The David C. Pack Tapes #30 “History Channel”

 

The David C. Pack Tapes #30 

“History Channel”

 

Continuing to dive into the posthumously gifted 16 hours of conversations that William H. Behrer, III, recorded of David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God has been a unique challenge. Due to the length and number of files, I opted to address the low-hanging fruit first by starting with the shortest ones. 

 

There are already four recordings not worth reporting on. My goal is to only present the most noteworthy for the public interest. These recordings are educational by further piecing together the mosaic of who David C. Pack really is when the doors are closed. The unfiltered conversations provide a growing character study of a man who claims he is God’s Apostle and Elijah.

 

This may be a disappointment for some, but there is nothing illegal yet discovered or any “super wowzers” that would tantalize the casual non-COG reader. If anything illegal is revealed, the local authorities will be notified. If Mr. Behrer did not do that already, I doubt I would be able to, either.

 

But, for those who were in RCG and have dealt with David C. Pack, this will give you PTSD flashbacks. I have heard from multiple former ministers that this was how the man still operates privately, which these recordings will provide you with a taste of.

 

 

Two patterns have “more clarity” based on the seven files I have reviewed. These patterns were visible to the men at Headquarters but are now immortalized "on tape" for those who never met him so they can experience them for themselves.

 

1) Dave does not let people finish their thoughts because his words are more important.

 

He verbally steps over people so that they do not get to finish what they are saying. Dave had heard enough, and now, back to what was really important: What he had to say. Keep this in mind when you listen to all the recordings, and you will not be able to "un-hear" it.

 

2) Dave tells the men exactly what they should say or write because he knows how others will think and react in return. He has entire exchanges figured out before they happen.

 

Jim Habboush is not the only Meat Puppet at Headquarters. Throughout the years, all the ministers in The Restored Church of God have been spoon-fed words and given responses to responses because "all-knowing" Dave is a master at dissecting human thought in advance.

 

David C. Pack WANTED these conversations recorded so there would be a precise execution of his will. One man told me a story about how he got “a talking to” because he did NOT record a conversation and did not use the perfect words Dave had graciously provided.

 

The goal was met, but Dave was still unhappy that his exact words were not cloned. Why?

 

If a man is successful at a task and parrots Dave’s words, Dave could claim another victory due to his direct involvement. However, if that man had made his own choices and used his own approach, Dave could not place his flag on that hill. Every success at RCG must fly under Dave's banner to be valid.

 

Every "win" at Headquarters needs to originate with Dave’s superior counsel and not because of the skills and discernment of the men under him.

 

The men will get full credit for a task only when that task fails or is a disappointment. If something went wrong, it was the man’s fault for not following Dave’s instructions effectively. Or he is just incompetent. (Ministerial incompetence will be covered in Tape #34 next time.)

 

 

Tape #30 is a seven-minute discussion of how David C. Pack wants William H. Behrer, III, to respond to the request by Mr. Zwick at The History Channel for Dave’s involvement in “The Nostradamus Effect” program. They want to include him as one in an ensemble of interviews.

#30 – History Channel Meeting with DCP & WHB

This transcript has been cleaned up to make it more intelligible. The stammering half-thoughts and repeated words would drive you nuts if you had to read them.

 

[Start]

 

DCP: Quickly. Bill's gonna respond to Zwick. History Channel. [Unknown] It's outta the question. You literally powerfully validate the crap they're gonna alright?

 

WHB: Right. Exactly.

 

DCP: If you use me as a set-up and you reduce me to that crap.

 

WHB: Yes.

 

DCP: So. Now here's the point. You gotta say that in the letter, and it's not really somewhere you have to be crude, but being very diplomatic, iddn't gonna get it done. This is not a time for extra diplomacy, Bill. It's a time for "just the facts, ma'am," Joe Friday.

 

You gotta tell him who I am and what I do. And just say, "Mr. Pack can't possibly lend his name to the kind of junk that others will utter on these subjects. Nobody understands the scope of what's coming. If you wanna understand the full scope, listen to his entire series or read his book, and you'll realize his voice is worth ten times all of them put together. Now, that's an arrogant statement. The problem is, it's true." And he'll either bite or he won't. If we don't say it and we just bow out, we don't want to be in. You gotta tell him why.

 

WHB: Yes.

 

DCP: And if he feels indicted, get over it. “Well, go ahead without us.” But there's an avenue. Let's see if we can keep this door open and make it a barn door. Not a side door. And if he says, "Okay, here we are." It's gotta be an interview. You could actually tell him, "If you wanna quote large portions of Mr. Pack, large portions, not even interview him, that's fine. But you've gotta let him be a big part of the answer. If you wanna let other people utter junk, Mr. Pack is happy to set up himself as the Anchor Response.

 

Do you understand? Or you can interview him. Or, if you want to, you can play most all of his broadcasts. He will actually give you permission to do that." It depends on which one they want to do. I read through all of them. The introductions to all twelve [Revelation – The World to Come]. I can see why he wants them. And they'd be wonderful. But they set up the truth, not falsehoods.

 

WHB: Right.

 

DCP: And you've gotta Bill, you gotta use words like, "You're gonna hear fiction from the mouths of people who are ignorant of what they're talking about." Here's what you do. You gotta impress him with our knowledge. They don't understand what happens when, as well as where and to whom. They can't understand the speed, sequence, and seriousness of prophecies because they don't understand the Bible interprets itself. That if a prophecy includes a symbol, Revelation is filled with them. Then God has to interpret the symbol. They just interpret it themself.

 

So, you know, at the end of the day, you've gotta write a pretty slam-bang deal here. Or they just have to go on without us. And I will never let myself be part of, you know…If they want me in, I'm in. And I wanna know how much they're going to use or they can't use me. But you've gotta act like we got something they want. "Mr. Pack's the foremost authority on prophecy in the world. He's read in every nation and territory of the world. Uncounted millions and millions of his books are out there. He's in demand. He's very selective." Say it. I mean—boom.

 

We know who prophecy says I am. We know who God says I am. The things I'm gonna have to do before it's over, I better be the top expert. Maybe that's ever lived. I believe. Can I just tell ya? There're are probably three things I do well in life. One is analyze. Two is swim. And the third one's, "I know prophecy." And I know that I know prophecy better than any man who has ever drawn breath on planet earth. I don't count Christ because He's--

 

WHB: No, I understand.

 

DCP: I know more than John or any of the prophets because Daniel, he didn't even understand his own book.

 

WHB: He thinks you're right.

 

DCP: And then, so, who would be in the running? Herbert Armstrong? Think what I've learned that he didn't know.So, you know what, Bill? Let's act like it. If people reject it, that's their problem.

 

WHB: Right. Absolutely.

 

DCP: They won't reject it for long. And soon enough, there'll be a profile. They'll realize, "I could have had that guy,"and then they'll come, and we'll absolutely own any…You know, Joel Osteen's going on Fox News Sunday with his wife. They want, you know, all those Jimmy Carter teeth, Mr. Ed, you know.

 

And at the end of the day, that's where they're gonna come here. If it's not now, that's okay. It's gonna come on our terms. But let's find out if anybody. Listen. You. "If Mr. Pack speaks with authority for a reason, he is an authority, and he knows he's an authority. It doesn't mean he's arrogant, but he's not gonna lend himself, please understand Mr. Zwick, he's not gonna lend himself to guys who are, frankly, gonna embarrass themselves but realize there's nobody at the History Channel who will know that they did." That's the kind of stuff you gotta utter. This is a longer letter.

 

WHB: Yes, sir. No, absolutely.

 

DCP: "So, Mr. Pack is available if you want him to be if you want him to anchor the thing."

 

WHB: Okay.

 

DCP: "He'll give you the highest ratings you've ever thought about. He'll scare your audience. But what's coming's gonna scare your audience. And if you're interested in truly educating your audience, which will give you high ratings, everybody'd be talking about it.

 

WHB: Right. And he was very quick to admit when he looked at the material that this was why he's in contact with you. Because it gripped--

 

DCP: At the beginning?

 

WHB: He's watched through four of them.

 

DCP: Four of them?

 

WHB: He watched through...four of them. Each of the YouTube clips on each of the Horsemen. That--

 

DCP: Part one?

 

WHB: Part one, yes.

 

DCP: All the part ones.

 

WHB: So, he said--

 

DCP: A lot of part ones were the set-up, even for part two and three. But the introduction set up each of the parts.

 

WHB: So he's aware of what you've said and everything.

 

DCP: Well, then, I don't know the guy, and he still wants to listen to--

 

WHB: Oh, no, we're gonna still say it, though. I think we need to be on record. I need to be. You're not saying this, anyway.

 

DCP: Yeah.

 

WHB: I'm saying it.

 

DCP: Yeah.

 

WHB: We need to be on record. You know, "I've spoken to Mr. Pack, and I was able to sit down with me today, and we finally been able to get together since I've been back and went over what you propose and [coughing], and I'll show that.” Yeah, absolutely.

 

[Unknown]

 

[End]

 

 

 

Dave appeared in Episode 9, “Satan’s Army,” which aired on November 10, 2009. None of his demands were met, but the bait was too tempting to pass up. All his tough talk with Mr. Behrer must not have penetrated beyond the walls. Though, if half these ideas made it to Mr. Zwick’s inbox, it gave him the best chuckle of the day.

 

The show is currently listed with a more woke-friendly title, “Nostradamus Effect: Cataclysmic End of Human History," on YouTube.

 

For being the “anchor” of the program, it was an odd editing choice to make the audience wait for 16-minutes before the younger, non-Elijahn Dave blessed them with his apostolic wisdom.

 

For the morbidly curious, this YouTube link will send you to his first appearance: https://youtu.be/0VQ2kuJPFNQ?t=968

 

If you dare watch the broadcast, do not blink or get up to fetch another beer because you could miss all his shining moments.

 

16:20 to 16:32 – 12 seconds

20:43 to 20:54 – 11 seconds

25:40 to 25:49 – 09 seconds

29:44 to 29:58 – 14 seconds

34:54 to 35:11 – 17 seconds

36:56 to 37:04 – 08 seconds

41:08 to 41:12 – 04 seconds

41:25 to 41:33 – 08 seconds

43:01 to 43:12 – 11 seconds

 

That is a grand total of 94 seconds. One minute and thirty-four seconds of Anchor Response Dave in a 45-minute program. How could they have done it without his vital input?

 

Mr. Zwick must have understood that Dave was best taken in tiny doses. Otherwise, if you give him the floor, he will presume your ears off for two and half hours.

 

Despite how they used him on the show, RCG felt proud enough to issue a Press Release that is still on the RCG website.

After listening to the meeting and watching the show, what was presented in that release written by Mr. Behrer is pretty laughable.

 

My favorite line is:

 

Commenting on his interview, Mr. Pack stated, “I bring a clear and different viewpoint to the program, and as a result my comments stand apart from the other voices presented.”

 

“…because I doodie in the toilet, not in my pants.” Okay, I added that last bit, but the point remains valid.

 

The press release quote is not an accurate representation of physical reality. His comments were used as a biblical book report. He provided the Cliff’s Notes for the Book of Revelation. His apostolic authority and keen insight were reduced to "This happens, and this happens, and this happens."

 

He may have been "clear," but his "different viewpoint" did not "stand apart” from the cacophony of other voices. And there is a legitimate reason for that.

 

David C. Pack did not understand the nature of the show, or he would have known the whole series did not focus on the opinions of a single person. The producers shotgunned ten different sources in each episode to present a broader narrative.

 

Coming from a 30-year production background, I could have warned Dave that nobody on earth can promise how much of an interview they will be able to use in the final product. You do not know what the interviewee will say. You do not know what other “experts” will say. There is a balance of who said what best and measuring it against their screen time.

 

If he wanted to be on more, he should have offered to grow his hair long and get lip and eyebrow piercings. But sadly, the role of Satan was already filled. However little he appeared in the show, his Participation Award is still pinned on the fridge at Headquarters.

 

In an ironic twist, had Dave been able to bless The History Channel with his “unique insight” in Episode 9, it would be a source of embarrassment today. Everything he used to teach about the Book of Revelation has been thrown out since.

 

This includes RCG literature and The World to Come programs that Dave wanted Mr. Zwick to watch. These have been scrubbed from all RCG platforms. This should scream to everyone that a David C. Pack teaching does not age well.

 

The Nostradamus Effect was written vaguely so they could be creative with the material without having to cite exact sources. Another ironic twist is that since that program aired, Dave has adopted the same language for when he preaches now. “The religious texts suggest…” “Some believe…” “…maybe…”

 

That kind of phrasing is known as a “proof” in RCG today.

 

 

While the entire seven minutes is a character study, a few quotes are worth repeating. Keep in mind that none of Dave’s preconditions were met. NONE.

 

“You gotta tell him who I am…‘Mr. Pack can't possibly lend his name

to the kind of junk that others will utter on these subjects.’”

 

“…you've gotta write a pretty slam-bang deal here.

Or they just have to go on without us.

And I will never let myself be part of…”

 

The History Channel featured a verified false prophet, false apostle, and biblical fraud on their program about what the devil will do in the Last Days. Mr. Behrer really did tell them who he was.

 

It WAS possible to lend his name because his 94-seconds of junk fit in nicely with the rest of the junk. He got nothing he wanted, but he still did it. Of course, he was going to say “Pretty please” but wanted to play hard-to-get. Getting Dave did not turn out to be that hard.

 

“‘He's in demand. He's very selective.’”

 

David C. Pack has never been in demand by anyone. Not then and not now. Not ever. Nor did he prove himself to be “selective.” Especially during this one and only time he was asked to participate in anything outside of RCG. Maybe after having thirteen more years of obscurity under his belt, he would now be available for a Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce ribbon-cutting ceremony downtown.

 

He would bite on ANYTHING offered to him today. Dr. Timothy D. Ranney is waiting to accept your call at (330) 334-2266. If you accidentally ask to speak with a minister who is not compromised, you will be sent directly to voicemail.

 

“And I know that I know prophecy better than any man

who has ever drawn breath on planet earth.

I don't count Christ…”

 

This is before self-becoming Elijah. And That Prophet. And The Greatest Nonsense Ever Told! Series. How could he measure such a claim way back then when all the current-day proofs were not yet available?

 

Consistently failing for seven years running is a perfect indicator of “I know prophecy better” than a fortune cookie. Wait, I take that back. Fortune cookies laugh at Dave. Even without counting that 2013 indiscretion.

 

“‘…he is an authority, and he knows he's an authority.

It doesn't mean he's arrogant…’”

 

There is something uniquely arrogant about a man telling someone else to tell someone else how not-arrogant that arrogant man is. That is some next-level meta-arrogance.

 

“‘He'll give you the highest ratings you've ever thought about…

everybody'd be talking about it.’”

 

Granted, Dave did not get used in the way he wanted, and The History Channel wisely did not acknowledge the greatness they were sliding past in the hallway. But, if what Dave said was true, The World to Come program on YouTube and worldtocome.org would have been wildly popular. Some episodes gained significant views for a “tiny little church in Ohio,” but even David C. Pack abandoned that flagship format five years ago.

 

Just ask: If the content is not of interest to the creator, why should it be of interest to the audience?

 

Flash forward thirteen years, and Dave is still struggling to gain legitimacy and notoriety. He torpedoed any possibility of biblical legitimacy a long time ago. But, oh boy, is his name getting noticed these days. But not in the way he wants. ;)

 

Thanks to Mr. Behrer, thirteen years after this conversation was recorded…I’m talking about him. And you are reading about him. Please share with your friends so we can give David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God all the “highest ratings” he can stand.

 

Are you paying attention, Raymond?

Marc Cebrian

See: The David C. Pack Tapes. #30 “History Channel”

Dave Pack's Mental Meltdown Continues: God Destroys Thanksgiving

 

God Destroys Thanksgiving

 

Our least-favorite Prophetic Rain Man returned to setting dates yesterday after a four-day hiatus.

 

“Cheshvan. Definitely Cheshvan. Cheshvan 1. Cheshvan 1. Definitely Cheshvan 1.”

 

During "The Greatest Unending Story!" Parts 400 and 401 given on Saturday, October 22, David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God set a new last last last opportunity in 2022 for the return of Jesus Christ.

 

Tuesday, October 25 at 10:56am eastern

 

Dave and Team Faux are out of ideas. When he mentioned Cheshvan a few weeks ago, all former RCG members knew he would be the next date after he failed FOUR TIMES during the Feast of Tabernacles last week.

 

Jesus Christ was going to return on the second day of the Feast. Then that Friday. Then that Saturday. Then the Tuesday after The Last Great Day. If you think he was only theorizing, remember what he said:

 

Part 398 – October 10, 2022

@ 3:56 …now, this is a very dramatic statement, the Kingdom will arrive at dawn in Jerusalem, day two of the Feast.

 

Part 399 – October 15, 2022

@ 09:30 …meaning almost certainly, no one in the world will even get home from the Feast if…

 

Mister Reliable occupied 2 ½ hours of the Headquarters congregation's Sabbath selling them on Cheshvan 1. I used to consider David C. Pack an idiot savant in some ways, but I am now rethinking the savant part.

 

This is the same guy who said the same thing about Sebat, Adar, Adar II, Abib, Iyar, Tammuz 1, Av 1, Elul 1, and Tishrei 1…all just this year. (I am being “generous” by leaving out all the dates within those various months.) But that was then, and this is now.

 

When you pick up on his pattern, even a developmentally-challenged kindergartener could figure out the next one. Oh, Cheshvan 1—shocker.

 

 

With Tuesday’s failure fresh on his mind, Dave took a humble and contrite attitude to start Part 400.

 

@ 00:32 I think we’re now done…I still believe we are correctly watching in season. I think you will also when I’m done.

 

@ 01:01 Now, as we move along through the series, there’ll be two or three times when some toes are gonna get stepped on. But I can't worry about that because it will help the whole church.

 

David C. Pack has said nothing in the past seven months that have "helped" anyone. Not a group of people. Not a single person. His words are hollow and void.

 

@ 05:12 It took a Series lasting seven years to figure it all out.

 

Dave is still blinded because he will not grasp, even by Wednesday morning, that he has NOTHING "figured out." He is destined to wander in endless circles, getting punched in the face by his own words until God sees fit to change the circumstance.

 

@ 05:21 …it has become apparent that we had a very small percentage, single-digit percentage, of the Kingdom of God right…almost everything we taught about, just the thousand years, was wrong. It was wrong.

 

@ 06:08 Now, I'm gonna make a statement, and I'm gonna be incredibly generous. And if you’re offended at me, get over it. ‘Cause I can prove it.

 

Dave cannot prove his shoes are tied. Even if he attempted to, we would have to point out those are sandals, and you cannot tie them. The Kenneth M. Orel “get over it” philosophy is catching on.

 

@ 06:17 I'm gonna say we had 5% of prophecy right. But, my two assistants will tell you we had under 1%, and I'm being generous because I doubt we had more than 1% of prophecy right. But, I’m gonna be generous and say 5%...

 

Wow, Dave is being generous, but those two young “ministers” are pessimistic. How can we not trust the judgment of the Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy? Their vast experience and proven biblical accuracy have been unprecedented and must be recognized.

 

The current thinking is that when prophecy fails, and you run out of ideas, just say the whole system was rigged. Tear it all down so you can come out on top.

 

@ 07:24 So, we taught the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and brethren...if this offends people, I'm sorry. We understood almost none of it. Never mind, many other things we learned in our journey to unlock a third of the Bible.

 

The Father. Jesus. The Gospel. How many more pillars does Samson have to topple before this vile temple comes down?

 

Dave is bitter that the brethren do not appreciate the blessing of seven years of his brilliant ramblings. He spends a lot of time boring the audience with imaginary math built on imaginary ideas to sell them how special he is. What a pathetic, desperate man whining like a little girl because you do not want to eat the mud pie made in the backyard.

 

Dave wants you to eat his mud pie and gets pissy if you turn your nose away.

 

@ 10:32 One man in the Laodicean age working alone for over 15,000 hours moved at a speed 260 times faster than the previous century, where thousands of ministers had no curiosity to question anything that was essentially all wrong. Now, should I apologize for that? Some would wish I would.

 

Some would wish you just shut up.

 

David C. Pack is not known for his heartfelt apologies. He tells members of the audience they will see their dead child “soon,” but nothing happens. And no apology. The man cares not for the sheep. You feed him. He does not feed you.

 

The boohoo continues.

 

@ 11:15 …while being attacked. While getting up and giving sermons where I was nearly dead. I almost went blind in this Series. Most of you don’t know it because of a long history with staphylococcus…but for some people, "It's just not fast enough Mr. Pack.”

 

What a distorted mind. That is not a complaint by anyone. Speed is not the issue. Accuracy is the issue. Seven years of continual failure for David C. Pack to deliver on even one thing is the issue. Pulling people aside privately to tell them, "You are going to see your dead mother next week," and then not apologize is the issue. A broken church being taught false doctrine is the issue.

 

@ 11:43 “…I’m not settled like I was when I was blissfully, completely ignorant.” That’s their view.

 

That is no one’s view. That is Dave’s view of their view. Much like in his conversation with Mr. Behrer when he knew exactly what “Jim” would think and say. Pure fantasy is built on a foundation of ignorant assumptions.

 

David C. Pack is deteriorating before our eyes. And that process is accelerating. Perhaps 260 times faster than the average kook.

 

@ 11:56 Some knew better than I did what the answer should be as we were learning certain things. When for ninety-plus years, no one saw anything. Or, we could say everyone saw nothing.

 

But I see, says the blind man.

 

If there was ever a way to invalidate the apostleship and ministry of Herbert W. Armstrong of The Worldwide Church of God, boy, David C. Pack found it. I have no skin in the game regarding what HWA was or was not, but since Dave built RCG on HWA’s teachings, how does this not invalidate all the books and booklets on the rcg.org website today?

 

Edward L. Winkfield must have been weeping in his chair, wondering how in the world they are going to fix all that literature. He can blow off that idea until Tuesday afternoon when it gets real again.

 

 

@ 12:24 But, it's been a test for me and, to a small-uh degree, the church. Who had to suffer the plague of this slow-poke who could only move hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times the speed of anybody else. “And I needed him to move thousands of times. I needed him to stand up as though he got an oracle from Gabriel lay it all out.” So, I’ll say it was, to a small degree, it was tough for the church because it was a process.

 

I cannot remember ever hearing Dave so bitchy. “The Greatest Unending Story!” has been a trial and a test, but more for Dave than any of you moaners and groaners sitting in the audience. His suffering has been harder than yours. I am surprised he did not declare how he has suffered more than anyone who has ever lived. Maybe Jesus Christ was also expecting that one.

 

@ 18:26 Now, the Kingdom not arriving for one week on the 24^th [of Tishrei] when I spoke a week ago at the Feast, brought what I call "Hard Reality Demanding Really Hard Thinking."

 

Apparently not. Really Hard Thinking would help him realize God is not using him to teach any of this. He is a biblical fraud and has been for many years. That is the Hard Reality Dave cannot face.

 

@ 23:04 Some brethren wouldn’t wait. Hundreds of times of speed wasn’t fast enough.

 

More bitching. It is not about the speed but the accuracy. There used to be the term "doctrinal precision," but that floated away into the ether long ago.

 

@ 23:09 [Thomas Edison] also said, “Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is to try just one more time.” So, that’s what I did. Let’s do this.

 

Dennis Diehl nailed it. Dave really does think that each failure is another step closer to being right. Maybe that worked with inventing the light bulb, but Bible prophecy does not function the same way. The scriptures do not offer an all-you-can-eat attempt at declaring the date for the arrival of the Kingdom of God. It either comes the first time you declare it, or you never declare it again.

 

@ 34:40 I thought it was Tammuz. Turns out, it couldn’t be Tammuz. Tammuz had 29 days. You need 30 days. But I thought it was Tammuz…

 

We remember it well.

 

Part 379 – June 25, 2022

@ 07:13 It is not possible. Write it in your notes. It is not possible that "the month" the Bible talks about is anything other than the fourth month and Tammuz…

@ 18:34 I believe that [Tammuz 1] no less certainly than I believe the seventh day is the Sabbath.

 

Part 378 – June 15, 2022

@ 37:30 I won’t be telling you we’re gonna wait a month. That’s impossible. You could throw my own words back up against me, if you will.

 

What a tease you are, Dave. I throw your own words back up against you all the time, but somehow that makes me “more wicked almost than the devil.”

 

Some folks must have been closing their briefcases and reaching for the umbrella because Dave finally gave a nod to the Worldwiders.

 

@ 51:58 And the answer is: The church was utterly wrong. But, I don't criticize Mr. Armstrong, and don't say I do. Without that man, I'm not up here. I don't know the truth, and I'm not headed for salvation. I didn't see it, either. So, if I throw stones at him, I better be against a rubber wall, and they bounce back.

 

See, Old Timers. No reason to walk away from RCG. Mr. Armstrong is still shiny and on the shelf, for Dave to pull down and show you when it suits him. Stay in your seats. Stay…stay…

 

 

Dave talks about his encounter with “a very confused man” at the Feast and makes it a teaching moment.

 

@ 56:50 Brethren, it’s dangerous if God has not designated you to teach truth to the church…you get yourself in potentially-lethal hot water when you play games.

 

@ 58:15 This man I was talking to said, “It says, [in Revelation 9:6] ‘in those days shall men seek death and shall not find it…’ You know how he read this? Because the man cannot read. He literally can't read, and I was trying to tell him that. He believed that was saying that those scorpions are active on the earth for five months. Not they were paralyzed for five months.

 

But he literally read it to you! He "literally" did. Someone add a dictionary to Dave's Xmas list.

 

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Dear “very confused man at the Feast” – If you are reading this article, please reach out at exrcgwebsite@gmail.com. I would love to get your side of the story. I have witnessed the distorted perception of David C. Pack. Do not take it personally. It happens a lot. How it all really went down is of great interest.

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The lesson here: Do not ask Pastor General David C. Pack ANY Bible questions even when you have the opportunity to do so. The man Dave is chastising in front of the entire church learned the hard way.

 

I stopped asking questions via Church Administration while I was at Headquarters when I was reprimanded by Bradford G. Schleifer and Jeffrey R. Ambrose because of “the wording” of my question. Not because it was a stupid question but because Dave flew off the handle when he read an “accusatory tone" inside my question. I presented it as "the Bible says this, BUT Mr. Pack said that," implying Dave was NOT preaching what the Bible says. Funny to look back now, but that was not my intent in those days.

 

It was the last time I submitted a question to the RCG ministry at Headquarters. So, “very confused man at the Feast,” I feel you, dude.

 

The irony is that David C. Pack has the most astonishing piss-poor reading comprehension skills of any human being I have ever heard. He had no qualms teaching the man openly about his weaknesses while Dave continued to hide his own. Interesting.

 

@ 59:18 People on their own get into bizarre ideas. Sometimes simply because they actually cannot read.

 

Rubber wall. Stone thrown. Rebound. What a softball, Dave. This is a perfect illustration of where you are today.

 

 

Here is the quote where he set the date. Dennis, take note for the Alumni page.

 

@ 1:02:30 …but only if it’s Cheshvan starting Tuesday. And if you touch the day, you touch the arrival of Cheshvan…That’s 10:56 Tuesday morning, our time. Where ever in the world you are, you have to know that.

 

If you want a real example of a Dave Pack “proof” that is just a presumption, feast upon this one.

 

@ 1:20:05 Do you realize if the Day of the Lord comes one month after this Tuesday, God comes on what would be Thanksgiving? And destroys Thanksgiving. Which is kind of interesting. On a nation that is utterly ungrateful but keeps Thanksgiving so they can indulge themselves and watch football and get drunk.

 

Great. Something else for RCGers to feel guilty about.

 

Since when is watching football wrong? The next time Brad, Ed, Ryan, Jaco, or Carl is over at Dave’s house watching the Browns while drinking a Beck’s, they should ask Dave if they are sinning. Have your camera ready because I want that expression framed.

 

Do not panic. Everyone will enjoy a typical Thanksgiving next month without Red and Black Horses crashing through the windows.

 

Our brothers to the north are laughing because the Canadian Thanksgiving was two weeks ago. This is the first time in my life that I have ever wanted to be Canadian. Hi, Pete.

 

Dave forgot to condemn the annual Twilight Zone marathon that was always a personal favorite growing up. The Headquarters congregation must feel like they have been living an endless Twilight Zone episode. Wishing this prophetic jack-in-the-box into the cornfield does not appear to be working.

 

@ 1:20:49 It’s not a day to be thankful. Most families don’t even ask a blessing.

 

Unless Dave is actually Santa Claus, who knows who is naughty and nice, appearing inside every home at supper time across the entire United States, he has no idea what he is talking about.

 

This is another example of “Dave thinks it, therefore it is real.” He treats God the same way.

 

For years, my parents, who do not go to church, had a blessing over the meal and went around the table as each family member shared what they were thankful for. I felt uncomfortable as a teen, but I appreciate that tradition now.

 

David C. Pack knows squat.

 

 

@ 1:21:01 If you wait one month, guess when God would build the Great Kingdom one month later. Christmas. Anybody think God is gonna build the Great Kingdom on Christmas? I don’t think so.

 

Um. Well. You did.

 

Part 217 – November 11, 2019

@ 1:30:44 What if it’s possible with a seven-year Kingdom… that ends around Christmas, it starts around Christmas, or maybe even before Christmas? Sort of like maybe the Series is coming to an end at exactly when God always intended it…

 

Part 220 – December 5, 2019

@ 57:45 …it makes absolutely plain the Second Kingdom…comes to an end a little before Christmas. It’s just a fact!

 

Part 222 – December 9, 2019

@ 33:24 God seemed to have timed this out to land at a certain Christmas season…

 

Part 224 – December 12, 2019

@ 44:11 But if you don't know a Christmas season is in play, you cannot read it any other way, and I defy you to say it was wrong.

 

It is wrong. Jesus Christ arriving at Christmas time is wrong. David C. Pack, you are wrong. You will always be wrong. See, somebody followed your instruction, but that will be perceived as an attack.

 

Dave hammered throughout the message how he is the victim in all of this, surrounded by an ungrateful church. The Pity Party rolled on for so long even the Goth kids were bummed out.

 

@ 1:23:31 But, let’s talk about gratitude. I might step on a few toes, but I want to because I am enormously grateful to God…I had to go seven years or had to re-write all the literature…or lost my kids…grandchildren. It’s just part of the way it is…If I am Elijah, I sure fit the qualification. I’m dishonored by my house and kin...I don’t have any problem with what I had to go through.

 

If Dave did not “have any problem” with it, he would not mention it. He has a bad habit of broadcasting his insecurities to the whole church, unaware he is doing it. He projects internal criticisms as coming from external sources. Part 400 is a landmark example of this.

 

Being dishonored for being a dick is not the same as being dishonored for Christ’s or the gospel’s sake. False prophets earn dishonor for being false prophets. False apostles earn dishonor for being false apostles. Lousy fathers earn dishonor for being lousy fathers.

 

 

As a gentle way to introduce the smackdown he is about to give all the employees at The Restored Church of God Headquarters, Dave reminds everyone how hard he works.

 

@ 1:28:05 God says, “Six days shall you labor.” That’s a command. That’s why I work all six days. Mr. Armstrong did, and I work all six days. And if any of you know anything about me, you know I do. Only, now that's not really true. I work all day on the Sabbath, too, because I’m a Levite.

 

Come on, Dave, even God rested on the seventh day.

 

David C. Pack, the righteous man of God! He toils for seven days and, yet, produces nothing. The ineffective apostle, unlike Vitacost, cannot deliver on Tuesday.

 

The big corporations could learn a lot from the team-building synergy Dave generates for his staff in front of the whole church. Behold! The loving shepherd of God feeding His sheep.

Dave should give a TEDx Talk on how to inspire employees. What an edifying and uplifting message. The good news, indeed.

 

The intended takeaway is lost on me. Is the RCG staff supposed to be grateful that things could be much worse if David C. Pack had his way? I remember throughout the years, he would remark that if he had legal control, the staff WOULD work six full days, which meant nobody would have an extra day to do laundry, mow the grass, or take their kids to the park. Rejoice, brethren.

 

The more this guy speaks, the more we should all pray that David C. Pack is not a man to whom God gives real authority, now or ever. Some would even choose the Lake of Fire over living under his heavy hand. The guy would be insufferable during the Millennium if he were ever proven right. A thousand years of his crowing is a sentence worse than death.

 

@ 1:32:04 How grateful are we for this [Series]?

 

Grateful for the seven-year David C. Pack Meandering Failathon? Ha!

 

@ 1:32:11 We have people who will wait for Tuesday, and I know what some will do. They’ll have a “wait and see” attitude. They’re not ready. They’re not ready.

 

They’re not ready? But…they’re “settled,” right? During Part 398, you said, "If you're at the Feast of Tabernacles, you made it!" Are you taking that back? They were ready twelve days ago, but not now? How does that work? Why is their salvation status such a fickle process?

 

Seven years of your prophetic fraud has cultivated that mindset, Dave. If anyone does NOT have a “wait and see” attitude at this point inside The Restored Church of God, they are probably so broken by corrupt teachings that they will not leave RCG until it burns to the ground around them. And even then, they might choose to burn up with it.

 

The folks at Headquarters broke for a meal, knowing they would have to fight to keep it down during the next Part.

 

Due to both messages being so fecal-rich, Part 401 will be covered in the next article.

 

Marc Cebrian

See: God Destroys Thanksgiving

Dave Pack Gaslights Himself

David C. Pack Gaslights Himself

 

David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God fulfilled my words at the end of the article written on August 30. He keeps going out of his way to make this ole non-prophet/non-psychic appear to be a real prophet/psychic. Please stop asking me to read your palm. (Unless you are a single lady between 40-55 who lives within 50 miles of Wadsworth, Ohio.)

 

Those poor folks at Headquarters had to endure yet another extra-long Sabbath on September 3 because “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 391)” filled one ear and then fell out the other.

 

The highlights for you “skimmers” are thus:

 

·      Elul 15 is back in the spotlight as the day RCG members receive salvation.

·      The 1335 did not actually begin on Av 15 but will on Elul 15, which is next Sunday.

·      Dave is telling everyone the day while not telling everyone the day.

 

That is about it. You may now return to watching The Office outtakes videos in your feed.

 

 

David C. Pack has an awful habit of speaking words that have no meaning. They mean nothing to him, and they should mean nothing to you. Those words have no meaning because he is a man who says one thing but does another. The Mystery of God is ended. The Series is over. Daniel has been unsealed. We’re right on track. It is not my job to say the day. On God’s authority, I am right.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word.

 

The “ministers” at Headquarters know it. The brethren in the field know it. Readers of these articles know it. If you hear what he says now and remember what he said before, the truth becomes self-evident.

 

He is a sad, angry man living in a time loop of his own torment. The gravitational pull sucks those in close proximity into his delusional vortex. Misery loves company, and the more miserable people that surround David C. Pack, the more the illusion seems real.

 

Unlike a singularity, the people at Headquarters can escape the pull of his blackness. The enablers on the third floor have all endured the brunt of the bitter viciousness. Each man who leaves the RCG ministry has a horror story to tell. After Brad, Ed, Jaco, Ken, Ryan, Tim, Carl, Frank, Salasi, Jim, or Andrew leave, he will tell you ALL about it.

 

@ 00:04 Well, as I always start these days, here we are again. And all is well. I’m well aware that we’re 22-days from Trumpets. And I will just say this may be the most riveting series of, we’ll call them revelations…

 

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.

 

@ 00:39 And it will not be a long message.

 

Part 391 was 93 minutes long. If you are Gerald Waterhouse, an hour and a half is “not long.”

 

@ 00:44 I made the single greatest prophetic discovery of my life* and you've heard nothing about it, really. And it was discovered yesterday. I would just say God simply showed it to me*.

 

*Repeated ad nauseam since 2015. These statements hold no value and should be regarded as such.

 

@ 01:01 I took a walk…with a group of ministers and walked through a series of points, and they found it almost explosively interesting, as I did.

 

Not as explosively interesting as paying over a half-million dollars of God’s money for a trimmed lawn.

 

@ 18:29 Trumpets is right here. It’s inarguable…That cannot change. It does not change. Trust me, when we’re done, we’re right on track.

 

Dave is still selling that Trumpets is the Day of the Lord. He will cleave to that one until it gets fat and forgets to keep the fridge stocked with Beck’s.

 

@ 29:53 …and we’re gonna find we’re right on time in a way we could’ve never guessed.

 

More gaslighting of the brethren. Repetition creates reality. RCG has been “right on time” since 2013.

 

“Prophetic math” is what now seems to be keeping his shorts so tight. If you take a shot every time he says “math,” the paramedics would need to be called before this “not a long” message is over.

 

@ 42:00 We’re gonna bring prophecy and history and math together. 

 

Drink. At this point in the message, even Dave must have had a good buzz-on because he addresses his own teaching as if someone else on the planet came up with it.

 

@ 44:55 So the idea, and I wanna just say it here formally and officially…the idea that this Kingdom is seven years and two months is dead! It’s wrong…God couldn't let me see it, or it woulda created a problem. But I want you to understand it's dead; it's over. It blows up Trumpets. It blows up all kinds of things going forward.

 

 

David C. Pack and the “ministers” at Headquarters need your help. There has been an impostor claiming to speak with God’s authority who has been preaching heresy to the people of The Restored Church of God. This “angel of light” has been teaching from the Bible the things that are not so.

 

If you can identify this man and report him immediately, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Here are the things I caught in this 2-minute clip from Part 382.

 

·      The members of RCG did not have “the picture.”

·      It was not a “short” message. The length was 78 minutes. Déjà vu.

·      It was not eye-opening.

·      All the ministers were wrong about being "right on time" back then.

·      The Day of the Lord was not on July 28 of 2022.

·      The Second Kingdom of God is not 7 years and 2 months long.

·      The Kingdom to Israel is not “the last hour.”

·      It IS possible to change the 1335 from the middle of Tammuz. (And Av).

·      “Nothing has changed” has changed to “A lot has changed.”

·      Additional, fascinating proofs solidified worthlessness.

·      The table layout for the Kingdom is entirely wrong.

 

In Part 391, the Cooking Table is now in its heh heh heh final form. Print it out and frame it because, heh heh heh it will not change. Heh heh heh. Sorry, I cannot even write that without laughing.

 

 

 

@ 45:30 This is a seven-year Kingdom, and it has to start this Trumpets for a lotta reasons. Partly because this mystery's being explained right now. We gonna wait another year?

 

Please tell me why a wicked antichrist serpent takes more care with the words of David C. Pack than David C. Pack. Consider these quotes from the past as cerebral prophylactics. This is the kind of stuff that makes Dennis giddy.

 

Part 10 – January 9, 2016

@ 1:50:46 If you knew about the First Dominion a couple years ago, how does ‘shortly, quickly, soon, near, fast, hasty, hit the throttle’ apply? God, quite literally, could not tell us, or He would make Himself a liar. And He would’ve confused us and misled us, believing we were on a short clock when we were not.

 

Part 170 – April 10, 2019

@ 1:11:18 A prophecy was fulfilled last night…I tell you, on God's authority, it happened.

 

Part 186 – June 20, 2019

@ 1:21:35 Nobody can possibly think there’s another year of laying out details like this.

 

Part 200 – August 27, 2019

@ 2:26:59 And you know what? If you don't know these things, the Mystery of God is not ended. And that’s why I said it would end tonight.

 

Part 211 – October 24, 2019

@ 32:42 This is now easy to understand. Everything's so simple now. Boy, oh boy, oh boy, is the whole picture simple! God didn't want this message given until the very end, or prophecy would have been broken. His word would have been broken.

 

Part 241 – March 27, 2020

@ 1:16:11 Now, a loving God didn’t let us understand what we were into, or we'd have really we understood we got to wait another whole year…

 

Part 257 – July 18, 2020

@ 52:46 This is all just very, very clear now and it’s not gonna move.

 

You cannot trust David C. Pack when he tells you anything, no matter how large the biblical Jenga stacks up. No matter how loud he gets or how much he pounds on the table, just smile and nod, “Sure, Dave. Sure. All the ministers agree? Sure they do, Dave, sure.”

 

 

The 70-Weeks Prophecy of Daniel 9 is in play. Big time. He "proves" that each of the 69 prophetic weeks all began on Elul 15, so the last one will start on Elul 15—September 11, 2022. That is this coming Sunday for all you heathens.

 

The countdown clock is already running on the website.

 

@ 50:30 …if it follows the pattern 69 times before on Elul 15, and that's a week away. A little less than a week away…So you outta at least sit there and say, “Oh, we might be on time. We might be right on time more than we ever knew.

                                           

@ 55:51 Now, I’m gonna give you some really eye-opening things here.

 

What is eye-opening is how he contorts “half” in the Bible. By tying Elul 15 and the 1335 together, Dave redefines what “half” means so he can squeeze through another narrow prophetic pipe of logic.

 

I am sure no one who ever read that the Mount of Olives would be cleaved thought the ground would be spliced into a perfect, atomic half. Dave strains to make half not mean half by removing it from numbers and then applying it back to numbers after he perverts it.

 

Cutting a Snickers in half is the same as cutting 1290 days in half, doncha know? The Hebrew language becomes a Swiss-Army knife of possibilities when understanding the Bible in Packworld.

 

Rest assured, when Dave needs "half" to mean "exactly, dead-bang down the middle," according to God, he will do it. But not today.

 

Today he dons a top hat and a red carnation to perform a mathematical magic trick. Two months? What two months? A seven-year kingdom. The 1335 begins on Elul 15. Salvation arrives on Elul 15. Fast forward.

 

@ 1:13:52 There’s no way the [70^th] week would start any other day [Elul 15]. If God’s gonna do it on another day, we could never know that. And I’m just gonna say that to you. I can’t know that.

 

Bookmark that quote for future use.

 

One small detail I point out from time to time is that when I left RCG in March of 2021, we were "in the midst of the 1335," and I knew knew knew that was false. Then he said it started again back during Tammuz. No, wait…in Av. I constantly repeat a big-fat nope.

 

Dave enjoys the hobby of making me right. If I can be a bit personal here, David C. Pack builds up my confidence more than any hot chick I have ever nailed. Sorry, Shawn.

 

@ 1:24:53 I'm not lazy. I worked as hard as I could. I go to bed 12-1-1:30 every single night. I'm almost never in bed before 12, and I'm working on all just Greek, Hebrew, lists, piles, papers all over the place.

 

Ah! Dave is not getting enough sleep! Perhaps brethren can research the effects of a 73-year-old man with long-term sleep deprivation to send into Headquarters. That would explain a lot. I cannot help but think, “Poor Mrs. Pack.”

 

I remember a 3-part sermon Dave gave about angels and demons. He mentioned that people influenced by dark spirits worked late at night and did not get enough sleep. I am not drawing a direct parallel but just pointing out an interesting tidbit.

 

 

These flashbacks are vital for framing the rest of the message for those just joining in.

 

Part 390 – August 27, 2022

@ 43:35 I’m not commissioned to give you the day. I’m commissioned to tell you it’s close.

 

Part 389 – August 24, 2022

@ 52:45 …it looks like he didn’t say the date the first time either, and I won’t do it. And I’m sorry that I ever did.

 

@ 53:47 But it’s not my job to say it is this year….it has to be the end of the series. No possible way to go on. There’s no time.

 

Back to today.

 

Earlier in the message, Dave planted the seed that he would gaslight himself.

 

@ 1:11:56 Now I realize, “Mr. Pack, you’re telling us the day!”

 

Even Dave is aware of the obvious. This is actually a massive step for him developmentally.

 

@ 1:26:18 This is apparently the final foretelling of the Mystery of God. I’m not here setting a date. You might be, “Ah, Mr. Pack, come on.” I’m presenting the facts. And I’m presenting God’s pattern. And I am not doing more than that…There are a lot of things that don’t work on another year. They just don’t.

 

This is the same coward's way out utilized for months, each time he is caught with his hand in the prophetic cookie jar with chocolate all over his face and crumbs on his shirt.

 

“Am I telling or foretelling?”   “I am not Elijah the Prophet, but a type of John the Baptist.”   “Elijah is a title”   “It is not my job to say the day.”    “It is not my job to say the year. My job is to say it is soon.”

 

What is the difference, Dave?

 

@ 1:27:34 So, I I I I I present to you the facts. The dates. History. Math. Scriptures. I will not name a date.

 

David C. Pack is gaslighting himself. He has been building a case for Elul 15 for about 30 minutes straight.

 

This “I will not name the date” tomfoolery is implausible deniability.

 

It is all about Elul 15. This year. Next Sunday. But Dave is not telling anyone the day or the year.

 

David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.

 

This is Dave moonwalking. Cabbage Patching. He is Electric Sliding all in yo bizness.

 

Even a child is known by his doings, and "somebody" is really hankerin' for a spankin'.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word.

 

He has his hands in your pocket and says, looking you in the eyes, “I’m not stealing from you.” David C. Pack has his hand in our pocket while telling us he does not. Telling himself he is not doing exactly what he is doing.

 

Okay, I am man enough to admit it kinda tickles as he digs for change. But it still is not right.

 

It is like he is your big brother taking your hand and smacking you in the face while repeating, “Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself?”

 

David C. Pack is hitting the members of RCG in the face with their own hands, “I’m not setting a date. I’m not setting a date. I’m not setting a date.”

 

Does this make him medical-grade delusional, or is he just a liar? The enablers at Headquarters lie to themselves all the time, and we can see where they get it from.

 

A sober way to frame all of this is simple: biblical fraud.

 

Elul 15 is less than a week away. This could be quite the cocktail party topic for the RCG Open House this Thursday for the Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce.

 

“You’re a false prophet and not a man of your word, Mr. Pack."

“I’m sorry. That you feel that way. I am deeply sorry. That I got caught.”

 

He is not "sorry" because he keeps doing it. The members of The Restored Church of God need to leave that toxic, abusive relationship. Move back in with your mother if you have to, but just get out.

Marc Cebrian

See: David C. Pack Gaslights Himself