Malm and Thiel: "Mine is Bigger Than Yours!"

What can I say?

Bob Thiel recently posted that he had done a much greater work of warning then I;  and perhaps that’s true; I will not debate numbers etc with him.  The real issue is not numbers but quality of content.

While Bob has been presenting falsehood and error I have been presenting the truth;  The King of the South will not be any Islamic alliance which will join with Europe and destroy America before they have a falling out.  That is completely false as I have proved many times and in many ways. How Satan Will Ensnare The Lukewarm Saints

New COG Splinter Cult: Church of God Speaking to the Remnant

        -E.W.King

            “Christian Reality....the spin stops here!” 

Here is a crazy Armstrongite splinter cult I have not heard of.  It is run by E. W. King. King is spokesman for the Church of God Speaking To The Remnant splinter cult.  Below are just a few of the silly things King has written.  All revealed knowledge learned at the feet of Herbert W Armstrong.

There is also the false idea of so called “Christian Psychology”. Did Jesus teach this? I think not. There is a place for medical doctors but not a place for fake philosophy and so called, “Psycho-therapy”. Many have left the true teachings of the Church of God to follow the 500 plus psychotherapeutic myths. Can true Christian teachers [counselors] help people who need direction in life? Absolutely! If these people who need help have some chemical imbalance then science can indeed help. But to dismiss God's perfect moral law and the influence of the true Holy Spirit is blasphemy!

Kings recipe for healing lays in following Herbert W Armstrong and keeping the law.

Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong stated: “Education in the civilized world today has become entirely materialistic. Education has become a combination of the agnosticism of evolution, the politics and economics of Karl Marx and the morals and social patterns of Sigmund Freud. Higher education remains in utter ignorance of the mystery of mankind and of human civilization.” [from Mystery of the Ages, ch.3 “The Mystery of man”]

I have hope that many who have been confused by false teachers will begin to listen to God. I would like to help point you to God's word. Only in God's word will you find true answers. Mr. E.W.King gives warning of a Dangerous False Teaching

In another article Kings rails against cults...First of all, he wants you to know that those that have left Armstrong ism were actually kicked out for being grievous sinners.  It is people like you and me that killed all the Apostles and Jesus because we criticize Armstrongism.

Sadly, many who know anything about the true “Worldwide Church of God” have gotten their information off of websites or out of books by people who no longer even believe in God. Many of these misfits were told to leave the Church because they abused their wife, practiced homosexuality, taught false doctrine, etc. After refusing to admit their sins and become clean in God's eyes, they instead chose the path of sin and began to make false accusations against the true Church. Anger consumes them! “For their heart studieth destruction, and their lips talk of mischief.” [Proverbs 24:2]

Most of the hateful information found on these websites and books is arrogant jargon. They make claims that all true members of the Church are “evil”, “confused”, “lost”, etc. The fact is, these people should be testing all claims based on what the Bible says, not what any man says. I challenge all people who visit this website and read my articles to test it all against the Word of God. The fact is, these people just do not want to live the Christian life. Thats okay but why so much anger against the truth? This should not surprise us. These types killed almost all the apostles and hung Jesus from a stake. Making a clean break from false worship may not be very fun. Jesus warned that one's relatives may oppose such a course. But if we are called of God this should make no difference in our decision. [Matthew 10:32-37] If we truly love God we will run to Him. We will throw away all of our false doctrines and cherish the TRUTH!

It is true that after the first latter day apostle's death many broke away from the true Worldwide Church of God and started cults. Many of these groups have leaders who use scare tactics, power tactics and even pay people to help them control others. This also should not surprise the true Christian. The apostle Paul from the Bible warned: “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” [Acts 20:29,30] Paul must have only understood ONE TRUTH if he was warning others not to follow a “false truth”. 

According to King, all 600 some of these splinter groups are cults, but the Church of God Speaking to the Remnant is not. As usual it is the only group preaching the restored truth.

Then King goes on and makes this incredibly absurd comment:

Many so called “christian” teachers go by titles such as “prophet” and or “apostle” but of course they do not meet the Biblical test.  How can we expose a cult? By seeing if what the group claims to be true agrees with the Bible. Let us look at one of the most powerful cults that all so called “protestant” groups are connected with. If I told you that I belonged to a church that used to kill people. But not just kill people, this church would cut babies out of their mothers wombs, they would burn people alive very slowly. They would stick pulls up peoples back end as far as it would go. And then I told you: “But my church doesn't do that anymore. Now we just pray to a lady named Mary and some other dudes whom we have pictures and statues of. Oh, we also have the main guy of our church who stands in the place of Jesus Christ [Vicar of Christ]. He lives in a big fancy castle where only he and other special men can go. There are no women allowed.”

King goes on to write:

Now if I told you something this shocking would you still want to join my church? Hhhmm This is very interesting. The church which I just described is the Roman Catholic church. Many people I know who are members of this sick fallen apostate Harlot continue to tell me that the Church of God is a cult. Hhhhmmm The Church of God has never killed people. The Church of God doesn't worship idols or a man. The Church of God follows the Bible.

I have news for King, people HAVE died because of Armstrongism.  They have died because they were not allowed to get medical treatment.  They have died from shootings. They have died from suicides because people found no hope left after being immersed in Armstrongite thought.  Thousands HAVE died because of the teachings of the Church.  That is a documented FACT!

King then moves on to more characteristics of cults:

Another aspect of cults is the fact that they use fear to try and control their people. Now we must remember that there is such a thing as “healthy fear”. We should be afraid of those trying to hurt us and then follow what God's word says to stay protected. Now Jesus only had 12 apostles and He told them that He was the Messiah, the King of the coming Kingdom, He told them that He was GOD in the flesh, He warned them about the coming destruction of this planet. He warned them about evil spirits and “seducers of men”. Jesus did say a lot of astonishing things and made a lot of astonishing claims. There is no doubt about this. During the Christian Pentecost mentioned in the book of Acts only 120 disciples made up the first church. Remember, the true “flock” of Christ has always been small. My point is, from a true Biblical perspective it is okay to warn people about the Great Tribulation. It is okay to warn people about “false doctrine” and “false teachers”. As a matter of fact, true Christians are commanded to do such things.

For those who have the true Gospel be prepared for hard times! We [true Christians] have the TRUTH, not “a truth”. When we fail sometimes to live up to the truth we find many around us begin to swarm in like flies to begin the “breaking down” process. These are nothing but demonic attacks to try and discourage you and make you turn from God's truth. Just because a Christian fails sometimes to live a perfect life it does not change the fact that Saturday is Sabbath, Jesus is Lord, and His one true church is the one and only Worldwide Church of God.

Sadly, many who do not want the true Christian message will continue to call God and His ONE TRUE CHURCH, the church Jesus built, a cult.

Exposing Christian Cults

 I find it hard to believe that there are still nutjobs out there that think the Worldwide Church of God STILL is a "True" church!  Give it a rest!  It should be obvious by now that it NEVER was.

These are the qualifications that are required for his followers:

How this ministry works and operates is outlined in the following:

1-Those who have studied Mr. E.W.King’s messages and believe what they say to be true and have been members of the original Worldwide Church of God or who have come out of any one of the false splinter or offshoot groups may join and participate in this ministry.

2-Those who have come out of false denominations or are coming into the truth for the first time may also join and participate.

3-Our members meet in their personal homes to keep the Sabbath. They receive Mr. E.W.King’s CD messages and Bible studies. These should be used in Bible study. Members also get an occasional news letter.

4-All home churches must operate under true Church Government. People who feel called to a specific office may operate under that office. Speaker Elders are given authority to baptize members and lay hands on them for the gift of the Holy Spirit.

5-Tithes and offerings are used by local members to promote the teachings of Mr. Herbert Armstrong as God call’s them to do so. No tithes or offerings are required to be given to this ministry directly [Church of God ~ Speaking to the Remnant].

6-Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong is understood to be the only last living authoritative apostle of this ministry. Jesus Christ is the only living head of this ministry. COGSR sees itself as the only ministry that truly holds to the truth as taught in the original Worldwide Church of God.

7-The book “Mystery of the Ages” is required reading by all members and is used as the central study text next to the Bible. Members may put together their own study materials that can be used in their home church. If you have nobody to fellowship with you may still keep the Sabbath and follow the rules as listed in this document.

8-Members should contact Mr. E.W.King and let them know how their local home churches are doing. All home churches are to encourage one another and help when and where they can.

9-There are no other obligations. Members who start their home churches receive membership status and official certificates of membership. Members are encouraged to write articles that can be shared amongst fellow members. Speaker elders may also record their messages to be used in the church.

Restored Church of God Receives Partial Approval To Build Monument to Dave Pack

Davie Pack has received partial approval to build his monument to himself in the middle of Ohio. The Post has an article describing what Pack wants to build and the city ordinances he has to pass. Perhaps people can write in and let the City Planning Commission know what kind of cult is in their midst.  You have until February 13th to let them know the monstrosity in their midst. Entire article is here: Church planning campus, world headquarters Commission approves plat, tables site plan approval

"I'd recommend that the commission grant the variances to subdivision regulations for the sidewalks on the south side of Ambassador Drive and also allow the right of way width of Ambassador Drive to taper from 80 feet to 60 feet and also to allow the roadway to taper down to 28 feet. And I think at the point that the right of way and street width begins to narrow is best determined with the city engineer ... and then I'd recommend that the commission approve the preliminary plat that would extend Ambassador Drive and split city lot 9679 into two lots subject to the three conditions listed in the staff report," Kaiser said.

Members of the planning commission then unanimously voted to approve the preliminary plat and grant the requested variances.

Moving onto the site plan, Kaiser presented the submitted plans for developing the complex, which will consist of six buildings. As envisioned, the church would like to construct a 34,000 square -foot administration building, an auditorium with seating for up to 450 people, a 7,200 square-foot office building and training facility, a 5,400 square-foot mail processing center and two dormitories, each with accommodations for 20 people.

"It does appear that all of the usages comply with intent of the C5 district, which is really to provide space for office buildings for business, industry and nonprofit organizations and engage primarily in general office uses and professional services. I'd also point out that churches are conditionally permitted in C5 districts," Kaiser said.
Kaiser said that the development does meet zoning code setback requirements. The commission also reviewed the planned parking facilities, as well as future sites that could be used to expand parking facilities if necessary.
Following the initial site plan presentation, Kaiser said that the applicant is working on completing a traffic study analysis, which could possibly show a need for improvements to Akron Road. In addition, the applicant has been asked to submit a photometric plan and a revised architectural plan indicating the height of several of the complex buildings, including the auditorium. Finally, some additional clarifications regarding the site plan were requested by the city engineer, the fire department and the electric department.

"There are some issues that need to be addressed before approval. I'd recommend that the commission table any action on the site plan approval until the next meeting in order to allow the applicant time to address any questions ... we would also have access to the traffic study results at that time," Kaiser said.
Commissioners, after speaking with the project engineer and Scott Clark, a representative from the Restored Church of God, voted to table action on the site plan review until the commission's next meeting, which is scheduled for Feb. 13 at 7 p.m.

One thing we do learn is that that Dave's Mini-Me group has close to 125 people who attend on Saturdays.  Obviously this has to be the largest congregation because it is the cult HQ.  That means all of the rest of  RCG's churches are less than 100.  Most likely less than 50.  It is no wonder that his little cult has no more than 2,200 people in it!  Even Six Pack Flurry has more members than Pack!

Local Saturday worship services, which are held between 2 and 3 p.m. depending on the season, attract about 125 people. Services are not open to the public, Clark said.