"

The Daily Mail reports:

The California radio preacher made a name for himself and Family Radio by claiming the world would end on May 21 - then again on October 21.

Now he has decided to resign, apologising for leading his followers astray and admitting that he finds the whole thing rather ‘embarrassing’.

Mr Camping added that he was wrong to say earlier this year that people who did not believe May 21 was the rapture date were not saved by God.

‘I should not have said that and I apologise for that,’ he said, adding that people should not feel they have been ‘abandoned by God’.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056215/Doomsday-prophet-Harold-Camping-resigns-apologises-failed-predictions-months.html#ixzz1cWO6lrfV

Lying : A Cooperative Act

Think of the Church of God as you hear this.  While it is not directed towards the liars in religion, it very well could be.  The Church of God has been founded upon lies.  From Herbert Armstrong's dealings with the COG7th Day, in his writings in his autobiography and into his literal readings of scriptures. From Rod Meredith, Weinland's and Pack's absurd prophecies to the lying drunkard in Edmond Oklahoma.  Lying has always been part of our culture in the COG's and still is to this day.

Dave Pack: God's Greatest Gift To Humanity

 There is something not quit right about this guy!  It shows in his face and demeanor.

Poor Dave Pack. he gets no respect!  But one can only respect that which is honorable and there is NOTHING honorable about Dave Pack.  Arrogant, pompous, self-serving, liar, false teacher, false apostle, and wanna-be HWA clone, are just a few of the words one could ascibe to Pack. He considers himself to be the worlds foremost Biblical scholar and his web site contains more Biblical information than any other site in the entire world.


UK Apologetics had this to say about Pack:

According to his own website, after attending Ambassador College, David C. Pack,

"...entered the Worldwide Church of God ministry in 1971 and was personally trained by Herbert W. Armstrong. He has established over 50 congregations, authored more than 20 books, written hundreds of booklets and articles, and appeared on The History Channel. As Editor-in-Chief of The Real Truth magazine and voice of The World to Come program, he has reached millions around the globe with the most powerful truths of the Bible, unknown to almost all."

There is appalling arrogance there. If somebody other than Mr Pack wrote these comments he needs to move quickly to remove the arrogant tone. But if - as one suspects - the comments appear with his approval, one can only gasp at a man who would claim that he alone reaches "millions around the globe" with an authentic Bible message which is "unknown to almost all." To be frank, this is typical of the amazing arrogance of the armstrongists. So, according to the reasoning which the "Restored Church of God" encourages us to accept, forget about Aquinas, forget about Luther, forget about Calvin, forget about John Wesley, CH Spurgeon, Martyn Lloyd-Jones and all the rest - until Herbert Armstrong came along we knew virtually nothing about the Bible and now - how wonderful! - Mr Pack is devoutly and selflessly continuing in his path. Herbert, of course, was full of an arrogance and (entirely misplaced) confidence just like that so it is perhaps no shock to find his disciples inheriting the very same trait.
In the very same, Who is David C. Pack? article on his website, Mr Pack (or, one presumably writing with his authority), modestly points out that in order to attend Ambassador College, he declined an invitation to attend Dartmouth College, as well as an appointment to the U.S. Naval Academy, plus numerous other scholarship offers. Hmm. What a very able and clever young man! Continuing in the same line of modesty, the article further tells us that,

"...he has traveled the world, pastored thousands and conducted many public Bible lectures. Mr. Pack has also held a number of leadership positions that have given him a wide range of ministerial and administrative experience."

Yep, while this may all be perfectly accurate, the impression is that this is real 'CV' material of the most embellished kind. Moreover, we are told that Mr Pack's writing is,

"Published on the most extensive biblically based websites in the world, Mr. Pack’s and the Church’s materials address the everyday concerns of the average man and woman..."

Of course, the unpalatable truth (for the armstrongists) is that no "biblically-based website" would allow any material coming from Mr Pack or any armstrongist disciple anywhere near their website unless the purpose should be to critique it, as we are doing right here.

Pam Dewey has this to say on her Field Guide to the Wild World of Religion: Worldwide Church of God Family Tree page:

Although Pack did have some folks follow him out of the GCG, that was a bit surprising for many people.

Here is how the Ambassador Report put it back in 1985 when Pack was still a minister in the WCG:

 

"For a number of years now, no WCG minister's name has  appeared more often in letters written to the Report complaining of  ministerial abuse.  A group of members was even so brazen as to  circulate an open letter detailing his abuses and calling for his  removal.  According to this group, he "intimidated members, used threats  and mind control, was given to emotion outbursts, disfellowshipped  members for trivial faults, prescribed diets while playing M.D., put  down women," etc., etc.

The letter quoted Pack as saying, "Everyone who has challenged me has  either died, been seriously injured or has been eliminated from the  work...God backs me even if I am wrong."

 

Someone who had been an insider in the Global Church of God, before Rod Meredith left to form the Living Church of God, confirmed to me that Pack's reputation was identical within that organization at the time, with numerous complaints from people coming in about his tactics all the time.  

In spite of all that, Pack did gather a following. Over the years since then there have been numerous defections from his ministry, but he has also gained more supporters, both from other WCG splinter groups and from the public via the Internet.

Like Gerald Flurry before him (whose claims Pack mocks) David Pack claims to have inherited Herbert Armstrong’s mantle. He also claims that his organization follows the teachings of Herbert Armstrong more closely than any other WCG splinter group.

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As of an astonishing sermon given in February 2005, he declared himself to be the only Apostle of our time, and insisted that he will be personally "training" those two individuals who will end up being the “Two Witnesses of Revelation.” You can see a detailed overview of that sermon on the Exit and Support Network website.